Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Sharna, From what I have read, electrolytes are supposed to help with high blood pressure. Such as calcium, magnesium, potassium, and sodium. I highly recommend using a good quality celtic sea salt with your food and also taking a sea mineral supplement such as Pure Aussie Sea minerals.(I have no association with this product, by the way). This product is naturally balanced in minerals and electrolytes. I recently started my daughter with autism on it and I can tell a difference already. ) Also, if you used regular table salt, I would cut it out completely as it has the opposite effect of raw salt and I think it contains aluminum as well. MHO </HTML> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 --- Sharna, " nov58twin2000 " <nov58twin@...> wrote: > I went to see the kidney specialist today and he is insisting that I > start taking both cholesterol medicine and blood pressure medicine. any > ideas on how to avoid both of these. i am not worried about the > cholesterol because I know it is natural and needed. Any suggestions > would be helpful. Sharna, Dr Mercola has a lot of good information about lowering blood pressure without medication, including getting more exercise, losing weight, getting better nutrition: http://www.mercola.com/article/hypertension/index.htm Walking 2+ miles every day and losing weight helped me to lower my blood pressure from around 140/80 to around 125/75, which I think is pretty good for someone who is 54 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Sharna, I recommend reading the book " The High Blood Pressure Solution: A Scientificaly Proven Program for Preventing Strokes and Heart Disease " written by , MD, PhD (which has 54 pages of small type references). In a nutshell he presents the case that deficiencies in magnesium and potassium are the greatest contributers to high blood pressure and stroke. And I offer a correlation that when my otherwise fit and in good health, normal weight, 54-year old sig other had a minor stroke, exceedingly high blood pressure and unexplained acute onset seizures last year, he also had a dangerously low level of potassium. Magnesium was low as well, but his K had almost bottomed out. The book explains the potassium-sodium and magnesium-calcium channels, the cellular and metabolic effects when there is an imbalance and then presents a dietary proposal for helping keep Mag and K high. It's an informative read. As someone else posted, exercise is very important. Fred can dramatically lower his blood pressure with exercise. Magnesium chloride supplements (as well as a mag product called Natural Calm) have also resulted in significant improvements with Fred. When we added Mag chloride to his diet, his numbers dropped, and when he forgets his supplements when he travels abroad (he has done this twice in the last six months), he numbers start to rise again. We monitor his BP closely, and we have also found that when he spends time in the sun (he all but worships the sun God [tongue-in-cheek]), his blood pressure normalizes. I am assuming it is a Vit D issue. We added high vit cod liver oil to his diet during the winter months, and although I think it helps, CLO doesn't lower his BP as much as when he spends time in the sun. I will add, however, that we have not been able to maintain a consistently 'normal' BP without meds. And my recent posts about RO water have me concerned in this area. I hope this personal experience information might be of interest or assistance to you. Very best! Dena > > Sharna, > > From what I have read, electrolytes are supposed to help with high blood > pressure. Such as calcium, magnesium, potassium, and sodium. I highly recommend > using a good quality celtic sea salt with your food and also taking a sea > mineral supplement such as Pure Aussie Sea minerals.(I have no association with this > product, by the way). This product is naturally balanced in minerals and > electrolytes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 On 5/10/07, ginger587@... <ginger587@...> wrote: > From what I have read, electrolytes are supposed to help with high blood > pressure. Such as calcium, magnesium, potassium, and sodium. I highly > recommend > using a good quality celtic sea salt with your food and also taking a sea > mineral supplement such as Pure Aussie Sea minerals.(I have no association > with this > product, by the way). This product is naturally balanced in minerals and > electrolytes. I recently started my daughter with autism on it and I can > tell a > difference already. ) Also, if you used regular table salt, I would cut > it > out completely as it has the opposite effect of raw salt and I think it > contains > aluminum as well. MHO </HTML> I would suggest considering cutting out all salt as an experiment. If you aren't already using unrefined sea salt, I'd cut out salt entirely for a week, see if your blood pressure improves. If it does, add in unrefined sea salt and see what happens. If it goes back up, you know you need to moderate your salt intake, so experiment with different levels and find the one that works. (Not that this should be done exclusively: I second everything else that was said about other minerals and so on.) Chris -- It is the Day of Resurrection Let us be radiant for the festival And let us embrace one another Let us say, brethren, even to those that hate us Let us forgive all things In the Ressurrection And thus let us cry: Christ is risen from the dead, Trampling down death by death, And upon those in the tombs, bestowing life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2007 Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Good point, Chris. One of the major points presented by Dr. is that salt is not the only variable in the high blood pressure 'equation'. He explains in great detail that not only are we in excess of sodium; we are simultaneously deficient in potassium. The goal of his approach is to reverse the balance by creating a higher ratio of potassium to sodium (he calls it " the K Factor " ). If memory serves, the optimal ratio is 4:1. > > > I would suggest considering cutting out all salt as an experiment. If > you aren't already using unrefined sea salt, I'd cut out salt entirely > for a week, see if your blood pressure improves. If it does, add in > unrefined sea salt and see what happens. If it goes back up, you know > you need to moderate your salt intake, so experiment with different > levels and find the one that works. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 You all know of my involvement in the salt/c protocol - one thing we've found and the members were recently discussing is that while taking elevated amounts of salt can raise the blood pressure, on that protocol (equal parts of salt and vitamin C) the high blood pressure of those who were suffering from it before they started the protocol eventually (within months) comes down closer to the normal range. Since this is early on in the protocol, I doubt they've reached the maximum dose of 12-15 grams a day, probably they are taking between 1 gram and 5 grams of each a day. Nobody really knows why, except maybe the people were switching from table salt to salt with more minerals; or I guess maybe they were taking the advice of the group that as you increase salt intake, you need more of the minerals to counter it?? Omega 3's and CoQ 10 are also recommended on the group and they have beneficial effects on high blood pressure, so perhaps that is also a factor, tho many new members don't just go out and buy that stuff immediately. By the way, and I don't want to start a Linus ing debate, but he did have some interesting theories that some are still applying about 2 grams or better a day of ascorbic acid/mineral ascorbates restoring the elasticity of the blood vessels, which lowers the blood pressure and allows plaques to dissolve - the theory is that plaque build-up is the body's attempt to shore up vessels that have lost their elasticity due to chronic low intakes of ascorbic acid which is needed for the cellulase(?) that gives tissue its elasticity. > > > > > > > I would suggest considering cutting out all salt as an experiment. If > > you aren't already using unrefined sea salt, I'd cut out salt entirely > > for a week, see if your blood pressure improves. If it does, add in > > unrefined sea salt and see what happens. If it goes back up, you know > > you need to moderate your salt intake, so experiment with different > > levels and find the one that works. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 Do you know how much CoQ10 would be benificial and the Omega's 3. iam taking flax oil about 4 tablespoons a day. I am taking vitamin C and only use real Salt. I appreciate everyone's input and suggestions. Thank you. sharna haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote: You all know of my involvement in the salt/c protocol - one thing we've found and the members were recently discussing is that while taking elevated amounts of salt can raise the blood pressure, on that protocol (equal parts of salt and vitamin C) the high blood pressure of those who were suffering from it before they started the protocol eventually (within months) comes down closer to the normal range. Since this is early on in the protocol, I doubt they've reached the maximum dose of 12-15 grams a day, probably they are taking between 1 gram and 5 grams of each a day. Nobody really knows why, except maybe the people were switching from table salt to salt with more minerals; or I guess maybe they were taking the advice of the group that as you increase salt intake, you need more of the minerals to counter it?? Omega 3's and CoQ 10 are also recommended on the group and they have beneficial effects on high blood pressure, so perhaps that is also a factor, tho many new members don't just go out and buy that stuff immediately. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 Flax isn't as good a source as fish oil, and I read (in the book about Omega 3's) that the best source is oil from small fish like anchovies because they cannot accumulate as many toxins in their fat as fish higher in the food chain. Trader Joe's has some omega 3's fish oil that is from anchovies for a reasonable price. The reason for using the fish oil is that vegetable sources still need to be processed by the body into the right form, and you don't know how well your body can do this. Another problem with flax oil is the phytoestrogens in it. I fought folks on this issue initially, but then did wind up having symptoms of estrogen dominance! I recently read that some sources of CoQ 10 (the cheaper ones) do not have as much in them as they lead you to believe. So maybe it depends on the source, how much you need to take. That said, I was using the pretty cheap ones from Puritan's Pride (30 mg caps) and noticed improvements in mood and energy. > You all know of my involvement in the salt/c protocol - one thing > we've found and the members were recently discussing is that while > taking elevated amounts of salt can raise the blood pressure, on that > protocol (equal parts of salt and vitamin C) the high blood pressure > of those who were suffering from it before they started the protocol > eventually (within months) comes down closer to the normal range. > Since this is early on in the protocol, I doubt they've reached the > maximum dose of 12-15 grams a day, probably they are taking between 1 > gram and 5 grams of each a day. Nobody really knows why, except maybe > the people were switching from table salt to salt with more minerals; > or I guess maybe they were taking the advice of the group that as you > increase salt intake, you need more of the minerals to counter it?? > > Omega 3's and CoQ 10 are also recommended on the group and they have > beneficial effects on high blood pressure, so perhaps that is also a > factor, tho many new members don't just go out and buy that stuff > immediately. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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