Re: Best Multivitamin?

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What do you think of Garden of Life's " Living Multi " ?

http://www.gardenoflife.com/detail_living_men.shtml

Interesting concept - but it has even more beta carotene

- 44,000 IU!!!

Like Dr Ron's, it doesn't have magenesium stearate, but I would like

to find a multi that will complement CLO with natural vitamin A and D.

Ideally it would have not too much natural vitamin A with only a

small amount of beta carotene.

I have been using Nature's Way " Alive! " , but it has magensium stearate

so I am looking for an alternative.

>

> I'm wondering what the best multivatamin to take would be.

>

> My first thought is Dr. Ron's. I think there are a couple

> questionable things about it:

>

> -- He uses ALA, presumably the racemic mixture, instead of R-ALA

> -- It has 25,000 IU of carotenes, which I think is excessive

>

> I'm less sure if it should be a concern that the tocotriene complex

> comes from rice bran. I would like to see it isolated from palm oil

> or something instead, but I don't actually know that this should be an

> issue of concern.

>

> That said, Dr. Ron's is certainly at the top of the list. Does anyone

> know of one better?

>

> I'm particularly interested in 's thoughts, but I would like input

> from everyone who wants to offer theirs.

>

> Thanks!

> Chris

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm wondering what the best multivatamin to take would be.

>

> My first thought is Dr. Ron's. I think there are a couple

> questionable things about it:

>

> -- He uses ALA, presumably the racemic mixture, instead of R-ALA

> -- It has 25,000 IU of carotenes, which I think is excessive

>

> I'm less sure if it should be a concern that the tocotriene complex

> comes from rice bran. I would like to see it isolated from palm oil

> or something instead, but I don't actually know that this should be an

> issue of concern.

>

> That said, Dr. Ron's is certainly at the top of the list. Does anyone

> know of one better?

>

> I'm particularly interested in 's thoughts, but I would like input

> from everyone who wants to offer theirs.

has abandoned us! Though I'm sure--err, know, as do you--he

abhors multi's.

What exactly, are you trying to accomplish?

With all you you know of nutrition and superfoods, why take a multi?

I'm guessing because of time constraints?

B.

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On 4/8/06, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

> has abandoned us! Though I'm sure--err, know, as do you--he

> abhors multi's.

I didn't know that. You mean on principle, or because there's no good ones?

> What exactly, are you trying to accomplish?

> With all you you know of nutrition and superfoods, why take a multi?

> I'm guessing because of time constraints?

It isn't for me; it's for if someone asks me if their vitamins are

good to take, I have something to recommend when I point out that the

ones they're taking are crap.

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On 4/8/06, <oz4caster@...> wrote:

> What do you think of Garden of Life's " Living Multi " ?

> http://www.gardenoflife.com/detail_living_men.shtml

> Interesting concept - but it has even more beta carotene

> - 44,000 IU!!!

I would toss this one out as a multivitamin simply because it has no

vitamin A. I suppose it might be good supplemented with cod liver

oil, but I think that 44,000 IU of beta carotene is wildly excessive.

> Like Dr Ron's, it doesn't have magenesium stearate, but I would like

> to find a multi that will complement CLO with natural vitamin A and D.

> Ideally it would have not too much natural vitamin A with only a

> small amount of beta carotene.

Why " not too much natural vitamin A? " Because you are getting plenty

from the cod liver oil?

Chris

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--- In , " Masterjohn "

wrote:

>

> I'm wondering what the best multivatamin to take would be.

>

> My first thought is Dr. Ron's. I think there are a couple

> questionable things about it:

>

> -- He uses ALA, presumably the racemic mixture, instead of R-ALA

> -- It has 25,000 IU of carotenes, which I think is excessive

>

> I'm less sure if it should be a concern that the tocotriene complex

> comes from rice bran. I would like to see it isolated from palm oil

> or something instead, but I don't actually know that this should be an

> issue of concern.

>

> That said, Dr. Ron's is certainly at the top of the list. Does anyone

> know of one better?

>

> I'm particularly interested in 's thoughts, but I would like input

> from everyone who wants to offer theirs.

has abandoned us! Though I'm sure--err, know, as do you--he

abhors multi's.

What exactly, are you trying to accomplish?

With all you you know of nutrition and superfoods, why take a multi?

I'm guessing because of time constraints?

B.

Not speaking for but I'd think his reasoning against multis would be

individual components are not from optimal sources, antagonists together and

best times to take individual components. My 2 cents is any individual requires

more, less or none of any of the multi components and the parts they don't

require can adversely affect the ones they need.

Haven't heard back from since I wrote him few weeks back for digest fix

advice. Did digests straighten out? All moderations I've put through since.

Apologies to anyone this week whose message did not go through as quickly as

usual. Lost my Mom to diabetes last Saturday. Am concerned about although

he'd said he might move to the West Coast and could have forgot to tell me.

Wanita

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> Haven't heard back from since I wrote him few weeks back for

digest fix advice... Lost my Mom to diabetes last Saturday. Am

concerned about although he'd said he might move to the West

Coast and could have forgot to tell me.

>

Wanita,

he text message'd me last weekend. Just otherwise-occupied. Hope he

moves out here!

So sorry about your loss.

B.

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> I didn't know that. You mean on principle, or because there's no

good ones?

On the principle that there are no good ones? He takes a lot of supps

himself, so he's not against supps, but he is fanatical regarding

ingredients and, well, you know, there's nothing with multiple

ingredients that will satisfy him.

> It isn't for me; it's for if someone asks me if their vitamins are

> good to take, I have something to recommend when I point out that the

> ones they're taking are crap.

Ron's article on supps is a good read for someone like that, if they

are willing. On his website.

If someone was determined to take a multi, I would suggest Ron's. But

it is cost-prohibitive, no?

B.

[Guest guest]

> >... I would like to find a multi that will complement the natural

> >vitamin A and D in CLO. Ideally the multi would have not too

> >much natural vitamin A with only a small amount of beta carotene.

> >

>

> Why " not too much natural vitamin A? " Because you are getting

> plenty from the cod liver oil?

>

> Chris

> --

I am leary of even 25,000 IU of beta carotene in Dr Ron's multi. I

wonder if he would consider reducing it? I have also been thinking

about dropping the multi now that I am getting a more nutritious diet.

I have been trying Dr Mercola's " Whey Healthier " protein powder,

which has some added vitamins, to which I blend in 3 raw free range

eggs and add raw grass fed milk and sometimes add some raw cream.

It's like a milk shake and tastes good. However, the protein powder

is very expensive and I'm not sure I need it, especially with the raw

milk and cream. The protein powder also has xylitol, which may not be

the greatest sweetner (but Mercola seems to think it's OK).

I've been eating grass fed burgers several times a week and free range

chicken. I have read that they provide B vitamins, including B6 and

B12, and some minerals - but I don't know how much they provide or if

it is enough. I'm sure it's bound to vary a lot depending on the

animals' actual diet (which may not always be as advertised). We've

also been eating organic spinach several times a week and it should

have good vitamins and minerals as well, but this may also vary a lot

depending on the health of the soil it was raised in. How can you be

sure you're getting enough vitamins and minerals from food?

[Guest guest]

On 4/8/06, <oz4caster@...> wrote:

> > Why " not too much natural vitamin A? " Because you are getting

> > plenty from the cod liver oil?

> I am leary of even 25,000 IU of beta carotene in Dr Ron's multi.

So am I, but I was asking you why you would want " not too much natural

vitamin A; " I wasn't questioning why you would want that " with only a

small amount of beta carotene. "

> How can you be

> sure you're getting enough vitamins and minerals from food?

I guess the best test would be to see if adding supplements to your

diet hurts or helps your health.

Chris

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So sorry about your mom. Losing mine was the most profound event in my

life.

On Apr 8, 2006, at 12:00 PM, Wanita wrote:

>

>>

>> I'm wondering what the best multivatamin to take would be.

>>

>> My first thought is Dr. Ron's. I think there are a couple

>> questionable things about it:

>>

>> -- He uses ALA, presumably the racemic mixture, instead of R-ALA

>> -- It has 25,000 IU of carotenes, which I think is excessive

>>

>> I'm less sure if it should be a concern that the tocotriene complex

>> comes from rice bran. I would like to see it isolated from palm oil

>> or something instead, but I don't actually know that this should be an

>> issue of concern.

>>

>> That said, Dr. Ron's is certainly at the top of the list. Does anyone

>> know of one better?

>>

>> I'm particularly interested in 's thoughts, but I would like input

>> from everyone who wants to offer theirs.

>

>

> has abandoned us! Though I'm sure--err, know, as do you--he

> abhors multi's.

> What exactly, are you trying to accomplish?

> With all you you know of nutrition and superfoods, why take a multi?

> I'm guessing because of time constraints?

> B.

>

> Not speaking for but I'd think his reasoning against multis

> would be individual components are not from optimal sources,

> antagonists together and best times to take individual components. My

> 2 cents is any individual requires more, less or none of any of the

> multi components and the parts they don't require can adversely affect

> the ones they need.

>

> Haven't heard back from since I wrote him few weeks back for

> digest fix advice. Did digests straighten out? All moderations I've

> put through since. Apologies to anyone this week whose message did not

> go through as quickly as usual. Lost my Mom to diabetes last Saturday.

> Am concerned about although he'd said he might move to the West

> Coast and could have forgot to tell me.

>

> Wanita

>

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[Guest guest]

Sally Fallon is very agains protein powders and especially whey powder

because they are very fragile and break into free radicals.

On Apr 8, 2006, at 12:48 PM, wrote:

>

>>> ... I would like to find a multi that will complement the natural

>>> vitamin A and D in CLO. Ideally the multi would have not too

>>> much natural vitamin A with only a small amount of beta carotene.

>>>

>>

>> Why " not too much natural vitamin A? " Because you are getting

>> plenty from the cod liver oil?

>>

>> Chris

>> --

>

> I am leary of even 25,000 IU of beta carotene in Dr Ron's multi. I

> wonder if he would consider reducing it? I have also been thinking

> about dropping the multi now that I am getting a more nutritious diet.

> I have been trying Dr Mercola's " Whey Healthier " protein powder,

> which has some added vitamins, to which I blend in 3 raw free range

> eggs and add raw grass fed milk and sometimes add some raw cream.

> It's like a milk shake and tastes good. However, the protein powder

> is very expensive and I'm not sure I need it, especially with the raw

> milk and cream. The protein powder also has xylitol, which may not be

> the greatest sweetner (but Mercola seems to think it's OK).

>

> I've been eating grass fed burgers several times a week and free range

> chicken. I have read that they provide B vitamins, including B6 and

> B12, and some minerals - but I don't know how much they provide or if

> it is enough. I'm sure it's bound to vary a lot depending on the

> animals' actual diet (which may not always be as advertised). We've

> also been eating organic spinach several times a week and it should

> have good vitamins and minerals as well, but this may also vary a lot

> depending on the health of the soil it was raised in. How can you be

> sure you're getting enough vitamins and minerals from food?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> Not speaking for but I'd think his reasoning against multis

>would be individual components are not from optimal sources,

>antagonists together and best times to take individual components.

>My 2 cents is any individual requires more, less or none of any of

>the multi components and the parts they don't require can

>adversely affect the ones they need.

>

> Haven't heard back from since I wrote him few weeks back

>for digest fix advice. Did digests straighten out? All moderations

>I've put through since. Apologies to anyone this week whose

>message did not go through as quickly as usual. Lost my Mom to

>diabetes last Saturday. Am concerned about although he'd said

>he might move to the West Coast and could have forgot to tell me.

>

> Wanita

Wanita, I am so so sorry to hear about your mom! I can only imagine how

difficult this must be for you. Just know you are in my thoughts.

Re the multis, I don't think a multi exists that has non-toxic or

problematic components. I think you are quite right for the most part about

what 's objections would be. From private conversations, I would say

that what he'd object to the most would be the *forms* the vits and minerals

are in. A few examples of problematic forms would be pyroxidine instead of

P5P (B6), biotin as opposed to d-biotin, alpha lipoic acid instead of

r-lipoic acid and cyanocobalimin rather than methyl-, hyrdoxy- or

adenosalcobalamin to name a few.

has a shoulder injury which is preventing him from spending much time

on the computer at the moment, but hopefully he'll be back with us in the

not too distant future!

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> > I have been trying Dr Mercola's " Whey Healthier " protein powder,

> > which has some added vitamins, to which I blend in 3 raw free

> > range eggs and add raw grass fed milk and sometimes add some raw

> > cream. It's like a milk shake and tastes good. However, the

> > protein powderis very expensive and I'm not sure I need it,

> > especially with the raw milk and cream. The protein powder also

> > has xylitol, which may not be the greatest sweetner (but Mercola

> > seems to think it's OK).

Yes and I have also read that she does not recommend xylitol. But,

Mercola claims his whey protein powder is:

" a custom-made non-denatured, whey protein concentrate that undergoes

a very unique pasteurization process to maintain the full range of ALL

fragile regenerative components naturally present in fresh raw milk " .

Whether this is true, I don't know, but I'm not sure I want to pay a

premium price for it since I have recently been able to obtain raw

milk which is probably better anyway. Even Mercola says he uses it

mainly when he is traveling and doesn't have access to healthier

alternatives.

[Guest guest]

>

> .... I was asking you why you would want " not too much natural

> vitamin A "

>

Unless someone designs a multi with no vitamin A or D to be used with

CLO, I'm thinking it would be best to have only a small amount of

vitamin A and D if the multi is to be used with CLO - maybe no more

than about 5,000 IU of A and 400 IU of D.

I also want to make sure that I get CLO that still has it's natural A

and D intact - rather than synthetic additives. I read the article by

Wetzel on the WAPF web site. He says that Garden of Life and Dr

Ron's CLO have the natural A and D, but I am wondering about

Carlson's, which he does not mention?

I'm still not sure if I want to continue with a multi, since many

people for thousands of years have gotten along just fine without one.

Maybe it would be better to use specific foods or food concentrates

(like CLO) to address symptoms that indicate deficiencies?

[Guest guest]

> I also want to make sure that I get CLO that still has it's natural A

> and D intact - rather than synthetic additives. I read the article by

> Wetzel on the WAPF web site. He says that Garden of Life and Dr

> Ron's CLO have the natural A and D, but I am wondering about

> Carlson's, which he does not mention?

>

> I'm still not sure if I want to continue with a multi, since many

> people for thousands of years have gotten along just fine without one.

> Maybe it would be better to use specific foods or food concentrates

> (like CLO) to address symptoms that indicate deficiencies?

,

Dr. Ron's clo is Dave Wetzel's clo. Carlson's has the natural

vitamins but much of the A has been removed so one must take a large

amount of PUFA in order to get a good dose of A, thus Blue Ice/Dr.

Ron's clo are your best value.

So, what sort of deficiencies are we talking about?

B.

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> Whether this is true, I don't know, but I'm not sure I want to pay a

> premium price for it since I have recently been able to obtain raw

> milk which is probably better anyway. Even Mercola says he uses it

> mainly when he is traveling and doesn't have access to healthier

> alternatives.

,

If you wish to save your money, forget the whey and add liver to your

diet. No need for B-vites, either.

B.

[Guest guest]

Lost my Mom to diabetes last Saturday. >

> Wanita

>

{{{Wanita}}} So sorry for your loss. May she find peace and joy and

may you find acceptance and peace as well. May her strength reinforce

your own, may her wisdom flow through you, may the ties that bind you

be only transformed.

Connie H.

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>

> > I'm still not sure if I want to continue with a multi, since many

> > people for thousands of years have gotten along just fine without

> > one. Maybe it would be better to use specific foods or food

> > concentrates (like CLO) to address symptoms that indicate

> > deficiencies?

>

> ,

> So, what sort of deficiencies are we talking about?

> B.

>

,

My family has a number of health problems that I am hoping to address

mainly by improving our diet, if possible. I have managed to lose 20

lb over the last year, but I still want to lose another 20 to 30 lb to

get back to what I weighed about 15 to 20 years ago. I have allergies

that only started shortly after I took my first antibiotic as an adult

(what a coincidence!). I would like to get rid of the floaters in my

eyes. My wife has even worse allergies and asthma at times as well.

She didn't have allergies as a child either. She also has digestive

complaints, including GERD and IBS symptoms. Our 8-year old daughter

has had puffy eyes and allergies since she was very young and she

received antibiotics several times when she was younger (before we new

any better!). She is also in the late 90's generation that was

exposed to way too much ethyl mercury in way too many vaccines. She

has very mild autism in the form of " selective mutism " , probably as a

result.

I'm sure most everyone in this group has one health problem or

another. The challenge is sorting through all of the conficting

studies and opinions to find what works best for each individual. I

only recently discovered alternative health web sites, including WAPF,

Mercola, Rosedale, Cowan, and LEF. Oddly enough, I decided to Google

about floaters last December and one thing led to another. I found

the WAPF web site in January and to me it seems to make the most

common sense. So, we are trying to slowly change our diet. Over the

last couple of months we have gone mostly organic, switched to grass

fed beef, raw dairy, and free range chicken and eggs, and coconut oil

for cooking. My wife is allergic to eggs (but wasn't as a child) and

she is bothered by the raw milk (queasy stomach) but not by pasturized

milk??? We still have not tried the any of the fermenting methods.

[Guest guest]

Idealy, how much liver per week would you need to eat?

Re: Best Multivitamin?

> Whether this is true, I don't know, but I'm not sure I want to pay a

> premium price for it since I have recently been able to obtain raw

> milk which is probably better anyway. Even Mercola says he uses it

> mainly when he is traveling and doesn't have access to healthier

> alternatives.

,

If you wish to save your money, forget the whey and add liver to your

diet. No need for B-vites, either.

B.

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Let's be real about liver. Ifteh donor animal had any pgase II detox

issues, then etaing the liver will add a serious world of hurt to your

life. Geez, liver this, liver that... IT's all freaking relative.

>

> > Whether this is true, I don't know, but I'm not sure I want to pay

a

> > premium price for it since I have recently been able to obtain raw

> > milk which is probably better anyway. Even Mercola says he uses it

> > mainly when he is traveling and doesn't have access to healthier

> > alternatives.

>

> ,

> If you wish to save your money, forget the whey and add liver to your

> diet. No need for B-vites, either.

> B.

>

[Guest guest]

> My family has a number of health problems that I am hoping to address

> mainly by improving our diet, if possible. I have managed to lose 20

> lb over the last year, but I still want to lose another 20 to 30 lb to

> get back to what I weighed about 15 to 20 years ago. I have allergies

> that only started shortly after I took my first antibiotic as an adult

> (what a coincidence!). I would like to get rid of the floaters in my

> eyes. My wife has even worse allergies and asthma at times as well.

> She didn't have allergies as a child either. She also has digestive

> complaints, including GERD and IBS symptoms. Our 8-year old daughter

> has had puffy eyes and allergies since she was very young and she

> received antibiotics several times when she was younger (before we new

> any better!). She is also in the late 90's generation that was

> exposed to way too much ethyl mercury in way too many vaccines. She

> has very mild autism in the form of " selective mutism " , probably as a

> result.

>

> I'm sure most everyone in this group has one health problem or

> another. The challenge is sorting through all of the conficting

> studies and opinions to find what works best for each individual. I

> only recently discovered alternative health web sites, including WAPF,

> Mercola, Rosedale, Cowan, and LEF. Oddly enough, I decided to Google

> about floaters last December and one thing led to another. I found

> the WAPF web site in January and to me it seems to make the most

> common sense. So, we are trying to slowly change our diet. Over the

> last couple of months we have gone mostly organic, switched to grass

> fed beef, raw dairy, and free range chicken and eggs, and coconut oil

> for cooking. My wife is allergic to eggs (but wasn't as a child) and

> she is bothered by the raw milk (queasy stomach) but not by pasturized

> milk??? We still have not tried the any of the fermenting methods.

>

,

Consider " pasteurizing " the raw milk yourself and see if that suits her.

Then you'll get the quality of milk you want and make it more

digestible for your wife.

Put it in a pan and heat on low just until the tiny bubbles appear at

the edge, then cool. You can add ginger, too, if she likes it.

Someone is bound to mention the Specific Carbohydrate Diet.

(Google it)

Someone else will suggest gluten/casein intolerance:

www.enterolab.com

The enzymes people are talking about: www.enzymestuff.com

What sort of signs/symptoms of allergies does your wife experience?

Does she get heat symptoms, like hives, rashes, redness?

or mucus, bloating, puffiness? Is it a dry asthma or does she get

phlegm-y?

So, what would you like to ferment first?

B.

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wrote:

....IT's all freaking relative.

,

It sure is.

B.

/liver this, liver that

[Guest guest]

Maybe your wife could try raw yogurt. Works for some people who have a hard

time adjusting to raw at first. Then as she heals she may be able to tolerate

it better. The raw dairy benefits are worth trying several different approaches,

IMO. : ) Shery (new to group)

> she is bothered by the raw milk (queasy stomach) but not by pasturized

> milk??? We still have not tried the any of the fermenting methods.

>

,

Consider " pasteurizing " the raw milk yourself and see if that suits her.

Then you'll get the quality of milk you want and make it more

digestible for your wife.

Put it in a pan and heat on low just until the tiny bubbles appear at

the edge, then cool. You can add ginger, too, if she likes it.

[Guest guest]

nyuck nyuck nyuck!!

scott

> ...IT's all freaking relative.

>

> ,

> It sure is.

> B.

>

> /liver this, liver that

>