Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 What is your pulse rate? Increasing too slowly causing the thyroid to cut back it's production and reducing your overall hormone availability would not increase heart rate.... If you're adrenals are week and the T3 conversion is now up.. that can cause the adrenals to act up.. attempting to get things kick started to keep up with the new found T3.... So... how is your pulse rate, temp and respiration? I know you've been having a lot of problems with this, ... we're going to have to pick things apart to find out just what is causing your body to be so 'uppity' and not accept the replacement.. Topper () On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:44:56 -0000 "" writes: Ok...here goes. I started on 25mcgs of S around the 9th of Nov. THe doc wants me to go slowly as do I because I could not tolerate Armour. So I have been tolerating the S ok until last evening when I start mildly hyperventilating and feeling anxious. I still feel that way today so far. My heart is slightly pounding (can take my pulse just be listening and not touching my wrist). So...does this mean that the T3 is now kicking in and that is why I am feeling this way, or is it time for me to up my med? I have read that you can make a mistake by going up to slow until you reach your opt dose as your thyroid cuts back its own production. That may or not be true or I may have interpreted it wrong. Any help would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 Thanks , My pulse is about 92 now. The hyperventilation is like the occasional deep sighing, it is somewhat uncomfortable from an anxiety perspective. My sleep is still screwed up and will be going the sleep clinic. ALL of my adrenals are in good shape or higher than normal my DHEA is that of a 35 year old (I am 54). My inclination is to increase the S and see if that does anything. I plan to go from the 25 to about 35 tomorrow. My temps in the afternoon run about 98.0 as they have my whole life. In the morning about 97.5 till about 10am. > What is your pulse rate? > > Increasing too slowly causing the thyroid to cut back it's production and > reducing your overall hormone availability would not increase heart > rate.... > > If you're adrenals are week and the T3 conversion is now up.. that can > cause the adrenals to act up.. attempting to get things kick started to > keep up with the new found T3.... > > So... how is your pulse rate, temp and respiration? > > I know you've been having a lot of problems with this, ... we're > going to have to pick things apart to find out just what is causing your > body to be so 'uppity' and not accept the replacement.. > > Topper () > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:44:56 -0000 " " <garyland@y...> writes: > > Ok...here goes. I started on 25mcgs of S around the 9th of Nov. THe > doc wants me to go slowly as do I because I could not tolerate > Armour. So I have been tolerating the S ok until last evening when I > start mildly hyperventilating and feeling anxious. I still feel that > way today so far. My heart is slightly pounding (can take my pulse > just be listening and not touching my wrist). So...does this mean > that the T3 is now kicking in and that is why I am feeling this way, > or is it time for me to up my med? I have read that you can make a > mistake by going up to slow until you reach your opt dose as your > thyroid cuts back its own production. That may or not be true or I > may have interpreted it wrong. Any help would be appreciated. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 Thanks , My pulse is about 92 now. The hyperventilation is like the occasional deep sighing, it is somewhat uncomfortable from an anxiety perspective. My sleep is still screwed up and will be going the sleep clinic. ALL of my adrenals are in good shape or higher than normal my DHEA is that of a 35 year old (I am 54). My inclination is to increase the S and see if that does anything. I plan to go from the 25 to about 35 tomorrow. My temps in the afternoon run about 98.0 as they have my whole life. In the morning about 97.5 till about 10am. > What is your pulse rate? > > Increasing too slowly causing the thyroid to cut back it's production and > reducing your overall hormone availability would not increase heart > rate.... > > If you're adrenals are week and the T3 conversion is now up.. that can > cause the adrenals to act up.. attempting to get things kick started to > keep up with the new found T3.... > > So... how is your pulse rate, temp and respiration? > > I know you've been having a lot of problems with this, ... we're > going to have to pick things apart to find out just what is causing your > body to be so 'uppity' and not accept the replacement.. > > Topper () > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:44:56 -0000 " " <garyland@y...> writes: > > Ok...here goes. I started on 25mcgs of S around the 9th of Nov. THe > doc wants me to go slowly as do I because I could not tolerate > Armour. So I have been tolerating the S ok until last evening when I > start mildly hyperventilating and feeling anxious. I still feel that > way today so far. My heart is slightly pounding (can take my pulse > just be listening and not touching my wrist). So...does this mean > that the T3 is now kicking in and that is why I am feeling this way, > or is it time for me to up my med? I have read that you can make a > mistake by going up to slow until you reach your opt dose as your > thyroid cuts back its own production. That may or not be true or I > may have interpreted it wrong. Any help would be appreciated. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 Thanks , My pulse is about 92 now. The hyperventilation is like the occasional deep sighing, it is somewhat uncomfortable from an anxiety perspective. My sleep is still screwed up and will be going the sleep clinic. ALL of my adrenals are in good shape or higher than normal my DHEA is that of a 35 year old (I am 54). My inclination is to increase the S and see if that does anything. I plan to go from the 25 to about 35 tomorrow. My temps in the afternoon run about 98.0 as they have my whole life. In the morning about 97.5 till about 10am. > What is your pulse rate? > > Increasing too slowly causing the thyroid to cut back it's production and > reducing your overall hormone availability would not increase heart > rate.... > > If you're adrenals are week and the T3 conversion is now up.. that can > cause the adrenals to act up.. attempting to get things kick started to > keep up with the new found T3.... > > So... how is your pulse rate, temp and respiration? > > I know you've been having a lot of problems with this, ... we're > going to have to pick things apart to find out just what is causing your > body to be so 'uppity' and not accept the replacement.. > > Topper () > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:44:56 -0000 " " <garyland@y...> writes: > > Ok...here goes. I started on 25mcgs of S around the 9th of Nov. THe > doc wants me to go slowly as do I because I could not tolerate > Armour. So I have been tolerating the S ok until last evening when I > start mildly hyperventilating and feeling anxious. I still feel that > way today so far. My heart is slightly pounding (can take my pulse > just be listening and not touching my wrist). So...does this mean > that the T3 is now kicking in and that is why I am feeling this way, > or is it time for me to up my med? I have read that you can make a > mistake by going up to slow until you reach your opt dose as your > thyroid cuts back its own production. That may or not be true or I > may have interpreted it wrong. Any help would be appreciated. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 You're pulse is a bit higher than average.. but nothing to be in the least concerned with... I do know that my body will do a short 'surge' thing for a few days to a week after a dosage increase.. temp comes up a bit, pulse rate goes up a bit... then it backs off a bit... leaving both pulse and temp just a bit higher than before the increase. ... a suggestion... stay were you are for another week... see how your body reacts... my theory suggests that it well settle a bit as it adjusts.. then it will be time to do a slight increase. My thought is, that since you are so very sensitive to adjustments, that taking things a bit easy and allowing your body to adjust to things at it's own pace will give you a better result sooner than if you were to increase too soon and cuase a hyper state and have to back off completely again... Just a suggestion... you are far more aware of how you are feeling then I am..... If you'll like to bounce stuff back and forth, though, I can be your sounding board.... Topper () On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:13:50 -0000 "" writes: Thanks ,My pulse is about 92 now. The hyperventilation is like the occasional deep sighing, it is somewhat uncomfortable from an anxiety perspective. My sleep is still screwed up and will be going the sleep clinic. ALL of my adrenals are in good shape or higher than normal my DHEA is that of a 35 year old (I am 54). My inclination is to increase the S and see if that does anything. I plan to go from the 25 to about 35 tomorrow. My temps in the afternoon run about 98.0 as they have my whole life. In the morning about 97.5 till about 10am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 , I have been on my original starting dose of 25mcgs for about 3 weeks now. That is why I was thinking of going up just a tad. Going to 35mcgs a day from 25 is a small jump isn't it? Also, the doc told me to split my dose to a morn/night schedule. If I take all of the S in the morning it wouldn't matter would it? > You're pulse is a bit higher than average.. but nothing to be in the > least concerned with... I do know that my body will do a short 'surge' > thing for a few days to a week after a dosage increase.. temp comes up a > bit, pulse rate goes up a bit... then it backs off a bit... leaving both > pulse and temp just a bit higher than before the increase. > > ... a suggestion... stay were you are for another week... see how > your body reacts... my theory suggests that it well settle a bit as it > adjusts.. then it will be time to do a slight increase. > > My thought is, that since you are so very sensitive to adjustments, that > taking things a bit easy and allowing your body to adjust to things at > it's own pace will give you a better result sooner than if you were to > increase too soon and cuase a hyper state and have to back off completely > again... > > Just a suggestion... you are far more aware of how you are feeling then I > am..... > > If you'll like to bounce stuff back and forth, though, I can be your > sounding board.... > > Topper () > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:13:50 -0000 " " <garyland@y...> writes: > > Thanks , > > My pulse is about 92 now. The hyperventilation is like the occasional > deep sighing, it is somewhat uncomfortable from an anxiety > perspective. My sleep is still screwed up and will be going the sleep > clinic. ALL of my adrenals are in good shape or higher than normal my > DHEA is that of a 35 year old (I am 54). My inclination is to > increase the S and see if that does anything. I plan to go from the > 25 to about 35 tomorrow. My temps in the afternoon run about 98.0 as > they have my whole life. In the morning about 97.5 till about 10am. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 , I have been on my original starting dose of 25mcgs for about 3 weeks now. That is why I was thinking of going up just a tad. Going to 35mcgs a day from 25 is a small jump isn't it? Also, the doc told me to split my dose to a morn/night schedule. If I take all of the S in the morning it wouldn't matter would it? > You're pulse is a bit higher than average.. but nothing to be in the > least concerned with... I do know that my body will do a short 'surge' > thing for a few days to a week after a dosage increase.. temp comes up a > bit, pulse rate goes up a bit... then it backs off a bit... leaving both > pulse and temp just a bit higher than before the increase. > > ... a suggestion... stay were you are for another week... see how > your body reacts... my theory suggests that it well settle a bit as it > adjusts.. then it will be time to do a slight increase. > > My thought is, that since you are so very sensitive to adjustments, that > taking things a bit easy and allowing your body to adjust to things at > it's own pace will give you a better result sooner than if you were to > increase too soon and cuase a hyper state and have to back off completely > again... > > Just a suggestion... you are far more aware of how you are feeling then I > am..... > > If you'll like to bounce stuff back and forth, though, I can be your > sounding board.... > > Topper () > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:13:50 -0000 " " <garyland@y...> writes: > > Thanks , > > My pulse is about 92 now. The hyperventilation is like the occasional > deep sighing, it is somewhat uncomfortable from an anxiety > perspective. My sleep is still screwed up and will be going the sleep > clinic. ALL of my adrenals are in good shape or higher than normal my > DHEA is that of a 35 year old (I am 54). My inclination is to > increase the S and see if that does anything. I plan to go from the > 25 to about 35 tomorrow. My temps in the afternoon run about 98.0 as > they have my whole life. In the morning about 97.5 till about 10am. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 , I have been on my original starting dose of 25mcgs for about 3 weeks now. That is why I was thinking of going up just a tad. Going to 35mcgs a day from 25 is a small jump isn't it? Also, the doc told me to split my dose to a morn/night schedule. If I take all of the S in the morning it wouldn't matter would it? > You're pulse is a bit higher than average.. but nothing to be in the > least concerned with... I do know that my body will do a short 'surge' > thing for a few days to a week after a dosage increase.. temp comes up a > bit, pulse rate goes up a bit... then it backs off a bit... leaving both > pulse and temp just a bit higher than before the increase. > > ... a suggestion... stay were you are for another week... see how > your body reacts... my theory suggests that it well settle a bit as it > adjusts.. then it will be time to do a slight increase. > > My thought is, that since you are so very sensitive to adjustments, that > taking things a bit easy and allowing your body to adjust to things at > it's own pace will give you a better result sooner than if you were to > increase too soon and cuase a hyper state and have to back off completely > again... > > Just a suggestion... you are far more aware of how you are feeling then I > am..... > > If you'll like to bounce stuff back and forth, though, I can be your > sounding board.... > > Topper () > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:13:50 -0000 " " <garyland@y...> writes: > > Thanks , > > My pulse is about 92 now. The hyperventilation is like the occasional > deep sighing, it is somewhat uncomfortable from an anxiety > perspective. My sleep is still screwed up and will be going the sleep > clinic. ALL of my adrenals are in good shape or higher than normal my > DHEA is that of a 35 year old (I am 54). My inclination is to > increase the S and see if that does anything. I plan to go from the > 25 to about 35 tomorrow. My temps in the afternoon run about 98.0 as > they have my whole life. In the morning about 97.5 till about 10am. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 Hi , This may sound weird based on my preference to treat based upon how a person feels....However, I have a question.... Have you had your Free T3 hormone checked? If you haven't I would get that checked before I would suggest increasing your dosage...mainly because of the way that your body is responding to meds in general. Have you had an Thyroid anti-bodies check done? Just a thought...Speaking from someone who keeps yawning today trying to get a deep breath... Gossimer > > What is your pulse rate? > > > > Increasing too slowly causing the thyroid to cut back it's > production and > > reducing your overall hormone availability would not increase heart > > rate.... > > > > If you're adrenals are week and the T3 conversion is now up.. that > can > > cause the adrenals to act up.. attempting to get things kick > started to > > keep up with the new found T3.... > > > > So... how is your pulse rate, temp and respiration? > > > > I know you've been having a lot of problems with this, ... we're > > going to have to pick things apart to find out just what is causing > your > > body to be so 'uppity' and not accept the replacement.. > > > > Topper () > > > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:44:56 -0000 " " <garyland@y...> writes: > > > > Ok...here goes. I started on 25mcgs of S around the 9th of Nov. THe > > doc wants me to go slowly as do I because I could not tolerate > > Armour. So I have been tolerating the S ok until last evening when > I > > start mildly hyperventilating and feeling anxious. I still feel > that > > way today so far. My heart is slightly pounding (can take my pulse > > just be listening and not touching my wrist). So...does this mean > > that the T3 is now kicking in and that is why I am feeling this > way, > > or is it time for me to up my med? I have read that you can make a > > mistake by going up to slow until you reach your opt dose as your > > thyroid cuts back its own production. That may or not be true or I > > may have interpreted it wrong. Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 Hi , This may sound weird based on my preference to treat based upon how a person feels....However, I have a question.... Have you had your Free T3 hormone checked? If you haven't I would get that checked before I would suggest increasing your dosage...mainly because of the way that your body is responding to meds in general. Have you had an Thyroid anti-bodies check done? Just a thought...Speaking from someone who keeps yawning today trying to get a deep breath... Gossimer > > What is your pulse rate? > > > > Increasing too slowly causing the thyroid to cut back it's > production and > > reducing your overall hormone availability would not increase heart > > rate.... > > > > If you're adrenals are week and the T3 conversion is now up.. that > can > > cause the adrenals to act up.. attempting to get things kick > started to > > keep up with the new found T3.... > > > > So... how is your pulse rate, temp and respiration? > > > > I know you've been having a lot of problems with this, ... we're > > going to have to pick things apart to find out just what is causing > your > > body to be so 'uppity' and not accept the replacement.. > > > > Topper () > > > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:44:56 -0000 " " <garyland@y...> writes: > > > > Ok...here goes. I started on 25mcgs of S around the 9th of Nov. THe > > doc wants me to go slowly as do I because I could not tolerate > > Armour. So I have been tolerating the S ok until last evening when > I > > start mildly hyperventilating and feeling anxious. I still feel > that > > way today so far. My heart is slightly pounding (can take my pulse > > just be listening and not touching my wrist). So...does this mean > > that the T3 is now kicking in and that is why I am feeling this > way, > > or is it time for me to up my med? I have read that you can make a > > mistake by going up to slow until you reach your opt dose as your > > thyroid cuts back its own production. That may or not be true or I > > may have interpreted it wrong. Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 Hi , This may sound weird based on my preference to treat based upon how a person feels....However, I have a question.... Have you had your Free T3 hormone checked? If you haven't I would get that checked before I would suggest increasing your dosage...mainly because of the way that your body is responding to meds in general. Have you had an Thyroid anti-bodies check done? Just a thought...Speaking from someone who keeps yawning today trying to get a deep breath... Gossimer > > What is your pulse rate? > > > > Increasing too slowly causing the thyroid to cut back it's > production and > > reducing your overall hormone availability would not increase heart > > rate.... > > > > If you're adrenals are week and the T3 conversion is now up.. that > can > > cause the adrenals to act up.. attempting to get things kick > started to > > keep up with the new found T3.... > > > > So... how is your pulse rate, temp and respiration? > > > > I know you've been having a lot of problems with this, ... we're > > going to have to pick things apart to find out just what is causing > your > > body to be so 'uppity' and not accept the replacement.. > > > > Topper () > > > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:44:56 -0000 " " <garyland@y...> writes: > > > > Ok...here goes. I started on 25mcgs of S around the 9th of Nov. THe > > doc wants me to go slowly as do I because I could not tolerate > > Armour. So I have been tolerating the S ok until last evening when > I > > start mildly hyperventilating and feeling anxious. I still feel > that > > way today so far. My heart is slightly pounding (can take my pulse > > just be listening and not touching my wrist). So...does this mean > > that the T3 is now kicking in and that is why I am feeling this > way, > > or is it time for me to up my med? I have read that you can make a > > mistake by going up to slow until you reach your opt dose as your > > thyroid cuts back its own production. That may or not be true or I > > may have interpreted it wrong. Any help would be appreciated. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 Hi , Yes, splitting the single dose into two might just make it easier for your system to handle the Synthyroid. Just make sure that you follow the directions that come with your prescription as for the timing of food and Synthyroid...ie: in the morning 1 hour before food (this includes coffee, tea or soda). In the evening take it at least 3 hours after you eat. YOu can drink water in this time period, just nothing with any calories or food value in these 3-4 hours. Gossimer (Sorry, I know that I am not , but I hope you don't mind my two bits) > > You're pulse is a bit higher than average.. but nothing to be in the > > least concerned with... I do know that my body will do a > short 'surge' > > thing for a few days to a week after a dosage increase.. temp comes > up a > > bit, pulse rate goes up a bit... then it backs off a bit... leaving > both > > pulse and temp just a bit higher than before the increase. > > > > ... a suggestion... stay were you are for another week... see > how > > your body reacts... my theory suggests that it well settle a bit as > it > > adjusts.. then it will be time to do a slight increase. > > > > My thought is, that since you are so very sensitive to adjustments, > that > > taking things a bit easy and allowing your body to adjust to things > at > > it's own pace will give you a better result sooner than if you were > to > > increase too soon and cuase a hyper state and have to back off > completely > > again... > > > > Just a suggestion... you are far more aware of how you are feeling > then I > > am..... > > > > If you'll like to bounce stuff back and forth, though, I can be your > > sounding board.... > > > > Topper () > > > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:13:50 -0000 " " <garyland@y...> writes: > > > > Thanks , > > > > My pulse is about 92 now. The hyperventilation is like the > occasional > > deep sighing, it is somewhat uncomfortable from an anxiety > > perspective. My sleep is still screwed up and will be going the > sleep > > clinic. ALL of my adrenals are in good shape or higher than normal > my > > DHEA is that of a 35 year old (I am 54). My inclination is to > > increase the S and see if that does anything. I plan to go from the > > 25 to about 35 tomorrow. My temps in the afternoon run about 98.0 > as > > they have my whole life. In the morning about 97.5 till about 10am. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 I just want to chime in a little. From my own experience, if such a thing happened to me, I would right away think adrenal. Having good DHEA is not neccessarily a clear indication that the adrenals are doing great and the cortisol tests are so broad that you can be in the normal range with adrenal fatigue. They are designed to find total failure of the adrenals and so are pretty inclusive. When you are having one of these attacks there are a couple of simple tests you can do to see if it is adrenal. One is to lie down and take your blood pressure. Then stand up and retake it. If it drops when you stand, then there is not enough cortisol in the system. The other test is to shine a bright light in your eyes and watch your pupils. They should close down with the bright light and stay closed down. If up to a minute of this, they open up or sort of flutter in their attempt to stay closed, then there is not enough adrenal output. If adrenal is low, you will get symptoms of thyroid overdose. Something about your message made me wonder if you are not dealing in part with an allergy of some type. If for instance, if you had celiac disease or some other digestive system problem, it can play hovac with the adrenal system and the nutrition needed to use thyroid. Any digestive disturbance requires huge amounts of cortisol and often leads to mineral disturbances in the blood and tissues. There is a strong correlation between digestive system problems and thyroid disease. The body reabsorbs huge amounts of thyroid from the digestive system (1000mcg a day). So, if there is a problem there, it can be a major burden to the thryoid and adrenals. It can make the body too hampered to use thyroid properly. Then it will stay in the blood. Might explain the high cortisol. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 I just want to chime in a little. From my own experience, if such a thing happened to me, I would right away think adrenal. Having good DHEA is not neccessarily a clear indication that the adrenals are doing great and the cortisol tests are so broad that you can be in the normal range with adrenal fatigue. They are designed to find total failure of the adrenals and so are pretty inclusive. When you are having one of these attacks there are a couple of simple tests you can do to see if it is adrenal. One is to lie down and take your blood pressure. Then stand up and retake it. If it drops when you stand, then there is not enough cortisol in the system. The other test is to shine a bright light in your eyes and watch your pupils. They should close down with the bright light and stay closed down. If up to a minute of this, they open up or sort of flutter in their attempt to stay closed, then there is not enough adrenal output. If adrenal is low, you will get symptoms of thyroid overdose. Something about your message made me wonder if you are not dealing in part with an allergy of some type. If for instance, if you had celiac disease or some other digestive system problem, it can play hovac with the adrenal system and the nutrition needed to use thyroid. Any digestive disturbance requires huge amounts of cortisol and often leads to mineral disturbances in the blood and tissues. There is a strong correlation between digestive system problems and thyroid disease. The body reabsorbs huge amounts of thyroid from the digestive system (1000mcg a day). So, if there is a problem there, it can be a major burden to the thryoid and adrenals. It can make the body too hampered to use thyroid properly. Then it will stay in the blood. Might explain the high cortisol. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 I just want to chime in a little. From my own experience, if such a thing happened to me, I would right away think adrenal. Having good DHEA is not neccessarily a clear indication that the adrenals are doing great and the cortisol tests are so broad that you can be in the normal range with adrenal fatigue. They are designed to find total failure of the adrenals and so are pretty inclusive. When you are having one of these attacks there are a couple of simple tests you can do to see if it is adrenal. One is to lie down and take your blood pressure. Then stand up and retake it. If it drops when you stand, then there is not enough cortisol in the system. The other test is to shine a bright light in your eyes and watch your pupils. They should close down with the bright light and stay closed down. If up to a minute of this, they open up or sort of flutter in their attempt to stay closed, then there is not enough adrenal output. If adrenal is low, you will get symptoms of thyroid overdose. Something about your message made me wonder if you are not dealing in part with an allergy of some type. If for instance, if you had celiac disease or some other digestive system problem, it can play hovac with the adrenal system and the nutrition needed to use thyroid. Any digestive disturbance requires huge amounts of cortisol and often leads to mineral disturbances in the blood and tissues. There is a strong correlation between digestive system problems and thyroid disease. The body reabsorbs huge amounts of thyroid from the digestive system (1000mcg a day). So, if there is a problem there, it can be a major burden to the thryoid and adrenals. It can make the body too hampered to use thyroid properly. Then it will stay in the blood. Might explain the high cortisol. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 .. Keeping in mind that it takes 4 to 6 weeks for your body to get the full effect of the T4 in your system... I'd venture to say it's too soon to increase yet. Increasing now could put you in a position a few weeks, as the conversion of T4 to T3 increases, where you're going to be having problems again. Not to be discouraging... but after my RAI it took two years of messing around to get my S up to 200 mcg. I just couldn't take it... at one point I was splitting my dose into thirds and eating with food (which I now know greatly reduced the available hormone) and that was the only way I could do it without becoming ill. Things to remember: Synthroid is synthetic T4 only medication. For our bodies to be able to make use of it we need to swallow it on an empty stomach to make sure that there is enough stomach acid to be able to pull the sodium molecule off the T4 molecule. Sodium was added during the manufacturing process to allow this synthetic product to be patentable. T4 is the thyroid storage hormone. T3 is the active thyroid hormone. T4 is converted to T3 hormone at the cellular level by using available energy (which is why we need regular meals) and selenium to remove an iodine molecule from the T4 molecule, leaving a T3 molecule... which is what our bodies use. It takes 4 to 6 weeks at a given dose of replacement hormone for the body to become saturated at that level with T4 and the full effects of conversion at that rate to be fully realized. T3 has a very short half live and when taken in tablet form (as a synthetic or in natural thyroid such as Armour) and is 95% used in about 4 hours. Good converters are able to tolerate just one or two doses of T3 containing meds per day... poor converters require many more... splitting their doses and taking them every few hours. Poor converters do very poorly on T4 only synthetics and will find they feel much better by adding T3, either by adding Cytomel to their synthetic T4 or switching to natural thyroid, such as Armour. There are also combo synthetics like Thyrolar. Weak or fatigued adrenals reduce the body's ability to convert and to utilize thyroid hormone. Adrenals are stressed and fatigued when thyroid hormones are low for long periods of time. .... that's all that is pouring out of my brain right now.... I know much of that is probably review for you.. but sometimes we have to review the basics to make them clearer in our minds when we are struggling to find answers. Topper () On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:01:29 -0000 "" writes: ,I have been on my original starting dose of 25mcgs for about 3 weeks now. That is why I was thinking of going up just a tad. Going to 35mcgs a day from 25 is a small jump isn't it? Also, the doc told me to split my dose to a morn/night schedule. If I take all of the S in the morning it wouldn't matter would it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 .. Keeping in mind that it takes 4 to 6 weeks for your body to get the full effect of the T4 in your system... I'd venture to say it's too soon to increase yet. Increasing now could put you in a position a few weeks, as the conversion of T4 to T3 increases, where you're going to be having problems again. Not to be discouraging... but after my RAI it took two years of messing around to get my S up to 200 mcg. I just couldn't take it... at one point I was splitting my dose into thirds and eating with food (which I now know greatly reduced the available hormone) and that was the only way I could do it without becoming ill. Things to remember: Synthroid is synthetic T4 only medication. For our bodies to be able to make use of it we need to swallow it on an empty stomach to make sure that there is enough stomach acid to be able to pull the sodium molecule off the T4 molecule. Sodium was added during the manufacturing process to allow this synthetic product to be patentable. T4 is the thyroid storage hormone. T3 is the active thyroid hormone. T4 is converted to T3 hormone at the cellular level by using available energy (which is why we need regular meals) and selenium to remove an iodine molecule from the T4 molecule, leaving a T3 molecule... which is what our bodies use. It takes 4 to 6 weeks at a given dose of replacement hormone for the body to become saturated at that level with T4 and the full effects of conversion at that rate to be fully realized. T3 has a very short half live and when taken in tablet form (as a synthetic or in natural thyroid such as Armour) and is 95% used in about 4 hours. Good converters are able to tolerate just one or two doses of T3 containing meds per day... poor converters require many more... splitting their doses and taking them every few hours. Poor converters do very poorly on T4 only synthetics and will find they feel much better by adding T3, either by adding Cytomel to their synthetic T4 or switching to natural thyroid, such as Armour. There are also combo synthetics like Thyrolar. Weak or fatigued adrenals reduce the body's ability to convert and to utilize thyroid hormone. Adrenals are stressed and fatigued when thyroid hormones are low for long periods of time. .... that's all that is pouring out of my brain right now.... I know much of that is probably review for you.. but sometimes we have to review the basics to make them clearer in our minds when we are struggling to find answers. Topper () On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:01:29 -0000 "" writes: ,I have been on my original starting dose of 25mcgs for about 3 weeks now. That is why I was thinking of going up just a tad. Going to 35mcgs a day from 25 is a small jump isn't it? Also, the doc told me to split my dose to a morn/night schedule. If I take all of the S in the morning it wouldn't matter would it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 .. Keeping in mind that it takes 4 to 6 weeks for your body to get the full effect of the T4 in your system... I'd venture to say it's too soon to increase yet. Increasing now could put you in a position a few weeks, as the conversion of T4 to T3 increases, where you're going to be having problems again. Not to be discouraging... but after my RAI it took two years of messing around to get my S up to 200 mcg. I just couldn't take it... at one point I was splitting my dose into thirds and eating with food (which I now know greatly reduced the available hormone) and that was the only way I could do it without becoming ill. Things to remember: Synthroid is synthetic T4 only medication. For our bodies to be able to make use of it we need to swallow it on an empty stomach to make sure that there is enough stomach acid to be able to pull the sodium molecule off the T4 molecule. Sodium was added during the manufacturing process to allow this synthetic product to be patentable. T4 is the thyroid storage hormone. T3 is the active thyroid hormone. T4 is converted to T3 hormone at the cellular level by using available energy (which is why we need regular meals) and selenium to remove an iodine molecule from the T4 molecule, leaving a T3 molecule... which is what our bodies use. It takes 4 to 6 weeks at a given dose of replacement hormone for the body to become saturated at that level with T4 and the full effects of conversion at that rate to be fully realized. T3 has a very short half live and when taken in tablet form (as a synthetic or in natural thyroid such as Armour) and is 95% used in about 4 hours. Good converters are able to tolerate just one or two doses of T3 containing meds per day... poor converters require many more... splitting their doses and taking them every few hours. Poor converters do very poorly on T4 only synthetics and will find they feel much better by adding T3, either by adding Cytomel to their synthetic T4 or switching to natural thyroid, such as Armour. There are also combo synthetics like Thyrolar. Weak or fatigued adrenals reduce the body's ability to convert and to utilize thyroid hormone. Adrenals are stressed and fatigued when thyroid hormones are low for long periods of time. .... that's all that is pouring out of my brain right now.... I know much of that is probably review for you.. but sometimes we have to review the basics to make them clearer in our minds when we are struggling to find answers. Topper () On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:01:29 -0000 "" writes: ,I have been on my original starting dose of 25mcgs for about 3 weeks now. That is why I was thinking of going up just a tad. Going to 35mcgs a day from 25 is a small jump isn't it? Also, the doc told me to split my dose to a morn/night schedule. If I take all of the S in the morning it wouldn't matter would it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 Good suggestions Gossimer... you can jump in for me anytime! *shy smile* Topper () On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:18:38 -0000 "gossimerwingz" writes: Hi ,Yes, splitting the single dose into two might just make it easier for your system to handle the Synthyroid. Just make sure that you follow the directions that come with your prescription as for the timing of food and Synthyroid...ie: in the morning 1 hour before food (this includes coffee, tea or soda).In the evening take it at least 3 hours after you eat. YOu can drink water in this time period, just nothing with any calories or food value in these 3-4 hours.Gossimer(Sorry, I know that I am not , but I hope you don't mind my two bits) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 You're gonna have to explain this one to me... how does 1000 mcg of which hormone end up in the digestive system? Topper () On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:49:54 -0000 "lkwetter" writes: < snip > The body reabsorbs huge amounts of thyroid from the digestive system (1000mcg a day). < snip > Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 You're gonna have to explain this one to me... how does 1000 mcg of which hormone end up in the digestive system? Topper () On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:49:54 -0000 "lkwetter" writes: < snip > The body reabsorbs huge amounts of thyroid from the digestive system (1000mcg a day). < snip > Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 You're gonna have to explain this one to me... how does 1000 mcg of which hormone end up in the digestive system? Topper () On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:49:54 -0000 "lkwetter" writes: < snip > The body reabsorbs huge amounts of thyroid from the digestive system (1000mcg a day). < snip > Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 Tish, Gossimer and , Thanks for the advice. First of all I am have about a 7 out of 10 anxiety attack now with brain fog. It started yesterday late afternoon. My T3 measured in the lower half of normal but close to the middle before starting Syn. I tried the adrenal tests and all is normal. I have not been sleeping well for quite a while. To bed at 10 up at 3 wide awake and a million wake ups from 3 to about 6am. So I am on Syn now for about 2 1/2 weeks at 25mcgs. I paged the doc but so far no call. > > I just want to chime in a little. From my own experience, if such a > thing happened to me, I would right away think adrenal. Having good > DHEA is not neccessarily a clear indication that the adrenals are > doing great and the cortisol tests are so broad that you can be in > the normal range with adrenal fatigue. They are designed to find > total failure of the adrenals and so are pretty inclusive. > > When you are having one of these attacks there are a couple of > simple tests you can do to see if it is adrenal. One is to lie down > and take your blood pressure. Then stand up and retake it. If it > drops when you stand, then there is not enough cortisol in the > system. The other test is to shine a bright light in your eyes and > watch your pupils. They should close down with the bright light and > stay closed down. If up to a minute of this, they open up or sort of > flutter in their attempt to stay closed, then there is not enough > adrenal output. > > If adrenal is low, you will get symptoms of thyroid overdose. > > Something about your message made me wonder if you are not dealing > in part with an allergy of some type. If for instance, if you had > celiac disease or some other digestive system problem, it can play > hovac with the adrenal system and the nutrition needed to use > thyroid. Any digestive disturbance requires huge amounts of cortisol > and often leads to mineral disturbances in the blood and tissues. > There is a strong correlation between digestive system problems and > thyroid disease. The body reabsorbs huge amounts of thyroid from the > digestive system (1000mcg a day). So, if there is a problem there, > it can be a major burden to the thryoid and adrenals. It can make > the body too hampered to use thyroid properly. Then it will stay in > the blood. Might explain the high cortisol. > > Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 That type of sleep pattern suggests an adrenal surge during the night.... Topper () On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:32:45 -0000 "" writes: Tish, Gossimer and ,Thanks for the advice. First of all I am have about a 7 out of 10 anxiety attack now with brain fog. It started yesterday late afternoon. My T3 measured in the lower half of normal but close to the middle before starting Syn. I tried the adrenal tests and all is normal. I have not been sleeping well for quite a while. To bed at 10 up at 3 wide awake and a million wake ups from 3 to about 6am. So I am on Syn now for about 2 1/2 weeks at 25mcgs. I paged the doc but so far no call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 That type of sleep pattern suggests an adrenal surge during the night.... Topper () On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:32:45 -0000 "" writes: Tish, Gossimer and ,Thanks for the advice. First of all I am have about a 7 out of 10 anxiety attack now with brain fog. It started yesterday late afternoon. My T3 measured in the lower half of normal but close to the middle before starting Syn. I tried the adrenal tests and all is normal. I have not been sleeping well for quite a while. To bed at 10 up at 3 wide awake and a million wake ups from 3 to about 6am. So I am on Syn now for about 2 1/2 weeks at 25mcgs. I paged the doc but so far no call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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