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Medicare will not reimburse for Aquatic Therapy unless the pool is

exclusively rented for PT. We went through this with our intermediary, as we

rent

space from a busy YMCA. They forwarded me to my regional CMS office in Boston,

who then forwarded me to the individuals who wrote the regulations. The

woman in charge, I am sorry to say she is a PT, told me that there would be no

compromise on this issue. PT can only be performed in an exclusionary

environment. I then said that I would have the pt. sign an ABN and forward the

charges to the patient, as per Medicare rules (uncovered service). At that

point

she called me disengenuous, stating that the patients had other options:

They could go somewhere else, or, " really, there is nothing that they do in the

water that they can't do on land. " The best part of the whole argument for

my practice; I frequently provide group therapy in the pool, so the charge is

$12, and $6 goes to the YMCA. Tough doing business that way.

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Medicare will not reimburse for Aquatic Therapy unless the pool is

exclusively rented for PT. We went through this with our intermediary, as we

rent

space from a busy YMCA. They forwarded me to my regional CMS office in Boston,

who then forwarded me to the individuals who wrote the regulations. The

woman in charge, I am sorry to say she is a PT, told me that there would be no

compromise on this issue. PT can only be performed in an exclusionary

environment. I then said that I would have the pt. sign an ABN and forward the

charges to the patient, as per Medicare rules (uncovered service). At that

point

she called me disengenuous, stating that the patients had other options:

They could go somewhere else, or, " really, there is nothing that they do in the

water that they can't do on land. " The best part of the whole argument for

my practice; I frequently provide group therapy in the pool, so the charge is

$12, and $6 goes to the YMCA. Tough doing business that way.

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Medicare will not reimburse for Aquatic Therapy unless the pool is

exclusively rented for PT. We went through this with our intermediary, as we

rent

space from a busy YMCA. They forwarded me to my regional CMS office in Boston,

who then forwarded me to the individuals who wrote the regulations. The

woman in charge, I am sorry to say she is a PT, told me that there would be no

compromise on this issue. PT can only be performed in an exclusionary

environment. I then said that I would have the pt. sign an ABN and forward the

charges to the patient, as per Medicare rules (uncovered service). At that

point

she called me disengenuous, stating that the patients had other options:

They could go somewhere else, or, " really, there is nothing that they do in the

water that they can't do on land. " The best part of the whole argument for

my practice; I frequently provide group therapy in the pool, so the charge is

$12, and $6 goes to the YMCA. Tough doing business that way.

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There is much more to this issue than generally meets the eye. The bottom

line is our fees are partly based our expenses in running a practice. If we

don't own our expenses, we will have a real hard time justifying our fees.

More importantly, if one is splitting fees with a landlord, they're not a

landlord they're a partner, and we'd better be REAL sure we can legally be

partners with them! Kickback & Fee-splitting laws apply to PTs too.

Ken Mailly, PT

Mailly & Inglett Consulting, LLC

Tel. 973 692-0033

Fax 973 633-9557

68 Seneca Trail

Wayne, NJ, 07470

www.NJPTAid.biz

Bridging the Gap!

Re: aquatic therapy

Medicare will not reimburse for Aquatic Therapy unless the pool is

exclusively rented for PT. We went through this with our intermediary, as

we rent

space from a busy YMCA. They forwarded me to my regional CMS office in

Boston,

who then forwarded me to the individuals who wrote the regulations. The

woman in charge, I am sorry to say she is a PT, told me that there would be

no

compromise on this issue. PT can only be performed in an exclusionary

environment. I then said that I would have the pt. sign an ABN and forward

the

charges to the patient, as per Medicare rules (uncovered service). At that

point

she called me disengenuous, stating that the patients had other options:

They could go somewhere else, or, " really, there is nothing that they do in

the

water that they can't do on land. " The best part of the whole argument for

my practice; I frequently provide group therapy in the pool, so the charge

is

$12, and $6 goes to the YMCA. Tough doing business that way.

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There is much more to this issue than generally meets the eye. The bottom

line is our fees are partly based our expenses in running a practice. If we

don't own our expenses, we will have a real hard time justifying our fees.

More importantly, if one is splitting fees with a landlord, they're not a

landlord they're a partner, and we'd better be REAL sure we can legally be

partners with them! Kickback & Fee-splitting laws apply to PTs too.

Ken Mailly, PT

Mailly & Inglett Consulting, LLC

Tel. 973 692-0033

Fax 973 633-9557

68 Seneca Trail

Wayne, NJ, 07470

www.NJPTAid.biz

Bridging the Gap!

Re: aquatic therapy

Medicare will not reimburse for Aquatic Therapy unless the pool is

exclusively rented for PT. We went through this with our intermediary, as

we rent

space from a busy YMCA. They forwarded me to my regional CMS office in

Boston,

who then forwarded me to the individuals who wrote the regulations. The

woman in charge, I am sorry to say she is a PT, told me that there would be

no

compromise on this issue. PT can only be performed in an exclusionary

environment. I then said that I would have the pt. sign an ABN and forward

the

charges to the patient, as per Medicare rules (uncovered service). At that

point

she called me disengenuous, stating that the patients had other options:

They could go somewhere else, or, " really, there is nothing that they do in

the

water that they can't do on land. " The best part of the whole argument for

my practice; I frequently provide group therapy in the pool, so the charge

is

$12, and $6 goes to the YMCA. Tough doing business that way.

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There is much more to this issue than generally meets the eye. The bottom

line is our fees are partly based our expenses in running a practice. If we

don't own our expenses, we will have a real hard time justifying our fees.

More importantly, if one is splitting fees with a landlord, they're not a

landlord they're a partner, and we'd better be REAL sure we can legally be

partners with them! Kickback & Fee-splitting laws apply to PTs too.

Ken Mailly, PT

Mailly & Inglett Consulting, LLC

Tel. 973 692-0033

Fax 973 633-9557

68 Seneca Trail

Wayne, NJ, 07470

www.NJPTAid.biz

Bridging the Gap!

Re: aquatic therapy

Medicare will not reimburse for Aquatic Therapy unless the pool is

exclusively rented for PT. We went through this with our intermediary, as

we rent

space from a busy YMCA. They forwarded me to my regional CMS office in

Boston,

who then forwarded me to the individuals who wrote the regulations. The

woman in charge, I am sorry to say she is a PT, told me that there would be

no

compromise on this issue. PT can only be performed in an exclusionary

environment. I then said that I would have the pt. sign an ABN and forward

the

charges to the patient, as per Medicare rules (uncovered service). At that

point

she called me disengenuous, stating that the patients had other options:

They could go somewhere else, or, " really, there is nothing that they do in

the

water that they can't do on land. " The best part of the whole argument for

my practice; I frequently provide group therapy in the pool, so the charge

is

$12, and $6 goes to the YMCA. Tough doing business that way.

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Can you tell me where you found this regulation? Is this a regional

regulation or a global CMS regulation? Do you know how long has this

regulation been in place?

Vicki Ross, OTR/L

Kansas City, MO

Re: aquatic therapy

Medicare will not reimburse for Aquatic Therapy unless the pool is

exclusively rented for PT. We went through this with our intermediary,

as we rent

space from a busy YMCA. They forwarded me to my regional CMS office in

Boston,

who then forwarded me to the individuals who wrote the regulations.

The

woman in charge, I am sorry to say she is a PT, told me that there

would be no

compromise on this issue. PT can only be performed in an exclusionary

environment. I then said that I would have the pt. sign an ABN and

forward the

charges to the patient, as per Medicare rules (uncovered service). At

that point

she called me disengenuous, stating that the patients had other

options:

They could go somewhere else, or, " really, there is nothing that they

do in the

water that they can't do on land. " The best part of the whole argument

for

my practice; I frequently provide group therapy in the pool, so the

charge is

$12, and $6 goes to the YMCA. Tough doing business that way.

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Can you tell me where you found this regulation? Is this a regional

regulation or a global CMS regulation? Do you know how long has this

regulation been in place?

Vicki Ross, OTR/L

Kansas City, MO

Re: aquatic therapy

Medicare will not reimburse for Aquatic Therapy unless the pool is

exclusively rented for PT. We went through this with our intermediary,

as we rent

space from a busy YMCA. They forwarded me to my regional CMS office in

Boston,

who then forwarded me to the individuals who wrote the regulations.

The

woman in charge, I am sorry to say she is a PT, told me that there

would be no

compromise on this issue. PT can only be performed in an exclusionary

environment. I then said that I would have the pt. sign an ABN and

forward the

charges to the patient, as per Medicare rules (uncovered service). At

that point

she called me disengenuous, stating that the patients had other

options:

They could go somewhere else, or, " really, there is nothing that they

do in the

water that they can't do on land. " The best part of the whole argument

for

my practice; I frequently provide group therapy in the pool, so the

charge is

$12, and $6 goes to the YMCA. Tough doing business that way.

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Can you tell me where you found this regulation? Is this a regional

regulation or a global CMS regulation? Do you know how long has this

regulation been in place?

Vicki Ross, OTR/L

Kansas City, MO

Re: aquatic therapy

Medicare will not reimburse for Aquatic Therapy unless the pool is

exclusively rented for PT. We went through this with our intermediary,

as we rent

space from a busy YMCA. They forwarded me to my regional CMS office in

Boston,

who then forwarded me to the individuals who wrote the regulations.

The

woman in charge, I am sorry to say she is a PT, told me that there

would be no

compromise on this issue. PT can only be performed in an exclusionary

environment. I then said that I would have the pt. sign an ABN and

forward the

charges to the patient, as per Medicare rules (uncovered service). At

that point

she called me disengenuous, stating that the patients had other

options:

They could go somewhere else, or, " really, there is nothing that they

do in the

water that they can't do on land. " The best part of the whole argument

for

my practice; I frequently provide group therapy in the pool, so the

charge is

$12, and $6 goes to the YMCA. Tough doing business that way.

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Over several years time I have been involved with Medicare certified

outpatient agencies - we may need to rent space in a SNF or assisted

living to provide Part B services in a non-Medicare home. Also have

at times rented pools.

Medicare requires exclusive rights ONLY FOR THE TIME PERIOD YOU WILL

HAVE SOMEONE IN THE POOL. They will want specific therapy times

posted. This should not be more costly than renting the pool for

birthday parties and such. I know the Y, Boys/Girls Clubs, hotels,

etc. will do this.

Sometimes in facilities we share room with activities or other

departments. We need to post our hours and have exclusive use during

that time. I think this has relevancy to both kickbacks and to

privacy during treatment rights.

> Can you tell me where you found this regulation? Is this a regional

> regulation or a global CMS regulation? Do you know how long has

this

> regulation been in place?

>

> Vicki Ross, OTR/L

> Kansas City, MO

>

> Re: aquatic therapy

>

>

> Medicare will not reimburse for Aquatic Therapy unless the pool

is

> exclusively rented for PT. We went through this with our

intermediary,

> as we rent

> space from a busy YMCA. They forwarded me to my regional CMS

office in

> Boston,

> who then forwarded me to the individuals who wrote the regulations.

> The

> woman in charge, I am sorry to say she is a PT, told me that there

> would be no

> compromise on this issue. PT can only be performed in an

exclusionary

> environment. I then said that I would have the pt. sign an ABN and

> forward the

> charges to the patient, as per Medicare rules (uncovered

service). At

> that point

> she called me disengenuous, stating that the patients had other

> options:

> They could go somewhere else, or, " really, there is nothing that

they

> do in the

> water that they can't do on land. " The best part of the whole

argument

> for

> my practice; I frequently provide group therapy in the pool, so the

> charge is

> $12, and $6 goes to the YMCA. Tough doing business that way.

>

>

>

>

>

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