Re: Question/Low when not on meds

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It's my understanding that people can experience the same symptoms of

shakiness and lightheadedness when bs's are dropping rapidly as when bs's are

too low. So, the milk, bran cereal and raisins could all contribute to

raising your bs's, but then when you didn't eat anything else for a few

hours, your bs's began dropping and that's why you felt shaky and lightheaded

and that's also why you felt better after eating. Roxanne

In a message dated 02/19/02 7:00:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,

kimderry@... writes:

> The reason I am asking is that this morning I had a

> bowl of bran cereal with no-fat milk and a few raisins.

> That was at 7:30. At 11:00 I felt light headed, hungry

> and kind of shaky. I tested and I was at 71. Now I know

> that is not really a low, but I ate a low cal/low carb

> granola type bar and I felt much better.

[Guest guest]

It's my understanding that people can experience the same symptoms of

shakiness and lightheadedness when bs's are dropping rapidly as when bs's are

too low. So, the milk, bran cereal and raisins could all contribute to

raising your bs's, but then when you didn't eat anything else for a few

hours, your bs's began dropping and that's why you felt shaky and lightheaded

and that's also why you felt better after eating. Roxanne

In a message dated 02/19/02 7:00:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,

kimderry@... writes:

> The reason I am asking is that this morning I had a

> bowl of bran cereal with no-fat milk and a few raisins.

> That was at 7:30. At 11:00 I felt light headed, hungry

> and kind of shaky. I tested and I was at 71. Now I know

> that is not really a low, but I ate a low cal/low carb

> granola type bar and I felt much better.

[Guest guest]

It's my understanding that people can experience the same symptoms of

shakiness and lightheadedness when bs's are dropping rapidly as when bs's are

too low. So, the milk, bran cereal and raisins could all contribute to

raising your bs's, but then when you didn't eat anything else for a few

hours, your bs's began dropping and that's why you felt shaky and lightheaded

and that's also why you felt better after eating. Roxanne

In a message dated 02/19/02 7:00:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,

kimderry@... writes:

> The reason I am asking is that this morning I had a

> bowl of bran cereal with no-fat milk and a few raisins.

> That was at 7:30. At 11:00 I felt light headed, hungry

> and kind of shaky. I tested and I was at 71. Now I know

> that is not really a low, but I ate a low cal/low carb

> granola type bar and I felt much better.

[Guest guest]

Barb,

I have question for you (or anyone else who can answer).

A while back you responded to a post where someone was

possibly experienceing a hypo in the middle of the night

when that person was not taking meds or insulin. I don't

understand how this is possible but I think you may have

had an explanation for it (which I don't remember under-

standing then either....sometimes I am a bonehead). So

can you explain it again?

The reason I am asking is that this morning I had a

bowl of bran cereal with no-fat milk and a few raisins.

That was at 7:30. At 11:00 I felt light headed, hungry

and kind of shaky. I tested and I was at 71. Now I know

that is not really a low, but I ate a low cal/low carb

granola type bar and I felt much better. Also, I don't

understand how I can be at 71 anyway when not on meds

and I hadn't done any exercising between breakfast and

then.

I am befuddled and I would greatly appreciate it if you

could befuddle me.

Kim

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Kim Derry wrote:

> The reason I am asking is that this morning I had a

> bowl of bran cereal with no-fat milk and a few raisins.

> That was at 7:30. At 11:00 I felt light headed, hungry

> and kind of shaky. I tested and I was at 71. Now I know

> that is not really a low, but I ate a low cal/low carb

> granola type bar and I felt much better. Also, I don't

> understand how I can be at 71 anyway when not on meds

> and I hadn't done any exercising between breakfast and

> then.

Kim,

Did you test your BG before you ate? If so, what was it. Also, the

breakfast you described could be a bit on the carby side. If your body

responded to the meal with a good dose of endogenous insulin (that's the

insulin your body makes) you could actually go low as a result. This is

in fact rather common for people who are new Diabetics, or not yet

diagnosed as Diabetic. Just throwing this out as a possible explanation.

Rick

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Kim Derry wrote:

> The reason I am asking is that this morning I had a

> bowl of bran cereal with no-fat milk and a few raisins.

> That was at 7:30. At 11:00 I felt light headed, hungry

> and kind of shaky. I tested and I was at 71. Now I know

> that is not really a low, but I ate a low cal/low carb

> granola type bar and I felt much better. Also, I don't

> understand how I can be at 71 anyway when not on meds

> and I hadn't done any exercising between breakfast and

> then.

Kim,

Did you test your BG before you ate? If so, what was it. Also, the

breakfast you described could be a bit on the carby side. If your body

responded to the meal with a good dose of endogenous insulin (that's the

insulin your body makes) you could actually go low as a result. This is

in fact rather common for people who are new Diabetics, or not yet

diagnosed as Diabetic. Just throwing this out as a possible explanation.

Rick

[Guest guest]

Kim Derry wrote:

> The reason I am asking is that this morning I had a

> bowl of bran cereal with no-fat milk and a few raisins.

> That was at 7:30. At 11:00 I felt light headed, hungry

> and kind of shaky. I tested and I was at 71. Now I know

> that is not really a low, but I ate a low cal/low carb

> granola type bar and I felt much better. Also, I don't

> understand how I can be at 71 anyway when not on meds

> and I hadn't done any exercising between breakfast and

> then.

Kim,

Did you test your BG before you ate? If so, what was it. Also, the

breakfast you described could be a bit on the carby side. If your body

responded to the meal with a good dose of endogenous insulin (that's the

insulin your body makes) you could actually go low as a result. This is

in fact rather common for people who are new Diabetics, or not yet

diagnosed as Diabetic. Just throwing this out as a possible explanation.

Rick

[Guest guest]

> Kim Derry wrote:

>

> > The reason I am asking is that this morning I had a

> > bowl of bran cereal with no-fat milk and a few raisins.

> > That was at 7:30. At 11:00 I felt light headed, hungry

> > and kind of shaky. I tested and I was at 71. Now I know

> > that is not really a low, but I ate a low cal/low carb

> > granola type bar and I felt much better. Also, I don't

> > understand how I can be at 71 anyway when not on meds

> > and I hadn't done any exercising between breakfast and

> > then.

Rick responded:

> breakfast you described could be a bit on the carby side. If your body

> responded to the meal with a good dose of endogenous insulin

> (that's the

> insulin your body makes) you could actually go low as a

> result.

I'm not Barb, but Rick hit the nail on the head. It's often called a

rebound hypo, and it can happen to pre-diabetic insulin resistant

individuals as well as " early " diabetics. What happens is that your body's

insulin capacity becomes too limited to easily overcome a bunch of carbs.

Then, if a high carb meal is eaten, blood sugars become elevated and the

pancreas works real hard to put out insulin to overcome the rise. By the

time it finally overcomes the high, so much insulin has been released that

blood sugars keep going down, sometimes to hypo levels. It really is like

taking a too high insulin dose. Some experience following an Oral Glucose

Tolerance Test.

Actually " healthy " people can have a similar (but not as severe) reaction.

They might feel it as a quick energy burst from, for example, a candy bar,

followed in two to four hours by a real lack of energy.

BTW Kim, if you really feel hypo at 71, you might be generally running

higher than " non-diabetic " blood sugars. I don't think most people with

blood sugars generally in the 100 range will feel hypo at 70.

Tom the Actuary

[Guest guest]

> Kim Derry wrote:

>

> > The reason I am asking is that this morning I had a

> > bowl of bran cereal with no-fat milk and a few raisins.

> > That was at 7:30. At 11:00 I felt light headed, hungry

> > and kind of shaky. I tested and I was at 71. Now I know

> > that is not really a low, but I ate a low cal/low carb

> > granola type bar and I felt much better. Also, I don't

> > understand how I can be at 71 anyway when not on meds

> > and I hadn't done any exercising between breakfast and

> > then.

Rick responded:

> breakfast you described could be a bit on the carby side. If your body

> responded to the meal with a good dose of endogenous insulin

> (that's the

> insulin your body makes) you could actually go low as a

> result.

I'm not Barb, but Rick hit the nail on the head. It's often called a

rebound hypo, and it can happen to pre-diabetic insulin resistant

individuals as well as " early " diabetics. What happens is that your body's

insulin capacity becomes too limited to easily overcome a bunch of carbs.

Then, if a high carb meal is eaten, blood sugars become elevated and the

pancreas works real hard to put out insulin to overcome the rise. By the

time it finally overcomes the high, so much insulin has been released that

blood sugars keep going down, sometimes to hypo levels. It really is like

taking a too high insulin dose. Some experience following an Oral Glucose

Tolerance Test.

Actually " healthy " people can have a similar (but not as severe) reaction.

They might feel it as a quick energy burst from, for example, a candy bar,

followed in two to four hours by a real lack of energy.

BTW Kim, if you really feel hypo at 71, you might be generally running

higher than " non-diabetic " blood sugars. I don't think most people with

blood sugars generally in the 100 range will feel hypo at 70.

Tom the Actuary

[Guest guest]

> Kim Derry wrote:

>

> > The reason I am asking is that this morning I had a

> > bowl of bran cereal with no-fat milk and a few raisins.

> > That was at 7:30. At 11:00 I felt light headed, hungry

> > and kind of shaky. I tested and I was at 71. Now I know

> > that is not really a low, but I ate a low cal/low carb

> > granola type bar and I felt much better. Also, I don't

> > understand how I can be at 71 anyway when not on meds

> > and I hadn't done any exercising between breakfast and

> > then.

Rick responded:

> breakfast you described could be a bit on the carby side. If your body

> responded to the meal with a good dose of endogenous insulin

> (that's the

> insulin your body makes) you could actually go low as a

> result.

I'm not Barb, but Rick hit the nail on the head. It's often called a

rebound hypo, and it can happen to pre-diabetic insulin resistant

individuals as well as " early " diabetics. What happens is that your body's

insulin capacity becomes too limited to easily overcome a bunch of carbs.

Then, if a high carb meal is eaten, blood sugars become elevated and the

pancreas works real hard to put out insulin to overcome the rise. By the

time it finally overcomes the high, so much insulin has been released that

blood sugars keep going down, sometimes to hypo levels. It really is like

taking a too high insulin dose. Some experience following an Oral Glucose

Tolerance Test.

Actually " healthy " people can have a similar (but not as severe) reaction.

They might feel it as a quick energy burst from, for example, a candy bar,

followed in two to four hours by a real lack of energy.

BTW Kim, if you really feel hypo at 71, you might be generally running

higher than " non-diabetic " blood sugars. I don't think most people with

blood sugars generally in the 100 range will feel hypo at 70.

Tom the Actuary

[Guest guest]

Rick and Tom,

Morning reading was 78. Didn't test the 2 hours after

the bran cereal as I have tested after it many times before.

That particular meal only raises me about 20 points. I

don't think I run higher numbers often as my last HbA1C was

5.2. Very strange. I do know that the last few days I have

been dieting more stringently. Eating fewer calories and

carbs than normal.

Kim

>

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: <diabetes_int >

>Subject: RE: Question/Low when not on meds

>Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:31:23 -0800

>

> > Kim Derry wrote:

> >

> > > The reason I am asking is that this morning I had a

> > > bowl of bran cereal with no-fat milk and a few raisins.

> > > That was at 7:30. At 11:00 I felt light headed, hungry

> > > and kind of shaky. I tested and I was at 71. Now I know

> > > that is not really a low, but I ate a low cal/low carb

> > > granola type bar and I felt much better. Also, I don't

> > > understand how I can be at 71 anyway when not on meds

> > > and I hadn't done any exercising between breakfast and

> > > then.

>

>Rick responded:

> > breakfast you described could be a bit on the carby side. If your body

> > responded to the meal with a good dose of endogenous insulin

> > (that's the

> > insulin your body makes) you could actually go low as a

> > result.

>

>I'm not Barb, but Rick hit the nail on the head. It's often called a

>rebound hypo, and it can happen to pre-diabetic insulin resistant

>individuals as well as " early " diabetics. What happens is that your body's

>insulin capacity becomes too limited to easily overcome a bunch of carbs.

>Then, if a high carb meal is eaten, blood sugars become elevated and the

>pancreas works real hard to put out insulin to overcome the rise. By the

>time it finally overcomes the high, so much insulin has been released that

>blood sugars keep going down, sometimes to hypo levels. It really is like

>taking a too high insulin dose. Some experience following an Oral Glucose

>Tolerance Test.

>

>Actually " healthy " people can have a similar (but not as severe) reaction.

>They might feel it as a quick energy burst from, for example, a candy bar,

>followed in two to four hours by a real lack of energy.

>

>BTW Kim, if you really feel hypo at 71, you might be generally running

>higher than " non-diabetic " blood sugars. I don't think most people with

>blood sugars generally in the 100 range will feel hypo at 70.

>

>Tom the Actuary

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Rick and Tom,

Morning reading was 78. Didn't test the 2 hours after

the bran cereal as I have tested after it many times before.

That particular meal only raises me about 20 points. I

don't think I run higher numbers often as my last HbA1C was

5.2. Very strange. I do know that the last few days I have

been dieting more stringently. Eating fewer calories and

carbs than normal.

Kim

>

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: <diabetes_int >

>Subject: RE: Question/Low when not on meds

>Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 19:31:23 -0800

>

> > Kim Derry wrote:

> >

> > > The reason I am asking is that this morning I had a

> > > bowl of bran cereal with no-fat milk and a few raisins.

> > > That was at 7:30. At 11:00 I felt light headed, hungry

> > > and kind of shaky. I tested and I was at 71. Now I know

> > > that is not really a low, but I ate a low cal/low carb

> > > granola type bar and I felt much better. Also, I don't

> > > understand how I can be at 71 anyway when not on meds

> > > and I hadn't done any exercising between breakfast and

> > > then.

>

>Rick responded:

> > breakfast you described could be a bit on the carby side. If your body

> > responded to the meal with a good dose of endogenous insulin

> > (that's the

> > insulin your body makes) you could actually go low as a

> > result.

>

>I'm not Barb, but Rick hit the nail on the head. It's often called a

>rebound hypo, and it can happen to pre-diabetic insulin resistant

>individuals as well as " early " diabetics. What happens is that your body's

>insulin capacity becomes too limited to easily overcome a bunch of carbs.

>Then, if a high carb meal is eaten, blood sugars become elevated and the

>pancreas works real hard to put out insulin to overcome the rise. By the

>time it finally overcomes the high, so much insulin has been released that

>blood sugars keep going down, sometimes to hypo levels. It really is like

>taking a too high insulin dose. Some experience following an Oral Glucose

>Tolerance Test.

>

>Actually " healthy " people can have a similar (but not as severe) reaction.

>They might feel it as a quick energy burst from, for example, a candy bar,

>followed in two to four hours by a real lack of energy.

>

>BTW Kim, if you really feel hypo at 71, you might be generally running

>higher than " non-diabetic " blood sugars. I don't think most people with

>blood sugars generally in the 100 range will feel hypo at 70.

>

>Tom the Actuary

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In a message dated 2/19/02 7:36:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,

jtbolen@... writes:

> I'm not Barb, but Rick hit the nail on the head. It's often called a

> rebound hypo, and it can happen to pre-diabetic insulin resistant

> individuals as well as " early " diabetics

Kim,

I've experienced the same thing after eating higher GI carbs or more carbs

than my body can handle at one time. I switched to smaller meals to spread

my carbs out and I try to eat a bit more protein with each meal to hold me

steadier for a longer period of time.

Carol T

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In a message dated 2/19/02 7:36:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,

jtbolen@... writes:

> I'm not Barb, but Rick hit the nail on the head. It's often called a

> rebound hypo, and it can happen to pre-diabetic insulin resistant

> individuals as well as " early " diabetics

Kim,

I've experienced the same thing after eating higher GI carbs or more carbs

than my body can handle at one time. I switched to smaller meals to spread

my carbs out and I try to eat a bit more protein with each meal to hold me

steadier for a longer period of time.

Carol T

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/19/02 7:36:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,

jtbolen@... writes:

> I'm not Barb, but Rick hit the nail on the head. It's often called a

> rebound hypo, and it can happen to pre-diabetic insulin resistant

> individuals as well as " early " diabetics

Kim,

I've experienced the same thing after eating higher GI carbs or more carbs

than my body can handle at one time. I switched to smaller meals to spread

my carbs out and I try to eat a bit more protein with each meal to hold me

steadier for a longer period of time.

Carol T

[Guest guest]

Kim,

Another question...were you more physically active after your breakfast?

Carol T

[Guest guest]

Kim,

Another question...were you more physically active after your breakfast?

Carol T

[Guest guest]

Kim,

Another question...were you more physically active after your breakfast?

Carol T

[Guest guest]

A cold or infection can affect BGs too...maybe that had something to do with

it. Vicki

In a message dated 02/20/2002 9:10:34 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

kimderry@... writes:

> Anne,

> I'll think this over. Funny that it happened only

> the one day but not any other when I eat that same

> breakfast about 4 days a week. Also, I haven't been

> feeling real good since then. Almost feel like I am

> coming down with something. My stomach has felt yucky

> and I still often feel light headed.

[Guest guest]

aNNE

a lot of people on insulin have different absorption rates in

different parts of their bodies especially with the nph its very

unpredictable so if u get a sudden funny reading it might be the nph

kicking in late or not kicking in at all for any reason...antibodies

attacking it on sight, insulin not moving through the fatty tissue in

to the blood stream or whatever.

the high effects stay over a period of 48 hrs especially if its the

nph not working properly.

[Guest guest]

Hi, Kim...no, I've never heard of being ill making BGs lower. I forget...are

you a type 1 or 2? Because if that was all you ate, that's not a lot of

carbs..the banana was the only carby thing. I don't know about you but for

me -- and I'm a type 1 on insulin -- if I don't eat, my BGs stay at a very

nice level... without insulin. Now if there was only some way to live

without eating...(nah, I love food too much!) Vicki

In a message dated 02/21/2002 7:37:31 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

kimderry@... writes:

> Vicki,

> I always assumed that when people were ill that

> they experienced a higher bg. Can being sick also

> produce lower ones? Maybe so cause I still am not

> feeling real good today and at 4:30 I was at 78.

> (4 hours after lunch - chicken broth cup of soup,

> a slice of fat free american cheese, 1/2 banana,

> and a sugar free jello cup).

[Guest guest]

Hi, Kim...no, I've never heard of being ill making BGs lower. I forget...are

you a type 1 or 2? Because if that was all you ate, that's not a lot of

carbs..the banana was the only carby thing. I don't know about you but for

me -- and I'm a type 1 on insulin -- if I don't eat, my BGs stay at a very

nice level... without insulin. Now if there was only some way to live

without eating...(nah, I love food too much!) Vicki

In a message dated 02/21/2002 7:37:31 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

kimderry@... writes:

> Vicki,

> I always assumed that when people were ill that

> they experienced a higher bg. Can being sick also

> produce lower ones? Maybe so cause I still am not

> feeling real good today and at 4:30 I was at 78.

> (4 hours after lunch - chicken broth cup of soup,

> a slice of fat free american cheese, 1/2 banana,

> and a sugar free jello cup).

[Guest guest]

Hi, Kim...no, I've never heard of being ill making BGs lower. I forget...are

you a type 1 or 2? Because if that was all you ate, that's not a lot of

carbs..the banana was the only carby thing. I don't know about you but for

me -- and I'm a type 1 on insulin -- if I don't eat, my BGs stay at a very

nice level... without insulin. Now if there was only some way to live

without eating...(nah, I love food too much!) Vicki

In a message dated 02/21/2002 7:37:31 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

kimderry@... writes:

> Vicki,

> I always assumed that when people were ill that

> they experienced a higher bg. Can being sick also

> produce lower ones? Maybe so cause I still am not

> feeling real good today and at 4:30 I was at 78.

> (4 hours after lunch - chicken broth cup of soup,

> a slice of fat free american cheese, 1/2 banana,

> and a sugar free jello cup).

[Guest guest]

Carol,

Not extremely. Just delivering memos around the

offices. Lots of walking but that wasn't anything

extreme.

Kim

>Kim,

>Another question...were you more physically active after your breakfast?

>Carol T

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In a message dated 2/21/02 6:37:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,

kimderry@... writes:

>

> I always assumed that when people were ill that

> they experienced a higher bg. Can being sick also

> produce lower ones? Maybe so cause I still am not

> feeling real good today and at 4:30 I was at 78.

> (4 hours after lunch - chicken broth cup of soup,

> a slice of fat free american cheese, 1/2 banana,

> and a sugar free jello cup).

>

KIm,

The above lunch would leave me close to 70 in about 2 hours. You may need a

bit more protein if you want your lunch to tide you over 4 hours. I once had

a similar lunch (berries instead of banana) and was in the 60s 2 hrs pp at

the dr's office.

Carol T