Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 Hi Donna, Hypothyroidism causes an elevated cholesterol. Mine always goes up when my FT4 and FT3 fall below the middle of the normal range. Could this be a possibility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 Called the doc's office back and asked for more info. This is what they gave me: TSH is 1.82 (normal .4 - 5.5) T3 is 29.2 (normal 22 - 36) T4 is 1.1 (normal .8 - 1.8) This looks to me like my TSH is the only thing that's on the low side of the normal range at all. What do you think? Donna http://trak.to/life www.reliv.com Take control of your health! daisyelaine@... wrote: Hi Donna, Hypothyroidism causes an elevated cholesterol. Mine always goes up when my FT4 and FT3 fall below the middle of the normal range. Could this be a possibility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Nina, Everything you stated is pretty accurate. You have a cholesterol ratio (total-C/HDL-C) of 2.29. Less than average risk for heart disease is rated at 5 or less. A reading of 3.2 or less is optimal. Your reading is well within the optimal range even though your total cholesterol went up. As you stated, apparently your body needs the cholesterol. Why? I'm not sure but maybe someone else on this list can give some clues. Bruce cholesterol question > > > Hi, I'd like help on a question about my coconut oil consumption. > > I have been near-vegan for 20 years. During that whole time, my > cholesterol level stayed fairly constant at about 160-165. Triglycerides > were about 70. > > I started eating VCO about 9 months ago. One month later, I had my > cholesterol tested. Here were my results: > > Total cholesterol: 220 > HDL: 96 > LDL: 108 > [Triglycerides: 80] > > LDL/HDL ratio, and Total/HDL ratio, however, were virtually unchanged. > > Now, I know the whole " cholesterol doesn't matter " thing, so I don't want > to go down that road right now. The jury is still out on that. T. Colin > 's new book, The China Study (recommend highly!!!), finds that > cholesterol is a very accurate marker for many diseases, but only when you > consider 175 (or so) to be a healthy upper limit. The " cholesterol > doesn't matter " people usually consider 180 to be a low-end cholesterol > value, and have done their studies on Westerners eating animal-based > diets. It's the " 190-300 " range where " cholesterol doesn't matter " , > because people are still getting sick either way. The Framingham > researchers say they have never seen an incidence of CHD in anyone with > cholesterol below 150. > > " Saturated fat doesn't elevate cholesterol " is clearly a false statement > in my case: the 33% jump in my cholesterol after 20 steady years, with the > only change to my diet or lifestyle being the coconut oil, clearly refutes > that idea - at least in my case. > > Vegans don't typically have cholesterol of 220, no matter how you slice > it. Besides, what about all the people that had their cholesterol go down > when they started VCO? > > My sense is that the body makes cholesterol in order to effect repair, > i.e., to solve a problem. So it's a bad idea to second-guess the body and > force the cholesterol down with drugs. You are robbing the body of its > chosen repair mechanism. Of course other diseases will come down the pike > if you do that. > > My question is: what problem have I introduced that the choelsterol has > been created to solve? > > I'm wondering if my problem is that other fats (e.g., monounsaturates) in > my diet have been too low. > > I would appreciate any good ideas here. Please don't guess! > > Thank you, > Nina > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Nina I'm not an expert and have no opinion on your question, but I have a question. What led you to try coconut oil? rich cholesterol question > > > Hi, I'd like help on a question about my coconut oil consumption. > > I have been near-vegan for 20 years. During that whole time, my > cholesterol level stayed fairly constant at about 160-165. Triglycerides > were about 70. > > I started eating VCO about 9 months ago. One month later, I had my > cholesterol tested. Here were my results: > > Total cholesterol: 220 > HDL: 96 > LDL: 108 > [Triglycerides: 80] > > LDL/HDL ratio, and Total/HDL ratio, however, were virtually unchanged. > > Now, I know the whole " cholesterol doesn't matter " thing, so I don't want > to go down that road right now. The jury is still out on that. T. Colin > 's new book, The China Study (recommend highly!!!), finds that > cholesterol is a very accurate marker for many diseases, but only when you > consider 175 (or so) to be a healthy upper limit. The " cholesterol > doesn't matter " people usually consider 180 to be a low-end cholesterol > value, and have done their studies on Westerners eating animal-based > diets. It's the " 190-300 " range where " cholesterol doesn't matter " , > because people are still getting sick either way. The Framingham > researchers say they have never seen an incidence of CHD in anyone with > cholesterol below 150. > > " Saturated fat doesn't elevate cholesterol " is clearly a false statement > in my case: the 33% jump in my cholesterol after 20 steady years, with the > only change to my diet or lifestyle being the coconut oil, clearly refutes > that idea - at least in my case. > > Vegans don't typically have cholesterol of 220, no matter how you slice > it. Besides, what about all the people that had their cholesterol go down > when they started VCO? > > My sense is that the body makes cholesterol in order to effect repair, > i.e., to solve a problem. So it's a bad idea to second-guess the body and > force the cholesterol down with drugs. You are robbing the body of its > chosen repair mechanism. Of course other diseases will come down the pike > if you do that. > > My question is: what problem have I introduced that the choelsterol has > been created to solve? > > I'm wondering if my problem is that other fats (e.g., monounsaturates) in > my diet have been too low. > > I would appreciate any good ideas here. Please don't guess! > > Thank you, > Nina > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Is there such a thing as high cholesterol? What would that number be? Belinda wondering about hubby's numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 --- Belinda, " labelleacres " <bilherbs@...> wrote: > Is there such a thing as high cholesterol? What would that number be? > Belinda wondering about hubby's numbers Belinda, From what I've been reading, cholesterol should ideally be between about 180 and 220. But higher levels of cholesterol are not a death warrant. They might indicate an imbalance that needs to be investigated if they are above somewhere around 260-300. Maybe Chris can tell us more The highest cholesterol levels I have ever seen reported is 950, mentioned in this article by Dr Rosedale about insulin: http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/14/insulin.htm I'd be much more concerned about fasting insulin levels than cholesterol levels when it comes to heart disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Figured his had to be pretty bad for the doctor to give him TWO cholesterol lowering medications. His was 360 with triglycerides at 1500. Can't remember the rest. Belinda > --- Belinda, " labelleacres " <bilherbs@> wrote: > > Is there such a thing as high cholesterol? What would that number be? > > Belinda wondering about hubby's numbers > > Belinda, > > From what I've been reading, cholesterol should ideally be between > about 180 and 220. But higher levels of cholesterol are not a death > warrant. They might indicate an imbalance that needs to be > investigated if they are above somewhere around 260-300. Maybe Chris > can tell us more > > The highest cholesterol levels I have ever seen reported is 950, > mentioned in this article by Dr Rosedale about insulin: > http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/14/insulin.htm > > I'd be much more concerned about fasting insulin levels than > cholesterol levels when it comes to heart disease. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 On 3/26/07, labelleacres <bilherbs@...> wrote: > Figured his had to be pretty bad for the doctor to give him TWO > cholesterol lowering medications. His was 360 with triglycerides at > 1500. Can't remember the rest. The question is WHY his cholesterol is high. Also, total cholesterol is much less informative than a breakdown of vLDL, LDL, HDL, etc. If his cholesterol is too high because he is making too much, inhibitors of cholesterol synthesis might make sense. But high LDL can indicate low thyroid status, because thyroid hormone is required for LDL uptake into cells. If that is the case, it makes sense to improve his thyroid function, not undermine his cholesterol synthesis. High LDL can indicate familial hypercholesterolemia. This is a deficiency of functional LDL receptors. I am not sure what the solution to this problem is, but inhibiting cholesterol synthesis isn't going to get the cells to start taking the cholesterol up, which is probably where at least part of the problem lies. Those are hella high triglycerides! What does he eat? Is he eating lots of carbs? Have you checked his fasting insulin and glucose tolerance? Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Like said, high triglycerides is almost always too much sugar. Does he drink soda? On 26 Mar 2007 05:39:54 -0700, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> wrote: > > On 3/26/07, labelleacres <bilherbs@... <bilherbs%40aol.com>> wrote: > > Figured his had to be pretty bad for the doctor to give him TWO > > cholesterol lowering medications. His was 360 with triglycerides at > > 1500. Can't remember the rest. > > The question is WHY his cholesterol is high. Also, total cholesterol > is much less informative than a breakdown of vLDL, LDL, HDL, etc. > > If his cholesterol is too high because he is making too much, > inhibitors of cholesterol synthesis might make sense. > > But high LDL can indicate low thyroid status, because thyroid hormone > is required for LDL uptake into cells. If that is the case, it makes > sense to improve his thyroid function, not undermine his cholesterol > synthesis. > > High LDL can indicate familial hypercholesterolemia. This is a > deficiency of functional LDL receptors. I am not sure what the > solution to this problem is, but inhibiting cholesterol synthesis > isn't going to get the cells to start taking the cholesterol up, which > is probably where at least part of the problem lies. > > Those are hella high triglycerides! What does he eat? Is he eating > lots of carbs? Have you checked his fasting insulin and glucose > tolerance? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Lots of carbs? Sugar? yep! 5-6 cups of coffee with 3 tablespoons of sugar and raw goat milk 3 or 4 cola type drinks Cake and donuts and pudding and candy All in a day But, we have moved away from store bought white bread to homemade whole wheat. He now drinks water, sometimes where never before. Down from 3 packs to 2. Sugar is raw not white. Salt is sea not processed. It's just been slow going... Am experimenting with sweet treats that would be healthier, nothing great to report so far. Belinda > Like said, high triglycerides is almost always too much sugar. Does he > drink soda? > > On 26 Mar 2007 05:39:54 -0700, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> > wrote: > > > > On 3/26/07, labelleacres <bilherbs@... <bilherbs%40aol.com>> wrote: > > > Figured his had to be pretty bad for the doctor to give him TWO > > > cholesterol lowering medications. His was 360 with triglycerides at > > > 1500. Can't remember the rest. > > > > The question is WHY his cholesterol is high. Also, total cholesterol > > is much less informative than a breakdown of vLDL, LDL, HDL, etc. > > > > If his cholesterol is too high because he is making too much, > > inhibitors of cholesterol synthesis might make sense. > > > > But high LDL can indicate low thyroid status, because thyroid hormone > > is required for LDL uptake into cells. If that is the case, it makes > > sense to improve his thyroid function, not undermine his cholesterol > > synthesis. > > > > High LDL can indicate familial hypercholesterolemia. This is a > > deficiency of functional LDL receptors. I am not sure what the > > solution to this problem is, but inhibiting cholesterol synthesis > > isn't going to get the cells to start taking the cholesterol up, which > > is probably where at least part of the problem lies. > > > > Those are hella high triglycerides! What does he eat? Is he eating > > lots of carbs? Have you checked his fasting insulin and glucose > > tolerance? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 <Like said, high triglycerides is almost always too much sugar.> Also from alcohol! Allyn _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of labelleacres Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Cholesterol Question Lots of carbs? Sugar? yep! 5-6 cups of coffee with 3 tablespoons of sugar and raw goat milk 3 or 4 cola type drinks Cake and donuts and pudding and candy All in a day But, we have moved away from store bought white bread to homemade whole wheat. He now drinks water, sometimes where never before. Down from 3 packs to 2. Sugar is raw not white. Salt is sea not processed. It's just been slow going... Am experimenting with sweet treats that would be healthier, nothing great to report so far. Belinda > Like said, high triglycerides is almost always too much sugar. Does he > drink soda? > > On 26 Mar 2007 05:39:54 -0700, Masterjohn <chrismasterjohn@...> > wrote: > > > > On 3/26/07, labelleacres <bilherbs@... <bilherbs%40aol.com>> wrote: > > > Figured his had to be pretty bad for the doctor to give him TWO > > > cholesterol lowering medications. His was 360 with triglycerides at > > > 1500. Can't remember the rest. > > > > The question is WHY his cholesterol is high. Also, total cholesterol > > is much less informative than a breakdown of vLDL, LDL, HDL, etc. > > > > If his cholesterol is too high because he is making too much, > > inhibitors of cholesterol synthesis might make sense. > > > > But high LDL can indicate low thyroid status, because thyroid hormone > > is required for LDL uptake into cells. If that is the case, it makes > > sense to improve his thyroid function, not undermine his cholesterol > > synthesis. > > > > High LDL can indicate familial hypercholesterolemia. This is a > > deficiency of functional LDL receptors. I am not sure what the > > solution to this problem is, but inhibiting cholesterol synthesis > > isn't going to get the cells to start taking the cholesterol up, which > > is probably where at least part of the problem lies. > > > > Those are hella high triglycerides! What does he eat? Is he eating > > lots of carbs? Have you checked his fasting insulin and glucose > > tolerance? > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 On 26 Mar 2007 12:10:14 -0700, labelleacres <bilherbs@...> wrote: > Lots of carbs? Sugar? yep! Well then you know where those triglycerides are coming from -- first and foremost from the high fructose corn syrup in the soda and the sucrose in the other sweets. To a lesser extent the starch. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Yes, I know the diet needs some major changes. Was just wondering what the high level would be, making sure there's a reason to be taking this medication. Knowing that the diet is not going to change, at least not overnight. Thanks everybody for your input. Belinda > On 26 Mar 2007 12:10:14 -0700, labelleacres <bilherbs@...> wrote: > > Lots of carbs? Sugar? yep! > > Well then you know where those triglycerides are coming from -- first > and foremost from the high fructose corn syrup in the soda and the > sucrose in the other sweets. To a lesser extent the starch. > > Chris > -- > The Truth About Cholesterol > Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Maybe he should stay on medication for a bit while he revamps his diet. Hopefully it could be controlled by diet at some point, but it would depend on if he is motivated enough to not just stay medicated instead. On 3/27/07, labelleacres <bilherbs@...> wrote: > > Yes, I know the diet needs some major changes. Was just wondering what > the high level would be, making sure there's a reason to be taking > this medication. Knowing that the diet is not going to change, at > least not overnight. > > T > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 From the New Scientist - Sweet But Deadly, by Gail Vines You can can learn about how the abnormally and highly refined HFCS may be implicated and can explain the triglyceride and cholesterol... In my opinion, HFCS should never have become a 'food'. Its integration into our food chain was quickly followed by substantial increases in morbid obesity. It may not be the cause, but the correlation seems pretty suspicious to me. You can get the article from the magazine online (google) or read a free copy of it here: http://www.chiro.com.my/syndromex.html -- Janice - proofreading? what's that? Semavi Anatolians <in California> http://cobankopegi.com http://www.cobankopegi.com/blog/ (pictures, fun, a little dis'n'dat) How much does she love you? Less than you'll ever know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 , at 85, your dad has just 10% to 25% of the growth hormone relesae that he did at 25. This is the seat of the trouble because all cell activity relies on HGH. A SomaLife program increases HGH release to where it was at 25, in 95% of patients. As the research indicates, it restores lipid ratios, which means cholesterol and fats ratios, and rejuvenates the body. http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ You can add VCO to a SomaLife program to increase HDL cholesterol values if you like, but the real problem is aging, as cholesterol is only an indicator of biological activity anyway, not of general health. Please refer to " The Cholesterol Myths " for more on cholesterol from the world's foremost authority: http://www.ravnskov.nu Duncan > > My 85 yr old father has been on cholesterol medicine for a number of years, > as well as high blood pressure medicine. > He doesn't listen to anything other than mainstream medicine. But I noticed > that his latest bloodwork, his total cholesterol count was ok, his bad > cholesterol level was ok, but his good cholesterol numbers were way low. > apparently his doctor didn't recomend anything to > do for this. This throws his ratio off too. What natural type stuff would > someone take to bring the good kind of cholesterol up? > Just curious what some of you would say? > K > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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