Re: Re[2]: Iodine Deficiency and salt

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Ponder this one ... the second year after my RAI I was hypo... still trying to get my body to accept the Synthroid... Our little town was having blood pressure testing for seniors...all the folks on my block but for two homes, were seniors.... me and a bunch of the gals decided to walk down to city hall together and get our BP taken. Since it wasn't really busy they said that they'd take mine. I was 32, 33 something like that...

My BP was so high they said to go to emergency, NOW.

I went in, they checked it again, as the nurse and I chatted it came out that I'd had a pig out over the weekend (this was a Monday afternoon) on potato chips... high salt.... I was told to cut back on salt and come back in a week.. it was back to the low normal that it had been through ALL the visits I'd been having for thyroid. I was checked each week for two months... low normal every time.

Since then the only salt that I'd been using was in food that was to be frozen... or when it was really hot and I was sweating like a pig and craved salt.. then I did the 'salt lick thing' that I'd been talking about here...

Since we've gotten into the discussions about edema and such I've started using salt again.. Not going exactly crazy on it.. but adding it to my meals at serving time and occasionally doing a lick or a pinch. Since I've started that.. that's when my feet, toes and ankles have gone back to normal...

Okay.. my thoughts... what made my blood pressure shoot up like that? How come my body seems so much happier with salt added back now?

Is it possible that the blood pressure shooting up way back then had something to do with the same reason I was having so much trouble taking the Synthroid?

Just wondering what your thoughts, or others here, might be... it's been a curiosity for me....

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On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:29:42 -0500 " " writes:

Then they simply need to put these things in their diet, instead of goingwithout it. This society and others have dreamed up so-called healthy dietsthat have depleted them of things that they MUST have, even in societies whohave it all available. I just don't understand this. Unless they have aninborn error of "iodine wasting" (if there is such a thing), where it wouldnot be used in the body, instead going out through the elimination processesof the body, I just don't see why they would be deficient. A good dietcannot be negligent in the things we need the most. I have ALways beenagainst low salt diets, unless the kidney has a problem with elimination ofit, and, sure enough, I find out yrs later that people with low cortisolreally need it. If there is an easy fix for it, why all the hype about kelpand other foods that are not as easily obtained? And it's still so hazyabout whether or not people with Hashi's antibodies should eat extra iodine,other than the little bit with salt.

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Ponder this one ... the second year after my RAI I was hypo... still trying to get my body to accept the Synthroid... Our little town was having blood pressure testing for seniors...all the folks on my block but for two homes, were seniors.... me and a bunch of the gals decided to walk down to city hall together and get our BP taken. Since it wasn't really busy they said that they'd take mine. I was 32, 33 something like that...

My BP was so high they said to go to emergency, NOW.

I went in, they checked it again, as the nurse and I chatted it came out that I'd had a pig out over the weekend (this was a Monday afternoon) on potato chips... high salt.... I was told to cut back on salt and come back in a week.. it was back to the low normal that it had been through ALL the visits I'd been having for thyroid. I was checked each week for two months... low normal every time.

Since then the only salt that I'd been using was in food that was to be frozen... or when it was really hot and I was sweating like a pig and craved salt.. then I did the 'salt lick thing' that I'd been talking about here...

Since we've gotten into the discussions about edema and such I've started using salt again.. Not going exactly crazy on it.. but adding it to my meals at serving time and occasionally doing a lick or a pinch. Since I've started that.. that's when my feet, toes and ankles have gone back to normal...

Okay.. my thoughts... what made my blood pressure shoot up like that? How come my body seems so much happier with salt added back now?

Is it possible that the blood pressure shooting up way back then had something to do with the same reason I was having so much trouble taking the Synthroid?

Just wondering what your thoughts, or others here, might be... it's been a curiosity for me....

Topper ()

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:29:42 -0500 " " writes:

Then they simply need to put these things in their diet, instead of goingwithout it. This society and others have dreamed up so-called healthy dietsthat have depleted them of things that they MUST have, even in societies whohave it all available. I just don't understand this. Unless they have aninborn error of "iodine wasting" (if there is such a thing), where it wouldnot be used in the body, instead going out through the elimination processesof the body, I just don't see why they would be deficient. A good dietcannot be negligent in the things we need the most. I have ALways beenagainst low salt diets, unless the kidney has a problem with elimination ofit, and, sure enough, I find out yrs later that people with low cortisolreally need it. If there is an easy fix for it, why all the hype about kelpand other foods that are not as easily obtained? And it's still so hazyabout whether or not people with Hashi's antibodies should eat extra iodine,other than the little bit with salt.

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Ponder this one ... the second year after my RAI I was hypo... still trying to get my body to accept the Synthroid... Our little town was having blood pressure testing for seniors...all the folks on my block but for two homes, were seniors.... me and a bunch of the gals decided to walk down to city hall together and get our BP taken. Since it wasn't really busy they said that they'd take mine. I was 32, 33 something like that...

My BP was so high they said to go to emergency, NOW.

I went in, they checked it again, as the nurse and I chatted it came out that I'd had a pig out over the weekend (this was a Monday afternoon) on potato chips... high salt.... I was told to cut back on salt and come back in a week.. it was back to the low normal that it had been through ALL the visits I'd been having for thyroid. I was checked each week for two months... low normal every time.

Since then the only salt that I'd been using was in food that was to be frozen... or when it was really hot and I was sweating like a pig and craved salt.. then I did the 'salt lick thing' that I'd been talking about here...

Since we've gotten into the discussions about edema and such I've started using salt again.. Not going exactly crazy on it.. but adding it to my meals at serving time and occasionally doing a lick or a pinch. Since I've started that.. that's when my feet, toes and ankles have gone back to normal...

Okay.. my thoughts... what made my blood pressure shoot up like that? How come my body seems so much happier with salt added back now?

Is it possible that the blood pressure shooting up way back then had something to do with the same reason I was having so much trouble taking the Synthroid?

Just wondering what your thoughts, or others here, might be... it's been a curiosity for me....

Topper ()

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:29:42 -0500 " " writes:

Then they simply need to put these things in their diet, instead of goingwithout it. This society and others have dreamed up so-called healthy dietsthat have depleted them of things that they MUST have, even in societies whohave it all available. I just don't understand this. Unless they have aninborn error of "iodine wasting" (if there is such a thing), where it wouldnot be used in the body, instead going out through the elimination processesof the body, I just don't see why they would be deficient. A good dietcannot be negligent in the things we need the most. I have ALways beenagainst low salt diets, unless the kidney has a problem with elimination ofit, and, sure enough, I find out yrs later that people with low cortisolreally need it. If there is an easy fix for it, why all the hype about kelpand other foods that are not as easily obtained? And it's still so hazyabout whether or not people with Hashi's antibodies should eat extra iodine,other than the little bit with salt.

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Electrytes....spelling probably wrong!Potassium/sodium balances for one-----magnesium too I believe comes into play.Also, edema can be if you are dehydrated...So proper hydration is essential.

Reasons why the bp could be up--- cuff is wrong size! "white coat"phenomena.....if not enough rest right before....And a cute guy walking by!(Knowing you, Pard- that is the real reason!)

Feisty

Re: Re[2]: Iodine Deficiency and salt

Ponder this one ... the second year after my RAI I was hypo... still trying to get my body to accept the Synthroid... Our little town was having blood pressure testing for seniors...all the folks on my block but for two homes, were seniors.... me and a bunch of the gals decided to walk down to city hall together and get our BP taken. Since it wasn't really busy they said that they'd take mine. I was 32, 33 something like that...

My BP was so high they said to go to emergency, NOW.

I went in, they checked it again, as the nurse and I chatted it came out that I'd had a pig out over the weekend (this was a Monday afternoon) on potato chips... high salt.... I was told to cut back on salt and come back in a week.. it was back to the low normal that it had been through ALL the visits I'd been having for thyroid. I was checked each week for two months... low normal every time.

Since then the only salt that I'd been using was in food that was to be frozen... or when it was really hot and I was sweating like a pig and craved salt.. then I did the 'salt lick thing' that I'd been talking about here...

Since we've gotten into the discussions about edema and such I've started using salt again.. Not going exactly crazy on it.. but adding it to my meals at serving time and occasionally doing a lick or a pinch. Since I've started that.. that's when my feet, toes and ankles have gone back to normal...

Okay.. my thoughts... what made my blood pressure shoot up like that? How come my body seems so much happier with salt added back now?

Is it possible that the blood pressure shooting up way back then had something to do with the same reason I was having so much trouble taking the Synthroid?

Just wondering what your thoughts, or others here, might be... it's been a curiosity for me....

Topper ()

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:29:42 -0500 " " writes:

Then they simply need to put these things in their diet, instead of goingwithout it. This society and others have dreamed up so-called healthy dietsthat have depleted them of things that they MUST have, even in societies whohave it all available. I just don't understand this. Unless they have aninborn error of "iodine wasting" (if there is such a thing), where it wouldnot be used in the body, instead going out through the elimination processesof the body, I just don't see why they would be deficient. A good dietcannot be negligent in the things we need the most. I have ALways beenagainst low salt diets, unless the kidney has a problem with elimination ofit, and, sure enough, I find out yrs later that people with low cortisolreally need it. If there is an easy fix for it, why all the hype about kelpand other foods that are not as easily obtained? And it's still so hazyabout whether or not people with Hashi's antibodies should eat extra iodine,other than the little bit with salt.

[Guest guest]

Electrytes....spelling probably wrong!Potassium/sodium balances for one-----magnesium too I believe comes into play.Also, edema can be if you are dehydrated...So proper hydration is essential.

Reasons why the bp could be up--- cuff is wrong size! "white coat"phenomena.....if not enough rest right before....And a cute guy walking by!(Knowing you, Pard- that is the real reason!)

Feisty

Re: Re[2]: Iodine Deficiency and salt

Ponder this one ... the second year after my RAI I was hypo... still trying to get my body to accept the Synthroid... Our little town was having blood pressure testing for seniors...all the folks on my block but for two homes, were seniors.... me and a bunch of the gals decided to walk down to city hall together and get our BP taken. Since it wasn't really busy they said that they'd take mine. I was 32, 33 something like that...

My BP was so high they said to go to emergency, NOW.

I went in, they checked it again, as the nurse and I chatted it came out that I'd had a pig out over the weekend (this was a Monday afternoon) on potato chips... high salt.... I was told to cut back on salt and come back in a week.. it was back to the low normal that it had been through ALL the visits I'd been having for thyroid. I was checked each week for two months... low normal every time.

Since then the only salt that I'd been using was in food that was to be frozen... or when it was really hot and I was sweating like a pig and craved salt.. then I did the 'salt lick thing' that I'd been talking about here...

Since we've gotten into the discussions about edema and such I've started using salt again.. Not going exactly crazy on it.. but adding it to my meals at serving time and occasionally doing a lick or a pinch. Since I've started that.. that's when my feet, toes and ankles have gone back to normal...

Okay.. my thoughts... what made my blood pressure shoot up like that? How come my body seems so much happier with salt added back now?

Is it possible that the blood pressure shooting up way back then had something to do with the same reason I was having so much trouble taking the Synthroid?

Just wondering what your thoughts, or others here, might be... it's been a curiosity for me....

Topper ()

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:29:42 -0500 " " writes:

Then they simply need to put these things in their diet, instead of goingwithout it. This society and others have dreamed up so-called healthy dietsthat have depleted them of things that they MUST have, even in societies whohave it all available. I just don't understand this. Unless they have aninborn error of "iodine wasting" (if there is such a thing), where it wouldnot be used in the body, instead going out through the elimination processesof the body, I just don't see why they would be deficient. A good dietcannot be negligent in the things we need the most. I have ALways beenagainst low salt diets, unless the kidney has a problem with elimination ofit, and, sure enough, I find out yrs later that people with low cortisolreally need it. If there is an easy fix for it, why all the hype about kelpand other foods that are not as easily obtained? And it's still so hazyabout whether or not people with Hashi's antibodies should eat extra iodine,other than the little bit with salt.

[Guest guest]

Electrytes....spelling probably wrong!Potassium/sodium balances for one-----magnesium too I believe comes into play.Also, edema can be if you are dehydrated...So proper hydration is essential.

Reasons why the bp could be up--- cuff is wrong size! "white coat"phenomena.....if not enough rest right before....And a cute guy walking by!(Knowing you, Pard- that is the real reason!)

Feisty

Re: Re[2]: Iodine Deficiency and salt

Ponder this one ... the second year after my RAI I was hypo... still trying to get my body to accept the Synthroid... Our little town was having blood pressure testing for seniors...all the folks on my block but for two homes, were seniors.... me and a bunch of the gals decided to walk down to city hall together and get our BP taken. Since it wasn't really busy they said that they'd take mine. I was 32, 33 something like that...

My BP was so high they said to go to emergency, NOW.

I went in, they checked it again, as the nurse and I chatted it came out that I'd had a pig out over the weekend (this was a Monday afternoon) on potato chips... high salt.... I was told to cut back on salt and come back in a week.. it was back to the low normal that it had been through ALL the visits I'd been having for thyroid. I was checked each week for two months... low normal every time.

Since then the only salt that I'd been using was in food that was to be frozen... or when it was really hot and I was sweating like a pig and craved salt.. then I did the 'salt lick thing' that I'd been talking about here...

Since we've gotten into the discussions about edema and such I've started using salt again.. Not going exactly crazy on it.. but adding it to my meals at serving time and occasionally doing a lick or a pinch. Since I've started that.. that's when my feet, toes and ankles have gone back to normal...

Okay.. my thoughts... what made my blood pressure shoot up like that? How come my body seems so much happier with salt added back now?

Is it possible that the blood pressure shooting up way back then had something to do with the same reason I was having so much trouble taking the Synthroid?

Just wondering what your thoughts, or others here, might be... it's been a curiosity for me....

Topper ()

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:29:42 -0500 " " writes:

Then they simply need to put these things in their diet, instead of goingwithout it. This society and others have dreamed up so-called healthy dietsthat have depleted them of things that they MUST have, even in societies whohave it all available. I just don't understand this. Unless they have aninborn error of "iodine wasting" (if there is such a thing), where it wouldnot be used in the body, instead going out through the elimination processesof the body, I just don't see why they would be deficient. A good dietcannot be negligent in the things we need the most. I have ALways beenagainst low salt diets, unless the kidney has a problem with elimination ofit, and, sure enough, I find out yrs later that people with low cortisolreally need it. If there is an easy fix for it, why all the hype about kelpand other foods that are not as easily obtained? And it's still so hazyabout whether or not people with Hashi's antibodies should eat extra iodine,other than the little bit with salt.

[Guest guest]

I was very... ummmmmmm I was shopping a lot in those days??

The guys right next door were adorable... both single.. both divorced... Separate bedrooms.. or they were really good with bedroom lights making it look like they used different rooms! hehehehehehe

I blew my knee once and was having trouble with yard work... they came over and did my mowing for me for a couple of weeks... they just showed up and did it.... just like I did.. even swept the side walks and made sure to be careful around my plants... They said they loved looking out the kitchen window while doing dishes and seeing all the pretty growing things... they had the second best view of my greenhouse.. I had the best! heheheheh

I was eating a lot of veggies and fruits that I was growing myself.. moving a way from junk food.... but I used to go on potato chip binges when I was depressed... That was around the same time I caught my BF cheating and dumped him.

I never had any problems with edema until the last geez, year and a half? it's been since getting on natural thyroid... I was sweating more... Dad was having more problems with getting cold so the heat in the house went up.... Last summer the furnace was even used to keep the temp in the house up at night... so it couldn't cool down.. I had a LOT of trouble getting in enough liquid to replace perspiration...

Now, since adding salt.. I have a much better thirst repsonse.. it's easier to drink more water.

Now, that furnace guy that was here last week.. HE was CUTE... but newly married... age not far off.. he was 41....

Topper ()

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 15:46:19 -0500 "Feisty\(ThyroFeisty\)" writes:

Electrytes....spelling probably wrong!Potassium/sodium balances for one-----magnesium too I believe comes into play.Also, edema can be if you are dehydrated...So proper hydration is essential.

Reasons why the bp could be up--- cuff is wrong size! "white coat"phenomena.....if not enough rest right before....And a cute guy walking by!(Knowing you, Pard- that is the real reason!)

Feisty

[Guest guest]

I was very... ummmmmmm I was shopping a lot in those days??

The guys right next door were adorable... both single.. both divorced... Separate bedrooms.. or they were really good with bedroom lights making it look like they used different rooms! hehehehehehe

I blew my knee once and was having trouble with yard work... they came over and did my mowing for me for a couple of weeks... they just showed up and did it.... just like I did.. even swept the side walks and made sure to be careful around my plants... They said they loved looking out the kitchen window while doing dishes and seeing all the pretty growing things... they had the second best view of my greenhouse.. I had the best! heheheheh

I was eating a lot of veggies and fruits that I was growing myself.. moving a way from junk food.... but I used to go on potato chip binges when I was depressed... That was around the same time I caught my BF cheating and dumped him.

I never had any problems with edema until the last geez, year and a half? it's been since getting on natural thyroid... I was sweating more... Dad was having more problems with getting cold so the heat in the house went up.... Last summer the furnace was even used to keep the temp in the house up at night... so it couldn't cool down.. I had a LOT of trouble getting in enough liquid to replace perspiration...

Now, since adding salt.. I have a much better thirst repsonse.. it's easier to drink more water.

Now, that furnace guy that was here last week.. HE was CUTE... but newly married... age not far off.. he was 41....

Topper ()

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 15:46:19 -0500 "Feisty\(ThyroFeisty\)" writes:

Electrytes....spelling probably wrong!Potassium/sodium balances for one-----magnesium too I believe comes into play.Also, edema can be if you are dehydrated...So proper hydration is essential.

Reasons why the bp could be up--- cuff is wrong size! "white coat"phenomena.....if not enough rest right before....And a cute guy walking by!(Knowing you, Pard- that is the real reason!)

Feisty

[Guest guest]

I was very... ummmmmmm I was shopping a lot in those days??

The guys right next door were adorable... both single.. both divorced... Separate bedrooms.. or they were really good with bedroom lights making it look like they used different rooms! hehehehehehe

I blew my knee once and was having trouble with yard work... they came over and did my mowing for me for a couple of weeks... they just showed up and did it.... just like I did.. even swept the side walks and made sure to be careful around my plants... They said they loved looking out the kitchen window while doing dishes and seeing all the pretty growing things... they had the second best view of my greenhouse.. I had the best! heheheheh

I was eating a lot of veggies and fruits that I was growing myself.. moving a way from junk food.... but I used to go on potato chip binges when I was depressed... That was around the same time I caught my BF cheating and dumped him.

I never had any problems with edema until the last geez, year and a half? it's been since getting on natural thyroid... I was sweating more... Dad was having more problems with getting cold so the heat in the house went up.... Last summer the furnace was even used to keep the temp in the house up at night... so it couldn't cool down.. I had a LOT of trouble getting in enough liquid to replace perspiration...

Now, since adding salt.. I have a much better thirst repsonse.. it's easier to drink more water.

Now, that furnace guy that was here last week.. HE was CUTE... but newly married... age not far off.. he was 41....

Topper ()

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 15:46:19 -0500 "Feisty\(ThyroFeisty\)" writes:

Electrytes....spelling probably wrong!Potassium/sodium balances for one-----magnesium too I believe comes into play.Also, edema can be if you are dehydrated...So proper hydration is essential.

Reasons why the bp could be up--- cuff is wrong size! "white coat"phenomena.....if not enough rest right before....And a cute guy walking by!(Knowing you, Pard- that is the real reason!)

Feisty

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There are quite a few variables here, from person to person. Some may have an error inside the kidney, or may have developed a problem in the way it processes salt. In your case, it's pretty obvious that you had a low adrenal problem at that time, which has been worked on since then. The body that grabs on to salt and holds it has got to mean something, because our bodies normally need salt, contrary to what many in the medical mainstream have been saying. Your body has changed since that time, so you're no longer holding on to the salt. There's something in the kidney called the Loop of Henhle (Sp?) that reprocesses and sends out or recirculates salt and some other things. When there is a problem there, then there is either a salt-losing or a salt-holding problem. That's just one aspect of it all. This is why I think that it's dangerous to say that one size fits all when it comes to advising ALL people to eat a low salt diet. Iodine, I'm not sure about, but I know that I can't afford those expensive organiz foods that come from somewhere else in the country or oversease. No, I don't eat as much processed food as I did at one time, but I can't say that I never do at all. Cooking up all these home cooked meals as some do, sounds like a major feat for me, as I am awake a few hrs a morning while I'm working outside the home at night, so I really don't want to spend hrs in the kitchen when I'm off. I know, I know, it's better this way, but because I used to do this for yrs when I had so many children at home, I guess I'm in rebellion now, lol! I used to eat out nearly every single day, but eat out once every couple of months now, and, frankly, I was much healthier then. That's a paradox, isn't it? I think that it may be because I was much more likely to eat a whole lot of fruit and raw veggies then off of a salad bar, even though they may be treating the stuff with that "whiting" to keep it fresh.

Re: Re[2]: Iodine Deficiency and salt

Ponder this one ... the second year after my RAI I was hypo... still trying to get my body to accept the Synthroid... Our little town was having blood pressure testing for seniors...all the folks on my block but for two homes, were seniors.... me and a bunch of the gals decided to walk down to city hall together and get our BP taken. Since it wasn't really busy they said that they'd take mine. I was 32, 33 something like that...

My BP was so high they said to go to emergency, NOW.

I went in, they checked it again, as the nurse and I chatted it came out that I'd had a pig out over the weekend (this was a Monday afternoon) on potato chips... high salt.... I was told to cut back on salt and come back in a week.. it was back to the low normal that it had been through ALL the visits I'd been having for thyroid. I was checked each week for two months... low normal every time.

Since then the only salt that I'd been using was in food that was to be frozen... or when it was really hot and I was sweating like a pig and craved salt.. then I did the 'salt lick thing' that I'd been talking about here...

Since we've gotten into the discussions about edema and such I've started using salt again.. Not going exactly crazy on it.. but adding it to my meals at serving time and occasionally doing a lick or a pinch. Since I've started that.. that's when my feet, toes and ankles have gone back to normal...

Okay.. my thoughts... what made my blood pressure shoot up like that? How come my body seems so much happier with salt added back now?

Is it possible that the blood pressure shooting up way back then had something to do with the same reason I was having so much trouble taking the Synthroid?

Just wondering what your thoughts, or others here, might be... it's been a curiosity for me....

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