Guest guest Posted February 25, 2000 Report Share Posted February 25, 2000 not sure I can be of much help, but sure do understand. I've been having trouble with a tooth off and on for the past year and think sinus pressure kicks it off. Endodontist and dentist can't seem to determine if it really needs a root canal, but knowing the concerns of " trapped bacteria " , I felt the same way you did. I discussed the bacteria problem and those theories with the endodonist. He even had an autographed copy of the guy who proposed that theory (name not coming to mind at the moment), but of course if he was to believe that theory, he wouldn't have a practice, so obviously he didn't pay much attention to it. I didn't want a root canal, but didn't want the tooth yanked either. Couldn't put a bridge in cause it was a back molar and nothing to anchor to. Fortunately, tooth has calmed down since sinus pressure has backed off so I am doing nothing. But I have one root canal in my head, so you never know. Yanking teeth is not something to be taken lightly either, on the other hand. So after all that rambling, I'm not sure what to advise you. Have you discussed this theory with the endodonist? What's his take on it? Mark rheumatic root canal > From: mimianne@... > > i am absolutely freaking out. i know this issue has been tossed > around on this list before. but i just found out yesterday that i have > a " failed " root canal. and apparently it has been " bad " for 3 yrs. > now and my RA started 3 mo. after i got this tooth done!!!! > t has never hurt, only felt a little strange. so i was not too worried > about it. now i am freaking out because of articles on the internet. > i have read all the stuff i can find but am wondering if anyone has > experienced this first hand. has anyone gotten a tooth extracted > and their arthritis NOT gotten any better??? i really hate to get a > tooth taken out if ANOTHER root canal could possibly fix the > problem. ANY IDEAS???? THANKS! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Show your style! Choose from 6 great card designs when you > apply for Capital One's 9.9% Fixed APR Visa Platinum. > 1/1894/0/_/532797/_/951492934/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2000 Report Share Posted February 25, 2000 Mimianne, I won't pretend to have any advice for you but I can say my RA started exactly 2 weeks after I got my first and only root canal. I still have the tooth but have debated myself about getting it pulled. I have decided to never have another root canal and do everything possible to avoid needing one. Good luck deciding what to do. If you do decide to get it pulled and your symptoms improve, please let us know. It might just spur me into action myself. Hugs, a Peden mimianne@... wrote: > > i am absolutely freaking out. i know this issue has been tossed > around on this list before. but i just found out yesterday that i have > a " failed " root canal. and apparently it has been " bad " for 3 yrs. > now and my RA started 3 mo. after i got this tooth done!!!! > t has never hurt, only felt a little strange. so i was not too worried > about it. now i am freaking out because of articles on the internet. > i have read all the stuff i can find but am wondering if anyone has > experienced this first hand. has anyone gotten a tooth extracted > and their arthritis NOT gotten any better??? i really hate to get a > tooth taken out if ANOTHER root canal could possibly fix the > problem. ANY IDEAS???? THANKS! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2000 Report Share Posted February 25, 2000 Hi, I have to get a root canal done too and am wondering about it also. I would have the tooth out if I thought there could be a problem. Sometimes I think maybe false teeth would be a good idea. Just have em all out! I have to get a lot of dental work done in the near future. Yuk! Bev > > i am absolutely freaking out. i know this issue has been tossed > around on this list before. but i just found out yesterday that i have > a " failed " root canal. and apparently it has been " bad " for 3 yrs. > now and my RA started 3 mo. after i got this tooth done!!!! > t has never hurt, only felt a little strange. so i was not too worried > about it. now i am freaking out because of articles on the internet. > i have read all the stuff i can find but am wondering if anyone has > experienced this first hand. has anyone gotten a tooth extracted > and their arthritis NOT gotten any better??? i really hate to get a > tooth taken out if ANOTHER root canal could possibly fix the > problem. ANY IDEAS???? THANKS! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2000 Report Share Posted February 25, 2000 Hi Mimi! Geoff Crenshaw here. > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:25:51 +0000 > From: mimianne@... > Subject: root canal > > i am absolutely freaking out. i know this issue has been tossed > around on this list before. but i just found out yesterday that i have > a " failed " root canal. and apparently it has been " bad " for 3 yrs. > now and my RA started 3 mo. after i got this tooth done!!!! > t has never hurt, only felt a little strange. so i was not too worried > about it. now i am freaking out because of articles on the internet. > i have read all the stuff i can find but am wondering if anyone has > experienced this first hand. has anyone gotten a tooth extracted > and their arthritis NOT gotten any better??? i really hate to get a > tooth taken out if ANOTHER root canal could possibly fix the > problem. ANY IDEAS???? THANKS! A root canal cannot hurt nor report any feeling whatsoever no matter how badly it gets infected -- after all, the object of a " root canal " is to remove the nerve. No nerve=no feeling whatsoever. You would have to have neural input from a discrete location to feel anything at all, or an incompetent root canal leaving a live vestige of a nerve. If you have the funds, consider removal of the tooth, debridement & guided bone restoration followed by a titanium implant and crown. You can find quite a discussion and a number of links on the subject by searching this list's archives at ONElist. HTH Regards, Geoff Crenshaw, ACC ----------------------- Captain Cook's Cruise Center ** Usual Disclaimers ** ----------------------- Why do I have hope? Because I am under the blood of the Passover Lamb. EXO 12:7-3 / MAR 14:24 / REV 12:11 ICQ 60333388 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2000 Report Share Posted February 25, 2000 Geoff wrote > A root canal cannot hurt nor report any feeling whatsoever no matter how > badly it gets infected -- after all, the object of a " root canal " is to > remove the nerve. Geoff, wouldn't the infection spread to the surrounding gum tissue where the nerves were still intact? Liz G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2000 Report Share Posted February 25, 2000 Hi everyone: I too am a lot concerned about the root canal " business " . My story is this: I had to go two or three times, can't remember now how many-to the dentist's office where this dentist TRIED and TRIED to DO a root canal. But it could never be done. My tooth (or canals) had calcified and they drilled and drilled and picked and poked and no way could they get through. Well, basically they thought they were going to do a regular root canal, and part of my tooth was gone!!!!! They " cemented " basically what is a tip or cap onto the part of the tooth that was left . IT IS A FRONT TOOTH. It matches, and you can not tell which part is " fake " and which part is real. It does feel a LITTLE STRANGE and I cannot " bite " down on that tooth with serious eating, or I am afraid it will break off. So that is my situation. I had (or tried to have) the root canal because it was indeed a front tooth. So why it was calcified I don't know. But I AM WONDERING. IS THERE STILL INFECTION AND A POSSIBLE OLD ABSCESS THAT IS REALLY STILL UP THERE> PROBABLY> Because they could not " clean out " the canals, they could not reach them. Sorry to make this SO LONG, but these are some of the things that concern me. AND YES, my fibromyalgia and RA have gotten worse, and after that I was in the hospital for asthma/bronchitis, weakened immunity state. WOW- WHO KNOWS? Of course, the dentist, says No problem. It will work out OK. It should be fine. AND CHARGED BIG TIME. for really not doing the root canal. AND YES, sometimes I think -hey just pull them all. I have a cousin who had her teeth extracted when she was around 19 years old I guess, she says she has never missed her teeth, and does great with dentures - she says it is just like you, Martha, wearing contact lenses, you do OK right So who knows. ALL I KNOW IF YOU DO GET TEETH EXTRACTED TAKE THOSE ANTIBIOTICS! THANKS FOR LISTENING. Martha from St. Augustine, Fla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2000 Report Share Posted February 26, 2000 Ive had three teeth pulled because I cant afford all those caps or canals. Now the dentists here wont pull a molar anymore and make you go to an oral surgeon who charges as much as a cap to pull the tooth. And none of them will except payments. Anyway I finally decided if more needed caps I would have them all pulled and get false ones. Then I find that because I am one of those people who has those thick bony ridges just below the teeth that to get false teeth you have to go in hospital and have those ridges cut away. I have older friend who got false teeth some time ago and she gave up wearing them. She says she can eat almost anything and if its something really needs chewing she can just cut it up fine and gum it to death. You dont even notice she has no teeth. So I have decided Ill probably go that route. Vanity left me long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2000 Report Share Posted February 28, 2000 > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:29:42 -0800 > From: " Liz G. " <pioneer@...> > Subject: Re: Re: root canal > > Geoff wrote > > A root canal cannot hurt nor report any feeling whatsoever no matter how > > badly it gets infected -- after all, the object of a " root canal " is to > > remove the nerve. > > Geoff, wouldn't the infection spread to the surrounding gum tissue where the > nerves were still intact? Liz G Not necessarily. They would tend to take opportunistic routes, including the bony channel, etc. Additionally, many people have some degree of bacterial gum infection - witnessed by bleeding on brushing, flossing, dental cleaning, etc. Healthy gums don't bleed unless cut - and yet these infections are normally painless. Another important thing to remember is bone reclusion... when you pull a tooth the bone in the jaw does not grow back straight across the hole, it dips in. Without a tooth in that place, the bone there will continue to diminish (reclusion) -- up to 1/8 " per year according to dental studies! (If interested search it out and compare with allowances from insur/medical/medicare etc.) These bodies of ours don't come with spare parts (usually), despite the arrogant assertion by " modern " science that if " they " don't know what the part is used for, it is unnecessary. Removal of parts carries continuing costs and a jaw bone on the order of 1/4 " thick is no laughing matter (literally - it will break!) So when you get ready to yank that tooth, consider the existing thickness of your jaw, the healing, supplemental use of microcrystalline hydroxyappetite (see list archive), age and anticipated life span from date of extraction. This can be a very nasty area of not handled properly. HTH Regards, Geoff Crenshaw, ACC ----------------------- Captain Cook's Cruise Center ** Usual Disclaimers ** ----------------------- Why do I have hope? Because I am under the blood of the Passover Lamb. EXO 12:7-3 / MAR 14:24 / REV 12:11 ICQ 60333388 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2000 Report Share Posted February 28, 2000 Come to think of it, I've had eight teeth out for 20 or more years--no sign of bone loss here, either. Jean > From: " SC " <sasc@...> > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:16:31 -0600 > <rheumaticonelist>, " Geoff Crenshaw " <geoff@...> > Subject: Re: rheumatic Re: root canal > > Thats baloney. Ive had three teeth out for as long as twenty years and the > bone hasnt diminished at all. Only thing thats happened is my very tight teeth > to start, with have separated a very little bit in some places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2000 Report Share Posted February 28, 2000 I hear from so many people who had teeth or gum infections or problems prior to getting the first symptoms of rheumatic disease. Chris. >From: mimianne@... > >sarah, if i did not already have so many problems i would just yank >the thing. life long acne, moles, tetracycline stained teeth, and >NOW this damn potential hole in my mouth!!!!!! guess it works >both ways, if i was perfect, i would really, REALLY be upset. just >another " flaw " to add to the list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks for all the >responses to the root canal delima. i emailed my RA and i sent >the xray of tooth off to a root canal guy. i hope they can give me >some DIRECTION. reading the mycoplasm stuff and the > " underlying " infection theory ... really makes me want to yank it. >the only problem is that i don't feel pain and 6 months of >minocycline did not do anything for me RA wise. just wondering if i >really have an infection in the tooth (the root canal has been bad >apparently for 3 years). THANKS ALL. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Tired of missing calls while online? Now you can surf the Internet >without worrying about missing important calls! CallWave's FREE >Internet Answering Machine lets you hear who's calling while online. >1/1927/0/_/532797/_/951747680/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2000 Report Share Posted February 29, 2000 Hi Gang! Geoff Crenshaw here. wrote: > Thats baloney. Ive had three teeth out for as long as twenty years and the > bone hasnt diminished at all. Only thing thats happened is my very tight teeth > to start, with have separated a very little bit in some places. And wrote: > Come to think of it, I've had eight teeth out for 20 or more years--no sign > of bone loss here, either. I'm sorry, but I really don't want to get into a big thing about this. Here, go take a look at this article: http://www.tambcd.edu/DentalCE/dsc/ARCHIVES/oc93ap94/oct/dscgrib.htm (The) Article discusses results two years after mandibular bone reduction in patients treated with immediate overdentures or complete dentures. (Translation: it discusses the amount of bone loss using different methods, i.e., reclusion.) Here's a brief for you: Results: The differences in bone loss were significant in all clusters during the first and second years. The immediate overdenture group showed less bone loss in every area, sometimes as much as two to three times less. The differences were significantly greater during the first year. ------- Next: The best method available today for nonsurgically reviewing the bone mass teeth and jaw is the Panorex photo. The Panorex is a unit wherein the patient's head is lightly but firmly held in place and the x-ray device goes around the face producing a full view of the entire jaw. The x-ray is digitized and can be output to laser, film or disc. Here is a link for those interested (there are doubtless better links on this device, but this one is relatively quick, gives good photos, and I haven't the time to look further.) http://www.harringtonorthodontics.com/Cl%20II%20DB%20Panorex.htm OK, HTH all those considering tooth extractions make informed decisions, especially about those things of which we are not always informed by those who perform these procedures. Regards, Geoff Crenshaw, ACC ----------------------- Captain Cook's Cruise Center ** Usual Disclaimers ** ----------------------- Why do I have hope? Because I am under the blood of the Passover Lamb. EXO 12:7-3 / MAR 14:24 / REV 12:11 ICQ 60333388 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2000 Report Share Posted April 26, 2000 My RA started after a bunch of my teeth needed root canals, I'd have it out if I were you--I had mine out and can't say that I noticed a big change, but maybe a gradual change. Either way, I have also read root canals are bad for RA and would never have another one personally. I had a bunch of teeth pulled and know it was tramatic. I really don't know how to get the sockets cleaned out now that they are pulled, I am on long term antibiotics. I am using partials, because I had a bridge that went bad underneath. The partials aren't so bad, esp upper. Sorry so late in response, but been away for awhile and just catching up. << i am absolutely freaking out. i know this issue has been tossed around on this list before. but i just found out yesterday that i have a " failed " root canal. and apparently it has been " bad " for 3 yrs. now and my RA started 3 mo. after i got this tooth done!!!! t has never hurt, only felt a little strange. so i was not too worried about it. now i am freaking out because of articles on the internet. i have read all the stuff i can find but am wondering if anyone has experienced this first hand. has anyone gotten a tooth extracted and their arthritis NOT gotten any better??? i really hate to get a tooth taken out if ANOTHER root canal could possibly fix the problem. ANY IDEAS???? THANKS! >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Hi all, My mum is plotting to get herself a root canal filling just as soon as she can find a cheap dentist in France. Can anyone point me to a concise and convincing explanation of why this is not a good idea? Ideally something that doesn't sound too conspiracy-theoryish or have lots of exclamation marks.... :-) By the way, anyone know if it's possible to get a denture for just one missing tooth? If I'm going to talk her out of it, it would be nice to know there are acceptable alternatives to a gap.... Gracias, Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 I have a gap in my mouth because of a molar extracted long ago and left unfilled which has resulted in the neighbouring teeth slanting into the gap.Extraction of a tooth must be followed by filling the gap with an implant or some device that will prevent other teeth from shifting....the orthodontist has listed 3 options for me 1. A sort of metal plate that keeps the side teeth from slanting into the gap.cheapest option but involves unsightly metal plates being in the mouth making you lisp etc. 2.An adhesive implant where a tooth is fitted into the gap and is glued to adhere to the neighbouring teeth.The downside of this option for molars is the wear and tear from frequent chewing and may require replacement from time to time.So it is not a one time cost.Though it is 1/3 rd the price of a titanium post. 3.Titanium post implanr.This is the orthodontist recommended option obviously! I have not begun my research on the long term effects of the insertion of a titanium post into the gums.I look to the wise members of this group to advise. Hope this helps. Rachna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2006 Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 I too will wait to see the long term results of this one, as I am considering implants. http://www.boxertown.com Re: Re: Root canal I have a gap in my mouth because of a molar extracted long ago and left unfilled which has resulted in the neighbouring teeth slanting into the gap.Extraction of a tooth must be followed by filling the gap with an implant or some device that will prevent other teeth from shifting....the orthodontist has listed 3 options for me 1. A sort of metal plate that keeps the side teeth from slanting into the gap.cheapest option but involves unsightly metal plates being in the mouth making you lisp etc. 2.An adhesive implant where a tooth is fitted into the gap and is glued to adhere to the neighbouring teeth.The downside of this option for molars is the wear and tear from frequent chewing and may require replacement from time to time.So it is not a one time cost.Though it is 1/3 rd the price of a titanium post. 3.Titanium post implanr.This is the orthodontist recommended option obviously! I have not begun my research on the long term effects of the insertion of a titanium post into the gums.I look to the wise members of this group to advise. Hope this helps. Rachna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 Yes - any and every root canal is a problem, no matter what any holistic dentist will tell you, especially if your child already suffers from immune dysfunction. There is no root canal in the world that can rid the MILES of dentin tubules of the bacteria that will take up residence there after the root is gone. These bacteria will supply a constant stream of toxins into your son's body and he WILL be sick. I know it sounds alarmist but I wish I'd listened to those who tried to tell me this 4 years ago before I had one (yes, the " holistic " type). That root canal destroyed 4 years of my life, my finances and several work and personal relationships. Do your son a favor and HAVE THAT TOOTH EXTRACTED!!! There are replacement options (not implants)..... Good luck! Bonnie mom114425 <JLJukoski@...> wrote: I think my son is going to need a root canal. It is one of his two front teeth. He had a fall and broke it - and now it looks like an infection is setting in. We are planning to do the alternative-type root canal (don't remember what it is called) that holistic dentists do. As this is one of his two front teeth, he definitely needs to have a tooth there. Are there any long-term risks associated with this type of root canal? Thanks. --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Search weather shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 This is one of my son's top two front teeth. I cannot have him without a tooth there. What are the replacement options? > I think my son is going to need a root canal. It is one of his two > front teeth. He had a fall and broke it - and now it looks like an > infection is setting in. > > We are planning to do the alternative-type root canal (don't remember > what it is called) that holistic dentists do. As this is one of his > two front teeth, he definitely needs to have a tooth there. Are there > any long-term risks associated with this type of root canal? > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast > with the Search weather shortcut. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 This is one of my son's top two front teeth. I cannot have him without a tooth there. What are the replacement options? > I think my son is going to need a root canal. It is one of his two > front teeth. He had a fall and broke it - and now it looks like an > infection is setting in. > > We are planning to do the alternative-type root canal (don't remember > what it is called) that holistic dentists do. As this is one of his > two front teeth, he definitely needs to have a tooth there. Are there > any long-term risks associated with this type of root canal? > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast > with the Search weather shortcut. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 You'd need to talk to your dentist about this - I'm not sure if a bridge is a possibility on a front tooth but there are also partials. I think you would also be wise to do research on root canals instead of just relying on what people here say about them. One good reference for this is the book " Root Canal Cover-up " and you can find info by googling. Just please don't be fooled by these " holistic " root canals that are being talked about. These are a relatively new procedure and most dentists don't really pay attention to any negative feedback from patients that may have problems with them, not to mention the patient may not even realize what that root canal is doing to them. Mine was very sneaky, I tolerated it at first but after about two months, then my candida got worse than it has ever been, my allergies increased and worsened in severity, I lost weight, strength, tolerance to almost all foods, etc., - this happened slowly and progressivly over many months and it took a lot of research and putting the puzzle together for me to realize that it was the root canal. I had it removed this past June and with the proper supplementation and hormonal support, etc. everything is slowly getting better, but it's an uphill battle and I'm still not as good as I was before the procedure. My root canal was worse then any mercury exposure or vaccine I ever had, including having 8 amalgams removed with no protection and swallowing chunks of them. It is a hard decision and I didn't want to lose my tooth either - thus the suffering with it for so many years - but when I finally got it out, I was angry at myself for not just getting extracted initially. I could have saved years of suffering, thousands of dollars of supplements and other medical costs and the psychological torment that it caused. mom114425 <JLJukoski@...> wrote: This is one of my son's top two front teeth. I cannot have him without a tooth there. What are the replacement options? > I think my son is going to need a root canal. It is one of his two > front teeth. He had a fall and broke it - and now it looks like an > infection is setting in. > > We are planning to do the alternative-type root canal (don't remember > what it is called) that holistic dentists do. As this is one of his > two front teeth, he definitely needs to have a tooth there. Are there > any long-term risks associated with this type of root canal? > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast > with the Search weather shortcut. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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