Re: Strange (but good) results

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

i had a very strange, similar experience. I wa shaving a bad day (right

after the appointment with the dietitian) and I was easily tempted by 2

nice and jiucy slices of pizza - at 10 pm in the evening (my husband

brought them home when he came home from work). I didn't want to test

my fasting so I tends to be high to begin with, and low and behold I got

a 6.4, my lowest yet?

Can anyone explain these flukes?

Jacky

[Guest guest]

I am thinking that you started in a really good range already and that your

healthy changes have helped your body to handle more carbs. Also I noticed

you limited your portion.

My dh and I frequently eat out and the one bite rule applies....I can have

one bite of whatever I want without consquences. It helps me to feels less

deprived

ressy

[Guest guest]

I am thinking that you started in a really good range already and that your

healthy changes have helped your body to handle more carbs. Also I noticed

you limited your portion.

My dh and I frequently eat out and the one bite rule applies....I can have

one bite of whatever I want without consquences. It helps me to feels less

deprived

ressy

[Guest guest]

I am thinking that you started in a really good range already and that your

healthy changes have helped your body to handle more carbs. Also I noticed

you limited your portion.

My dh and I frequently eat out and the one bite rule applies....I can have

one bite of whatever I want without consquences. It helps me to feels less

deprived

ressy

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I'm a huge believer in the " taste " method of control. I've never felt

out-of-control, knowing that I can taste whatever I want. My favorite meals

out are with friends who share :-).

Carol T

In a message dated 2/1/02 11:58:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,

klessa@... writes:

> I've been trying to get myself to understand that one too -- that if there's

> something 'on the off list' for me that I really want, getting ONE bite

> gives you just as much of a taste and enjoyment as eating a ton of it

[Guest guest]

Kathy wrote:

> For an appetizer I had their delicious sopa de elote (corn soup). For

> my entre, I ordered carne de tampiquena, and as always it was

> absolutely delicious. The plate was a

> rather large slab of delicious flank steak, marinated and tender and

> grilled, with one corn enchilada with whatever fantastic white cheese

> they use, smothered in mole sauce. It had a rather substantial side

> of guacamole, and refried black beans, and mexican rice.

>

> I had two bites of the rice. I ate three bites of the black beans. I

> skipped the chips and salsa, except for two, before the meal. I had

> everything else on my plate... and the mole was so fantastic I just

> about licked the plate.

>

> ...I had tested right before the meal, and I was at 89 (around 5). Go

> home to test, probably about 1 1/2 hours after finishing the meal

> (with lots of water because we sat there talking for a bit), and I'm

> FLOORED -- my bg was only 100 (5.6). We got in late, I awoke this

> morning around 7:30 and tested with bg at 88, when usually I suffer a

> bit from dawn rise syndrome.

>

> So... I know that skipping most of the rice and chips and beans was a

> very good thing. But I'm surprised that having SOME of the (for me at

> least) WAY-forbidden rice and chips, and a corn tortilla covered in

> mole sauce didn't have an impact on me. Not to mention a cup of corn

> soup, which has

> some corn tortilla strips in it as garnish as well as tons of cream

> and corn. I began to wonder if there was something in the peppers

> that are used in mole sauce that perhaps works to combat bg rises? or

> am I reading too much into this and my results are what should be

> expected?

Hi Kathy,

Well, since no one else answered, I'm going to take a stab at it...

It sounds to me like you didn't " overload " with carbs. I'm not sure what

the carb content of the corn tortilla is, but it is most likely a high

carb item. However, the fact that you only ate one helps. Also, by only

taking a few bits of the rice and beans you pretty well restricted carbs

there also. Having a large steak provided you with quite a bit of

protein and fat. The cheese in the corn tortilla gave you some fat amd

protein as well.

Here's my guess. By eating a " reasonable " amount of carbs with the high

protein and fat, it may have slowed down the absorption of the carbs to

the point that your 2nd phase insulin release covered most of them. I

have found that I can " sneak in " a snack if I eat it within an hour of

my main meal. In fact, there have been time that it seems that it helped

to lower my BGs by increasing the amount of insulin secreted during the

2nd phase release. In your case, the amount of carbs you ate in

combination with the protein and fat, along with the length of time that

it took you to eat, may have all factored together to give you a night

of fond memories - no tonly with the food and company, but with readings

as well!

There is my unscientific " hunch " for what it's worth! )

Rick

[Guest guest]

Kathy wrote:

> For an appetizer I had their delicious sopa de elote (corn soup). For

> my entre, I ordered carne de tampiquena, and as always it was

> absolutely delicious. The plate was a

> rather large slab of delicious flank steak, marinated and tender and

> grilled, with one corn enchilada with whatever fantastic white cheese

> they use, smothered in mole sauce. It had a rather substantial side

> of guacamole, and refried black beans, and mexican rice.

>

> I had two bites of the rice. I ate three bites of the black beans. I

> skipped the chips and salsa, except for two, before the meal. I had

> everything else on my plate... and the mole was so fantastic I just

> about licked the plate.

>

> ...I had tested right before the meal, and I was at 89 (around 5). Go

> home to test, probably about 1 1/2 hours after finishing the meal

> (with lots of water because we sat there talking for a bit), and I'm

> FLOORED -- my bg was only 100 (5.6). We got in late, I awoke this

> morning around 7:30 and tested with bg at 88, when usually I suffer a

> bit from dawn rise syndrome.

>

> So... I know that skipping most of the rice and chips and beans was a

> very good thing. But I'm surprised that having SOME of the (for me at

> least) WAY-forbidden rice and chips, and a corn tortilla covered in

> mole sauce didn't have an impact on me. Not to mention a cup of corn

> soup, which has

> some corn tortilla strips in it as garnish as well as tons of cream

> and corn. I began to wonder if there was something in the peppers

> that are used in mole sauce that perhaps works to combat bg rises? or

> am I reading too much into this and my results are what should be

> expected?

Hi Kathy,

Well, since no one else answered, I'm going to take a stab at it...

It sounds to me like you didn't " overload " with carbs. I'm not sure what

the carb content of the corn tortilla is, but it is most likely a high

carb item. However, the fact that you only ate one helps. Also, by only

taking a few bits of the rice and beans you pretty well restricted carbs

there also. Having a large steak provided you with quite a bit of

protein and fat. The cheese in the corn tortilla gave you some fat amd

protein as well.

Here's my guess. By eating a " reasonable " amount of carbs with the high

protein and fat, it may have slowed down the absorption of the carbs to

the point that your 2nd phase insulin release covered most of them. I

have found that I can " sneak in " a snack if I eat it within an hour of

my main meal. In fact, there have been time that it seems that it helped

to lower my BGs by increasing the amount of insulin secreted during the

2nd phase release. In your case, the amount of carbs you ate in

combination with the protein and fat, along with the length of time that

it took you to eat, may have all factored together to give you a night

of fond memories - no tonly with the food and company, but with readings

as well!

There is my unscientific " hunch " for what it's worth! )

Rick

[Guest guest]

> My dh and I frequently eat out and the one bite rule applies....I

> can have

> one bite of whatever I want without consquences. It helps me to

> feels less

> deprived

I've been trying to get myself to understand that one too -- that if there's

something 'on the off list' for me that I really want, getting ONE bite

gives you just as much of a taste and enjoyment as eating a ton of it. I

think we're just conditioned to feel like we have to eat the entire thing.

Rice is something I adore, and which I've proven to myself I can't do

anymore without a big bg spike, so being able to push the plate away after

having a tiny amount is an accomplishment in itself.

Thanks for the feedback!

Kathy

[Guest guest]

> My dh and I frequently eat out and the one bite rule applies....I

> can have

> one bite of whatever I want without consquences. It helps me to

> feels less

> deprived

I've been trying to get myself to understand that one too -- that if there's

something 'on the off list' for me that I really want, getting ONE bite

gives you just as much of a taste and enjoyment as eating a ton of it. I

think we're just conditioned to feel like we have to eat the entire thing.

Rice is something I adore, and which I've proven to myself I can't do

anymore without a big bg spike, so being able to push the plate away after

having a tiny amount is an accomplishment in itself.

Thanks for the feedback!

Kathy

[Guest guest]

> My dh and I frequently eat out and the one bite rule applies....I

> can have

> one bite of whatever I want without consquences. It helps me to

> feels less

> deprived

I've been trying to get myself to understand that one too -- that if there's

something 'on the off list' for me that I really want, getting ONE bite

gives you just as much of a taste and enjoyment as eating a ton of it. I

think we're just conditioned to feel like we have to eat the entire thing.

Rice is something I adore, and which I've proven to myself I can't do

anymore without a big bg spike, so being able to push the plate away after

having a tiny amount is an accomplishment in itself.

Thanks for the feedback!

Kathy

[Guest guest]

> Well, since no one else answered, I'm going to take a stab at it...

Thanks!

> Here's my guess. By eating a " reasonable " amount of carbs with the high

> protein and fat, it may have slowed down the absorption of the carbs to

> the point that your 2nd phase insulin release covered most of them. I

> have found that I can " sneak in " a snack if I eat it within an hour of

> my main meal. In fact, there have been time that it seems that it helped

> to lower my BGs by increasing the amount of insulin secreted during the

> 2nd phase release. In your case, the amount of carbs you ate in

Hmmm... that is really interesting! That's something I'm going to have to

test out and see if it's true, because it really opens up possibilities.

I know I went to a party recently, where they had incredible spreads of

tasty stuff. I stuck to the boiled shrimp bowl for my munching. At one

point, I had two bites of birthday cake, a very rich piece of cake. I had

about 4 more shrimp AFTER that and didn't notice any spike in my bg for that

evening.

It definitely keeps it interesting, eh?

Kathy

[Guest guest]

> Well, since no one else answered, I'm going to take a stab at it...

Thanks!

> Here's my guess. By eating a " reasonable " amount of carbs with the high

> protein and fat, it may have slowed down the absorption of the carbs to

> the point that your 2nd phase insulin release covered most of them. I

> have found that I can " sneak in " a snack if I eat it within an hour of

> my main meal. In fact, there have been time that it seems that it helped

> to lower my BGs by increasing the amount of insulin secreted during the

> 2nd phase release. In your case, the amount of carbs you ate in

Hmmm... that is really interesting! That's something I'm going to have to

test out and see if it's true, because it really opens up possibilities.

I know I went to a party recently, where they had incredible spreads of

tasty stuff. I stuck to the boiled shrimp bowl for my munching. At one

point, I had two bites of birthday cake, a very rich piece of cake. I had

about 4 more shrimp AFTER that and didn't notice any spike in my bg for that

evening.

It definitely keeps it interesting, eh?

Kathy

[Guest guest]

> Well, since no one else answered, I'm going to take a stab at it...

Thanks!

> Here's my guess. By eating a " reasonable " amount of carbs with the high

> protein and fat, it may have slowed down the absorption of the carbs to

> the point that your 2nd phase insulin release covered most of them. I

> have found that I can " sneak in " a snack if I eat it within an hour of

> my main meal. In fact, there have been time that it seems that it helped

> to lower my BGs by increasing the amount of insulin secreted during the

> 2nd phase release. In your case, the amount of carbs you ate in

Hmmm... that is really interesting! That's something I'm going to have to

test out and see if it's true, because it really opens up possibilities.

I know I went to a party recently, where they had incredible spreads of

tasty stuff. I stuck to the boiled shrimp bowl for my munching. At one

point, I had two bites of birthday cake, a very rich piece of cake. I had

about 4 more shrimp AFTER that and didn't notice any spike in my bg for that

evening.

It definitely keeps it interesting, eh?

Kathy

[Guest guest]

O.K. Kathy! Enough said! What is name of the restaurant and exactly where

is it in Austin. I'm due for a trip to visit my oldest son, who just

happens to work in Austin, and tomorrow is my birthday, and we ALWAYS go

out to eat at a restaurant of my choice. Now you've done your dirty deed

and got my mouth watering. *drool, drool*.

Tootie

Strange (but good) results

the restaurant's specialty is interior Mexican food, or the true

cuisine of the country of Mexico rather than what you typically get in the

states when you order 'mexican food'. For an appetizer I had their

delicious sopa de elote (corn soup). For my entre, I ordered carne de

tampiquena, and as always it was absolutely delicious. The plate was a

rather large slab of delicious flank steak, marinated and tender and

grilled, with one corn enchilada with whatever fantastic white cheese they

use, smothered in mole sauce. It had a rather substantial side of

guacamole, and refried black beans, and mexican rice.

[Guest guest]

O.K. Kathy! Enough said! What is name of the restaurant and exactly where

is it in Austin. I'm due for a trip to visit my oldest son, who just

happens to work in Austin, and tomorrow is my birthday, and we ALWAYS go

out to eat at a restaurant of my choice. Now you've done your dirty deed

and got my mouth watering. *drool, drool*.

Tootie

Strange (but good) results

the restaurant's specialty is interior Mexican food, or the true

cuisine of the country of Mexico rather than what you typically get in the

states when you order 'mexican food'. For an appetizer I had their

delicious sopa de elote (corn soup). For my entre, I ordered carne de

tampiquena, and as always it was absolutely delicious. The plate was a

rather large slab of delicious flank steak, marinated and tender and

grilled, with one corn enchilada with whatever fantastic white cheese they

use, smothered in mole sauce. It had a rather substantial side of

guacamole, and refried black beans, and mexican rice.

[Guest guest]

Fonda San -- off 2222, near Burnet. You will not regret it!

http://www.fondasanmiguel.com/

> RE: Strange (but good) results

>

>

> O.K. Kathy! Enough said! What is name of the restaurant and

> exactly where

> is it in Austin. I'm due for a trip to visit my oldest son, who just

> happens to work in Austin, and tomorrow is my birthday, and we ALWAYS go

> out to eat at a restaurant of my choice. Now you've done your dirty deed

> and got my mouth watering. *drool, drool*.

[Guest guest]

Fonda San -- off 2222, near Burnet. You will not regret it!

http://www.fondasanmiguel.com/

> RE: Strange (but good) results

>

>

> O.K. Kathy! Enough said! What is name of the restaurant and

> exactly where

> is it in Austin. I'm due for a trip to visit my oldest son, who just

> happens to work in Austin, and tomorrow is my birthday, and we ALWAYS go

> out to eat at a restaurant of my choice. Now you've done your dirty deed

> and got my mouth watering. *drool, drool*.

[Guest guest]

Fonda San -- off 2222, near Burnet. You will not regret it!

http://www.fondasanmiguel.com/

> RE: Strange (but good) results

>

>

> O.K. Kathy! Enough said! What is name of the restaurant and

> exactly where

> is it in Austin. I'm due for a trip to visit my oldest son, who just

> happens to work in Austin, and tomorrow is my birthday, and we ALWAYS go

> out to eat at a restaurant of my choice. Now you've done your dirty deed

> and got my mouth watering. *drool, drool*.

[Guest guest]

Kathy, it could be that your good lc regimen lately has allowed your

pancreas to rest enough to produce enough insulin to cover those extra

carbs. This is all I can think of.

Barb, not a techy

> I would still really be interested in hearing some feedback on what I

wrote,

> about the unexpected low bg testings after that meal I described, if

anyone

> has any insight into it. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Kathy, it could be that your good lc regimen lately has allowed your

pancreas to rest enough to produce enough insulin to cover those extra

carbs. This is all I can think of.

Barb, not a techy

> I would still really be interested in hearing some feedback on what I

wrote,

> about the unexpected low bg testings after that meal I described, if

anyone

> has any insight into it. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Kathy, it could be that your good lc regimen lately has allowed your

pancreas to rest enough to produce enough insulin to cover those extra

carbs. This is all I can think of.

Barb, not a techy

> I would still really be interested in hearing some feedback on what I

wrote,

> about the unexpected low bg testings after that meal I described, if

anyone

> has any insight into it. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Yes, this may be true...but don't count on it to be a permanent condition.

Diabetes makes things constantly change, as I've learned...just as I think

I've got it down pat, something changes. So even if your pancreas is pushing

out insulin now after a rest, it may be transient. Keep testing. Vicki

<< Kathy, it could be that your good lc regimen lately has allowed your

pancreas to rest enough to produce enough insulin to cover those extra

carbs. This is all I can think of. >>

[Guest guest]

Yes, this may be true...but don't count on it to be a permanent condition.

Diabetes makes things constantly change, as I've learned...just as I think

I've got it down pat, something changes. So even if your pancreas is pushing

out insulin now after a rest, it may be transient. Keep testing. Vicki

<< Kathy, it could be that your good lc regimen lately has allowed your

pancreas to rest enough to produce enough insulin to cover those extra

carbs. This is all I can think of. >>

[Guest guest]

Yes, this may be true...but don't count on it to be a permanent condition.

Diabetes makes things constantly change, as I've learned...just as I think

I've got it down pat, something changes. So even if your pancreas is pushing

out insulin now after a rest, it may be transient. Keep testing. Vicki

<< Kathy, it could be that your good lc regimen lately has allowed your

pancreas to rest enough to produce enough insulin to cover those extra

carbs. This is all I can think of. >>