Re: Dumbing Down our Profession

[Guest guest]

The graduate of the Naval Academy is an Ensign and must prove himself, over

years to fellow professionals, to achieve the rank of Admiral.

Matt Capo, PT

Accelerated Physical Therapy and Occupational Health, Inc

Bay St. Louis, Mississippi

[Guest guest]

The graduate of the Naval Academy is an Ensign and must prove himself, over

years to fellow professionals, to achieve the rank of Admiral.

Matt Capo, PT

Accelerated Physical Therapy and Occupational Health, Inc

Bay St. Louis, Mississippi

[Guest guest]

The graduate of the Naval Academy is an Ensign and must prove himself, over

years to fellow professionals, to achieve the rank of Admiral.

Matt Capo, PT

Accelerated Physical Therapy and Occupational Health, Inc

Bay St. Louis, Mississippi

[Guest guest]

I suggest you visit http://www.fsbpt.org for more information on your

question and concern. The decision to lower passing grades was not done in

a vacuum. Better yet try to make the meeting in September in Austin, when

this very topic will be disected and discussed.

Each state board has a voting delegate that attends this meeting. Find out

who that is in your state and give him/her your concerns prior to the

meeting. They are to vote with the constituents in mind. I am the

alternate delegate for Kentucky and look forward to the experience.

Ron Barbato P.T.

Corporate Director , Rehabilitation

Ephraim McDowell Health

Voice (859 )239-1515

Fax (859 )936-7249

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outside the box

>

>Listserve:

>Being a pr.pr. owner, I would like to hear from the group about your clinic

>or someone/clinic you may know, that has stepped " outside the box " and been

>successful in doing so.

>An example may be, a facility that offers wellness, nutritional advice,

>pilates, martial arts, etc. in addition to formal ortho. PT.

>Another may be a home rehab that does not have much overhead and sees

>patients at the local gym, area assisted living facilties, golf course,

>tennis center, etc. You may email me directly if you do not feel

>comfortable sharing info. with the group.

>

>Please include what city & state the facility resides and what makes them

>different and most importantly what attracts the public to them. Thanks,

>Mike PT

>

>________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

I suggest you visit http://www.fsbpt.org for more information on your

question and concern. The decision to lower passing grades was not done in

a vacuum. Better yet try to make the meeting in September in Austin, when

this very topic will be disected and discussed.

Each state board has a voting delegate that attends this meeting. Find out

who that is in your state and give him/her your concerns prior to the

meeting. They are to vote with the constituents in mind. I am the

alternate delegate for Kentucky and look forward to the experience.

Ron Barbato P.T.

Corporate Director , Rehabilitation

Ephraim McDowell Health

Voice (859 )239-1515

Fax (859 )936-7249

rbarbato@...

" PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This transmission may contain information that

is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable

law. If you are not the intended recipient, then please do not read it and

be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the

information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY

PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately

advise me, by reply e-mail, and delete this message and any attachments

without retaining a copy in any form. Thank you. "

outside the box

>

>Listserve:

>Being a pr.pr. owner, I would like to hear from the group about your clinic

>or someone/clinic you may know, that has stepped " outside the box " and been

>successful in doing so.

>An example may be, a facility that offers wellness, nutritional advice,

>pilates, martial arts, etc. in addition to formal ortho. PT.

>Another may be a home rehab that does not have much overhead and sees

>patients at the local gym, area assisted living facilties, golf course,

>tennis center, etc. You may email me directly if you do not feel

>comfortable sharing info. with the group.

>

>Please include what city & state the facility resides and what makes them

>different and most importantly what attracts the public to them. Thanks,

>Mike PT

>

>________________________________________

>PeoplePC Online

>A better way to Internet

>http://www.peoplepc.com

>

>

>

>

>Looking to start your own Practice?

>Visit www.InHomeRehab.com.

>PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join

>and participate now!

>

[Guest guest]

I suggest you visit http://www.fsbpt.org for more information on your

question and concern. The decision to lower passing grades was not done in

a vacuum. Better yet try to make the meeting in September in Austin, when

this very topic will be disected and discussed.

Each state board has a voting delegate that attends this meeting. Find out

who that is in your state and give him/her your concerns prior to the

meeting. They are to vote with the constituents in mind. I am the

alternate delegate for Kentucky and look forward to the experience.

Ron Barbato P.T.

Corporate Director , Rehabilitation

Ephraim McDowell Health

Voice (859 )239-1515

Fax (859 )936-7249

rbarbato@...

" PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL: This transmission may contain information that

is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable

law. If you are not the intended recipient, then please do not read it and

be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the

information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY

PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately

advise me, by reply e-mail, and delete this message and any attachments

without retaining a copy in any form. Thank you. "

outside the box

>

>Listserve:

>Being a pr.pr. owner, I would like to hear from the group about your clinic

>or someone/clinic you may know, that has stepped " outside the box " and been

>successful in doing so.

>An example may be, a facility that offers wellness, nutritional advice,

>pilates, martial arts, etc. in addition to formal ortho. PT.

>Another may be a home rehab that does not have much overhead and sees

>patients at the local gym, area assisted living facilties, golf course,

>tennis center, etc. You may email me directly if you do not feel

>comfortable sharing info. with the group.

>

>Please include what city & state the facility resides and what makes them

>different and most importantly what attracts the public to them. Thanks,

>Mike PT

>

>________________________________________

>PeoplePC Online

>A better way to Internet

>http://www.peoplepc.com

>

>

>

>

>Looking to start your own Practice?

>Visit www.InHomeRehab.com.

>PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join

>and participate now!

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[Guest guest]

Mike, thank you for your concerns regarding passing scores of therapists. I

have had the pleasure speaking with several professors and have found that the

Board overseeing licensure exams has established an agenda for their exams that

is not exactly congruent with the education provided to the students. In fact,

based on my conversations in class at 2 post doctoral programs (tDPT), there

seems to be a dsiconnect. I believe the APTA has taken the federal board to

court to rectify this challenge along with other issues. UNfortunately,the APTA

lost its case with the federal board, but hey have entered into discusssions to

make the exams better reflect the educaiton being taught to the DPT (MS)

students. I will wait to see the outcome of these discussions (words put into

action) and actual changes made by the federal board.

If you want further clarification as a member of the APTA, you can contact them

to get a complete answer to your question and concerns.

PT

Post doctoral student

outside the box

>

>Listserve:

>Being a pr.pr. owner, I would like to hear from the group about your clinic

>or someone/clinic you may know, that has stepped " outside the box " and been

>successful in doing so.

>An example may be, a facility that offers wellness, nutritional advice,

>pilates, martial arts, etc. in addition to formal ortho. PT.

>Another may be a home rehab that does not have much overhead and sees

>patients at the local gym, area assisted living facilties, golf course,

>tennis center, etc. You may email me directly if you do not feel

>comfortable sharing info. with the group.

>

>Please include what city & state the facility resides and what makes them

>different and most importantly what attracts the public to them. Thanks,

>Mike PT

>

>________________________________________

>PeoplePC Online

>A better way to Internet

>http://www.peoplepc.com

>

>

>

>

>Looking to start your own Practice?

>Visit www.InHomeRehab.com.

>PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join

>and participate now!

>

[Guest guest]

Mike, thank you for your concerns regarding passing scores of therapists. I

have had the pleasure speaking with several professors and have found that the

Board overseeing licensure exams has established an agenda for their exams that

is not exactly congruent with the education provided to the students. In fact,

based on my conversations in class at 2 post doctoral programs (tDPT), there

seems to be a dsiconnect. I believe the APTA has taken the federal board to

court to rectify this challenge along with other issues. UNfortunately,the APTA

lost its case with the federal board, but hey have entered into discusssions to

make the exams better reflect the educaiton being taught to the DPT (MS)

students. I will wait to see the outcome of these discussions (words put into

action) and actual changes made by the federal board.

If you want further clarification as a member of the APTA, you can contact them

to get a complete answer to your question and concerns.

PT

Post doctoral student

outside the box

>

>Listserve:

>Being a pr.pr. owner, I would like to hear from the group about your clinic

>or someone/clinic you may know, that has stepped " outside the box " and been

>successful in doing so.

>An example may be, a facility that offers wellness, nutritional advice,

>pilates, martial arts, etc. in addition to formal ortho. PT.

>Another may be a home rehab that does not have much overhead and sees

>patients at the local gym, area assisted living facilties, golf course,

>tennis center, etc. You may email me directly if you do not feel

>comfortable sharing info. with the group.

>

>Please include what city & state the facility resides and what makes them

>different and most importantly what attracts the public to them. Thanks,

>Mike PT

>

>________________________________________

>PeoplePC Online

>A better way to Internet

>http://www.peoplepc.com

>

>

>

>

>Looking to start your own Practice?

>Visit www.InHomeRehab.com.

>PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join

>and participate now!

>

[Guest guest]

Mike:

I just wish to give you props for having the courage to post your

comments. I agree with some of your ideas, but more importantly I

appreciate your passion for the issue and the profession. I truly

hope that you are contributing somewhere to the professional

association, in your local chapter or a section. We really need

your type to get involved in some of the issues we face. We (the

APTA) benefit from opinions that are not 100% in agreement with the

association. Dont be shy about use of last name and location, it

might help somebody to draw you into an opportunity.

Now, onto the topic at hand: remember that the doctor who graduated

last in his class is still called doctor... so a certain standard

must be kept. The Admiral, last in his class out of the Naval

Academy, is still an Admiral. So standards must be maintained at a

high level. The General, who left West Point having graduated last

in his class, yep, he is still a General.

Thanks again

Simonetti, PT

[Guest guest]

Mike:

I just wish to give you props for having the courage to post your

comments. I agree with some of your ideas, but more importantly I

appreciate your passion for the issue and the profession. I truly

hope that you are contributing somewhere to the professional

association, in your local chapter or a section. We really need

your type to get involved in some of the issues we face. We (the

APTA) benefit from opinions that are not 100% in agreement with the

association. Dont be shy about use of last name and location, it

might help somebody to draw you into an opportunity.

Now, onto the topic at hand: remember that the doctor who graduated

last in his class is still called doctor... so a certain standard

must be kept. The Admiral, last in his class out of the Naval

Academy, is still an Admiral. So standards must be maintained at a

high level. The General, who left West Point having graduated last

in his class, yep, he is still a General.

Thanks again

Simonetti, PT

[Guest guest]

Mike:

I just wish to give you props for having the courage to post your

comments. I agree with some of your ideas, but more importantly I

appreciate your passion for the issue and the profession. I truly

hope that you are contributing somewhere to the professional

association, in your local chapter or a section. We really need

your type to get involved in some of the issues we face. We (the

APTA) benefit from opinions that are not 100% in agreement with the

association. Dont be shy about use of last name and location, it

might help somebody to draw you into an opportunity.

Now, onto the topic at hand: remember that the doctor who graduated

last in his class is still called doctor... so a certain standard

must be kept. The Admiral, last in his class out of the Naval

Academy, is still an Admiral. So standards must be maintained at a

high level. The General, who left West Point having graduated last

in his class, yep, he is still a General.

Thanks again

Simonetti, PT

[Guest guest]

Mike, the current issue of the Federation forum has an article in it explaining

the process that the Federation used to determine that the score should be

lowered. The recommendation was made by a panel of 12 PT's moderated by a

nationally recognized psychometrician. I would contact Mark Lane, PT,

() who is the Federation's VP of Professional Standards and

Assessment. He can answer all of your questions. I am the current Chair of the

Oregon Physical Therapist Licensing Board and the Board was very concerned

initially until we understood how the process was conducted. It seemed to the

Board to be more of an issue of insuring that the score was fair to the

candidates taking the test rather than dumbing down the test.

Zarosinski, PT, MS

Rehab Manager

Providence St. Medical Center

Portland, OR

outside the box

>

>Listserve:

>Being a pr.pr. owner, I would like to hear from the group about your clinic

>or someone/clinic you may know, that has stepped " outside the box " and been

>successful in doing so.

>An example may be, a facility that offers wellness, nutritional advice,

>pilates, martial arts, etc. in addition to formal ortho. PT.

>Another may be a home rehab that does not have much overhead and sees

>patients at the local gym, area assisted living facilties, golf course,

>tennis center, etc. You may email me directly if you do not feel

>comfortable sharing info. with the group.

>

>Please include what city & state the facility resides and what makes them

>different and most importantly what attracts the public to them. Thanks,

>Mike PT

>

>________________________________________

>PeoplePC Online

>A better way to Internet

>http://www.peoplepc.com

>

>

>

>

>Looking to start your own Practice?

>Visit www.InHomeRehab.com.

>PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join

>and participate now!

>

[Guest guest]

Mike, the current issue of the Federation forum has an article in it explaining

the process that the Federation used to determine that the score should be

lowered. The recommendation was made by a panel of 12 PT's moderated by a

nationally recognized psychometrician. I would contact Mark Lane, PT,

() who is the Federation's VP of Professional Standards and

Assessment. He can answer all of your questions. I am the current Chair of the

Oregon Physical Therapist Licensing Board and the Board was very concerned

initially until we understood how the process was conducted. It seemed to the

Board to be more of an issue of insuring that the score was fair to the

candidates taking the test rather than dumbing down the test.

Zarosinski, PT, MS

Rehab Manager

Providence St. Medical Center

Portland, OR

outside the box

>

>Listserve:

>Being a pr.pr. owner, I would like to hear from the group about your clinic

>or someone/clinic you may know, that has stepped " outside the box " and been

>successful in doing so.

>An example may be, a facility that offers wellness, nutritional advice,

>pilates, martial arts, etc. in addition to formal ortho. PT.

>Another may be a home rehab that does not have much overhead and sees

>patients at the local gym, area assisted living facilties, golf course,

>tennis center, etc. You may email me directly if you do not feel

>comfortable sharing info. with the group.

>

>Please include what city & state the facility resides and what makes them

>different and most importantly what attracts the public to them. Thanks,

>Mike PT

>

>________________________________________

>PeoplePC Online

>A better way to Internet

>http://www.peoplepc.com

>

>

>

>

>Looking to start your own Practice?

>Visit www.InHomeRehab.com.

>PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join

>and participate now!

>

[Guest guest]

Mike, the current issue of the Federation forum has an article in it explaining

the process that the Federation used to determine that the score should be

lowered. The recommendation was made by a panel of 12 PT's moderated by a

nationally recognized psychometrician. I would contact Mark Lane, PT,

() who is the Federation's VP of Professional Standards and

Assessment. He can answer all of your questions. I am the current Chair of the

Oregon Physical Therapist Licensing Board and the Board was very concerned

initially until we understood how the process was conducted. It seemed to the

Board to be more of an issue of insuring that the score was fair to the

candidates taking the test rather than dumbing down the test.

Zarosinski, PT, MS

Rehab Manager

Providence St. Medical Center

Portland, OR

outside the box

>

>Listserve:

>Being a pr.pr. owner, I would like to hear from the group about your clinic

>or someone/clinic you may know, that has stepped " outside the box " and been

>successful in doing so.

>An example may be, a facility that offers wellness, nutritional advice,

>pilates, martial arts, etc. in addition to formal ortho. PT.

>Another may be a home rehab that does not have much overhead and sees

>patients at the local gym, area assisted living facilties, golf course,

>tennis center, etc. You may email me directly if you do not feel

>comfortable sharing info. with the group.

>

>Please include what city & state the facility resides and what makes them

>different and most importantly what attracts the public to them. Thanks,

>Mike PT

>

>________________________________________

>PeoplePC Online

>A better way to Internet

>http://www.peoplepc.com

>

>

>

>

>Looking to start your own Practice?

>Visit www.InHomeRehab.com.

>PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join

>and participate now!

>

[Guest guest]

I seem to recall Senator McCain was last in his class at the Naval

Academy. So it's always nice to be reminded that past performance is not always

an accurate predictor of future results/success.

Tony Lynch

[Guest guest]

I seem to recall Senator McCain was last in his class at the Naval

Academy. So it's always nice to be reminded that past performance is not always

an accurate predictor of future results/success.

Tony Lynch

[Guest guest]

I think your point about trying to find out more information is an important

one. The issue of exam validity, passing scores, content validity are more

complex that what they appear on the surface.

The APTA pursued the legal challenge to the fee hike as a way to help

represent those that had no representation in the decision making regarding

fees,

namely the student taking the exam. In addition, other aspects of the case were

related to the Federation meeting the requirements of the contract they had

with APTA as to the makeup of the groups in FSBPT who make up the content and

questions for the exam. The Federation and APTA settled this with FSBPT moving

to

make changes to be in line with their contractual responsibilities. APTA

members can get this information at the website.

I would assume that both organizations are continuing to talk to insure that

the exam is one that the profession can be proud of and feel that it is

consistent with the academic training of our newest colleagues.

Jim Dunleavy PT, MS

Administrative Director Rehab Services

Trinitas Hospital

New Jersey

In a message dated 8/11/2005 7:30:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jdgpt@... writes:

I work with two recent graduate DPTs from the Univ. of St. Augustine whom

are very well prepared in all aspects of professional practice.

They have relayed first hand experience with the degree of exam

invalidity...questions on the correct pt. position for chest tube insertion,

etc. ?

I agree that the lowering of exam score passing grade is inexcuseable as a

long term solution. However, if the motive is to avoid hardship for

otherwise well prepared PTs due to poor exam construct, I may be able to

support that. Of course it's impossible to form a well reasoned opinion

without more information.

Jeff Geyer, PT

Ormond Beach, FL

Dumbing Down our Profession

>

>

> I just finished the latest PT advance magazine and found an interesting

> article on the National PT Licensure Exam. It appears that the pass rate

> has fallen off significantly over the past few years and our lovely

> National

> Organization is concerned. So, to help reduce the number of fails, there

> is

> a movement to lower the passing score required!

>

> Now, with all the push toward DPT, I would hope our organization would be

> more concerned about the level of therapist that is coming out of school.

> I

> don't recall having too much difficulty with the test. In fact, I

> remember

> not too long ago when PT schools were recruiting students to come to

> school

> and letting people in that wouldn't otherwise qualify....I even know PTA's

> that were cold called to ask if they were interested. Why is our APTA

> standing by while schools lower their standards, pump out lesser qualified

> PT's, and have higher failure rates, while at the same time praising the

> efforts to change to a DPT and helping to lower the Passing Exam score?

>

> Would those of you out there reading this feel comfortable going to an MD

> that just graduated and passed his exams after they lowered the required

> score to get them there. I sure wouldn't, and neither would my family.

>

> If anything, I feel the national exam should be harder. Lets weed out

> those

> who know their stuff from those that don't. I know, " I'm not a good test

> taker. " Fine, add a practical portion to the exam. I believe some states

> currently have a practical portion. I just find it unbelievable that our

> profession is pushing for higher degrees but they don't seem concerned

> that

> those with that degree are not as well qualified.

>

> I'll end this by saying that I have a MSPT and I work with BS/DPT

> therapists. Some are good and some are average regardless of their

> degree.

> So, I don't care what you call yourself, you are a therapist and you'd

> better know your stuff. Our profession will suffer in the near future if

> we

> allow our National licensure exam to lower standards just to increase our

> pass rate.

>

> Let me know what you think either here or privately.

>

> Mike

[Guest guest]

I think your point about trying to find out more information is an important

one. The issue of exam validity, passing scores, content validity are more

complex that what they appear on the surface.

The APTA pursued the legal challenge to the fee hike as a way to help

represent those that had no representation in the decision making regarding

fees,

namely the student taking the exam. In addition, other aspects of the case were

related to the Federation meeting the requirements of the contract they had

with APTA as to the makeup of the groups in FSBPT who make up the content and

questions for the exam. The Federation and APTA settled this with FSBPT moving

to

make changes to be in line with their contractual responsibilities. APTA

members can get this information at the website.

I would assume that both organizations are continuing to talk to insure that

the exam is one that the profession can be proud of and feel that it is

consistent with the academic training of our newest colleagues.

Jim Dunleavy PT, MS

Administrative Director Rehab Services

Trinitas Hospital

New Jersey

In a message dated 8/11/2005 7:30:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jdgpt@... writes:

I work with two recent graduate DPTs from the Univ. of St. Augustine whom

are very well prepared in all aspects of professional practice.

They have relayed first hand experience with the degree of exam

invalidity...questions on the correct pt. position for chest tube insertion,

etc. ?

I agree that the lowering of exam score passing grade is inexcuseable as a

long term solution. However, if the motive is to avoid hardship for

otherwise well prepared PTs due to poor exam construct, I may be able to

support that. Of course it's impossible to form a well reasoned opinion

without more information.

Jeff Geyer, PT

Ormond Beach, FL

Dumbing Down our Profession

>

>

> I just finished the latest PT advance magazine and found an interesting

> article on the National PT Licensure Exam. It appears that the pass rate

> has fallen off significantly over the past few years and our lovely

> National

> Organization is concerned. So, to help reduce the number of fails, there

> is

> a movement to lower the passing score required!

>

> Now, with all the push toward DPT, I would hope our organization would be

> more concerned about the level of therapist that is coming out of school.

> I

> don't recall having too much difficulty with the test. In fact, I

> remember

> not too long ago when PT schools were recruiting students to come to

> school

> and letting people in that wouldn't otherwise qualify....I even know PTA's

> that were cold called to ask if they were interested. Why is our APTA

> standing by while schools lower their standards, pump out lesser qualified

> PT's, and have higher failure rates, while at the same time praising the

> efforts to change to a DPT and helping to lower the Passing Exam score?

>

> Would those of you out there reading this feel comfortable going to an MD

> that just graduated and passed his exams after they lowered the required

> score to get them there. I sure wouldn't, and neither would my family.

>

> If anything, I feel the national exam should be harder. Lets weed out

> those

> who know their stuff from those that don't. I know, " I'm not a good test

> taker. " Fine, add a practical portion to the exam. I believe some states

> currently have a practical portion. I just find it unbelievable that our

> profession is pushing for higher degrees but they don't seem concerned

> that

> those with that degree are not as well qualified.

>

> I'll end this by saying that I have a MSPT and I work with BS/DPT

> therapists. Some are good and some are average regardless of their

> degree.

> So, I don't care what you call yourself, you are a therapist and you'd

> better know your stuff. Our profession will suffer in the near future if

> we

> allow our National licensure exam to lower standards just to increase our

> pass rate.

>

> Let me know what you think either here or privately.

>

> Mike

[Guest guest]

I work with two recent graduate DPTs from the Univ. of St. Augustine whom

are very well prepared in all aspects of professional practice.

They have relayed first hand experience with the degree of exam

invalidity...questions on the correct pt. position for chest tube insertion,

etc. ?

I agree that the lowering of exam score passing grade is inexcuseable as a

long term solution. However, if the motive is to avoid hardship for

otherwise well prepared PTs due to poor exam construct, I may be able to

support that. Of course it's impossible to form a well reasoned opinion

without more information.

Jeff Geyer, PT

Ormond Beach, FL

outside the box

>>

>>Listserve:

>>Being a pr.pr. owner, I would like to hear from the group about your

>>clinic

>>or someone/clinic you may know, that has stepped " outside the box " and

>>been

>>successful in doing so.

>>An example may be, a facility that offers wellness, nutritional advice,

>>pilates, martial arts, etc. in addition to formal ortho. PT.

>>Another may be a home rehab that does not have much overhead and sees

>>patients at the local gym, area assisted living facilties, golf course,

>>tennis center, etc. You may email me directly if you do not feel

>>comfortable sharing info. with the group.

>>

>>Please include what city & state the facility resides and what makes them

>>different and most importantly what attracts the public to them. Thanks,

>>Mike PT

>>

>>________________________________________

>>PeoplePC Online

>>A better way to Internet

>>http://www.peoplepc.com

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>Looking to start your own Practice?

>>Visit www.InHomeRehab.com.

>>PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join

>>and participate now!

>>

[Guest guest]

I work with two recent graduate DPTs from the Univ. of St. Augustine whom

are very well prepared in all aspects of professional practice.

They have relayed first hand experience with the degree of exam

invalidity...questions on the correct pt. position for chest tube insertion,

etc. ?

I agree that the lowering of exam score passing grade is inexcuseable as a

long term solution. However, if the motive is to avoid hardship for

otherwise well prepared PTs due to poor exam construct, I may be able to

support that. Of course it's impossible to form a well reasoned opinion

without more information.

Jeff Geyer, PT

Ormond Beach, FL

outside the box

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>>Listserve:

>>Being a pr.pr. owner, I would like to hear from the group about your

>>clinic

>>or someone/clinic you may know, that has stepped " outside the box " and

>>been

>>successful in doing so.

>>An example may be, a facility that offers wellness, nutritional advice,

>>pilates, martial arts, etc. in addition to formal ortho. PT.

>>Another may be a home rehab that does not have much overhead and sees

>>patients at the local gym, area assisted living facilties, golf course,

>>tennis center, etc. You may email me directly if you do not feel

>>comfortable sharing info. with the group.

>>

>>Please include what city & state the facility resides and what makes them

>>different and most importantly what attracts the public to them. Thanks,

>>Mike PT

>>

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[Guest guest]

I work with two recent graduate DPTs from the Univ. of St. Augustine whom

are very well prepared in all aspects of professional practice.

They have relayed first hand experience with the degree of exam

invalidity...questions on the correct pt. position for chest tube insertion,

etc. ?

I agree that the lowering of exam score passing grade is inexcuseable as a

long term solution. However, if the motive is to avoid hardship for

otherwise well prepared PTs due to poor exam construct, I may be able to

support that. Of course it's impossible to form a well reasoned opinion

without more information.

Jeff Geyer, PT

Ormond Beach, FL

outside the box

>>

>>Listserve:

>>Being a pr.pr. owner, I would like to hear from the group about your

>>clinic

>>or someone/clinic you may know, that has stepped " outside the box " and

>>been

>>successful in doing so.

>>An example may be, a facility that offers wellness, nutritional advice,

>>pilates, martial arts, etc. in addition to formal ortho. PT.

>>Another may be a home rehab that does not have much overhead and sees

>>patients at the local gym, area assisted living facilties, golf course,

>>tennis center, etc. You may email me directly if you do not feel

>>comfortable sharing info. with the group.

>>

>>Please include what city & state the facility resides and what makes them

>>different and most importantly what attracts the public to them. Thanks,

>>Mike PT

>>

>>________________________________________

>>PeoplePC Online

>>A better way to Internet

>>http://www.peoplepc.com

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>Looking to start your own Practice?

>>Visit www.InHomeRehab.com.

>>PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join

>>and participate now!

>>

[Guest guest]

Tony,

I don't know if this is true what you say about McCain but, if it

is, he met the criteria and the academies are not known for lowering their

standards to pass more people. They work harder at recruiting better people.

Matt Capo, PT

Accelerated Physical Therapy and Occuptional Health, Inc.

Bay St. Louis, Mississippi

[Guest guest]

Tony,

I don't know if this is true what you say about McCain but, if it

is, he met the criteria and the academies are not known for lowering their

standards to pass more people. They work harder at recruiting better people.

Matt Capo, PT

Accelerated Physical Therapy and Occuptional Health, Inc.

Bay St. Louis, Mississippi

[Guest guest]

Tony,

I don't know if this is true what you say about McCain but, if it

is, he met the criteria and the academies are not known for lowering their

standards to pass more people. They work harder at recruiting better people.

Matt Capo, PT

Accelerated Physical Therapy and Occuptional Health, Inc.

Bay St. Louis, Mississippi

[Guest guest]

Thank you to all who have given input into this topic. I have received lots

of good information both privately and on this listserv. I look forward to

further discussion and I plan on reading up some more based on the info

provided by other members. While many have pointed out that the person who

finishes last in school still deserves the same degree as the one who

finished first, it should be reiterated that the topic was LOWERING the

passing grade, not worrying about the PT that passed by one question based

on the earlier tests. I found the test to be vague and difficult to

understand the point of some questions....I did, however, manage to pass

without difficulty. If the test questions are inappropriate to the

education provided (and the education is appropriate) then I support

rewriting the exam. I don't mean to ruffle feathers here or drag our

profession down, I just feel education is our best friend when it comes to

promoting/furthering our profession and I want to stimulate discussion and

get educated myself. I would be interested to know the Pass/Fail rate from

my institution over the past few years as it was 99% first time passing when

I graduated. I plan on emailing them to find out if their numbers have

fallen off. Thanks again everyone.

Mike McClain

TN (Yes, I'm an APTA member....for those of you who insist that nonmembers

have no right to criticize)

>From: acceleratedptbsl@...

>Reply-To: PTManager

>To: PTManager

>Subject: Re: Re: Dumbing Down our Profession

>Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 02:06:38 EDT

>

>Tony,

> I don't know if this is true what you say about McCain but, if

>it

>is, he met the criteria and the academies are not known for lowering their

>standards to pass more people. They work harder at recruiting better

>people.

>Matt Capo, PT

>Accelerated Physical Therapy and Occuptional Health, Inc.

>Bay St. Louis, Mississippi

>

>

>

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