Re: Filling Removal

December 26, 2005

Stories like this always impress me, and I must admit I was hoping

for dramatic progress after getting my 2 fillings removed. Didn't

happen. But I don't think the removal process did more harm,

either. They used vacuums and dams and water and I would hope that

more mercury was taken out of my body than was stirred up and re-

deposited.

As sharp as the dentist was though, he didn't even mention

glutathione or possible dangers involved in the removal. Another

doctor suggested getting a vitamin C IV afterward, which I did.

Don't know if it helped.

The wisdom I've read on this forum on this topic I just don't see

from the doctors; it's sad.

>

> Re: Re: Words for Breckenridge

from Enlander

>

> fwiw, i had my fillings removed. no change good or bad. well,

except the

> composite replacements don't last as long, and i am having to go

and get them

> replaced.

>

> jim

>

> I'm not surprised people didn't get much recovery from doing merc

removal if they did it independent of glutathione status. If your

glutathione is low when you remove it, I think you are putting

yourself at high risk, you will not be able to detox it. Also if you

remove it and glut is still low after, I dont' see how one would get

better, and also merc doesn't come out of the tissues on its own, I

think thats been pretty well established now by the DAN! people. Its

important to get the glutathione status back up, work on unblocking

the methylation cycle which would keep glut low, and then once those

things are in place, use DMSA or DMPS to chelate out the merc. I

think trying to chelate or even remove merc in a glut depleted state

would be dangerous. I may be the exception however, having had that

merc filling that had been placed in the jaw (through the bone)at the

root of a tooth at about age 10. Who knows how many years/decades it

had been leaking, but it was leaking like a sieve when it was taken

out with that dead tooth. My brain felt an IMMEDIATE differnce.

Less 'tortured' and chaotic, my balance probs improved in just a few

days (had for many years) and w/in a month I had much less pain and

swelling in joints. I do not agree that mercury removal is useless.

I will go ahead and get the rest taken out slowly when my glutathione

tests are closer to normal. I tested very low. But having that merc

filling out required no drilling or heat, it was pulled out with the

dead tooth intact. And I also had a Myers cocktail with glutathione

IV injection just a couple of hours before my dental appt. as a

precaution, something I plan to do for each dental visit that would

mess with mercury. I felt better after that extensive work getting

that big bridge drilled out and the tooth removed than I did going in!

>

> Marcia

>

December 26, 2005

The wisdom I've read on this forum on this topic I just don't see

from the doctors; it's sad.

my merc free dentist has been doing this work for about 30yrs and he'd never

heard of glutathione. He might have been interested but frankly I was too sick

and too tired to try and have to educate another Dr. He leaves all the chelation

and other nutritional support to the naturepath and rec's to patients they go to

a naturepath or someone else to chelate (he could care less if they do or not).

The first merc free dentist I went to said she could take ALLL my merc fillings

(and some very large) out in one day, no problems, no risks (she says) and

hadn't heard of any body getting sick from it. Yah, right. I RAN to the exit.

The merc free dentist I'm seeing tho actually 'demands' that you take 2000mgs

of vite C daily, he says his patients won't heal right w/o that, and he thinks

any more than that is a waste (gotta remember he's seeing this through dental

eyes and is clueless about cfs). The only thing they did rec. after merc removal

tho is activated charcoal for a little while, which I will do. I agree, sad that

none of our Drs are learning about all this at the rate that we are, because

they aren't able to help us! Prob is they don't have as much time to set around

reading the net for ever new scrap of info on one illness when many of them have

to treat so many different illnesses and even cfs drs have to treat patients

that respond differently to things, one will feel better, one have a horrible

reaction to same thing. Its hard for all involved I think.

Marcia

February 11, 2006

>

> I'm frankly scared to death to mess with removing them. If it was a

very

> simple procedure, I would go for it. But, I have been reading about the

> horror stories about people getting their teeth messed up in the

process,

> and how it can be extremely painful, etc. I don't have all these

symptoms

> that you describe, and how do you know that these symptoms are not

caused by

> other things?

Dean,

FWIW I had seven mercury fillings removed for $1100 in two visits by

my regular old dentist using an alternate air source and a dental dam

and following up with cilantro and chlorella. The whole thing was a

non-event.

B.

February 11, 2006

Where have you been reading about these horror stories? What publications

are these stories in? This topic is near and dear to my heart and I read

everything about teeth and mercury removal that I can find and I haven't

come across any of what you described. I have read some horror stories from

people who have had too too much of the jaw bone removed with a jaw bone

infections.

The www.iaomt.com are well versed in mercury removal and can refer you to a

dentist in your area.

On 2/11/06, downwardog7 <illneverbecool@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > I'm frankly scared to death to mess with removing them. If it was a

> very

> > simple procedure, I would go for it. But, I have been reading about the

> > horror stories about people getting their teeth messed up in the

> process,

> > and how it can be extremely painful, etc. I don't have all these

> symptoms

> > that you describe, and how do you know that these symptoms are not

> caused by

> > other things?

>

> Dean,

> FWIW I had seven mercury fillings removed for $1100 in two visits by

> my regular old dentist using an alternate air source and a dental dam

> and following up with cilantro and chlorella. The whole thing was a

> non-event.

> B.

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February 11, 2006

, thanks so much for this response! Did you get the composite

fillings that match the color of your teeth?

Dean

_____

Dean,

FWIW I had seven mercury fillings removed for $1100 in two visits by

my regular old dentist using an alternate air source and a dental dam

and following up with cilantro and chlorella. The whole thing was a

non-event.

B.

February 11, 2006

.... Did you get the composite

> fillings that match the color of your teeth?

Dean,

Yes, I did.

B.

February 12, 2006

Folks in my lyme group almost unanimously report getting worse after

filling removal. Better to get the teeth pulled, I guess, if you

can spare them. This even after going to specialists who were very

careful. You have to look at what makes YOU sensitive to the

mercury when others have it with less problems. Is there some

candida/parasite/bacterial load that keeps your body from detoxing

or makes it super sensitive? Lymies who got better (from lyme),

stopped having mercury issues without getting it removed.

All those things can be contributed to by careless eating leading to

lessening of the body's ability to detox/fight pathogens. The gov't

has admitted to weaponizing some that are hard to detect. If you

read " Lab 257 " you'll see how careless they've gotten with their

biowarfare labs. Oops! getting on my soapbox now...

>

> I'm frankly scared to death to mess with removing them. If it was

a very

> simple procedure, I would go for it. But, I have been reading

about the

> horror stories about people getting their teeth messed up in the

process,

> and how it can be extremely painful, etc. I don't have all these

symptoms

> that you describe, and how do you know that these symptoms are not

caused by

> other things?

>

> Dean

>

> _____

>

> Well if you suffer from lots of unexplained symptoms that correlate

> with the symptoms many others have suffered from mercury amalgams,

all

> I have to say is stop worrying and get them out!!!

>

> I wish I would have just gotten them out sooner instead of waiting,

> thinking I wouldn't be able to afford it, and whatever else

excuses I

> made up. If you don't have much money it may put you in a little

> debt, but I think happiness should be everyones first concern, and

is

> more important than money.

>

> -

>

February 13, 2006

I only had 3 amalgams to replace; I had them replaced by composite as they

broke. I had an expeience last year that convinced me of the problems metals can

cause. In late 2004 I

overdosed " on bentonite clay. Later I found out that it contains Al. Over the

next several months I underwent severe mental and emotional changes for the

worse in addition to rapid physical deterioration. When I resumed chelation

(taking " Oral Chelation " ) I would see instant improvement the next day. If you

want to learn more about the damge the metals do a search for Boyd Haley, PhD

chariman of the chemistry dept at University of Kentucky is recognized an expert

of the amalgams. My understanding is that they create oxidative stress, shift

intracellular pH to the acidic side and are endocrine disruptors.

BTW I am being treated for lyme, babesia,erlichia and bartonella. One of my lyme

docs mentioned that Dr Horowitz

http://www.newtownbee.com/Features.asp?s=Features-2004-05-06-12-40-30p1.htm

*believes that metals are part of the picture for chronic lyme.

I fail to see how keeping that garbage in your body is beneficial. For the EPA

to have such strict guidelines for dentists disposing of the junk and yet the

FDA ignores the whole issue.

Phil

[Norton AntiSpam] Re: Filling Removal

Folks in my lyme group almost unanimously report getting worse after

filling removal. Better to get the teeth pulled, I guess, if you

can spare them. This even after going to specialists who were very

careful. You have to look at what makes YOU sensitive to the

mercury when others have it with less problems. Is there some

candida/parasite/bacterial load that keeps your body from detoxing

or makes it super sensitive? Lymies who got better (from lyme),

stopped having mercury issues without getting it removed.

All those things can be contributed to by careless eating leading to

lessening of the body's ability to detox/fight pathogens. The gov't

has admitted to weaponizing some that are hard to detect. If you

read " Lab 257 " you'll see how careless they've gotten with their

biowarfare labs. Oops! getting on my soapbox now...

February 13, 2006

I had 5 removed in 2 visits, using a dam and air suction. THe first

time I got a bad case of red eye in one eye a couple days later,

Never had that in my life. May have been a particle flying into my

eye. One tooth now is very sensitive to hot, cold, pressure as it

was close to the nerve. I thought they could put in a shield. He

didn't.

THe next time I held my breath while he was grinding as long as I

could, and kept my eyes closed.

I think it is helping slowly. The composites are turning gray on the

big ones, like there is mercury leaching into them from the bone or

something. Blaylock's book on Health and Nutrition Secrets

really goes into this and mercury in general very well, also MSG,

aspartame, etc. Chewing, heat both release mercury vapor. It can

travel up the nerves to the brain. He is a neurosurgeon and really

backs it up with research from around the world. THere are other

factors besides mercury but mercury is probably the worst. He gives

various things you can take to get rid of mercury, but aged garlic is

the safest, albeit slow. He doesn't mention cilantro. Goes into

chelation etc. very well also. See reviews on Amazon.

Not at least I can chew in peace.

Rob

February 13, 2006

> Blaylock's book on Health and Nutrition Secrets

> really goes into this and mercury in general very well, also MSG,

> aspartame, etc. Chewing, heat both release mercury vapor. It can

> travel up the nerves to the brain. He is a neurosurgeon and really

> backs it up with research from around the world. THere are other

> factors besides mercury but mercury is probably the worst. He gives

> various things you can take to get rid of mercury, but aged garlic is

> the safest, albeit slow. He doesn't mention cilantro. Goes into

> chelation etc. very well also. See reviews on Amazon.

>

> Not at least I can chew in peace.

>

> Rob

Rob,

I was wondering if the book mentioned why he used aged garlic, as

opposed to fresh garlic.

I have been eating 2-4 cloves of fresh organic garlic a day (minced,

with meals) and was just wondering if there was a reason besides the

whole smell issue to use aged garlic.

Thanks,

-

February 14, 2006

I am planning to have mine removed at the end of the month as a

precautionary measure that could contribute to my digestive

challenges. The reasons why to have them removed were pretty evident

to me as I discussed it with the dentist. I'm surprised that more of

the experiences talked about here have not addressed this.

As I understand, the body has a certain 'allergic' reaction to some

types of substances vs. others. This was done on me with a simple

test. You hold a nickel in the left hand while the right arm is held

to the side. For me, without the nickel there was strength in shoulder

and without, there was nearly as much. Well, I could barely hold my arm

up no matter how hard I tried.

This test was done with several other substance as well and is used by

the denist to determine which materials my body will do better with.

The clincher is when I did this test by putting my index finger

directly on a filling. I couldn't hold my arm up then either so, that

to me indicates it's not the best thing to have in my mouth.

I know it sounds a bit far-fetched because there is seems to be no

other scientific basis for this happening. Actually there is also a

test that can be run to determine the findings, but it runs in the $300

range while what the other was free. No question there..

Is anyone else familiar with this?

>

> I fail to see how keeping that garbage in your body is beneficial.

For the EPA to have such strict guidelines for dentists disposing of

the junk and yet the FDA ignores the whole issue.

>

> Phil

February 14, 2006

Correction: I meant to say there WASN'T nearly as much strength in the

shoulder. The denist applied downward pressure as the different

material were held in the other hand...

You hold a nickel in the left hand while the right arm is held

> to the side. For me, without the nickel there was strength in

shoulder

> and without, there was nearly as much. Well, I could barely hold my

arm

> up no matter how hard I tried.

February 14, 2006

Good luck ! I just had 3 more removed, leaving my whole left

side of my mouth mercury free, meaning 6/10 of my fillings are

replaced. The last four are coming out soon too.

I don't feel any worse after having them removed, and I'm hoping it

will help my digestive issues as well. my lower abdomen always feel

bloated and I don't feel like very eating much.

From what I read I could have candida issues because I do eat a lot of

carbs (though properly prepared and I haven't eaten any gluten in a

while) but I have more energy than I know what to do with sometimes (I

only eat twice a day too with no snacks!). I might try going low

carb for a few days just to see how it feels though. I think I may

just have some nasty mercury resistant bacteria in my lower gut.

-

>

> >

> > I fail to see how keeping that garbage in your body is beneficial.

> For the EPA to have such strict guidelines for dentists disposing of

> the junk and yet the FDA ignores the whole issue.

> >

> > Phil

>

February 15, 2006

I'm interested in your bloating.Do you know what exactly is causing it?

Food?Bacteria?Metals?I'm getting bloating now and have never had it before so

I'm trying to figure this thing out.

Re: Filling Removal

Good luck ! I just had 3 more removed, leaving my whole left

side of my mouth mercury free, meaning 6/10 of my fillings are

replaced. The last four are coming out soon too.

I don't feel any worse after having them removed, and I'm hoping it

will help my digestive issues as well. my lower abdomen always feel

bloated and I don't feel like very eating much.

From what I read I could have candida issues because I do eat a lot of

carbs (though properly prepared and I haven't eaten any gluten in a

while) but I have more energy than I know what to do with sometimes (I

only eat twice a day too with no snacks!). I might try going low

carb for a few days just to see how it feels though. I think I may

just have some nasty mercury resistant bacteria in my lower gut.

-

>

> >

> > I fail to see how keeping that garbage in your body is beneficial.

> For the EPA to have such strict guidelines for dentists disposing of

> the junk and yet the FDA ignores the whole issue.

> >

> > Phil

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February 15, 2006

>

> I'm interested in your bloating.Do you know what exactly is causing

it? Food?Bacteria?Metals?I'm getting bloating now and have never had

it before so I'm trying to figure this thing out.

I wish I knew! Mercury is known to adversely affect the flora and can

allow some nasty mercury resistant bacteria to live in your gut, which

is what I always thought it was. My digestion also hasn't been right

for a while, which I'm pretty sure is because of the mercury, though I

have been absorbing enough nutrition for my immune system to be

strong, as I haven't gotten sick for like 14 months. I have been

eating plenty of probiotic foods and lots of turmeric with my meals

(helps with flora also) but I always feel bloated really low in my

abdomen and get some seriously stinky bouts of gas sometimes!

-

February 15, 2006

,

Could you please explain this in a bit more detail? I cannot understand the

procedure for this " test " ? Would like to try it, but don't quite

understand?

Thanks,

Dean

_____

As I understand, the body has a certain 'allergic' reaction to some

types of substances vs. others. This was done on me with a simple

test. You hold a nickel in the left hand while the right arm is held

to the side. For me, without the nickel there was strength in shoulder

and without, there was nearly as much. Well, I could barely hold my arm

up no matter how hard I tried.

This test was done with several other substance as well and is used by

the denist to determine which materials my body will do better with.

The clincher is when I did this test by putting my index finger

directly on a filling. I couldn't hold my arm up then either so, that

to me indicates it's not the best thing to have in my mouth.

February 15, 2006

,

Do you consume dairy or grains? This use to cause me horrible bloating. I

don't consume any grains, legumes or dairy (except raw butter) and I have

zero bloating or gas now. Feels great.