Re: Re: Sardines [was Bottled Water]

[Guest guest]

I've heard on one of the 2005 WAP conference tapes from a

question/answer segment (can't remember which tape) that a Dr. in the

audience said; small fish like sardines don't accumulate heavy metals

and the least contaminated are from South America.

Is Kign from S Am? Does anyone know of a brand that is?

On Dec 1, 2006, at 8:10 PM, wrote:

>> King is my favorite

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In the UK we eat whole whitebait - they are very like sardines to look at. Do

they count ?

Jane

Re: Sardines [was Bottled Water]

--- B, " downwardog7 " <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

> I'll try some in water next time, since I don't really care for

> olive oil anyway and it's a waste of sardine goodness to drain it

> out of the can like I do.

,

I saw sardines in olive oil, but chose water after recently reading

what Colpo had to say about olive oil in " The Great

Cholesterol Con " (I got the e-book for only $9.95):

" Before people rush off to embrace monounsaturated oils as the next

cardiovascular elixir, they should know that the claimed heart-healthy

benefits of these oils have never been demonstrated. Their rapid rise

to stardom has been fueled almost entirely by tales of low CHD rates

among southern European countries where olive oil often forms a staple

of the diet. Ironically the country with the lowest rates of CHD in

southern Europe is the one with the greatest intake of highly

saturated animal fats - France! "

" Furthermore, the only group of researchers to ever put olive oil to

the clinical test found it to be anything but a coronary liquid gold.

Rose and colleagues randomized men with existing CHD to consume diets

high in either corn oil, olive oil, or animal fats for a period of two

years, reporting their results in a 1965 issue of the British Medical

Journal. By the end of the trial, only fifty-two percent of the corn

oil group and fifty-seven percent of the olive oil group remained

alive and free of heart attack. In contrast, a full seventy-five

percent of the control subjects who kept eating their high animal fat

diet remained free of either fatal or non-fatal heart attack. "

So, I'll stick with sardines in water or sardine oil.

I'm still wondering if anyone eats sardines whole - with the head?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

On 12/2/06, <oz4caster@...> wrote:

> I saw sardines in olive oil, but chose water after recently reading

> what Colpo had to say about olive oil in " The Great

> Cholesterol Con " (I got the e-book for only $9.95):

>

> " Before people rush off to embrace monounsaturated oils as the next

> cardiovascular elixir, they should know that the claimed heart-healthy

> benefits of these oils have never been demonstrated. Their rapid rise

> to stardom has been fueled almost entirely by tales of low CHD rates

> among southern European countries where olive oil often forms a staple

> of the diet. Ironically the country with the lowest rates of CHD in

> southern Europe is the one with the greatest intake of highly

> saturated animal fats - France! "

Except, whoops, the lowest rates of incidence and fatality are in the

south of France where the consumption of olive oil is many times

greater than that of the rest of the country. But surely there are

too many factors to start drawing conclusions based on loose

correlation. France also has the largest per capita nylon jumpsuit

consumption in Europe (results from informal personal study), so

cotton clothing clearly causes heart disease.

[Guest guest]

> and ,

>

> I checked at Whole Foods today to see what kind of sardines they had.

> The WF near me doesn't carry fresh sardines, although the guy at the

> fish counter said they can special order them from Greece.

,

I have noticed lately that WF carries them on an infrequent basis,

perhaps a seasonal item. They are much bigger than the canned variety

and they have the heads on. IIRC, sardines is a somewhat generic term

that describes several kinds of fish.

> I looked

> for the King but didn't find it. I ended up buying Crown Prince

> " wild caught " Brisling sardines in water - " product of Scotland " .

> They were quite tasty straight out of the can and larger than what I

> remembered eating as a child. Except, the heads were missing. I

> thought I remembered the sardines with heads in a can as a kid - but

> that was soooo long ago I may not be remembering right.

Yeah Crown Prince is quite tasty but I haven't seen them outside of

natural food grocery stores. I seem to recall the heads on as a kid as

well. My aunt used to eat them and at the time I thought they were

quite nasty (as a kid). Yet here I am years later happily munching

away on them. My granddad used to smoke cigars and drink scotch when I

was kid too, and I thought that was just plain nasty back then. Now I

treat myself to both as well. We have had threads here concerning the

healthful (or non-healthful) aspects of both.

> Does anyone eat the sardine heads?

> <just had to ask after all the recent talk about shrimp heads>

Yup, when available.

> I asked the guy at the fish counter about their oysters too. I told

> him I ate raw egg yolks and drank raw milk and cream, but I wasn't

> brave enough to eat oysters raw. He said he wouldn't eat them raw

> either. Then much to my surprise he gave me a free sample pack with 4

> oz of oysters (3 big ones)! I brought them home and made oyster stew.

> I remembered a milky oyster stew I had as a child and tried to

> replicate it. It actually came out much like I remembered - got lucky

> I guess. I just washed the oysters and put them in a pot with some

> butter, milk, minced garlic, and a dash of real salt and boiled them

> gently for about 10 minutes.

> Mmmmmm!

It took me years to learn to like many foods that I regularly eat

today. Raw milk was easy but just about everything else took time. Raw

oysters was the very last item that I finally developed a taste for.

At first I just used to stare at them as other people slurped away.

Then one day I tried one and swallowed it whole (no chewing) quickly

followed by a beer chaser. I stayed in that mode for several years and

then finally I just ate and chewed one (dipped in butter) and it was

delicious! Now I can't even imagine why I never liked them.

> Still not brave enough to eat them raw.

> <oysters of course!>

>

> <needs more intestinal fortitude>

Keep at it. Tastes can and do change.

/who now has plenty of intestinal fortitude when it comes to food and

would just kick butt on Fear Factor :-)

--

" All [gov't] can see in an original idea is potential change, and

hence an invasion of its prerogatives. The most dangerous man, to any

gov't, is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without

regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably

he comes to the conclusion that the gov't he lives under is dishonest,

insane, and intolerable, and so, if he is a romantic, he tries to

change it. And even if he is not...he is very apt to spread discontent

among those who are. "

H.L. Mencken

How sweet it is! The GOP, RIP

http://snipurl.com/w7d6

[Guest guest]

On 12/1/06, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> Ooh, how fun! I think what I buy are King (I've eaten all those

> in the cupboard, so I can't be sure) and I get them not at WF but at

> Trader Joe's and they are not expensive afaik, but perhaps they are

> afa sardines go? I wouldn't know since they are the only kind I buy

> because they come packed in EVOO and it just never occurred to me to

> compare prices or buy sardines in spring water and add oil, ok?

> <shut up!>

>

> <tips hat to >

,

The problem with olive oil is that you never know unless you know, and

even extra virgin might have been exposed to very high temperatures

during processing or cut with something other than olive oil. I would

rather put oil on whose source I know.

> What would be tasty, I bet, are sardines with one of those new Jungle

> Products oil blends drizzled on top...

I've seen the Jungle products but not the oil *blends*. What do these

consist of?

> So...why won't you eat raw oysters, then? I had the most beautiful

> plate of kumamoto's the other night--superb:

>

> http://www.marga.org/food/blog/archives/oyster.jpg

Lovely. My favorites are the Westcott Bay Petites (they aren't really

petites despite the name) from the San Islands here in

Washington: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/food/108521_oysterwhat14.shtml

> I don't like buying shellfish at the local WF because the clams and

> mussels never look fresh but I have purchased an oyster or two from

> time to time without incident. The seafood guys will open a couple at

> the counter and you can slurp 'em down right there then just bring a

> printed tag to the checkout, a fun appetizer on the way home from the

> office.

Throughout the Seattle area there are a number of upscale restaurants

that have an oyster happy hour, where you can eat all the oysters you

want for (often) less than the cost of buying them from the store. Not

to mention they are shucked on the spot (usually) and served to you.

> I don't see fresh sardines at WF--or very rarely--but they have them

> at the Asian markets and the farmers markets. I always mean to buy

> some but never have the time to figure out what to do with them. I

> mostly want to make fish sauce but it always gets pushed to the bottom

> of my to-do list--for five years now, ha.

>

> B.

Maybe you can talk one of your clients into stocking homemade fish

sauce, then you would have some motivation for making some.

--

" All [gov't] can see in an original idea is potential change, and

hence an invasion of its prerogatives. The most dangerous man, to any

gov't, is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without

regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably

he comes to the conclusion that the gov't he lives under is dishonest,

insane, and intolerable, and so, if he is a romantic, he tries to

change it. And even if he is not...he is very apt to spread discontent

among those who are. "

H.L. Mencken

How sweet it is! The GOP, RIP

http://snipurl.com/w7d6

[Guest guest]

On 12/1/06, bellasol.organics <bellasol.organics@...> wrote:

> Just had to ask, Why the phobia on raw oysters? Oysters were

> probably my first raw food, since we always had oysters on the half

> shell at every holiday or special event.

Eating a *living* slimy little thing (and sometimes not so little) off

and ocean shell????? Come on girlfriend...get serious, LOL

> Not only is it legal

> everywhere to purchase and consume it, it was accepted as 'normal'-if

> you liked them- Not like your 'risking your life' dogma they try to

> spread about raw milk.

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo true (still some people are turned off by

the " gross " factor even though they don't think you are risking your

life by consuming them.

--

" All [gov't] can see in an original idea is potential change, and

hence an invasion of its prerogatives. The most dangerous man, to any

gov't, is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without

regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably

he comes to the conclusion that the gov't he lives under is dishonest,

insane, and intolerable, and so, if he is a romantic, he tries to

change it. And even if he is not...he is very apt to spread discontent

among those who are. "

H.L. Mencken

How sweet it is! The GOP, RIP

http://snipurl.com/w7d6

[Guest guest]

> King sardines come from the Norwegian fjords. Interestingly,

> according to their site, the olive oil they use to pack fish is

> evoo--I assumed it was pure grade.

>

> http://tinyurl.com/5abbn

>

> B.

Well you know what they say about ass-u-me..ing :-))

--

" All [gov't] can see in an original idea is potential change, and

hence an invasion of its prerogatives. The most dangerous man, to any

gov't, is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without

regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably

he comes to the conclusion that the gov't he lives under is dishonest,

insane, and intolerable, and so, if he is a romantic, he tries to

change it. And even if he is not...he is very apt to spread discontent

among those who are. "

H.L. Mencken

How sweet it is! The GOP, RIP

http://snipurl.com/w7d6

[Guest guest]

On 12/2/06, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

>

>

> > So, I'll stick with sardines in water or sardine oil.

> >

> > I'm still wondering if anyone eats sardines whole - with the head?

> >

> ,

>

> No need to convince me that evoo is little more than a non-harming

> food, if that's what was going on. I've simply never seen sardines in

> sardine oil--not at the two stores where I buy anyway--have you?

Such seems impossible to find these days. And looking at King 's

they no longer carry such a product although they do, in response to

consumer demand, pack sardines in fish oil.

Here is a little ditty from the Napoleon Company website

(http://www.napoleon-co.com/) about sardine oil:

" Of the two northern fish foods, the brisling is deemed the better

tasting. They are caught throughout the year, but the most desirable

are harvested in the summer, when they are tender, juicy, fat, and

flavorful with no hard bones and no scales. The sild sardine, not as

flavorful as the brisling, is a delightful product in itself. Sild

tends to come in larger-sized fish, and those that do not fit into the

can are usually processed into sild oil in which sild sardines are

packed. Cross-packed sardines are a pack in which the fish are placed

across the shortest side of the tin (it's width). The straight pack

indicates longer fish that are packed lengthwise in the tin. "

--

" All [gov't] can see in an original idea is potential change, and

hence an invasion of its prerogatives. The most dangerous man, to any

gov't, is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without

regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably

he comes to the conclusion that the gov't he lives under is dishonest,

insane, and intolerable, and so, if he is a romantic, he tries to

change it. And even if he is not...he is very apt to spread discontent

among those who are. "

H.L. Mencken

How sweet it is! The GOP, RIP

http://snipurl.com/w7d6

[Guest guest]

On 12/2/06, <oz4caster@...> wrote:

> " Furthermore, the only group of researchers to ever put olive oil to

> the clinical test found it to be anything but a coronary liquid gold.

> Rose and colleagues randomized men with existing CHD to consume diets

> high in either corn oil, olive oil, or animal fats for a period of two

> years, reporting their results in a 1965 issue of the British Medical

> Journal. By the end of the trial, only fifty-two percent of the corn

> oil group and fifty-seven percent of the olive oil group remained

> alive and free of heart attack. In contrast, a full seventy-five

> percent of the control subjects who kept eating their high animal fat

> diet remained free of either fatal or non-fatal heart attack. "

,

Unfortunately without knowing the specifics (like what kind of olive

oil) that study isn't really very helpful. Besides there seem to many

variables *not* accounted for, at least without seeing the original

study.

Nonetheless, I'm with you. Its either water or bust (sardine oil pack

fish being very hard to find these days).

--

" All [gov't] can see in an original idea is potential change, and

hence an invasion of its prerogatives. The most dangerous man, to any

gov't, is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without

regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably

he comes to the conclusion that the gov't he lives under is dishonest,

insane, and intolerable, and so, if he is a romantic, he tries to

change it. And even if he is not...he is very apt to spread discontent

among those who are. "

H.L. Mencken

How sweet it is! The GOP, RIP

http://snipurl.com/w7d6

[Guest guest]

Hey fun thread. Thanks for indulging me. Tutaloo...

[Guest guest]

On 12/2/06, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

>

>

> > I've seen the Jungle products but not the oil *blends*. What do these

> > consist of?

>

> They were sampling the new blends at the conference. When I checked

> their site, it appears the line is yet to be released. Pourable oil in

> bottles.

Hmmm...Thats interesting.

> (Were you intending to come to the conference or was that yet another

> of the wild rumors ever making the rounds?)

Rumor(s)? About me? Huh. Interesting. Who would want to talk about me?

Not the enigma on the west coast (as one NN back channeler described

me - but I do appreciate her asking me directly about what was on her

mind) God forbid! :-)

I can't vouch for the other wild rumor(s) but that one was actually

true. After 7 months of about 90 hours of work per week, I was

seriously looking forward to a change of pace. But in the end it

didn't work it.

But now that I am a chapter leader, I will be working hard to help

bring a conference to a major city on the west coast. No reason why

there can't be two conferences per year (one on each coast about six

months apart), even if the second conference isn't specifically

sponsored by WAPF.

--

" All [gov't] can see in an original idea is potential change, and

hence an invasion of its prerogatives. The most dangerous man, to any

gov't, is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without

regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably

he comes to the conclusion that the gov't he lives under is dishonest,

insane, and intolerable, and so, if he is a romantic, he tries to

change it. And even if he is not...he is very apt to spread discontent

among those who are. "

H.L. Mencken

How sweet it is! The GOP, RIP

http://snipurl.com/w7d6

[Guest guest]

What is evoo? and I still want to know about S. american brands. Anyone

know of any?

On Dec 2, 2006, at 8:03 AM, downwardog7 wrote:

>

>

> Is Kign from S Am? Does anyone know of a brand that is?

>

> ,

>

> King sardines come from the Norwegian fjords. Interestingly,

> according to their site, the olive oil they use to pack fish is

> evoo--I assumed it was pure grade.

>

> http://tinyurl.com/5abbn

>

> B.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

> Colorful prose from Colpo. I just shipped that book to my dad and now

> I can see it was for naught.

Quid est?

-

[Guest guest]

-

> Has

> anyone here made it?

Fish sauce? Yeah. Not for awhile, though. No time for elaborate

culinary projects, unfortunately.

-

[Guest guest]

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> I asked the guy at the fish counter about their oysters too. I told

> him I ate raw egg yolks and drank raw milk and cream, but I wasn't

> brave enough to eat oysters raw. He said he wouldn't eat them raw

> either. Then much to my surprise he gave me a free sample pack with 4

> oz of oysters (3 big ones)! I brought them home and made oyster stew.

Oyster stew? Oyster STEW?

Well, OK, alright, I have to admit that oysters work terrifically in

all sorts of soups and stews, but raw oysters with a little lemon

juice, horseradish or horseradish sauce are one of life's greatest

pleasures.

-

[Guest guest]

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> Was it stanky in the house? Where did you ferment it?

>

> Hope you're busy in a good way but the (un)smiley is causing me

> worry... B.

Digging through dusty attics of memory...

Sifting...

Sorting...

I think it was on the counter for a couple days and then spent the

rest of its prep time in the fridge, and it was in one of those jars

with a rubber gasket, so little in the way of aroma escaped.

The business is mostly good at this point, but as always, it varies.

The unsmiley's because I'd feel better if I were eating better, but

eating better takes more time than I have.

-

[Guest guest]

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> You mean this?

>

> http://thegreatcholesterolcon.com/

Sorry, I meant how come you said it's for naught?

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[Guest guest]

On 12/2/06, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

>

>

> France also has the largest per capita nylon jumpsuit

> > consumption in Europe (results from informal personal study), so

> > cotton clothing clearly causes heart disease.

>

> ,

>

> I'm gonna ensconce you in nylon for your own protection. Plus maybe

> you'll assimilate better. Merry Christmas.

> B.

I'll learn the language, I'll learn the cuisine, but they'll never get

me in nylon or on a two-cycle scooter. There are some lines the

universe means for us not to cross.

(damn kids get off my lawn)