Guest guest Posted August 28, 2004 Report Share Posted August 28, 2004 Well I am definitely in the " heavy " category... am really hoping that now that my thyroid stuff is being handled I can lose. I was losing really well and all of a sudden just could NOT lose any more! Of course this month while I have been off work I have gotten a bad case of munchies. <G> It will help when I go back to work on Monday and am too BUSY to eat. <G> Sue > It's a common injury for athletes and heavy folks, almost always preceded > by a prominent 'snap' as the tendon damage occurs. But it is also a > warning flag symptom for low thyroid function/ low hormone, easily > differentiated by the lack of the 'snap' at time of injury. It's the same > thing with carpal tunnel. It's definitely a repetitive stress injury.. > but it's the same over exertion symptom of someone that is hypo and not > recovering/healing from normal use. > > An athletic injury is lifelong... hypo induced is recoverable. > > Topper () > > On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:34:51 -0000 " Sue " <dance4joy7@h...> writes: > Plantar Fasciitis is related to thyroid disorders? Interesting... I > have had that for quite some time. > > Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2004 Report Share Posted August 29, 2004 Once your body is in better balance... once you learn how to take care of your 'new' body.. the weight melts off.... it really does. My loss stopped when I stopped exercising this spring after an injury... but I have no doubt that when I can start up again I'll continue to lose... .... it's REALLY fun to watch your body work right again!!! *smile* Topper () On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 05:42:14 -0000 "Sue" writes: Well I am definitely in the "heavy" category... am really hoping that now that my thyroid stuff is being handled I can lose. I was losing really well and all of a sudden just could NOT lose any more! Of course this month while I have been off work I have gotten a bad case of munchies. <G> It will help when I go back to work on Monday and am too BUSY to eat. <G>Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2004 Report Share Posted August 29, 2004 Once your body is in better balance... once you learn how to take care of your 'new' body.. the weight melts off.... it really does. My loss stopped when I stopped exercising this spring after an injury... but I have no doubt that when I can start up again I'll continue to lose... .... it's REALLY fun to watch your body work right again!!! *smile* Topper () On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 05:42:14 -0000 "Sue" writes: Well I am definitely in the "heavy" category... am really hoping that now that my thyroid stuff is being handled I can lose. I was losing really well and all of a sudden just could NOT lose any more! Of course this month while I have been off work I have gotten a bad case of munchies. <G> It will help when I go back to work on Monday and am too BUSY to eat. <G>Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2004 Report Share Posted August 29, 2004 Once your body is in better balance... once you learn how to take care of your 'new' body.. the weight melts off.... it really does. My loss stopped when I stopped exercising this spring after an injury... but I have no doubt that when I can start up again I'll continue to lose... .... it's REALLY fun to watch your body work right again!!! *smile* Topper () On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 05:42:14 -0000 "Sue" writes: Well I am definitely in the "heavy" category... am really hoping that now that my thyroid stuff is being handled I can lose. I was losing really well and all of a sudden just could NOT lose any more! Of course this month while I have been off work I have gotten a bad case of munchies. <G> It will help when I go back to work on Monday and am too BUSY to eat. <G>Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2004 Report Share Posted August 29, 2004 Well I hope you are right. <G> But I have to keep in mind that my thyroid problems were not as " extreme " as many of you have had so I also may not have as many positive changes. I still don't get it how he says I should not have had the symptoms and that they can be caused by other things such as depression. But I've BEEN depressed and " this ain't it. " Besides... you don't get DIZZY from depression, and that was one of my problems before the surgery... and I have NOT been dizzy since even though he says the surgery should not have made me feel any different. I am still convinced I DID and DO have symptoms. Sue > Once your body is in better balance... once you learn how to take care of > your 'new' body.. the weight melts off.... it really does. My loss > stopped when I stopped exercising this spring after an injury... but I > have no doubt that when I can start up again I'll continue to lose... > > ... it's REALLY fun to watch your body work right again!!! > > *smile* > > Topper () > > On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 05:42:14 -0000 " Sue " <dance4joy7@h...> writes: > Well I am definitely in the " heavy " category... am really hoping > that now that my thyroid stuff is being handled I can lose. I was > losing really well and all of a sudden just could NOT lose any > more! Of course this month while I have been off work I have gotten > a bad case of munchies. <G> It will help when I go back to work on > Monday and am too BUSY to eat. <G> > > Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2004 Report Share Posted August 29, 2004 I also treat myself quite happily. After years of my own research, I believe that I know more about thyroid function than about 95% of most doctors. If you knew how much time they actually studied this in medical school, you would see that it doesn't take much to know more than they do. I went to a top doctor and after about a year I realized he wasn't telling me anything I didn't already know. Why waste the money. The average GP takes a week of study on the thyroid at university. The idea that treating yourself after doing research and careful study is dangerous is a notion that the doctors love to foster in people. It's good for business. Thyroid replacement was just cooking up and eating the thyroid gland of cows and sheep for many years. People just figured out how much to cook up to feel good. The first thyroid patient who did this beginning in 1890 lived to be almost 80. Then, after thyroid extracts were developed, there was 73 years of people just figuring out how much it took to make them feel good. Thyroid patients generally had healthy long lives. Few were killed by their own ignorance, but many were killed by doctors prescibing huge doses to start with. Thyroid treatment isn't rocket science. One study done found that people who didn't go to doctors lived longer than the rest of us. Doctor errors are the major cause of death in patients. Check out: Medical Errors - A Leading Cause of Death http://www.cancure.org/medical_errors.htm Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2004 Report Share Posted August 29, 2004 I also treat myself quite happily. After years of my own research, I believe that I know more about thyroid function than about 95% of most doctors. If you knew how much time they actually studied this in medical school, you would see that it doesn't take much to know more than they do. I went to a top doctor and after about a year I realized he wasn't telling me anything I didn't already know. Why waste the money. The average GP takes a week of study on the thyroid at university. The idea that treating yourself after doing research and careful study is dangerous is a notion that the doctors love to foster in people. It's good for business. Thyroid replacement was just cooking up and eating the thyroid gland of cows and sheep for many years. People just figured out how much to cook up to feel good. The first thyroid patient who did this beginning in 1890 lived to be almost 80. Then, after thyroid extracts were developed, there was 73 years of people just figuring out how much it took to make them feel good. Thyroid patients generally had healthy long lives. Few were killed by their own ignorance, but many were killed by doctors prescibing huge doses to start with. Thyroid treatment isn't rocket science. One study done found that people who didn't go to doctors lived longer than the rest of us. Doctor errors are the major cause of death in patients. Check out: Medical Errors - A Leading Cause of Death http://www.cancure.org/medical_errors.htm Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2004 Report Share Posted August 29, 2004 Your right, Tish... and I've seen those lists.. more people are killed by bad docs and stupid mistakes than are killed in car accidents. It criminal. ... they even call it 'practice' cause most of the time they are just guessing.. practicing as they go. sad I while back we joked about eating hamster thyroids.. how many hamsters would you have to grill to get enough hormone daily? hehehehehehe Topper () On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:28:55 -0000 "lkwetter" writes: I also treat myself quite happily. After years of my own research, I believe that I know more about thyroid function than about 95% of most doctors. If you knew how much time they actually studied this in medical school, you would see that it doesn't take much to know more than they do. I went to a top doctor and after about a year I realized he wasn't telling me anything I didn't already know. Why waste the money. The average GP takes a week of study on the thyroid at university. The idea that treating yourself after doing research and careful study is dangerous is a notion that the doctors love to foster in people. It's good for business. Thyroid replacement was just cooking up and eating the thyroid gland of cows and sheep for many years. People just figured out how much to cook up to feel good. The first thyroid patient who did this beginning in 1890 lived to be almost 80. Then, after thyroid extracts were developed, there was 73 years of people just figuring out how much it took to make them feel good. Thyroid patients generally had healthy long lives. Few were killed by their own ignorance, but many were killed by doctors prescibing huge doses to start with. Thyroid treatment isn't rocket science. One study done found that people who didn't go to doctors lived longer than the rest of us. Doctor errors are the major cause of death in patients. Check out:Medical Errors - A Leading Cause of Deathhttp://www.cancure.org/medical_errors.htmTish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2004 Report Share Posted August 29, 2004 Your right, Tish... and I've seen those lists.. more people are killed by bad docs and stupid mistakes than are killed in car accidents. It criminal. ... they even call it 'practice' cause most of the time they are just guessing.. practicing as they go. sad I while back we joked about eating hamster thyroids.. how many hamsters would you have to grill to get enough hormone daily? hehehehehehe Topper () On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:28:55 -0000 "lkwetter" writes: I also treat myself quite happily. After years of my own research, I believe that I know more about thyroid function than about 95% of most doctors. If you knew how much time they actually studied this in medical school, you would see that it doesn't take much to know more than they do. I went to a top doctor and after about a year I realized he wasn't telling me anything I didn't already know. Why waste the money. The average GP takes a week of study on the thyroid at university. The idea that treating yourself after doing research and careful study is dangerous is a notion that the doctors love to foster in people. It's good for business. Thyroid replacement was just cooking up and eating the thyroid gland of cows and sheep for many years. People just figured out how much to cook up to feel good. The first thyroid patient who did this beginning in 1890 lived to be almost 80. Then, after thyroid extracts were developed, there was 73 years of people just figuring out how much it took to make them feel good. Thyroid patients generally had healthy long lives. Few were killed by their own ignorance, but many were killed by doctors prescibing huge doses to start with. Thyroid treatment isn't rocket science. One study done found that people who didn't go to doctors lived longer than the rest of us. Doctor errors are the major cause of death in patients. Check out:Medical Errors - A Leading Cause of Deathhttp://www.cancure.org/medical_errors.htmTish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2004 Report Share Posted August 29, 2004 Your right, Tish... and I've seen those lists.. more people are killed by bad docs and stupid mistakes than are killed in car accidents. It criminal. ... they even call it 'practice' cause most of the time they are just guessing.. practicing as they go. sad I while back we joked about eating hamster thyroids.. how many hamsters would you have to grill to get enough hormone daily? hehehehehehe Topper () On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:28:55 -0000 "lkwetter" writes: I also treat myself quite happily. After years of my own research, I believe that I know more about thyroid function than about 95% of most doctors. If you knew how much time they actually studied this in medical school, you would see that it doesn't take much to know more than they do. I went to a top doctor and after about a year I realized he wasn't telling me anything I didn't already know. Why waste the money. The average GP takes a week of study on the thyroid at university. The idea that treating yourself after doing research and careful study is dangerous is a notion that the doctors love to foster in people. It's good for business. Thyroid replacement was just cooking up and eating the thyroid gland of cows and sheep for many years. People just figured out how much to cook up to feel good. The first thyroid patient who did this beginning in 1890 lived to be almost 80. Then, after thyroid extracts were developed, there was 73 years of people just figuring out how much it took to make them feel good. Thyroid patients generally had healthy long lives. Few were killed by their own ignorance, but many were killed by doctors prescibing huge doses to start with. Thyroid treatment isn't rocket science. One study done found that people who didn't go to doctors lived longer than the rest of us. Doctor errors are the major cause of death in patients. Check out:Medical Errors - A Leading Cause of Deathhttp://www.cancure.org/medical_errors.htmTish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 I live an hour away from one of the most knowledgeable medical hubs in the entire world, Houston, Tx. That doesn't mean that there are many doctors who understand more than a thimble full about thyroid disease. I used to be VERY heavy into doctor worship, and I still respect a good doctor, but what I don't respect are the doctors who are so immersed in their pride, that they can't just say, ya know, I'm not quite understanding all of this, but we can work on it together, and knowledge in a patient is a powerful thing. But too many will not do this, and have even called their thyroid patients fat and lazy to their faces, and charged them premium prices to do so (no wonder malpractice insurance is so high, it's their own faults). I never had a doctor do this one to me, no, I had them feeding me all kinds of dangerous and addictive drugs, saying that my problem was depression, etc., etc. Then my gut instinct started really kicking in, and I " ran with it " . Over a several yr period, out of survival, I learned all I could, from one viewpoint to another, scientific studies, looking at all of this from all angles. I could barely bring myself to crawl out of bed and go to work, but that was a matter of survival too. My hair fell out, my skin was like plaster, until my cuticles broke and bled. My joints ached so bad that, yes, I sometimes wished I was dead. I still certainly haven't finished learning, noone ever finishes that, but what can be learned on this forum and others like it, is that it's all true! The number 1 most important thing to a thyroid patient is to be believed. I won't put any percentages on it, but it IS very high, that most doctors simply do not WANT to have a greater understanding of thyroid disease because of rewards and perks from the main makers of the synthetic thyroid T4 product, and an engrained " I'm more knowledgeable than you " attitude, and " I Hold the Keys to the Kingdom, and There's Nothing You Can Do About It My gut instinct was absolutely correct, though there can certainly be other physical problems wrong with me, but this is the one that was devastating me. I had to diagnose myself, essentially. I tested my own thyroid antibodies when none of the numbskulls around my area would, I ordered my own Armour, after spending yrs on T4 and getting sicker and sicker, started my own treatment program, brought my TSH down to something reasonable, when 4 different doctors were too ignorant to know that it was too high (and a constant 5.5 is way too high), and also too ignorant to even test my actual thyroid hormones to see how low I was (and believe me, when I tested my own, they were LOW, both of them). It was absolutely dangerous for me to be seeing the doctors in my area for even one more minute. This IS what was dangerous, that they were killing me (softly, haha?), little by little. My head is only above the surface because of the people on 3 or 4 different thyroid boards, including this one, and my stubborn nature and instinct for survival. I strongly believe that if I'd kept seeing the doctor that I was seeing, plus one endocrinologist, the last one, who also said, BTW, " Once the thyroid fails, it never changes " , that I'd be dead, though things aren't perfect, but better. You can't tell me that a statement like the one he made wasn't hazardous to my health. I spent $450 of my hard earned money for a doctor to essentially tell me to disregard all the danger signals. I work in the medical profession, and I see this B#ll$hI+ every single day of my life, the system, and it's workings. There ARE some good doctors around, as is obvious by the networking on these forums, but that's HOW we know they're out there (and they get bashed by their state medical boards and the mainstream because they know what they're doing and have made progress helping to heal so many people), through this networking and sharing each others' experiences, and yes, throwing things out there that might work. Otherwise, not very many of us would know where to go to get REAL treatment for this disease. I believe in close lab testing, but not seeing a person as a lab test, and I also believe in good medical care by a good doctor, if it can be afforded, but medical care is expensive and getting worse all the time. Sometimes the alternatives to that will be the only treatment that someone does get, elst they die. I think that it is stirring things up to essentially tell the people on this forum that they don't know what they are talking about, and that it may be their mental health that is the cause of what is going on with them. If they want to hear that, they'd not be here, they'd still be sitting in the last doc's office who ignorantly handed them a tranquilizer, mostly, in a subtle way, told them they were hysterical and ate too much or " simply " depressed. Those who have become familiar with the thyroid forums for awhile and who are thyroid patients generally get to know Shomon because, you see, she is a thyroid patient herself. Re: Shomon???? > Thanks ... I am glad you are doing so well! > > Perhaps too it partially makes a difference where we live -- those > of us in cities known for advance medical studies and care might > have different experiences than those who don't. > > I am NOT negating the experiences of those who have experiences such > as yours. I am just saying that it is VERY dangerous in ANY case to > advise people to go against the advice of their personal > physicians... especially over the Internet to people we don't know. > We have no idea what their other physical OR yes, mental, needs are. > > But I don't mean to stir things up... if that is the " general > consensus " of this forum -- to ignore our doctors and treat > ourselves -- perhaps I am just in the wrong forum, as I certainly > don't mean/want to stir things up. > > Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 I live an hour away from one of the most knowledgeable medical hubs in the entire world, Houston, Tx. That doesn't mean that there are many doctors who understand more than a thimble full about thyroid disease. I used to be VERY heavy into doctor worship, and I still respect a good doctor, but what I don't respect are the doctors who are so immersed in their pride, that they can't just say, ya know, I'm not quite understanding all of this, but we can work on it together, and knowledge in a patient is a powerful thing. But too many will not do this, and have even called their thyroid patients fat and lazy to their faces, and charged them premium prices to do so (no wonder malpractice insurance is so high, it's their own faults). I never had a doctor do this one to me, no, I had them feeding me all kinds of dangerous and addictive drugs, saying that my problem was depression, etc., etc. Then my gut instinct started really kicking in, and I " ran with it " . Over a several yr period, out of survival, I learned all I could, from one viewpoint to another, scientific studies, looking at all of this from all angles. I could barely bring myself to crawl out of bed and go to work, but that was a matter of survival too. My hair fell out, my skin was like plaster, until my cuticles broke and bled. My joints ached so bad that, yes, I sometimes wished I was dead. I still certainly haven't finished learning, noone ever finishes that, but what can be learned on this forum and others like it, is that it's all true! The number 1 most important thing to a thyroid patient is to be believed. I won't put any percentages on it, but it IS very high, that most doctors simply do not WANT to have a greater understanding of thyroid disease because of rewards and perks from the main makers of the synthetic thyroid T4 product, and an engrained " I'm more knowledgeable than you " attitude, and " I Hold the Keys to the Kingdom, and There's Nothing You Can Do About It My gut instinct was absolutely correct, though there can certainly be other physical problems wrong with me, but this is the one that was devastating me. I had to diagnose myself, essentially. I tested my own thyroid antibodies when none of the numbskulls around my area would, I ordered my own Armour, after spending yrs on T4 and getting sicker and sicker, started my own treatment program, brought my TSH down to something reasonable, when 4 different doctors were too ignorant to know that it was too high (and a constant 5.5 is way too high), and also too ignorant to even test my actual thyroid hormones to see how low I was (and believe me, when I tested my own, they were LOW, both of them). It was absolutely dangerous for me to be seeing the doctors in my area for even one more minute. This IS what was dangerous, that they were killing me (softly, haha?), little by little. My head is only above the surface because of the people on 3 or 4 different thyroid boards, including this one, and my stubborn nature and instinct for survival. I strongly believe that if I'd kept seeing the doctor that I was seeing, plus one endocrinologist, the last one, who also said, BTW, " Once the thyroid fails, it never changes " , that I'd be dead, though things aren't perfect, but better. You can't tell me that a statement like the one he made wasn't hazardous to my health. I spent $450 of my hard earned money for a doctor to essentially tell me to disregard all the danger signals. I work in the medical profession, and I see this B#ll$hI+ every single day of my life, the system, and it's workings. There ARE some good doctors around, as is obvious by the networking on these forums, but that's HOW we know they're out there (and they get bashed by their state medical boards and the mainstream because they know what they're doing and have made progress helping to heal so many people), through this networking and sharing each others' experiences, and yes, throwing things out there that might work. Otherwise, not very many of us would know where to go to get REAL treatment for this disease. I believe in close lab testing, but not seeing a person as a lab test, and I also believe in good medical care by a good doctor, if it can be afforded, but medical care is expensive and getting worse all the time. Sometimes the alternatives to that will be the only treatment that someone does get, elst they die. I think that it is stirring things up to essentially tell the people on this forum that they don't know what they are talking about, and that it may be their mental health that is the cause of what is going on with them. If they want to hear that, they'd not be here, they'd still be sitting in the last doc's office who ignorantly handed them a tranquilizer, mostly, in a subtle way, told them they were hysterical and ate too much or " simply " depressed. Those who have become familiar with the thyroid forums for awhile and who are thyroid patients generally get to know Shomon because, you see, she is a thyroid patient herself. Re: Shomon???? > Thanks ... I am glad you are doing so well! > > Perhaps too it partially makes a difference where we live -- those > of us in cities known for advance medical studies and care might > have different experiences than those who don't. > > I am NOT negating the experiences of those who have experiences such > as yours. I am just saying that it is VERY dangerous in ANY case to > advise people to go against the advice of their personal > physicians... especially over the Internet to people we don't know. > We have no idea what their other physical OR yes, mental, needs are. > > But I don't mean to stir things up... if that is the " general > consensus " of this forum -- to ignore our doctors and treat > ourselves -- perhaps I am just in the wrong forum, as I certainly > don't mean/want to stir things up. > > Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 I live an hour away from one of the most knowledgeable medical hubs in the entire world, Houston, Tx. That doesn't mean that there are many doctors who understand more than a thimble full about thyroid disease. I used to be VERY heavy into doctor worship, and I still respect a good doctor, but what I don't respect are the doctors who are so immersed in their pride, that they can't just say, ya know, I'm not quite understanding all of this, but we can work on it together, and knowledge in a patient is a powerful thing. But too many will not do this, and have even called their thyroid patients fat and lazy to their faces, and charged them premium prices to do so (no wonder malpractice insurance is so high, it's their own faults). I never had a doctor do this one to me, no, I had them feeding me all kinds of dangerous and addictive drugs, saying that my problem was depression, etc., etc. Then my gut instinct started really kicking in, and I " ran with it " . Over a several yr period, out of survival, I learned all I could, from one viewpoint to another, scientific studies, looking at all of this from all angles. I could barely bring myself to crawl out of bed and go to work, but that was a matter of survival too. My hair fell out, my skin was like plaster, until my cuticles broke and bled. My joints ached so bad that, yes, I sometimes wished I was dead. I still certainly haven't finished learning, noone ever finishes that, but what can be learned on this forum and others like it, is that it's all true! The number 1 most important thing to a thyroid patient is to be believed. I won't put any percentages on it, but it IS very high, that most doctors simply do not WANT to have a greater understanding of thyroid disease because of rewards and perks from the main makers of the synthetic thyroid T4 product, and an engrained " I'm more knowledgeable than you " attitude, and " I Hold the Keys to the Kingdom, and There's Nothing You Can Do About It My gut instinct was absolutely correct, though there can certainly be other physical problems wrong with me, but this is the one that was devastating me. I had to diagnose myself, essentially. I tested my own thyroid antibodies when none of the numbskulls around my area would, I ordered my own Armour, after spending yrs on T4 and getting sicker and sicker, started my own treatment program, brought my TSH down to something reasonable, when 4 different doctors were too ignorant to know that it was too high (and a constant 5.5 is way too high), and also too ignorant to even test my actual thyroid hormones to see how low I was (and believe me, when I tested my own, they were LOW, both of them). It was absolutely dangerous for me to be seeing the doctors in my area for even one more minute. This IS what was dangerous, that they were killing me (softly, haha?), little by little. My head is only above the surface because of the people on 3 or 4 different thyroid boards, including this one, and my stubborn nature and instinct for survival. I strongly believe that if I'd kept seeing the doctor that I was seeing, plus one endocrinologist, the last one, who also said, BTW, " Once the thyroid fails, it never changes " , that I'd be dead, though things aren't perfect, but better. You can't tell me that a statement like the one he made wasn't hazardous to my health. I spent $450 of my hard earned money for a doctor to essentially tell me to disregard all the danger signals. I work in the medical profession, and I see this B#ll$hI+ every single day of my life, the system, and it's workings. There ARE some good doctors around, as is obvious by the networking on these forums, but that's HOW we know they're out there (and they get bashed by their state medical boards and the mainstream because they know what they're doing and have made progress helping to heal so many people), through this networking and sharing each others' experiences, and yes, throwing things out there that might work. Otherwise, not very many of us would know where to go to get REAL treatment for this disease. I believe in close lab testing, but not seeing a person as a lab test, and I also believe in good medical care by a good doctor, if it can be afforded, but medical care is expensive and getting worse all the time. Sometimes the alternatives to that will be the only treatment that someone does get, elst they die. I think that it is stirring things up to essentially tell the people on this forum that they don't know what they are talking about, and that it may be their mental health that is the cause of what is going on with them. If they want to hear that, they'd not be here, they'd still be sitting in the last doc's office who ignorantly handed them a tranquilizer, mostly, in a subtle way, told them they were hysterical and ate too much or " simply " depressed. Those who have become familiar with the thyroid forums for awhile and who are thyroid patients generally get to know Shomon because, you see, she is a thyroid patient herself. Re: Shomon???? > Thanks ... I am glad you are doing so well! > > Perhaps too it partially makes a difference where we live -- those > of us in cities known for advance medical studies and care might > have different experiences than those who don't. > > I am NOT negating the experiences of those who have experiences such > as yours. I am just saying that it is VERY dangerous in ANY case to > advise people to go against the advice of their personal > physicians... especially over the Internet to people we don't know. > We have no idea what their other physical OR yes, mental, needs are. > > But I don't mean to stir things up... if that is the " general > consensus " of this forum -- to ignore our doctors and treat > ourselves -- perhaps I am just in the wrong forum, as I certainly > don't mean/want to stir things up. > > Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 , I'm not a hugger person.. just ask .. she can't even get me to hug in writing... (whole loooonnngggg story about my being a non hugger) so the best I can do is: ... can I shake your hand??? What you said here, really hit home. How many are still where we were... Sometimes I just want to hire a blimp and fly it across the country... all the news stations would be interviewing us.... we'd get the word out!!! *sigh* The Publisher's clearing house didn't stop here last night... *sniff, sniff* So I won't be hiring the blimp today!!!! hehehehehe Topper () On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:19:42 -0500 " " writes: I live an hour away from one of the most knowledgeable medical hubs in theentire world, Houston, Tx. That doesn't mean that there are many doctorswho understand more than a thimble full about thyroid disease. I used to beVERY heavy into doctor worship, and I still respect a good doctor, but whatI don't respect are the doctors who are so immersed in their pride, thatthey can't just say, ya know, I'm not quite understanding all of this, butwe can work on it together, and knowledge in a patient is a powerful thing.But too many will not do this, and have even called their thyroid patientsfat and lazy to their faces, and charged them premium prices to do so (nowonder malpractice insurance is so high, it's their own faults). I neverhad a doctor do this one to me, no, I had them feeding me all kinds ofdangerous and addictive drugs, saying that my problem was depression, etc.,etc. Then my gut instinct started really kicking in, and I "ran with it".Over a several yr period, out of survival, I learned all I could, from oneviewpoint to another, scientific studies, looking at all of this from allangles. I could barely bring myself to crawl out of bed and go to work, butthat was a matter of survival too. My hair fell out, my skin was likeplaster, until my cuticles broke and bled. My joints ached so bad that,yes, I sometimes wished I was dead. I still certainly haven't finishedlearning, noone ever finishes that, but what can be learned on this forumand others like it, is that it's all true! The number 1 most importantthing to a thyroid patient is to be believed. I won't put any percentageson it, but it IS very high, that most doctors simply do not WANT to have agreater understanding of thyroid disease because of rewards and perks fromthe main makers of the synthetic thyroid T4 product, and an engrained "I'mmore knowledgeable than you" attitude, and " I Hold the Keys to the Kingdom,and There's Nothing You Can Do About It My gut instinct was absolutelycorrect, though there can certainly be other physical problems wrong withme, but this is the one that was devastating me. I had to diagnose myself,essentially. I tested my own thyroid antibodies when none of the numbskullsaround my area would, I ordered my own Armour, after spending yrs on T4 andgetting sicker and sicker, started my own treatment program, brought my TSHdown to something reasonable, when 4 different doctors were too ignorant toknow that it was too high (and a constant 5.5 is way too high), and also tooignorant to even test my actual thyroid hormones to see how low I was (andbelieve me, when I tested my own, they were LOW, both of them). It wasabsolutely dangerous for me to be seeing the doctors in my area for even onemore minute. This IS what was dangerous, that they were killing me (softly,haha?), little by little. My head is only above the surface because of thepeople on 3 or 4 different thyroid boards, including this one, and mystubborn nature and instinct for survival. I strongly believe that if I'dkept seeing the doctor that I was seeing, plus one endocrinologist, the lastone, who also said, BTW, "Once the thyroid fails, it never changes", thatI'd be dead, though things aren't perfect, but better. You can't tell methat a statement like the one he made wasn't hazardous to my health. Ispent $450 of my hard earned money for a doctor to essentially tell me todisregard all the danger signals. I work in the medical profession, and Isee this B#ll$hI+ every single day of my life, the system, and it'sworkings. There ARE some good doctors around, as is obvious by thenetworking on these forums, but that's HOW we know they're out there (andthey get bashed by their state medical boards and the mainstream becausethey know what they're doing and have made progress helping to heal so manypeople), through this networking and sharing each others' experiences, andyes, throwing things out there that might work. Otherwise, not very manyof us would know where to go to get REAL treatment for this disease. Ibelieve in close lab testing, but not seeing a person as a lab test, and Ialso believe in good medical care by a good doctor, if it can be afforded,but medical care is expensive and getting worse all the time. Sometimes thealternatives to that will be the only treatment that someone does get, elstthey die. I think that it is stirring things up to essentially tell thepeople on this forum that they don't know what they are talking about, andthat it may be their mental health that is the cause of what is going onwith them. If they want to hear that, they'd not be here, they'd still besitting in the last doc's office who ignorantly handed them a tranquilizer,mostly, in a subtle way, told them they were hysterical and ate too much or"simply" depressed. Those who have become familiar with the thyroid forumsfor awhile and who are thyroid patients generally get to know Shomonbecause, you see, she is a thyroid patient herself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 , I'm not a hugger person.. just ask .. she can't even get me to hug in writing... (whole loooonnngggg story about my being a non hugger) so the best I can do is: ... can I shake your hand??? What you said here, really hit home. How many are still where we were... Sometimes I just want to hire a blimp and fly it across the country... all the news stations would be interviewing us.... we'd get the word out!!! *sigh* The Publisher's clearing house didn't stop here last night... *sniff, sniff* So I won't be hiring the blimp today!!!! hehehehehe Topper () On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:19:42 -0500 " " writes: I live an hour away from one of the most knowledgeable medical hubs in theentire world, Houston, Tx. That doesn't mean that there are many doctorswho understand more than a thimble full about thyroid disease. I used to beVERY heavy into doctor worship, and I still respect a good doctor, but whatI don't respect are the doctors who are so immersed in their pride, thatthey can't just say, ya know, I'm not quite understanding all of this, butwe can work on it together, and knowledge in a patient is a powerful thing.But too many will not do this, and have even called their thyroid patientsfat and lazy to their faces, and charged them premium prices to do so (nowonder malpractice insurance is so high, it's their own faults). I neverhad a doctor do this one to me, no, I had them feeding me all kinds ofdangerous and addictive drugs, saying that my problem was depression, etc.,etc. Then my gut instinct started really kicking in, and I "ran with it".Over a several yr period, out of survival, I learned all I could, from oneviewpoint to another, scientific studies, looking at all of this from allangles. I could barely bring myself to crawl out of bed and go to work, butthat was a matter of survival too. My hair fell out, my skin was likeplaster, until my cuticles broke and bled. My joints ached so bad that,yes, I sometimes wished I was dead. I still certainly haven't finishedlearning, noone ever finishes that, but what can be learned on this forumand others like it, is that it's all true! The number 1 most importantthing to a thyroid patient is to be believed. I won't put any percentageson it, but it IS very high, that most doctors simply do not WANT to have agreater understanding of thyroid disease because of rewards and perks fromthe main makers of the synthetic thyroid T4 product, and an engrained "I'mmore knowledgeable than you" attitude, and " I Hold the Keys to the Kingdom,and There's Nothing You Can Do About It My gut instinct was absolutelycorrect, though there can certainly be other physical problems wrong withme, but this is the one that was devastating me. I had to diagnose myself,essentially. I tested my own thyroid antibodies when none of the numbskullsaround my area would, I ordered my own Armour, after spending yrs on T4 andgetting sicker and sicker, started my own treatment program, brought my TSHdown to something reasonable, when 4 different doctors were too ignorant toknow that it was too high (and a constant 5.5 is way too high), and also tooignorant to even test my actual thyroid hormones to see how low I was (andbelieve me, when I tested my own, they were LOW, both of them). It wasabsolutely dangerous for me to be seeing the doctors in my area for even onemore minute. This IS what was dangerous, that they were killing me (softly,haha?), little by little. My head is only above the surface because of thepeople on 3 or 4 different thyroid boards, including this one, and mystubborn nature and instinct for survival. I strongly believe that if I'dkept seeing the doctor that I was seeing, plus one endocrinologist, the lastone, who also said, BTW, "Once the thyroid fails, it never changes", thatI'd be dead, though things aren't perfect, but better. You can't tell methat a statement like the one he made wasn't hazardous to my health. Ispent $450 of my hard earned money for a doctor to essentially tell me todisregard all the danger signals. I work in the medical profession, and Isee this B#ll$hI+ every single day of my life, the system, and it'sworkings. There ARE some good doctors around, as is obvious by thenetworking on these forums, but that's HOW we know they're out there (andthey get bashed by their state medical boards and the mainstream becausethey know what they're doing and have made progress helping to heal so manypeople), through this networking and sharing each others' experiences, andyes, throwing things out there that might work. Otherwise, not very manyof us would know where to go to get REAL treatment for this disease. Ibelieve in close lab testing, but not seeing a person as a lab test, and Ialso believe in good medical care by a good doctor, if it can be afforded,but medical care is expensive and getting worse all the time. Sometimes thealternatives to that will be the only treatment that someone does get, elstthey die. I think that it is stirring things up to essentially tell thepeople on this forum that they don't know what they are talking about, andthat it may be their mental health that is the cause of what is going onwith them. If they want to hear that, they'd not be here, they'd still besitting in the last doc's office who ignorantly handed them a tranquilizer,mostly, in a subtle way, told them they were hysterical and ate too much or"simply" depressed. Those who have become familiar with the thyroid forumsfor awhile and who are thyroid patients generally get to know Shomonbecause, you see, she is a thyroid patient herself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 , I'm not a hugger person.. just ask .. she can't even get me to hug in writing... (whole loooonnngggg story about my being a non hugger) so the best I can do is: ... can I shake your hand??? What you said here, really hit home. How many are still where we were... Sometimes I just want to hire a blimp and fly it across the country... all the news stations would be interviewing us.... we'd get the word out!!! *sigh* The Publisher's clearing house didn't stop here last night... *sniff, sniff* So I won't be hiring the blimp today!!!! hehehehehe Topper () On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:19:42 -0500 " " writes: I live an hour away from one of the most knowledgeable medical hubs in theentire world, Houston, Tx. That doesn't mean that there are many doctorswho understand more than a thimble full about thyroid disease. I used to beVERY heavy into doctor worship, and I still respect a good doctor, but whatI don't respect are the doctors who are so immersed in their pride, thatthey can't just say, ya know, I'm not quite understanding all of this, butwe can work on it together, and knowledge in a patient is a powerful thing.But too many will not do this, and have even called their thyroid patientsfat and lazy to their faces, and charged them premium prices to do so (nowonder malpractice insurance is so high, it's their own faults). I neverhad a doctor do this one to me, no, I had them feeding me all kinds ofdangerous and addictive drugs, saying that my problem was depression, etc.,etc. Then my gut instinct started really kicking in, and I "ran with it".Over a several yr period, out of survival, I learned all I could, from oneviewpoint to another, scientific studies, looking at all of this from allangles. I could barely bring myself to crawl out of bed and go to work, butthat was a matter of survival too. My hair fell out, my skin was likeplaster, until my cuticles broke and bled. My joints ached so bad that,yes, I sometimes wished I was dead. I still certainly haven't finishedlearning, noone ever finishes that, but what can be learned on this forumand others like it, is that it's all true! The number 1 most importantthing to a thyroid patient is to be believed. I won't put any percentageson it, but it IS very high, that most doctors simply do not WANT to have agreater understanding of thyroid disease because of rewards and perks fromthe main makers of the synthetic thyroid T4 product, and an engrained "I'mmore knowledgeable than you" attitude, and " I Hold the Keys to the Kingdom,and There's Nothing You Can Do About It My gut instinct was absolutelycorrect, though there can certainly be other physical problems wrong withme, but this is the one that was devastating me. I had to diagnose myself,essentially. I tested my own thyroid antibodies when none of the numbskullsaround my area would, I ordered my own Armour, after spending yrs on T4 andgetting sicker and sicker, started my own treatment program, brought my TSHdown to something reasonable, when 4 different doctors were too ignorant toknow that it was too high (and a constant 5.5 is way too high), and also tooignorant to even test my actual thyroid hormones to see how low I was (andbelieve me, when I tested my own, they were LOW, both of them). It wasabsolutely dangerous for me to be seeing the doctors in my area for even onemore minute. This IS what was dangerous, that they were killing me (softly,haha?), little by little. My head is only above the surface because of thepeople on 3 or 4 different thyroid boards, including this one, and mystubborn nature and instinct for survival. I strongly believe that if I'dkept seeing the doctor that I was seeing, plus one endocrinologist, the lastone, who also said, BTW, "Once the thyroid fails, it never changes", thatI'd be dead, though things aren't perfect, but better. You can't tell methat a statement like the one he made wasn't hazardous to my health. Ispent $450 of my hard earned money for a doctor to essentially tell me todisregard all the danger signals. I work in the medical profession, and Isee this B#ll$hI+ every single day of my life, the system, and it'sworkings. There ARE some good doctors around, as is obvious by thenetworking on these forums, but that's HOW we know they're out there (andthey get bashed by their state medical boards and the mainstream becausethey know what they're doing and have made progress helping to heal so manypeople), through this networking and sharing each others' experiences, andyes, throwing things out there that might work. Otherwise, not very manyof us would know where to go to get REAL treatment for this disease. Ibelieve in close lab testing, but not seeing a person as a lab test, and Ialso believe in good medical care by a good doctor, if it can be afforded,but medical care is expensive and getting worse all the time. Sometimes thealternatives to that will be the only treatment that someone does get, elstthey die. I think that it is stirring things up to essentially tell thepeople on this forum that they don't know what they are talking about, andthat it may be their mental health that is the cause of what is going onwith them. If they want to hear that, they'd not be here, they'd still besitting in the last doc's office who ignorantly handed them a tranquilizer,mostly, in a subtle way, told them they were hysterical and ate too much or"simply" depressed. Those who have become familiar with the thyroid forumsfor awhile and who are thyroid patients generally get to know Shomonbecause, you see, she is a thyroid patient herself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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