Re: benefits of whole grains vs. eating low-carb or no-carb?

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Pumpkin seeds still in the shell do it for me. The shells must have a lot

of insoluble fiber.

>Oh, , I forgot to mention another source of fiber I've recently

>discovered: ground flaxseeds. Just spin the suckers around in the coffee

>mill and sprinkle over salads, into soup, or as a friend of mine

>mentioned, use hot water to make a kind of porridge out of

>it. Looooooooots of fiber there.

>

>--s

[Guest guest]

> [] maybe more kimchee and sauerkraut is all i need...

>

> [Mike] You mentioned eating these sometimes. Perhaps they are simply

> not providing a strong enough dose of probiotics in the quantity and

> frequency you eat them. I would try eating larger servings of

kimchi

> and eating it with every meal (heck, it's not a meal without kimchi

> anyway!).

~~~~ speakin' my language... everything is better with kimchi!

Additionally, or alternatively, you can make water kefir,

> which I believe is much more powerful than fermented veggies. Simply

> obtain kefir grains and put them in any fruit juice for a day or two

> and repeat the process. Check the group files ( home page) and

> archives (onibasu.com) for Heidi's famous " kefir beer " (apple juice

> fermented with kefir grains) recipe and testimonials.

~~~~ i've already been saving bottles in hopes of finding some kefir

grains, water kefir is probably a better bet for me, since any dairy

products aside from raw butter (even this delicous belgian goat

yogurt) are not going well for me.

>

> You might also find much of value in of the GFCFNN group

> (GFCFNN/) and MN group

> (nutrition/).

~~~~ i'm going to check these out!

>

> Working on your GI microflora seems like the most obvious and

> risk-free approach, certainly preferable to fumbling in the dark on

> the fiber issue.

~~~~ yup, this is sounding like the best approach for me

As far as eating grains, I don't see how they would

> provide any particular type of fiber you couldn't get from veggies,

> fruits, or other seeds. Sesame seeds, mung bean sprouts, buckwheat

> sprouts, etc are certainly nicer seeds to try getting fiber from

> before grains or controversial/questionable seeds like flax. You

have

> a vast array of options before you'd need to seriously consider

> resorting to grains, especially with your specific history. Plus,

you

> report that the benefit of the grains was lost after a few days.

~~~~ yes, i think you're onto something good. i do eat plenty of

salads, vegs & non-sweet fruit (peppers, cuke, etc) and i've been

slowly reintroducing soaked nuts and seeds (no flax) in the past

couple of weeks.

>

> If it were me, I'd simply focus on probiotic foods and make a modest

> increase in intake of various types of fiber from foods you're

already

> comfortable with. After trying probiotic foods, you can always

resort

> to probiotic supplements for vastly more medicinal doses of the

> microbes.

~~~~ yup, sounds good too. i've got a new batch of kimchi started and

can hardly wait to dig in.

~~~~ how long do you all think probiotic foods keep their probiotic

activity? i have a couple of jars of kraut in the fridge that i made

about 2 months ago, do you think they're still " active? " they taste

good.

>

> And of course it goes without saying you should never touch

> wheat-gluten grains again with a ten-foot pole!

~~~~ its a good thing they don't sell ezekiel and manna breads here,

no temptation for me! otherwise, i do my best to steer clear.

>

> On the topic of Swedish Bitters, is there anything much beyond the

> stimulation of bile juices from the alkaloids/bitterness to improve

> digestion? It's rather naive to think you need some proprietary

blend

> and preparation of herbs when any old local (and cheap/free) flora

> probably offer equivalent benefits.

~~~~ yeah, i'm hoping to get what i need from daily food choices as

opposed to buying any special products. especially being on a tight

student budget! i have a back yard full of dandelion leaves which are

going to be going into mroe dishes as a trial of the concept of

more bitters = more digestion/elimination.

thanks for the thoughts mike! ~ susan

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I take two to 6 tablespoons of coconut oil a day, drink 10 ounces or more of

kefir and drink 16 ounces of kombucha. I don't know of anyone who drinks

kefir that has not had it correct a constipation problem, even if used in

store bought milk. Another thing I have recently started taking is legends

coral calcium mixed with aloe vera from Quantum nutrition. It will really

get you going. I am also taking iodine as I found I was iodine deficient

and from my research have found that helps with regulation as well. You can

do a patch test with iodine to see if you are deficient. Paint a 1-2 inch

patch somewhere on your body with regular store bought iodine. If fades in

less than 24 hours you are deficient. The faster it fades the more

deficient you are. Mine faded in 2 hours. Also when I was taking acerola

powder to help my adrenal glands it really got me going. Take 1 teaspoon

three times a day and back off to what it takes to not have diarrhea. You

may have some blockage going on in there and might need to do a colon

cleanse to get it cleaned out before you can get it resolved. Back when my

ex husband had serious Candida problems we did some colon cleanses and

colonics and that may have helped me as well.

Anyhow, these are things I have found to work so maybe some of them might

work for you.

Allyn

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Re: benefits of whole grains vs. eating low-carb or no-carb?

that's interesting allyn!

i will take that as an inspirational message, and keep my hopes up

that my own system will normalize with this eating style, since, aside

from the constipation, other parts of me feel and look better than

before. maybe i should try eating even more fat! it could be the case

that i'm not eating as much as i think i am. how much would you say

you eat in a normal day, and from what sources?

i am *all about* coconut and good coconut oil, thanks for the tip! i'm

actually a moderator in a candida forum where we incorporate the

principles of w.a.p.f., paleo-food, optimal diet, etc. for not only

ridding the body of candida overgrowth, but also as a belief in a

healthy lifestyle.

there are a nunber of people in that group, usually newcomers, who

complain of the problem of constipation when changing over to this way

of eating. what i don't understand is why i still have the problems,

after having eaten this way more often than not for the past three

years.

perhaps part of my dilemma stems from having made three major moves in

the past year and a half, and now living in a small town in belgium

where i don't have access to my usual supplies - no fresh goat milk,

raw apple cider vinegar, kombucha, etc... i can't even get epsom salts

for a bath here, unless i buy a tiny jar of them from a pharmacist,

too expensive to use in a bath. at least we have a health food store

where i can order raw butter, and i can get grass fed meats and free

range birds and eggs - phew!

i'm upping my intake of sauerkraut and kimchee, and if i can get my

hands on some kombucha scoby or kefir grains and find goat or sheep

milk, i would be taking them daily too.

thanks again for your experiences and ideas...

best ~ susan

> Many years ago when I went to a high protein diet (before I ran into

WAPF)

> it was the first time in my life I did not have constipation

problems. I

> think because of the extra fat. Now I am eating WAPF with little to

no

> grains and I still do not have constipation problems. I spent most

of my

> life with constipation when I ate grains, etc. I do drink kefir and

> kombucha which also help regulate my system.

> Allyn

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,

I also take magnesium because it helps with the regulation of the iodine as

well. I have been using the gel both on my body and in bath soaks. This is

a recent addition but I did not start taking it for constipation but it

really does help as well. Also, from my other post the things I have done

recently have not been for constipation but for other reasons but I can tell

you they can really get you moving. LOL

Allyn

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Re: benefits of whole grains vs. eating low-carb or no-carb?

,

I had a lot of constipation issues throughout my whole life. It really is

miserable - I sympathize with you.

For me, other than going gluten and casein-free, increasing magnesium and

fiber helped a lot. For the most part I have completely replaced grains

with seeds and nuts. I was fairly dependant on magnesium based laxatives

until I learned I can get it through food and soaking in Epsom salt baths.

I have been considering getting some of that transdermal magnesium gel

everyone keeps talking about. Recently, I've gotten fairly addicted to

turning my garden soil with my hands - the limestone I added to it is rich

in magnesium and calcium and does wonders to my nails!

Also, Kombucha tea seems to have an excellent regularizing effect on me, so

I drink that in the mornings.

-Lana

On 5/14/06, susan <thenaturalkitchen@...> wrote:

>

> hey all,

>

> i'm confused.

>

> recently i've had good success overcoming candida symptoms by eating

> absoultely no grains or starchy veg's (basically eating a lot of good

> fats, meats, fish, birds, eggs, coconut and some lower carbohydrate

> vegs). i did this same approach a few years ago and had the same good

> results.

>

> the one real drawback is that i get constipated on this routine, even

> when i eat lots of fats and take plenty of liquid.

>

> i was vegan and macrobiotic for seven years in my twenties. i'm

> healthier now that i've adopted w.a.p.f. eating style, but i must

> admit that i rarely had a problem with constipation when i was eating

> all that brown rice and other whole grains.

>

> a person who i respect a lot in terms of her knowledge of healthy

> eating habits (she's the one who introduced me to w.a.p.f. 3 years

> ago) states adamantly that grains are not good for anyone, and that

> if you get constipated eating low-carb or no-carb that you need to be

> eating more fats.

>

> last week i ate some of my husband's muesli for a few days in a row,

> and all of a sudden i was very regular, it was three days of heaven!!

> the fourth day i went back to being clogged up. so i stopped eating

> the muesli and i'm back to the low-carb high-fat routine.

>

> now i'll use enemas, or salt water flushes, or magnesium or high

> dosing vitamin c to relieve the constipation, but something is not

> right if i continually have to revert to something that drastic just

> to get things moving.

>

> i know there are some folks here who also eat no-carb, or purely

> animal food diets. do you all have good digestion/elimination?

>

> in the past i've tried psyllium, not so good for me. i used to be

> addicted to dr. schulze intestinal formula #1, but i weaned myself

> off that.

>

> i walk every day, and on a normal day i eat at least 3 - 4

> tablespoons of raw butter, some coconut, at least two eggs with the

> yolks runny, other meats & their fats, bone broths a few times per

> week, and homemade sauerkraut/kim chee etc. sweet fruits don't agree

> with me, but i do eat a variety of vegetables & salads.

>

> i recently found goat yogurt (commercial variety, though the goats

> are free-range) and have used it for an occasional condiment with

> indian foods, as well as an occasional snack, not more than a few

> tablespoons at a time.

>

> i was thinking of adding properly soaked muesli to see if it will

> help.

>

> but is fiber really the answer? there are some groups of people in

> the world who eat very little or no fiber and are healthy, right? so

> is my personal body type just one that needs some bulk foods to keep

> regular?

>

> somebody recently posted about the benefits of the whole grains

> scrubbing the intestines and carrying toxins out, and i had believed

> in this theory for years. now i'm just not sure. i do know that being

> constipated is not healthy, it feels terrible.

>

> any thoughts or suggestions?

>

> thanks a bunch! ~ susan

>

[Guest guest]

When ever I eat grains, i.e. breads, etc., I get constipated, even whole

wheat, but if I don't eat any I never have a problem. I think most people

need to find what works for them.

Allyn

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Re: benefits of whole grains vs. eating low-carb or no-carb?

Soluble fiber is a storage form of sugar which feeds the bacteria in your

intestines. It also acts a lot like clay - soaking up toxins from the GI

tract. Why wouldn't you need it?

-Lana

On 5/14/06, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote:

>

> On 5/14/06, susan <thenaturalkitchen@...> wrote:

>

> > but is fiber really the answer? there are some groups of people in

> > the world who eat very little or no fiber and are healthy, right? so

> > is my personal body type just one that needs some bulk foods to keep

> > regular?

>

> I don't know if everyone needs fiber, but I do, and I really don't

> think fat is a replacement. I don't, however, think that bran is the

> answer -- I'd go with vegetable fiber. I've been eating two salads

> per meal lately that I really think seems to help. I think that

> starchy foods, apples, onions, and garlic all have some type of fiber

> that, for my gut, is fermentable and tends to make things worse, while

> low-calorie veggies and especially lettuce seem to provide the bulk to

> keep things moving without gas.

>

> Chris

> --

> Dioxins in Animal Foods:

> A Case For Vegetarianism?

> Find Out the Truth:

> http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html

>

[Guest guest]

susan wrote:

>

>~~~~ yup, sounds good too. i've got a new batch of kimchi started and

>can hardly wait to dig in.

>

>~~~~ how long do you all think probiotic foods keep their probiotic

>activity? i have a couple of jars of kraut in the fridge that i made

>about 2 months ago, do you think they're still " active? " they taste

>good.

>

>

My mentor informs me that kimchi is ready to eat after 48 hours of

fermenting. She said that if the kimchi is maintained in a consistent

temperature and humidity, it will keep its qualities indefinitely. I

know that saurkraut is considered to be best *after* a period of six

months, so what you've got would still be considered " young. "

--s

[Guest guest]

I have the same problem with pasteurized dairy, must be a type of

allergic reaction.

> >

> > > but is fiber really the answer? there are some groups of

people in

> > > the world who eat very little or no fiber and are healthy,

right? so

> > > is my personal body type just one that needs some bulk foods

to keep

> > > regular?

> >

> > I don't know if everyone needs fiber, but I do, and I really

don't

> > think fat is a replacement. I don't, however, think that bran

is the

> > answer -- I'd go with vegetable fiber. I've been eating two

salads

> > per meal lately that I really think seems to help. I think that

> > starchy foods, apples, onions, and garlic all have some type of

fiber

> > that, for my gut, is fermentable and tends to make things worse,

while

> > low-calorie veggies and especially lettuce seem to provide the

bulk to

> > keep things moving without gas.

> >

> > Chris

> > --

> > Dioxins in Animal Foods:

> > A Case For Vegetarianism?

> > Find Out the Truth:

> > http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/dioxins.html

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On 5/15/06, susan <thenaturalkitchen@...> wrote:

<snip>

> perhaps part of my dilemma stems from having made three major moves in

> the past year and a half, and now living in a small town in belgium

> where i don't have access to my usual supplies - no fresh goat milk,

> raw apple cider vinegar, kombucha, etc... i can't even get epsom salts

> for a bath here, unless i buy a tiny jar of them from a pharmacist,

> too expensive to use in a bath. at least we have a health food store

> where i can order raw butter, and i can get grass fed meats and free

> range birds and eggs - phew!

<snip>

Hi,

You shouldn't have any trouble getting kefir grains or kombucha on

Ebay. I've had them delivered to/from France. I'd send you some of

my own, but they died when i stopped drinking milk for a while.

[Guest guest]

so you have had kefir grains and kombucha scoby/tea shipped from

france to the usa that worked just fine when it got to you? no

irradiation damage? do you remember approximately how much it cost to

ship? did you do it express or slow boat?

thanks for the info ~ susan

>

> Hi,

>

> You shouldn't have any trouble getting kefir grains or kombucha on

> Ebay. I've had them delivered to/from France. I'd send you some of

> my own, but they died when i stopped drinking milk for a while.

>

>

>