Re: Losing Weight?

January 21, 2006

Deb wrote:

>I asked this in another group about losing weight but does anyone know

>where i can find a weight chart for us dwarfs i'm 4'1 130lbs(at the

>monment) i want to lose at least 15-20lbs but i was just wondering

>what is a good weight for us achon dwarfs

>

Text chart in English units:

http://jbadner.picturepage.net/htwt.html

Text chart in Metric units:

http://jbadner.picturepage.net/htwtmetric.html

Graphical charts in metric units:

http://www.geocities.com/iafrg_web/images/achon_charts.html

Judy

November 18, 2006

In a message dated 11/18/2006 10:13:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

penciloid@... writes:

If I want to make baked goods,

I use coconut flour and cut the amount of Rapadura in the recipe in half.

HI....Do you use honey? I have never used Rapadura and not sure what it is.

I also have just started baking my own bread so wondering if I should cut

back on that to start losing weight. I had lost 35 lbs on 1000 a day but due

to

losing my hair went back to more calories and added coconut oil...which

added weight to me....up about 8lbs...and so been worried about what to

do....Beth

November 18, 2006

I've lost 18 lbs in 3 months. (I should note that I'm nursing, as well, but

I had stopped losing weight from nursing until I changed my diet more). I am

now about 5 lbs below what I weighed before I got pregnant.

-grass fed beef, 1-2 servings per day

-cheese and coconut oil, as much as I want

-only cook with coconut oil (except for salad dressing)

I was doing the things above and I stopped losing weight until I cut way

down on grains. I went gluten free and stopped buying rice, which I was

eating too much of. (I still eat it when I'm a guest somewhere.) I buy

potatoes but use them much less than before. If I want to make baked goods,

I use coconut flour and cut the amount of Rapadura in the recipe in half.

Since I went to this low-grain eating plan, the weight has come off easily.

I'm not hungry and don't have the groggy feeling from eating too many carbs.

I have friends on Atkins and from what I can tell, the big difference

between the way they eat and the way I eat is they can't have carrots,

beans, fruit, or many veggies while I can. I think my plan is much easier to

stick with for life, gives more variety, and is probably healthier.

November 18, 2006

-

> At this moment, he'd probably be only open to doing " NT " things

> that are

> also low-carb so he can stay on Atkins. He's not afraid of fat on

> his plate,

> so that's in our favor.

Atkins (original Atkins, anyway, before he formed Atkins

Nutritionals) is really very NT-compatible, so I don't think you have

anything in particular to worry about. What's wrong with going low-

carb NT, after all?

-

November 18, 2006

> For the past almost 2 years I've been trying to do what I can to

> change over to NT. However, my husband is a fairly typical American.

> He just went back on the Atkins Diet to try to lose weight.

Low carb is fine for weight loss, and eating a traditional low carb

diet is also pretty naturally easy to follow.

One thing you haven't mentioned is his activity level. Exercise is

just an absolute must to having a fine physique. Diets by themselves

don't work and are not health promoting. Exercise is as important as

eating well, they go hand in hand. Numbers on the scale tell you

nothing about metabolism, lean body mass, etc. So why 30 lbs? Why

not plan on having him work towards getting into a certain pants size

or focus on inches lost and not pounds. Why? Muscle is about five

times as dense as fat so weight does not tell the story of fitness or

even size. (I hover between 135-140 lbs and wear a pretty loose size 6

because I am muscular). If hubby gained 15 lbs. of muscle by strength

training (which would admittedly take a very long time), he could eat

the same calories per day and burn about 750 extra calories a day just

by having the extra muscle mass. And he would feel and look better

too. So depending on where he is at in terms of muscle mass, he might

lose quite a bit by doing nothing more than moving more. A low carb

diet will only assist the process.

Oh, and let's dispel the " I won't have any energy to do any exercise "

myth right now. Yes, it takes some time to adapt to a low carb diet.

But then it is actually easier to workout than when on the high carb

roller coaster. I am in ketosis most days and am a martial artist

doing insanely intense workouts that require power, strength and

endurance about 4 days a week. So I think his choice of Atkins is

fine so long as he starts a progressive exercise program along with it.

And here endeth the sermon <g>.

Deanna

November 20, 2006

I am uneasy about switiching from so many of my low fat, low calorie foods to

the higher saturated fats, higher calorie foods because I am unsure if I should

continue to count fat, count sat fat, count calories? I want to maintain my

current weight but as I switch to all the NT foods and recipes I was just

wondering if the " recommended diet dictocrats rules " as far as fat and calorie

intake still applies?

Thanks so much

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November 21, 2006

Where were the majority of the calories you consumed coming from

before? Maybe you could just replace calorie sources, if that makes

sense. I'm no expert, never had the discipline to count calories -

can't even keep a food journal for more than a day or two.

Interestingly, if you go to www.westonaprice.org there's a link

where you can see pictures of some of the people who work there and

how many calories they eat and a typical day's list of foods. The

thinner ones claim they eat 3,000 to 4,000 calories a day, a lot of

it saturated fat. Do they just have lucky metabolism or are they on

to something???

--- In , <horse4146@...>

wrote:

>

> I am uneasy about switiching from so many of my low fat, low

calorie foods to the higher saturated fats, higher calorie foods

because I am unsure if I should continue to count fat, count sat

fat, count calories? I want to maintain my current weight but as I

switch to all the NT foods and recipes I was just wondering if

the " recommended diet dictocrats rules " as far as fat and calorie

intake still applies?

>

> Thanks so much

>

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November 21, 2006

In a message dated 11/21/2006 1:14:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

penciloid@... writes:

1000 calories per day seems way too low. I'm female and at 1700 calories per

day, I lose about 2 lbs/week. This was back when I wasn't eating well, even.

I don't think you can get enough nutrients from so few calories. What are

you eating? You must be hungry a lot.

Wow that is amazing you can eat that many calories and lose 2lbs a week! I

am not doing the 1000 calories a day....right now because I was reading on the

nt stuff and trying to change some stuff around...and added coconut oil so

that almost uses up the 1000 calories a day!!

Truthfully I was not that hungry after the first week or two....I didn't

lose as fast though and some weeks it was hard to lose 1 lb....I was doing

strength training though and that even didn't help with the weight loss but I

did

lose inches so that was nice...I have gained some back now that I have

increased my calories and really feel I gain on vco.....I do eat flax seed and

clo

every morning and that feels good.

I have not starting soaking my grains yet because I just dont truthfully

understand all that just yet.

I am going to keep a closer tab on my calories and maybe take in a few

more....and hopefully will be able to start losing again....right after

Thanksgiving!!! Thanks for your response....Beth in Idaho

November 21, 2006

Rapadura is a minimally processed sugar, so it still has the vitamins and

minerals in it.

I use maple syrup and Rapadura much more than honey because I don't like

honey nearly as much.

1000 calories per day seems way too low. I'm female and at 1700 calories per

day, I lose about 2 lbs/week. This was back when I wasn't eating well, even.

I don't think you can get enough nutrients from so few calories. What are

you eating? You must be hungry a lot.

November 21, 2006

There has been much debate about " is a calorie a calorie " on this list. I

haven't reached any conclusion, although one man I know is very thin and he

eats way, way more than the charts say he'd need to eat for his activity

level.

In the past, I'd count calories and lose weight, but I'd be hungry. Now, I

eat as much as I want and still lose weight. The difference is before I was

eating a lower-fat, high carb diet, and now I'm eating a lower carb, higher

protein, higher fat diet. I eat as much butter and cheese as I want but I

skip the rice, pasta, and bread. I have more energy and I'm not hungry.

I don't know if I'm eating more or less than before, I just know I feel and

look better.

November 21, 2006

Can you give the exact web address for this?

Thanks,

Becky

>From: " haecklers " <haecklers@...>

>

>Interestingly, if you go to www.westonaprice.org there's a link

>where you can see pictures of some of the people who work there and

>how many calories they eat and a typical day's list of foods. The

>thinner ones claim they eat 3,000 to 4,000 calories a day, a lot of

>it saturated fat. Do they just have lucky metabolism or are they on

>to something???

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November 21, 2006

I'd like to see the web address too. I recently returned from the

WAPF conference (which was awsome!) and what struck me was that the

vast majority of people there were trim and healthy looking. I've

been to other conventions where the participants were in the medical

fields, eating all the politically correct foods, and their was an

obvious higher rate of really obesse people at those conventions.

Just an observation, nothing scientific, but one that was hard not to

notice, as we went through so much butter, cream, and other " fatty "

foods, the kitchen was in shock! The food was all NT style, not

conventional fats, since it was shipped in special for the event. I

spoke to the head chef and he confirmed they never get to use these

types of ingredients. He also loved working with them, and was

looking forward to next year.

Jan

>

> Can you give the exact web address for this?

>

> Thanks,

> Becky

>

> >From: " haecklers " <haecklers@...>

>

> >

> >Interestingly, if you go to www.westonaprice.org there's a link

> >where you can see pictures of some of the people who work there and

> >how many calories they eat and a typical day's list of foods. The

> >thinner ones claim they eat 3,000 to 4,000 calories a day, a lot of

> >it saturated fat. Do they just have lucky metabolism or are they

on

> >to something???

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November 22, 2006

Did you ever think you may have thyroid issues? I read your other

reply below about eating and strength training and they did not

help.

You really should be eating more than your are. A person about 5'8

weighing 190 - has a resting metabolism of about 1600 calories.

This is what my body burns just being alive. Add in activity and i

am breastfeeding etc.... and i should be eating 3000 to maintain and

not gain. Like you i can eat 80% healthy NT style, walk a few miles

everyday up and around our little inclined neighborhood and go to the

gym for 1.5 hrs 2 x a week to weight train and not lose anything.

Not even look like i have lost anything and there will be barely any

change in my clothing. I know the drill muscle weighs more than fat

etc. The fitness trainer says i should only lose about 15 lbs of fat

anything more than that i would look odd because of my frame, my

muscle mass etc..... My daughter is 18 months old now and i have

lost 5-7 lbs since she was born and started NT and Coconut oil in my

last trimester.

I used to be on low calorie like you mentioned and rarely felt hungry

because my body adapted to my starvation type program. I had eaten

like this since i was a teen ager. A yr before baby I was eating

about 1200-1400 and working out daily between cardio and weights at

the gym 1.2 hrs. 5 days a week. 6 - 8 months later i lost about a

dress size. I wonder had i increased my cals thn if i would have had

better progress. Had baby a yr after that, and had to start all

over.

All spring and summer i was at my routine again - excercising, not

losing. Trainers say well typically it is eating garbage that causes

this. So of course they are surprised that is not the case with me.

I eat well i just don't eat enough. Your in food deprivation mode.

Your body won't give up anything until you eat more they say. I up

my calories to 2500 i still have my 500 cals a week deficit to help

lose weight. I only wind up losing that 5 -7 i mentioned above after

yet again 6-8 months of my routine and increase in eating. This time

more calorie intake than i had been. The calorie increase did not

make me gain nor did i start dropping easy either.

So all of that to say you do need more calories you are not even

eating enough to sustain your being alive. After my experience i

doubt you will start gaining actual fat from eating more. I think

your body is used to you depriving it of food at this point. You

need to slowly add more calorie. Eat snacks inbetween your meals.

Smaller meal size so you can get used to it etc. I was eating maybe

a snack and 1 meal a day during my low cal yrs (they were

untintentional too, i was never hungry and believed i should only eat

if i felt hungry - the less i eat the less i feel hungry. Never got

hungry until about 3-4pm. Had been doing this since my teen yrs.)

Now back to why i asked about the thyroid. I noticed was that when

you do try, like me a normal working body would have lost weight

etc... quicker/easier. It would not be so hard for others. Increase

cals and see if that helps, or not. You mentioned losing hair. Do

you know what caused this? How do you feel otherwise? I have had

many symptoms of hypothyroid for yrs and yrs. Started after my first

child and that is extremely typical for it to start after. I have

had them test my levels for yrs, always come back " with in range "

your infe nothing is wrong with them or you, You just need to

exercise. Which during those yrs exhausted me more. Well i started

doing research on it and talking to people on thryoid forums who

are " with in range " too or people who are DXed as being very hypo.

Well my symptoms and my ranges are just like theirs. But they have a

doctor who refuses to rule by labs and ranges and go by other things

like how you feel - symptoms and temps. I compared my labs to

theirs, to some of the books out there that are like NT, go against

the grain and this is how you help yourself. I am severely hypo

according to these things. And going by my family history, it could

very well run in my family. Had i never researched it myself asked

for my results and went online to study results i would not know that

is what is wrong. In my heart i always knew. But hey docs say i am

fine. I have struggled with so many symptoms for so many yrs i jsut

knew it had to be it. This is the only thing i have ever read list

of symptoms that i fit 99%. Usually it is maybe 5 and the other 20

not me at all.

Example of ranges ok my ferritin - (iron storage? can't remb exact as

in free iron bound iron not that informed yet) is at 35. The lab

ranges says anyone with ranges from 11-306.8 is normal and fine. But

yet all the thyroid stuff i am reading said that in order for you

thyroid to work properly (and other organs for that matter) you need

levels between 70-90 so by them i am very deficient. Anyone below

that 11 is considered anaemic and above that 306.8 has

hemchromatosis. So anyone in between is just fine?? You can be

right at that border of being anaemic and that is okay? How do they

come up with such ridiculous ranges! Our bodies work on optimal

levels. So even though most of my labwork came back showing i was " in

range " everything was so low it barely registered as " in range " . It

is the equivalent of me doing the indi 5 in a pinto while everyone

else has their race car. One of the old shool ways to check for this

was to take your temp in the morn and a healthy thyroid would be

about 98.6 even upon waking. Mine is only 96. 90% of the time when i

wake. Sometimes when i wake it is up to 97.3 - rarely.

Oh and to top it off i am reading how mineral and vitamin

deficiencies can add to it all and it can even cause some of the

problem. Like low Iodine. Wow, there is a ton of research out there

showing just how bad low iodine can be. Even cause the thyroid

issues in the first place. I don't get that much iodine in my diet

at all. There are plenty of sites especially with-in thyroid health

sites and groups that have tons of info on low Iodine.

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient & dbid=69

See where i am going with this? Low incertain minerals your body

can't even function properly - me i know i have less than optimal

iron and iodine levels, prob B 12 and slenium etc... That all of

this works hand in hand, typically if one thing in the endocrine

system is messed up than there is others that have been pulling the

weight for it and they are stressed now too. Left untreated it

causes a dominoe effect and the next organ is affected etc.... Until

your body including metabolism etc functions at far below optimal

levels and you can do exactly what the in shape trainer does and you

can gain or never lose a thing because your system is off and theirs

is not, or they could have their own issues with their system that

make them unable to gain a single lb. My husband is one of those.

if he does his body goes into over drive to bur nit off. He fits a

lot of the opposite in adrenal and hyper symptoms than my hypo -

adrenal. Maybe your struggle is because your body inside will only

go as fast as that pinto. Whether is deficiency in certain minerals

or a thyroid issue. Maybe that extremely low cal messed with

something.

I don't know your hsitory or if you have other symptoms besides

weight and hair loss. But they are 2 major signs. I would look into

it. I wish i was smarter then to look into it - 10 yrs ago. The

longer left untreated the worse it gets. It has only been since NT

that i have become more take charge of my health. Prior to that we

still ate pretty good compared to SAD. Bot not optimal. I think we

eat optimal now but now awesome total NT. I did not think doctors and

nutritionists were very ignorant then - boy do i now! Since NT it

has made me question everything i am told by them and research it

myself to find an answer. I did before when i knew i had something

or a friend had it - depression etc... But now i habve this i will

do it myself attitude. Also this last few yrs is the best i have

ever felt. Out of 3 kids this was the easiest time i have had,

before i was extremely exhausted, insomnia, etc.... my feet hurt, my

hips hurt, my back hurt... all signs of fibro which i believe was

just the hypo screaming at me. Since VCO i am so much better. I no

longer wake in pain all night, barely able to walk the next day,

etc.... Since NT and VCO majority of my hypo symptoms have gone away

or have went from extreme to there but tolerable not debilitating.

Sorry for being so long winded!

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com i read up here and the other sites

they refer to, like Dr. Rind great info there under the metabolic

link. I got all the labs they recommended to have done and then

posted my results ontheir forums on some of the forums and

compared them to the chart on Dr. Rinds site.

You can read articles online by Shomon at about.com too.

>

> In a message dated 11/18/2006 10:13:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> penciloid@... writes:

day but due to

> losing my hair went back to more calories and added coconut

oil...which

> added weight to me....up about 8lbs...and so been worried about

what to do....Beth

>

November 22, 2006

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/boarddiets.html

>

> Can you give the exact web address for this?

>

> Thanks,

> Becky

>

> >From: " haecklers " <haecklers@...>

>

> >

> >Interestingly, if you go to www.westonaprice.org there's a link

> >where you can see pictures of some of the people who work

there and

> >how many calories they eat and a typical day's list of foods.

The

> >thinner ones claim they eat 3,000 to 4,000 calories a day, a lot

of

> >it saturated fat. Do they just have lucky metabolism or are

they on

> >to something???

>

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November 22, 2006

Hi this is brisies,

I wanted to give my testimony to this diet. I do a fairly

low carb diet, and follow nourishing traditions to the T.

I almost do no exercise at all... and since my pregnancy

have lost about 30 lbs. I have never been fat. but i was

starting to get that way after the birth of my daughter

I started taking mannatech supplements and supporting my

Hormones with powerful medicine ( glyconutrtients )

SOme wieght started to come off me immediately after doing

this, along with the diet the wieght just kept falling off

and at this point i am about 110 lbs.

Now before you run for the hills and decide im way to skinny

my height is 5'2 " so it is fine. ALso i would like to concur

with Haeklers i eat alot of saturated fat..is it any coincedence

that the thinnest and best looking people eat the most fat

on that website no sir. No way.

Briseis

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>

> Where were the majority of the calories you consumed coming from

> before? Maybe you could just replace calorie sources, if that

makes

> sense. I'm no expert, never had the discipline to count calories -

> can't even keep a food journal for more than a day or two.

>

> Interestingly, if you go to www.westonaprice.org there's a link

> where you can see pictures of some of the people who work there and

> how many calories they eat and a typical day's list of foods. The

> thinner ones claim they eat 3,000 to 4,000 calories a day, a lot of

> it saturated fat. Do they just have lucky metabolism or are they

on

> to something???

>

> >

> > I am uneasy about switiching from so many of my low fat, low

> calorie foods to the higher saturated fats, higher calorie foods

> because I am unsure if I should continue to count fat, count sat

> fat, count calories? I want to maintain my current weight but as I

> switch to all the NT foods and recipes I was just wondering if

> the " recommended diet dictocrats rules " as far as fat and calorie

> intake still applies?

> >

> > Thanks so much

> >

> > ---------------------------------

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November 22, 2006

Much appreciated.

>From: " carolyn_graff " <zgraff@...>

>

>http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/boarddiets.html

>

> >

> > Can you give the exact web address for this?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Becky

> >

> > >From: " haecklers " <haecklers@...>

> >

> > >

> > >Interestingly, if you go to www.westonaprice.org there's a link

> > >where you can see pictures of some of the people who work

>there and

> > >how many calories they eat and a typical day's list of foods.

>The

> > >thinner ones claim they eat 3,000 to 4,000 calories a day, a lot

>of

> > >it saturated fat. Do they just have lucky metabolism or are

>they on

> > >to something???

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