Re: Beans/Tish - SOYbeans are bad, NOT all beans

[Guest guest]

SOY beans, and ALL non-fermented soy products, are bad for thyroid function and even worse for folks on thyroid hormone replacement, like us... Other beans, with the exception of Lima, are GOOD for us!!

The links that you sited also say SOY is bad..

Protein content in beans is good.. just not complete, as I stated earlier to provide your body with complete protein it is mandatory to include meat proteins as well. Without the meat proteins the body is lacking in necessary amino acids required to build the proteins the body needs to survive.

Nuts are good sources of protein and fiber as well. Brazil nuts are the BEST natural source of selenium in the world.

Through this entire post you seem to be using soy, soybeans and beans as though they are all equal....

SOY beans are what cause all the problems that you list concerning poor absorption, etc... black beans, pinto beans, navy beans, lentils, peas, etc are good for us.

Non fermented soy products bind with thyroid hormone, reduce thyroid conversion.

You even sited your sister's difficulties being due to SOY.. then blame all beans.....

Topper ()

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:53:01 -0000 "lkwetter" writes:

Beans are bad for thyroid function. All beans are bad and so are nuts. Beans and nuts contain anti-thyroid substances. These are produced by plants as a way of protecting seeds from being eaten so that they have a better chance preserving their species. Seeds and nuts also contain anti-vitamin substances that prevent the body from taking up nutrients in the intestinal tract. They also contain a poor quality protein, lacking in certain essential amino acids. Their protein is also less well absorbed than animal based protiens. The soy industry is aggressively fighting this knowledge getting out and in just the last year or so, I have noticed that they have done quite a lot to make sure that organizations such as Soy Online do not come up on google searches untill much further back on the list. This can be easily accomplished with some good website positioning strategies.You can get plenty of highly absorbable folic acid and B12 from meat, especially liver. Liver is so good for you and it is too bad that it is so contaminated today with all the nasty things fed to meat animals.http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/home.htmhttp://thyroid.about.com/cs/soyinfo/a/soy.htmIf you are on Synthroid or Levoxyl, then beans and nuts are a real no no. They really interfere with conversion of T4 to T3 and my sister-in-low had a whole year of never being able to get her thyriod dose adjusted because she used a lot of soy. She had widely varying T3, sometimes ok and others down to zilch just from eating soy. It is best to have a well rounded diet with a lot of variety. So, beans are ok if eaten in moderation along with a highly nutritious high variety diet. To learn about the best diets for health, read Weston Price's "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" He spent a big part of his life studying the diets of indigenous peoples all over the world and what happened to them as the adopted Westernized diets. He has photographs of family memebers as their diets changed and it is quite shocking to see. The Framingham study found that the most lean and energetic people, were those who had the highest fat diets. Not vegetable oils, but butter and animal fat. In fact, cardiovascular disease was rare up untill the high use of vegetable oils in the 1940s. Prior to that, most fats were animal based or coconut oil. Natural highly saturated fats are very stable and are essential for the cell wall of every cell in out body. Vegetable oils are not stable and rob electrons from out cpailary walls, damaging them, and they make imperfect cell walls. Here is a good article on fats. Vegetable oils are another situation of aggressive marketing done as a way to find a use for an agricultural product that would make more money than if used for animal feed. Corn and soybeans are such great animal feeds because they greatly increase weight gain, water retention, and fat deposition in cattle, chickens and pigs because they slow the metabolism.http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/efatox.rtfTish

[Guest guest]

Nope... tofu still has all the bad components of soy that bind with thyroid hormone and block receptor sites.

In a person that has thyroid function, the gland has to produce more hormone to compensate. If they have a healthy gland with no other issues they may have no problems.. but someone that has a weak gland, disease gland, autoimmune problems, etc... or is on replacement hormone. It makes the hormone tat you have unusable.

Ways to get around that are to always eat the same amount of soy stuff daily and adjust your meds accordingly.. but that still won't protect you from the genetic damage that soy is known for.

Years ago the stuff left over after processing of soy, for the oils or whatever it was that they first made from it, were just sitting around, costing money to dispose of. Some one got the great idea that since there was a remaining protein content to it that they would produce animal feed from it.. Cheap, high protein, earns money instead of costing money to dispose of. Only one problem, within just a few generations the animals that were being raised on the stuff started producing deformed off spring. So.. no more feeding it to animals. They scratched their heads and came up with a way to use the stuff in human foods.... Many of the sites that list all the dangers and testimonials to the affects of soy are being shut down... I can't find the documentation on the birth defects anymore...

The site that Tish listed,

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/home.htm

I've been there many times over the last months... it's worth taking some time and doing some reading.... I've become a notorius label reader now.... watching for anything with soy products in it and putting it back on the shelf....

I'm trying to find a natural product for my baking.. right now shortenings are either based on soy or on rendered cats and dogs. So not a whole lot of choice there... so I go for vegetable shortening. I'm seriously considering contacting Crisco.. the largest name brand in my area, and seeing what they may want to do about a soy free version...

I know I could use butter... but my budget isn't keen on the idea....

Topper ()

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:26:42 -0700 (PDT) edumom writes:

SOY beans, and ALL non-fermented soy products, are bad for thyroid function

so if I understand this correctly, tofu is to soy beans as yogurt is to milk? and, as yogurt is more digestible/useful to the body, so tofu is less insidious as well?

sincerely, edumom

[Guest guest]

Nope... tofu still has all the bad components of soy that bind with thyroid hormone and block receptor sites.

In a person that has thyroid function, the gland has to produce more hormone to compensate. If they have a healthy gland with no other issues they may have no problems.. but someone that has a weak gland, disease gland, autoimmune problems, etc... or is on replacement hormone. It makes the hormone tat you have unusable.

Ways to get around that are to always eat the same amount of soy stuff daily and adjust your meds accordingly.. but that still won't protect you from the genetic damage that soy is known for.

Years ago the stuff left over after processing of soy, for the oils or whatever it was that they first made from it, were just sitting around, costing money to dispose of. Some one got the great idea that since there was a remaining protein content to it that they would produce animal feed from it.. Cheap, high protein, earns money instead of costing money to dispose of. Only one problem, within just a few generations the animals that were being raised on the stuff started producing deformed off spring. So.. no more feeding it to animals. They scratched their heads and came up with a way to use the stuff in human foods.... Many of the sites that list all the dangers and testimonials to the affects of soy are being shut down... I can't find the documentation on the birth defects anymore...

The site that Tish listed,

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/home.htm

I've been there many times over the last months... it's worth taking some time and doing some reading.... I've become a notorius label reader now.... watching for anything with soy products in it and putting it back on the shelf....

I'm trying to find a natural product for my baking.. right now shortenings are either based on soy or on rendered cats and dogs. So not a whole lot of choice there... so I go for vegetable shortening. I'm seriously considering contacting Crisco.. the largest name brand in my area, and seeing what they may want to do about a soy free version...

I know I could use butter... but my budget isn't keen on the idea....

Topper ()

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:26:42 -0700 (PDT) edumom writes:

SOY beans, and ALL non-fermented soy products, are bad for thyroid function

so if I understand this correctly, tofu is to soy beans as yogurt is to milk? and, as yogurt is more digestible/useful to the body, so tofu is less insidious as well?

sincerely, edumom

[Guest guest]

Nope... tofu still has all the bad components of soy that bind with thyroid hormone and block receptor sites.

In a person that has thyroid function, the gland has to produce more hormone to compensate. If they have a healthy gland with no other issues they may have no problems.. but someone that has a weak gland, disease gland, autoimmune problems, etc... or is on replacement hormone. It makes the hormone tat you have unusable.

Ways to get around that are to always eat the same amount of soy stuff daily and adjust your meds accordingly.. but that still won't protect you from the genetic damage that soy is known for.

Years ago the stuff left over after processing of soy, for the oils or whatever it was that they first made from it, were just sitting around, costing money to dispose of. Some one got the great idea that since there was a remaining protein content to it that they would produce animal feed from it.. Cheap, high protein, earns money instead of costing money to dispose of. Only one problem, within just a few generations the animals that were being raised on the stuff started producing deformed off spring. So.. no more feeding it to animals. They scratched their heads and came up with a way to use the stuff in human foods.... Many of the sites that list all the dangers and testimonials to the affects of soy are being shut down... I can't find the documentation on the birth defects anymore...

The site that Tish listed,

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/home.htm

I've been there many times over the last months... it's worth taking some time and doing some reading.... I've become a notorius label reader now.... watching for anything with soy products in it and putting it back on the shelf....

I'm trying to find a natural product for my baking.. right now shortenings are either based on soy or on rendered cats and dogs. So not a whole lot of choice there... so I go for vegetable shortening. I'm seriously considering contacting Crisco.. the largest name brand in my area, and seeing what they may want to do about a soy free version...

I know I could use butter... but my budget isn't keen on the idea....

Topper ()

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:26:42 -0700 (PDT) edumom writes:

SOY beans, and ALL non-fermented soy products, are bad for thyroid function

so if I understand this correctly, tofu is to soy beans as yogurt is to milk? and, as yogurt is more digestible/useful to the body, so tofu is less insidious as well?

sincerely, edumom

[Guest guest]

Ok. Lets get down to some more exactness here:

Beans are members of the Legume family. Members of the " legume "

family include nitrogen fixing plants such as lentils, pinto beans,

white peans, cow peas, black eyed peas navy beans, mesquite, peas,

etc, etc. Beans contain phytonutrients, phytates, and isoflavones,

another word for a type of phytoestrogen. All these these are

goitergens and slow thyroid function. Matured dried beans are the

worst. Fermented beans are hugely better. Sprouted beans loose some

of their phytates, but may increase isoflavones. A diet high in

beans is going to slow thyroid function in the average person, not

to mention it may slow the uptake of important minerals.

Phytonutrients and isoflavones are similar to estrogen and in that

way they can also tie up thyroid hormone in the blood like regular

estrogen. Some beans are better than others for one thing or the

other.

So, all things in moderation is the best policy in my book. And if

you are under medicated for your thyroid condition or on all T4, you

might want to be a little more moderate with beans and nuts.

I can go into the poor quality of protein in beans later.

Tish

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Phytoestrogens in beans:

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http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/thyroid.htm

" Phytoestrogens disrupt thyroid function... "

http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/worddocs/phytoreport10.doc

" Phytoestrogens could potentially interact with thyroxine

medication, which is given to patients diagnosed with congenital

hypothyroidism. "

http://www.herbalchem.net/Introductory.htm

---My note---Here you will find all kinds of beans as being high in

phytoestrogens, including pinto beans, etc.

http://www.jeanhailes.org.au/issues/nu_phyto.htm

" Foods containing Phytoestrogens. soy beans. dried beans. tofu.

lentils. tempeh. rice. soy beverages. alfalfa. inseed. mung beans.

sesame seeds... "

http://www.motherearthherbs.com/phytosterols.html

" Isoflavonoids and lignans are the two classes of phytoestrogens.

Foods which contain isoflavonoids: soybeans and products made from

them, black beans, red clover sprouts.. "

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NAH/is_3_29/ai_54189564

" the presence of phytoestrogens in aduki beans "

http://www.arhp.org/healthcareproviders/onlinepublications/healthands

exuality/hormonetherapy/alternativetherpaies.cfm

" phytoestrogens include beans, soy products,

lentils, peas "

http://www.andrews.edu/NUFS/phytoestrogens.htm

" Other legumes, such as various beans, also contain phytoestrogens "

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Phytates in Beans

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http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_Jan/ai_811382

57

" phytates inhibit thyroid peroxidase... "

http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;101/

1/148?

" ...the phytates may have interfered with the uptake of exogenous

thyroid hormone,.. "

http://tropicaltraditions.com/goateinreg.htm

" mineral-blocking phytates and thyroid-depressing phytoestrogens... "

http://www.detailshere.com/lowdownonsoy.htm

" there are literally hundreds of articles on the effects of phytic

acid (phytates) in the current scientific literature. Scientists are

in general agreement that grain- and legume-based diets high in

phytates contribute to widespread mineral deficiencies in third

world countries.. "

http://www.nof.org/prevention/strategies_calcium.htm

" Legumes, such as pinto beans, navy beans, and peas, are high in

phytates.. "

http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm

Scientists are in general agreement that grain- and legume-based

diets high in phytates contribute to widespread mineral deficiencies

in third world countries

http://www.prairieontheweb.com/pseweb/Optimal%20Health%

20Home/tips_on_taking_calcium.htm

" Foods high in phytates include wheat bran and legumes, such as

pinto beans, navy beans, and peas. "

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Legumes and thyroid, which are all beans

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http://www.sare.org/sanet-mg/archives/html-home/32-html/0281.html

" Legumes depress thyroid and mitochondrial function (both

respiration and steroidogenesis) and unsaturated oils by

definition 'rancidify' at body temperature... "

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http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C471059.html

" Sub-clinical hypothyroidism, with raised thyroid stimulating

hormone (TSH) levels but mild or absent overt symptoms, has been

found to be more common among vegans "

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Isoflavones and thyroid

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http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george & dbid=47

" The link between isoflavones and decreased thyroid function is, in

fact, one of the few areas in which flavonoid intake has called into

question as problematic. "

http://goddessdiet.com/Reports/thyroid.htm

" Diet, more than 30 mg of isoflavones can send your thyroid into

shutdown by blocking thyroid peroxidase enzymes and stimulating anti-

thyroid antibodies. "

http://www.medcomres.com/articles/isoflavones_concentration.htm

" Navy, pinto, red, fava, garbanzo and small white beans contain 0.1

to 0.7 mg/100g of isoflavones. "

http://www.askdrsears.com/html/4/T044200.asp

" ..isoflavones can be found in peanuts, lentils, soy, and other

legumes. "

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/foods/legumes/

" Like beans, peas, and lentils, soyfoods are ... legumes, soybeans

contain significant amounts of phytoestrogens (isoflavones) "