pancreatic vs. plant-based enzymes

[Guest guest]

I've been using plant-based digestive enzymes for over a year, but I

recently read that pancreatic enzymes are more effective. Has anyone

used pancreatic enzymes, and how did they work for you? I'm hoping

that pancreatic enzymes might help my body start producing more of its

own digestive enzymes.

[Guest guest]

Pancreatic enzymes are much stronger than plant based. Pancreatic

enzymes digest the cancer. Cancer is a protein and Pancreatic enzymes

will digest it. You take them every time you eat and especially when

you eat protein.

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> I've been using plant-based digestive enzymes for over a year, but I

> recently read that pancreatic enzymes are more effective. Has anyone

> used pancreatic enzymes, and how did they work for you? I'm hoping

> that pancreatic enzymes might help my body start producing more of its

> own digestive enzymes.

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[Guest guest]

how does serropeptase fit into this - plant based no as it's from a

silkworm but they are not pancreatic right so what class of enzymes do

they fall under? i find them helpful for arthritis.

thanks

monique

[Guest guest]

> What would they be: Betaine? Or simply labeled " pancreatic enzymes "

and from

> what animal obtained?

pancreatic enzymes are not betaine, but " pancreatic " enzymes extracted

from an animal pancreas, generally pork, since that's most compatible

with human. I have some prescription pancreatic enzyme tablets which

I get from my bil, who is a pancreatic cancer patient.

The ingredients are: " a [standardized] pancreatic enzyme concentrate

of porcine origin... "

drrons.com sells freeze-dried pork pancreas in capsules without

additives and another company makes them as well, with fillers, but I

don't recall the name and neither are standardized. I bought a

humongous quantity of them but something about the porky goodness I

found repulsive and I don't take them. They also gave me a negative

muscle feedback response but I get kind of skeeved by pork in general

and I don't know why so ymmv.

tb

[Guest guest]

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> I've been using plant-based digestive enzymes for over a year, but I

> recently read that pancreatic enzymes are more effective. Has anyone

> used pancreatic enzymes, and how did they work for you? I'm hoping

> that pancreatic enzymes might help my body start producing more of its

> own digestive enzymes.

What purpose are you seeking to serve? This thread touched on

cancer, but I don't see any mention of cancer in your original post.

At any rate, for digestive purposes, pancreatic enzymes are vastly

superior to plant enzymes because they are much more like the enzymes

our own bodies produce, and therefore they produce much more

digestible and absorbable cleavage products.

Perhaps I should explain (in brief) how protein digestion works. The

stomach produces stomach acid to lower the pH of the food/gastric-

juice mixture enough to denature the proteins in the meal. This

means, essentially, that the acid causes the proteins, which are

tangled globules of amino acids hooked together in long chains, to

unfold into long, largely flattened-out strings of amino acids,

making the bonds between amino acids accessible to enzymes which can

then cleave them. The stomach also produces pepsinogen, a protein-

digesting enzyme which begins the work of cleaving these denatured

proteins into smaller pieces. Pancreatic enzymes released into the

intestine further break down (cleave) these protein fragments.

Without adequate stomach acid, none of these enzymes can function,

partly because many are only effective themselves in certain narrow

pH ranges, but more proximately because without the denaturing effect

of the acid, the enzymes can't get at the structure of the proteins

in order to break them apart in the first place.

Basically, this process starts with denaturing and then proceeds

through several stages of cleaving, but different enzymes cleave

proteins in different places, producing different types of protein

fragments. Our systems evolved (or are designed; have it as you

will) such that we produce a series of enzymes which each depend for

their maximal action on the results of the previous enzymes' actions,

which is why plant enzymes are not nearly as effective for digestive

purposes as pancreatic enzymes.

As far as helping your body produce more of its own digestive

enzymes, giving your system a rest via supplementation can be

helpful, as can making sure your system has plenty of the raw

materials required to produce those enzymes -- lots of protein,

plenty of zinc and other minerals, etc. However, not all

malfunctions are necessarily repairable.

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> > I've been using plant-based digestive enzymes for over a year, but I

> > recently read that pancreatic enzymes are more effective. Has anyone

> > used pancreatic enzymes, and how did they work for you? I'm hoping

> > that pancreatic enzymes might help my body start producing more of its

> > own digestive enzymes.

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> What purpose are you seeking to serve? This thread touched on

> cancer, but I don't see any mention of cancer in your original post.

I have digestive problems when I eat legumes or grains...mostly gas

and lots of stomach rumbling but for a few weeks I couldn't eat any

starches at all or I would have a very upset stomach. A combination

of pascalite clay and a really strong probiotic took care of that and

I can eat the legumes and grains again, but my digestive system still

isn't working right. I have done both the SCD and a candida diet in

the past year or so but the SCD didn't help at all and the candida

diet helped a little but the benefits disappeared as soon as I stopped

it. Not eating grains & legumes isn't an option anymore as I'm

nursing a toddler who's sensitive to salicylates and amines so there's

not a whole lot of foods left if I don't eat grains & legumes! (She's

also intolerant to dairy and eggs, among other things.)

[Guest guest]

hi valerie

i am interested in what you learn on this topic. i have rheumatoid

arthritis and get some relief with serropeptase enzymes. i heard though

that a doc in ny uses massive doses of pancreatic enzymes to treat RA

and cancer but am not sure where to purchase these?

monique

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> hi valerie

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> i am interested in what you learn on this topic. i have rheumatoid

> arthritis and get some relief with serropeptase enzymes. i heard though

> that a doc in ny uses massive doses of pancreatic enzymes to treat RA

> and cancer but am not sure where to purchase these?

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> monique

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I know Wobenzyme is commonly used for inflammation...I think it is

pancreatic but I'm not sure. www.vitacost.com has the cheapest prices

that I've seen.

I ended up giving up on the enzymes all together as the plant-based

ones don't seem to do anything for me and the pancreatic ones seemed

to cause my DD who is nursing problems (she's sensitive to amines and

it appears they have amines in them). Oh well.