Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Hello wpurser@..., In reference to your comment: ð I have lost 80lbs and work so hard at controlling my ð diet and bg numbers and have my diabetes under ð control. Had a check up with the doctor yesterday and ð he said I am cured, no longer have diabetes. Should ð be thrilled right! I tried to tell him my numbers were ð good because of my new lifestyle but might as well ð have been talking to a brick wall. I thought if you had ð diabetes then you had it. He says my weight loss has ð gotten rid of the diabetes. Your wt loss, can put your diabetes into a kindof remission... You may be able to tolerate more carbs, and not need any medications... You may have " normal " hba1c's, but i bet if you ate a high carb meal, and tested at 1 hr and 2 hrs, you would see a peak that would be WAY higher than a normal non diabetic peak... Perhaps you need to do this, and bring your readings to the dr. Also if you change your way of eating your wt will probably go back up.... It is true that wt loss often is enough to reverse the symptoms of diabetes, but this does not mean the problem is cured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Hello wpurser@..., In reference to your comment: ð I have lost 80lbs and work so hard at controlling my ð diet and bg numbers and have my diabetes under ð control. Had a check up with the doctor yesterday and ð he said I am cured, no longer have diabetes. Should ð be thrilled right! I tried to tell him my numbers were ð good because of my new lifestyle but might as well ð have been talking to a brick wall. I thought if you had ð diabetes then you had it. He says my weight loss has ð gotten rid of the diabetes. Your wt loss, can put your diabetes into a kindof remission... You may be able to tolerate more carbs, and not need any medications... You may have " normal " hba1c's, but i bet if you ate a high carb meal, and tested at 1 hr and 2 hrs, you would see a peak that would be WAY higher than a normal non diabetic peak... Perhaps you need to do this, and bring your readings to the dr. Also if you change your way of eating your wt will probably go back up.... It is true that wt loss often is enough to reverse the symptoms of diabetes, but this does not mean the problem is cured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Janet, I'm so sorry you had this experience. Rick made a good suggestion about getting a GTT, but your dr may refuse to order it. Has your dr seen your records when you haven't followed your current lifestyle? I'm not telling you to go out and eat something that would raise your bgs before a dr's appt, but if the dr refuses a GTT, it could be one way to make your point. I was dxed early and lost about the same amount of weight as you did. When my dr saw my bg records, he cheered but then cautioned me NOT to think I was cured. I assured him that I knew just what to eat to make my bgs rise. BTW...today is the 3rd anniversary of my dm dx. Carol T > Janet wrote: > > > I am so totally confused, depressed and heavens knows what > > else. I have lost 80lbs and work so hard at controlling my diet and > > bg numbers and have my diabetes under control. > > Had a check up with the doctor yesterday and he said I am > > cured, no longer have diabetes. Should be thrilled right! I tried to > > tell him my numbers were good because of my new lifestyle but might as > > well have been talking to a brick wall. I thought if you had > > diabetes then you had it. He says my weight loss has gotten rid of > > the diabetes. Now what, I am so upset and really don't know where I > > stand, is what he said right, if so great, if not it means I won't > > have access to strips etc as they won't be covered by insurance > > anymore. I have a clue what to do. Should be dancing a jig but all I > > feel like doing is crying. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Janet, I'm so sorry you had this experience. Rick made a good suggestion about getting a GTT, but your dr may refuse to order it. Has your dr seen your records when you haven't followed your current lifestyle? I'm not telling you to go out and eat something that would raise your bgs before a dr's appt, but if the dr refuses a GTT, it could be one way to make your point. I was dxed early and lost about the same amount of weight as you did. When my dr saw my bg records, he cheered but then cautioned me NOT to think I was cured. I assured him that I knew just what to eat to make my bgs rise. BTW...today is the 3rd anniversary of my dm dx. Carol T > Janet wrote: > > > I am so totally confused, depressed and heavens knows what > > else. I have lost 80lbs and work so hard at controlling my diet and > > bg numbers and have my diabetes under control. > > Had a check up with the doctor yesterday and he said I am > > cured, no longer have diabetes. Should be thrilled right! I tried to > > tell him my numbers were good because of my new lifestyle but might as > > well have been talking to a brick wall. I thought if you had > > diabetes then you had it. He says my weight loss has gotten rid of > > the diabetes. Now what, I am so upset and really don't know where I > > stand, is what he said right, if so great, if not it means I won't > > have access to strips etc as they won't be covered by insurance > > anymore. I have a clue what to do. Should be dancing a jig but all I > > feel like doing is crying. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Janet, my strong advice to you is get another doctor. Any doctor who would tell you that your diabetes is gone just because you've achieved non-diabetic numbers (and this with great effort) is, at the worst, a very bad doctor, at best uneducated. I think his advice to you is outrageous, not to mention a danger to you and others, if this is what he tells other diabetics. (Or maybe he hasn't ever seen a motivated diabetic before and therefore doesn't know what to do with you). You're absolutely correct in your belief that once you have diabetes, it is yours forever, alas. You've worked very hard to get good numbers by losing weight, watching your diet carefully and reducing your carb intake. If your diabetes were truly " gone " , you could eat whatever you wanted and your BGs wouldn't budge. Don't lose heart...just stick with your guns. And get another doc. And if I were you, I'd write a letter to your local medical society too, complaining about him. Vicki << am so totally confused, depressed and heavens knows what else. I have lost 80lbs and work so hard at controlling my diet and bg numbers and have my diabetes under control. Had a check up with the doctor yesterday and he said I am cured, no longer have diabetes. Should be thrilled right! I tried to tell him my numbers were good because of my new lifestyle but might as well have been talking to a brick wall. I thought if you had diabetes then you had it. He says my weight loss has gotten rid of the diabetes. Now what, I am so upset and really don't know where I stand, is what he said right, if so great, if not it means I won't have access to strips etc as they won't be covered by insurance anymore. I have a clue what to do. Should be dancing a jig but all I feel like doing is crying. Janet >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Janet, my strong advice to you is get another doctor. Any doctor who would tell you that your diabetes is gone just because you've achieved non-diabetic numbers (and this with great effort) is, at the worst, a very bad doctor, at best uneducated. I think his advice to you is outrageous, not to mention a danger to you and others, if this is what he tells other diabetics. (Or maybe he hasn't ever seen a motivated diabetic before and therefore doesn't know what to do with you). You're absolutely correct in your belief that once you have diabetes, it is yours forever, alas. You've worked very hard to get good numbers by losing weight, watching your diet carefully and reducing your carb intake. If your diabetes were truly " gone " , you could eat whatever you wanted and your BGs wouldn't budge. Don't lose heart...just stick with your guns. And get another doc. And if I were you, I'd write a letter to your local medical society too, complaining about him. Vicki << am so totally confused, depressed and heavens knows what else. I have lost 80lbs and work so hard at controlling my diet and bg numbers and have my diabetes under control. Had a check up with the doctor yesterday and he said I am cured, no longer have diabetes. Should be thrilled right! I tried to tell him my numbers were good because of my new lifestyle but might as well have been talking to a brick wall. I thought if you had diabetes then you had it. He says my weight loss has gotten rid of the diabetes. Now what, I am so upset and really don't know where I stand, is what he said right, if so great, if not it means I won't have access to strips etc as they won't be covered by insurance anymore. I have a clue what to do. Should be dancing a jig but all I feel like doing is crying. Janet >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 In a message dated 2/1/02 3:53:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, shantiquarian@... writes: > The great part is that as long as you remain in control you avoid all the > other complications that come with being a diabetic Hi Carolyn and All, you avoid all the complications if you are lucky, apparently. I have been treating my diabetes for 14 years. In the first 10 yrs, my HbA1c was never above 6.0 and in the last 4 yrs, it has not exceeded 5.8. Nevertheless, I have macular edema and retinopathy, both progressing slowly and steadily. I'm having another angiogram next week and will be visited by the laser shortly thereafter. Virginia in Va HbA1c 6.0 wanna be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 In a message dated 2/1/02 3:53:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, shantiquarian@... writes: > The great part is that as long as you remain in control you avoid all the > other complications that come with being a diabetic Hi Carolyn and All, you avoid all the complications if you are lucky, apparently. I have been treating my diabetes for 14 years. In the first 10 yrs, my HbA1c was never above 6.0 and in the last 4 yrs, it has not exceeded 5.8. Nevertheless, I have macular edema and retinopathy, both progressing slowly and steadily. I'm having another angiogram next week and will be visited by the laser shortly thereafter. Virginia in Va HbA1c 6.0 wanna be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Oh, by the way, I didn't mean to put down the shit shovelers of the world. If I were you, I would find a different doctor. One that understands that diabetes is a lifelong disease, that with proper control can show " normal " BG readings. And, just because you are in control doesn't mean that you are cured, just doing the right things for your body and that you still need to keep on testing to make sure you stay in control. RE: HELP, please Well, with that mentallity, I think your doctor should immediately quit practicing medicine and go shovel shit for a living. It is great that you got your numbers in control, and keep doing what your doing. Unfortunately, if you don't, your doctor will have to tell you that you got it again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Oh, by the way, I didn't mean to put down the shit shovelers of the world. If I were you, I would find a different doctor. One that understands that diabetes is a lifelong disease, that with proper control can show " normal " BG readings. And, just because you are in control doesn't mean that you are cured, just doing the right things for your body and that you still need to keep on testing to make sure you stay in control. RE: HELP, please Well, with that mentallity, I think your doctor should immediately quit practicing medicine and go shovel shit for a living. It is great that you got your numbers in control, and keep doing what your doing. Unfortunately, if you don't, your doctor will have to tell you that you got it again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Oh, by the way, I didn't mean to put down the shit shovelers of the world. If I were you, I would find a different doctor. One that understands that diabetes is a lifelong disease, that with proper control can show " normal " BG readings. And, just because you are in control doesn't mean that you are cured, just doing the right things for your body and that you still need to keep on testing to make sure you stay in control. RE: HELP, please Well, with that mentallity, I think your doctor should immediately quit practicing medicine and go shovel shit for a living. It is great that you got your numbers in control, and keep doing what your doing. Unfortunately, if you don't, your doctor will have to tell you that you got it again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Congratulations. I do believe the doctor. You are cured for right now. There is scientific evidence that with weight loss your pancreas can repair itself. Now I also believe that if you go back to the way you were before, it can come on again very quickly. So, accept the good new, jump up and down, scream hooray fromt he rooftop. Now decide how you will eat the rest of your life to never have this happen again. You will always be close to diabetic. But, I am so, so , so , so happy for you. Send us all the details of everything you did! You are a succes story. I read about people like you on Atkins all the time. They are reversing heart disease and diabetes. Phyllis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Congratulations. I do believe the doctor. You are cured for right now. There is scientific evidence that with weight loss your pancreas can repair itself. Now I also believe that if you go back to the way you were before, it can come on again very quickly. So, accept the good new, jump up and down, scream hooray fromt he rooftop. Now decide how you will eat the rest of your life to never have this happen again. You will always be close to diabetic. But, I am so, so , so , so happy for you. Send us all the details of everything you did! You are a succes story. I read about people like you on Atkins all the time. They are reversing heart disease and diabetes. Phyllis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Congratulations. I do believe the doctor. You are cured for right now. There is scientific evidence that with weight loss your pancreas can repair itself. Now I also believe that if you go back to the way you were before, it can come on again very quickly. So, accept the good new, jump up and down, scream hooray fromt he rooftop. Now decide how you will eat the rest of your life to never have this happen again. You will always be close to diabetic. But, I am so, so , so , so happy for you. Send us all the details of everything you did! You are a succes story. I read about people like you on Atkins all the time. They are reversing heart disease and diabetes. Phyllis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Janet wrote: > I am so totally confused, depressed and heavens knows what > else. I have lost 80lbs and work so hard at controlling my diet and > bg numbers and have my diabetes under control. > Had a check up with the doctor yesterday and he said I am > cured, no longer have diabetes. Should be thrilled right! I tried to > tell him my numbers were good because of my new lifestyle but might as > well have been talking to a brick wall. I thought if you had > diabetes then you had it. He says my weight loss has gotten rid of > the diabetes. Now what, I am so upset and really don't know where I > stand, is what he said right, if so great, if not it means I won't > have access to strips etc as they won't be covered by insurance > anymore. I have a clue what to do. Should be dancing a jig but all I > feel like doing is crying. Hi Janet, I'm so sorry that you have had this experience. I read your 2nd post as well before i had a chance to respond to this one. In that post you mentioned that when you eat out your numbers go way up. I don't believe that you are " cured " in an absolute sense. The underlying metabolic conditions that caused your blood sugar to go high in the 1st place still exist. You have done an excellent job by losing 80 lbs! Congratulations! This will make a significant difference in your insulin sensitivity. However, it does not mean that you are no longer insulin resistant. In my opinion, you are now a very well controlled diabetic individual. And, if you keep doing what you are doing, you may be fortunate enough to remain that way for the rest of your life. If I were you, I would go to the doctor and insist that he do a Glucose Tolerance Test. This would show him what you said in your 2nd post about your numbers going up when you eat out. If your numbers go up significantly when you eat out, I am certain that a GTT would raise your numbers as well. This would point out that the good numbers that you are seeing on a consistent basis are a result of you " treating " your condition properly. It would also point out that the underlying condition still exists. Please let us know what happens if you decide to do this. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Janet I know people that have had similar results. Get tight control and what appears to be " cured " will change how the insurance company looks at covering your needs. The sad part is that you may have to pay for test strips on your own to be sure you maintain that control. The great part is that as long as you remain in control you avoid all the other complications that come with being a diabetic. If you are able to maintain your control with minimal testing for at least a year then consider yourself blessed. Carolyn Kaminski Type 2, Actos & Insulin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Janet I know people that have had similar results. Get tight control and what appears to be " cured " will change how the insurance company looks at covering your needs. The sad part is that you may have to pay for test strips on your own to be sure you maintain that control. The great part is that as long as you remain in control you avoid all the other complications that come with being a diabetic. If you are able to maintain your control with minimal testing for at least a year then consider yourself blessed. Carolyn Kaminski Type 2, Actos & Insulin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Hi, Virginia...I don't want to sound like a Pollyanna...but maybe without the good control you would have gotten those complications a lot earlier, who knows. Did your ophthalmologist say that it was diabetic retinopathy? Because I know for certain that macular degeneration isn't a diabetic-related condition, more related to age. (My brother has it but he's not diabetic). And retinopathy can have other causes too, I think. Vicki << Hi Carolyn and All, you avoid all the complications if you are lucky, apparently. I have been treating my diabetes for 14 years. In the first 10 yrs, my HbA1c was never above 6.0 and in the last 4 yrs, it has not exceeded 5.8. Nevertheless, I have macular edema and retinopathy, both progressing slowly and steadily. I'm having another angiogram next week and will be visited by the laser shortly thereafter. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Hi, Virginia...I don't want to sound like a Pollyanna...but maybe without the good control you would have gotten those complications a lot earlier, who knows. Did your ophthalmologist say that it was diabetic retinopathy? Because I know for certain that macular degeneration isn't a diabetic-related condition, more related to age. (My brother has it but he's not diabetic). And retinopathy can have other causes too, I think. Vicki << Hi Carolyn and All, you avoid all the complications if you are lucky, apparently. I have been treating my diabetes for 14 years. In the first 10 yrs, my HbA1c was never above 6.0 and in the last 4 yrs, it has not exceeded 5.8. Nevertheless, I have macular edema and retinopathy, both progressing slowly and steadily. I'm having another angiogram next week and will be visited by the laser shortly thereafter. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Hi, Virginia...I don't want to sound like a Pollyanna...but maybe without the good control you would have gotten those complications a lot earlier, who knows. Did your ophthalmologist say that it was diabetic retinopathy? Because I know for certain that macular degeneration isn't a diabetic-related condition, more related to age. (My brother has it but he's not diabetic). And retinopathy can have other causes too, I think. Vicki << Hi Carolyn and All, you avoid all the complications if you are lucky, apparently. I have been treating my diabetes for 14 years. In the first 10 yrs, my HbA1c was never above 6.0 and in the last 4 yrs, it has not exceeded 5.8. Nevertheless, I have macular edema and retinopathy, both progressing slowly and steadily. I'm having another angiogram next week and will be visited by the laser shortly thereafter. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Virginia Are you maintaining that level on diet alone or do you have to take medication Carolyn Kaminski Type 2, Actos & Insulin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Virginia Are you maintaining that level on diet alone or do you have to take medication Carolyn Kaminski Type 2, Actos & Insulin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Diet only Janet > Virginia > Are you maintaining that level on diet alone or do you have to take medication > Carolyn Kaminski > Type 2, Actos & Insulin > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 Diet only Janet > Virginia > Are you maintaining that level on diet alone or do you have to take medication > Carolyn Kaminski > Type 2, Actos & Insulin > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2002 Report Share Posted February 1, 2002 I have never had an insurance company (mostly Blue Cross & Bluecare) that would cover strips for testing diabetic or not unless we were on Insulin. Carolyn Kaminski Type 2, Actos & Insulin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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