Guest guest Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 On 27 Mar 2007 04:37:38 -0700, pipparoni <pipparoni@...> wrote: > Hi there, > I joined the group today, Welcome > I believe I have candida and adrenal exhaustion, I don't believe > fasting is good for me at the moment because i was a raw vegan for 6 > years and depleted myself, before that I was on anti-biotics for 6 > years because i had acne and my doctor told me it wasn't related to > diet or sugar!. > I have problems with my digetsion and tiredness.. > I was wondering if anyone had ever done an egg fast.. > this might be a good way to get the animal fats in whilst not taxing > the body too much. > i have done water, juice and various other fasts before and all have > left me depleted tired and craving protein.. > would love to hear any thoughts on this If you can tolerate dairy I would do the milk cure. There is a very strict protocol and one not so strict. I can't vouch for the strict protocol having never done it myself but you can find it here: http://www.oldandsold.com/articles06/eat-37.shtml It looks rather daunting. You might try the less strict protocol for a few days (7 to 10 days). The above link calls it the semi milk diet and you can find that here: http://www.oldandsold.com/articles06/eat-38.shtml When I did the semi-milk diet I went to a milk and fruit diet only, whereby the fruit is blended with the milk to make a shake. You could add eggs to that shake if you like as well. But I would only modify the full milk cure if you have problems. The less strict protocol I followed subsequently (2x) was the genuine milk diet using less milk (4 quarts versus 6 quarts daily). You can find that here: http://www.realmilk.com/milkcure.html It is my preferred choice. -- " I was turned down by every record label in LA. Perseverance is three quarters of the game. Talent's only a quarter. Being able to withstand the word no over and over can build you a pretty tough skin. I knew if I just kept at it, at the very least I'd get better at my craft. " Sheryl Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 On 27 Mar 2007 14:23:01 -0700, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote: > When I did the semi-milk diet I went to a milk and fruit diet only, > whereby the fruit is blended with the milk to make a shake. You could > add eggs to that shake if you like as well. I am only about 50 percent sure of this, but I think that blending might damage the bioavailability of the cystine in the milk, which is a major glutathione booster and necessary for detoxification, so I would err on the side of safety and blend the fruit independently and stir it in, or mix them separately. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Oh man, I blend all of my shakes for 30 seconds to mix bananas with the raw milk. That's not the way to go? Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote: On 27 Mar 2007 14:23:01 -0700, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote: > When I did the semi-milk diet I went to a milk and fruit diet only, > whereby the fruit is blended with the milk to make a shake. You could > add eggs to that shake if you like as well. I am only about 50 percent sure of this, but I think that blending might damage the bioavailability of the cystine in the milk, which is a major glutathione booster and necessary for detoxification, so I would err on the side of safety and blend the fruit independently and stir it in, or mix them separately. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 > I believe I have candida and adrenal exhaustion, I don't believe > fasting is good for me at the moment because i was a raw vegan for 6 > I, as everyone and their mother on here knows, have really bad adrenal exhaustion. It wasn't critical until I did three things, one was a fast and then four months later when I tried mastering leptin and then two months later when I did the dmps challenge. I put the time markers in b/c these events, without question, caused me to get drastically worse overnight and made me feel extremely sick while doing them. It wasn't a matter of maybe it was something else, or maybe I was just gradually getting worse. If there is even a question inside of you about whether fasting is right for you right now then please listen to yourself. I got so caught up in wanting the suggestions I heard to work and I wasn't acting out of intuition. Even raw milk wasn't enough to stabilize my blood sugar as I tried recently. Eggs are really good though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 On 27 Mar 2007 16:29:00 -0700, D'Ambrosio <jcdambrosio@...> wrote: > Oh man, I blend all of my shakes for 30 seconds to mix bananas with the raw > milk. That's not the way to go? Like I said I'm only half-sure about this. Cystine dipeptides are vulnerable to " heat and mechanical stress " but survive digestion. If they get broken, the cysteine generated isn't bioavailable. I'm not sure how damaging blending is. It could be minimal, or could be substantial. I'll post about it if I figure it out. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Thanks Chris. Until then I'll try to work around the blending! Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote: On 27 Mar 2007 16:29:00 -0700, D'Ambrosio <jcdambrosio@...> wrote: > Oh man, I blend all of my shakes for 30 seconds to mix bananas with the raw > milk. That's not the way to go? Like I said I'm only half-sure about this. Cystine dipeptides are vulnerable to " heat and mechanical stress " but survive digestion. If they get broken, the cysteine generated isn't bioavailable. I'm not sure how damaging blending is. It could be minimal, or could be substantial. I'll post about it if I figure it out. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I believe it has to be raw milk from cows eating fast growing green grass. Hard to find this time of year in some places, ours just started turning green but I wouldn't say it's " growing " yet! Another diet which sounds more pleasant still is the raw milk and raw honey diet, which I can't find out much about, but doesn't that sound nice??? I'm guessing the raw egg diet might be better from chickens running loose and eating grass as well. Pastured poultry operations still have their chickens eat only 10% grass, if they aren't living on dirt or concrete outright. Mine in my backyard eat only around 15% grains in good weather (like when they can dig and there's no snow!) Their eggs are really different from even the " best " organic/free range/pastured eggs I can buy. Farmers can't make enough money to make it worthwhile if they do it right, cost of food has been driven too low! > > Even raw milk wasn't enough to > stabilize my blood sugar as I tried recently. Eggs are really good > though. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I believe it has to be raw milk from cows eating fast growing green grass. Hard to find this time of year in some places, ours just started turning green but I wouldn't say it's " growing " yet! Another diet which sounds more pleasant still is the raw milk and raw honey diet, which I can't find out much about, but doesn't that sound nice??? I'm guessing the raw egg diet might be better from chickens running loose and eating grass as well. Pastured poultry operations still have their chickens eat only 10% grass, if they aren't living on dirt or concrete outright. Mine in my backyard eat only around 15% grains in good weather (like when they can dig and there's no snow!) Their eggs are really different from even the " best " organic/free range/pastured eggs I can buy. Farmers can't make enough money to make it worthwhile if they do it right, cost of food has been driven too low! > > Even raw milk wasn't enough to > stabilize my blood sugar as I tried recently. Eggs are really good > though. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 On 28 Mar 2007 05:29:23 -0700, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote: > I believe it has to be raw milk from cows eating fast growing green > grass. Hard to find this time of year in some places, ours just > started turning green but I wouldn't say it's " growing " yet! I'm guessing it would be even better on milk from cows grazing on high fertility soil. The higher the brix of the milk the better the milk. > Another diet which sounds more pleasant still is the raw milk and raw > honey diet, which I can't find out much about, but doesn't that sound > nice??? It does sound nice and I used to do that when the thought of one more quart of milk was just too much to bear while doing the milk cure : -) > I'm guessing the raw egg diet might be better from chickens running > loose and eating grass as well. Pastured poultry operations still have > their chickens eat only 10% grass, if they aren't living on dirt or > concrete outright. Mine in my backyard eat only around 15% grains in > good weather (like when they can dig and there's no snow!) Their eggs > are really different from even the " best " organic/free range/pastured > eggs I can buy. Farmers can't make enough money to make it worthwhile > if they do it right, cost of food has been driven too low! This is one of the disconnects we have to overcome when using older healing regimens. Milk is not milk and eggs are not eggs and honey is not honey, etc. In other words the kind and quality of the foods used in the older healing regimens were of a much higher quality than what most of us consume now. So to ape an old program without taking that into account can lead to less than desirable results. It will also lead to one walking away thinking something was wrong with the program when in reality something was wrong with the foods in the program. Any *healing* program (as opposed to a nutritional program where you have more leeway, at least in terms of time) *must* involve the absolute highest quality foods that can be found *if* you are really sick. -- " I was turned down by every record label in LA. Perseverance is three quarters of the game. Talent's only a quarter. Being able to withstand the word no over and over can build you a pretty tough skin. I knew if I just kept at it, at the very least I'd get better at my craft. " Sheryl Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 On 28 Mar 2007 05:29:23 -0700, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote: > I believe it has to be raw milk from cows eating fast growing green > grass. Hard to find this time of year in some places, ours just > started turning green but I wouldn't say it's " growing " yet! I'm guessing it would be even better on milk from cows grazing on high fertility soil. The higher the brix of the milk the better the milk. > Another diet which sounds more pleasant still is the raw milk and raw > honey diet, which I can't find out much about, but doesn't that sound > nice??? It does sound nice and I used to do that when the thought of one more quart of milk was just too much to bear while doing the milk cure : -) > I'm guessing the raw egg diet might be better from chickens running > loose and eating grass as well. Pastured poultry operations still have > their chickens eat only 10% grass, if they aren't living on dirt or > concrete outright. Mine in my backyard eat only around 15% grains in > good weather (like when they can dig and there's no snow!) Their eggs > are really different from even the " best " organic/free range/pastured > eggs I can buy. Farmers can't make enough money to make it worthwhile > if they do it right, cost of food has been driven too low! This is one of the disconnects we have to overcome when using older healing regimens. Milk is not milk and eggs are not eggs and honey is not honey, etc. In other words the kind and quality of the foods used in the older healing regimens were of a much higher quality than what most of us consume now. So to ape an old program without taking that into account can lead to less than desirable results. It will also lead to one walking away thinking something was wrong with the program when in reality something was wrong with the foods in the program. Any *healing* program (as opposed to a nutritional program where you have more leeway, at least in terms of time) *must* involve the absolute highest quality foods that can be found *if* you are really sick. -- " I was turned down by every record label in LA. Perseverance is three quarters of the game. Talent's only a quarter. Being able to withstand the word no over and over can build you a pretty tough skin. I knew if I just kept at it, at the very least I'd get better at my craft. " Sheryl Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 On 28 Mar 2007 05:29:23 -0700, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote: > I believe it has to be raw milk from cows eating fast growing green > grass. Hard to find this time of year in some places, ours just > started turning green but I wouldn't say it's " growing " yet! I'm guessing it would be even better on milk from cows grazing on high fertility soil. The higher the brix of the milk the better the milk. > Another diet which sounds more pleasant still is the raw milk and raw > honey diet, which I can't find out much about, but doesn't that sound > nice??? It does sound nice and I used to do that when the thought of one more quart of milk was just too much to bear while doing the milk cure : -) > I'm guessing the raw egg diet might be better from chickens running > loose and eating grass as well. Pastured poultry operations still have > their chickens eat only 10% grass, if they aren't living on dirt or > concrete outright. Mine in my backyard eat only around 15% grains in > good weather (like when they can dig and there's no snow!) Their eggs > are really different from even the " best " organic/free range/pastured > eggs I can buy. Farmers can't make enough money to make it worthwhile > if they do it right, cost of food has been driven too low! This is one of the disconnects we have to overcome when using older healing regimens. Milk is not milk and eggs are not eggs and honey is not honey, etc. In other words the kind and quality of the foods used in the older healing regimens were of a much higher quality than what most of us consume now. So to ape an old program without taking that into account can lead to less than desirable results. It will also lead to one walking away thinking something was wrong with the program when in reality something was wrong with the foods in the program. Any *healing* program (as opposed to a nutritional program where you have more leeway, at least in terms of time) *must* involve the absolute highest quality foods that can be found *if* you are really sick. -- " I was turned down by every record label in LA. Perseverance is three quarters of the game. Talent's only a quarter. Being able to withstand the word no over and over can build you a pretty tough skin. I knew if I just kept at it, at the very least I'd get better at my craft. " Sheryl Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 On 28 Mar 2007 05:29:23 -0700, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote: > I believe it has to be raw milk from cows eating fast growing green > grass. Hard to find this time of year in some places, ours just > started turning green but I wouldn't say it's " growing " yet! I'm guessing it would be even better on milk from cows grazing on high fertility soil. The higher the brix of the milk the better the milk. > Another diet which sounds more pleasant still is the raw milk and raw > honey diet, which I can't find out much about, but doesn't that sound > nice??? It does sound nice and I used to do that when the thought of one more quart of milk was just too much to bear while doing the milk cure : -) > I'm guessing the raw egg diet might be better from chickens running > loose and eating grass as well. Pastured poultry operations still have > their chickens eat only 10% grass, if they aren't living on dirt or > concrete outright. Mine in my backyard eat only around 15% grains in > good weather (like when they can dig and there's no snow!) Their eggs > are really different from even the " best " organic/free range/pastured > eggs I can buy. Farmers can't make enough money to make it worthwhile > if they do it right, cost of food has been driven too low! This is one of the disconnects we have to overcome when using older healing regimens. Milk is not milk and eggs are not eggs and honey is not honey, etc. In other words the kind and quality of the foods used in the older healing regimens were of a much higher quality than what most of us consume now. So to ape an old program without taking that into account can lead to less than desirable results. It will also lead to one walking away thinking something was wrong with the program when in reality something was wrong with the foods in the program. Any *healing* program (as opposed to a nutritional program where you have more leeway, at least in terms of time) *must* involve the absolute highest quality foods that can be found *if* you are really sick. -- " I was turned down by every record label in LA. Perseverance is three quarters of the game. Talent's only a quarter. Being able to withstand the word no over and over can build you a pretty tough skin. I knew if I just kept at it, at the very least I'd get better at my craft. " Sheryl Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 On 27 Mar 2007 17:08:57 -0700, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote: > On 27 Mar 2007 16:29:00 -0700, D'Ambrosio <jcdambrosio@...> wrote: > > Oh man, I blend all of my shakes for 30 seconds to mix bananas with the raw > > milk. That's not the way to go? > > Like I said I'm only half-sure about this. Cystine dipeptides are > vulnerable to " heat and mechanical stress " but survive digestion. If > they get broken, the cysteine generated isn't bioavailable. I'm not > sure how damaging blending is. It could be minimal, or could be > substantial. I'll post about it if I figure it out. > > Chris I seem to recall a thread dealing with blender issues regarding heat, oxidation and mechanical issues as it affects various nutrients. Was that this list? -- " I was turned down by every record label in LA. Perseverance is three quarters of the game. Talent's only a quarter. Being able to withstand the word no over and over can build you a pretty tough skin. I knew if I just kept at it, at the very least I'd get better at my craft. " Sheryl Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 You've got that right. I charge $1.50 a dozen for eggs from my yard birds. They need feed as well, 'specially through the winter. I'm in the red until I start to sell the roosters and the chicks. Roosters can go as high as $8 a live bird where folks will pay $1 for a 4 day old chick. Go figure. <G> Belinda trying to farm in TN .. Farmers can't make enough money to make it worthwhile > if they do it right, cost of food has been driven too low! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 You've got that right. I charge $1.50 a dozen for eggs from my yard birds. They need feed as well, 'specially through the winter. I'm in the red until I start to sell the roosters and the chicks. Roosters can go as high as $8 a live bird where folks will pay $1 for a 4 day old chick. Go figure. <G> Belinda trying to farm in TN .. Farmers can't make enough money to make it worthwhile > if they do it right, cost of food has been driven too low! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 You've got that right. I charge $1.50 a dozen for eggs from my yard birds. They need feed as well, 'specially through the winter. I'm in the red until I start to sell the roosters and the chicks. Roosters can go as high as $8 a live bird where folks will pay $1 for a 4 day old chick. Go figure. <G> Belinda trying to farm in TN .. Farmers can't make enough money to make it worthwhile > if they do it right, cost of food has been driven too low! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 You've got that right. I charge $1.50 a dozen for eggs from my yard birds. They need feed as well, 'specially through the winter. I'm in the red until I start to sell the roosters and the chicks. Roosters can go as high as $8 a live bird where folks will pay $1 for a 4 day old chick. Go figure. <G> Belinda trying to farm in TN .. Farmers can't make enough money to make it worthwhile > if they do it right, cost of food has been driven too low! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 You've got that right. I charge $1.50 a dozen for eggs from my yard birds. They need feed as well, 'specially through the winter. I'm in the red until I start to sell the roosters and the chicks. Roosters can go as high as $8 a live bird where folks will pay $1 for a 4 day old chick. Go figure. <G> Belinda trying to farm in TN .. Farmers can't make enough money to make it worthwhile > if they do it right, cost of food has been driven too low! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 You've got that right. I charge $1.50 a dozen for eggs from my yard birds. They need feed as well, 'specially through the winter. I'm in the red until I start to sell the roosters and the chicks. Roosters can go as high as $8 a live bird where folks will pay $1 for a 4 day old chick. Go figure. <G> Belinda trying to farm in TN .. Farmers can't make enough money to make it worthwhile > if they do it right, cost of food has been driven too low! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 You've got that right. I charge $1.50 a dozen for eggs from my yard birds. They need feed as well, 'specially through the winter. I'm in the red until I start to sell the roosters and the chicks. Roosters can go as high as $8 a live bird where folks will pay $1 for a 4 day old chick. Go figure. <G> Belinda trying to farm in TN .. Farmers can't make enough money to make it worthwhile > if they do it right, cost of food has been driven too low! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 You've got that right. I charge $1.50 a dozen for eggs from my yard birds. They need feed as well, 'specially through the winter. I'm in the red until I start to sell the roosters and the chicks. Roosters can go as high as $8 a live bird where folks will pay $1 for a 4 day old chick. Go figure. <G> Belinda trying to farm in TN .. Farmers can't make enough money to make it worthwhile > if they do it right, cost of food has been driven too low! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 You've got that right. I charge $1.50 a dozen for eggs from my yard birds. They need feed as well, 'specially through the winter. I'm in the red until I start to sell the roosters and the chicks. Roosters can go as high as $8 a live bird where folks will pay $1 for a 4 day old chick. Go figure. <G> Belinda trying to farm in TN .. Farmers can't make enough money to make it worthwhile > if they do it right, cost of food has been driven too low! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 You've got that right. I charge $1.50 a dozen for eggs from my yard birds. They need feed as well, 'specially through the winter. I'm in the red until I start to sell the roosters and the chicks. Roosters can go as high as $8 a live bird where folks will pay $1 for a 4 day old chick. Go figure. <G> Belinda trying to farm in TN .. Farmers can't make enough money to make it worthwhile > if they do it right, cost of food has been driven too low! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 see aajonus and mercola's info on raw eggs and blending and oxid. i think aajonus says if there is little air in blender container with eggs and a good fat it is ok to blend. pip - have you thought about doing a fast on green juice and bee's egg drink? that would give you all your nutrients and be satisfying. monique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 , what results did you experience doing the semi-milk diet? > > > Hi there, > > I joined the group today, > > Welcome > > > I believe I have candida and adrenal exhaustion, I don't believe > > fasting is good for me at the moment because i was a raw vegan for 6 > > years and depleted myself, before that I was on anti-biotics for 6 > > years because i had acne and my doctor told me it wasn't related to > > diet or sugar!. > > I have problems with my digetsion and tiredness.. > > I was wondering if anyone had ever done an egg fast.. > > this might be a good way to get the animal fats in whilst not taxing > > the body too much. > > i have done water, juice and various other fasts before and all have > > left me depleted tired and craving protein.. > > would love to hear any thoughts on this > > If you can tolerate dairy I would do the milk cure. There is a very > strict protocol and one not so strict. I can't vouch for the strict > protocol having never done it myself but you can find it here: > > http://www.oldandsold.com/articles06/eat-37.shtml > > It looks rather daunting. > > You might try the less strict protocol for a few days (7 to 10 days). > The above link calls it the semi milk diet and you can find that here: > > http://www.oldandsold.com/articles06/eat-38.shtml > > When I did the semi-milk diet I went to a milk and fruit diet only, > whereby the fruit is blended with the milk to make a shake. You could > add eggs to that shake if you like as well. But I would only modify > the full milk cure if you have problems. The less strict protocol I > followed subsequently (2x) was the genuine milk diet using less milk > (4 quarts versus 6 quarts daily). You can find that here: > > http://www.realmilk.com/milkcure.html > > It is my preferred choice. > > > -- > " I was turned down by every record label in LA. Perseverance is three > quarters of the game. Talent's only a quarter. Being able to withstand > the word no over and over can build you a pretty tough skin. I knew if > I just kept at it, at the very least I'd get better at my craft. " > > Sheryl Crow > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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