Re: I can't think of a subject

[Guest guest]

Jacky, don't be discouraged...diabetes is a very individual disease,

sometimes it takes a little experimenting to find what works for you. Have

you been testing before and two hours after meals? Have you been weighing

out your food portions? (Remember, portion size is a factor too!) Have you

been writing everything down? Have you been exercising, and if so, when and

for how long? Are you taking any meds? There are lots of variables.

<<

Well it has been 10 days and I am getting discouraged. I am down to

about 45 carbs a day (those carbs from veg, fruit and dairy) and my

readings are still high (10-12 with a few lows). What am I doing

wrong? Why are they so inconsistent? I am way below 1200 cal. per

day, I feel terrible. I am going to try even fewer carbs tomorrow.

How long will it take? Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?

I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to have

it next week.

Jacky, the discouraged.

>>

[Guest guest]

Jacky, don't be discouraged...diabetes is a very individual disease,

sometimes it takes a little experimenting to find what works for you. Have

you been testing before and two hours after meals? Have you been weighing

out your food portions? (Remember, portion size is a factor too!) Have you

been writing everything down? Have you been exercising, and if so, when and

for how long? Are you taking any meds? There are lots of variables.

<<

Well it has been 10 days and I am getting discouraged. I am down to

about 45 carbs a day (those carbs from veg, fruit and dairy) and my

readings are still high (10-12 with a few lows). What am I doing

wrong? Why are they so inconsistent? I am way below 1200 cal. per

day, I feel terrible. I am going to try even fewer carbs tomorrow.

How long will it take? Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?

I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to have

it next week.

Jacky, the discouraged.

>>

[Guest guest]

Jacky, don't be discouraged...diabetes is a very individual disease,

sometimes it takes a little experimenting to find what works for you. Have

you been testing before and two hours after meals? Have you been weighing

out your food portions? (Remember, portion size is a factor too!) Have you

been writing everything down? Have you been exercising, and if so, when and

for how long? Are you taking any meds? There are lots of variables.

<<

Well it has been 10 days and I am getting discouraged. I am down to

about 45 carbs a day (those carbs from veg, fruit and dairy) and my

readings are still high (10-12 with a few lows). What am I doing

wrong? Why are they so inconsistent? I am way below 1200 cal. per

day, I feel terrible. I am going to try even fewer carbs tomorrow.

How long will it take? Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?

I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to have

it next week.

Jacky, the discouraged.

>>

[Guest guest]

<<

I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to have

it next week.

>>

Have you checked out Dr. Bernstein's website? URL is a link with our

website, URL at the bottom of this post. Vicki

[Guest guest]

<<

I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to have

it next week.

>>

Have you checked out Dr. Bernstein's website? URL is a link with our

website, URL at the bottom of this post. Vicki

[Guest guest]

<<

I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to have

it next week.

>>

Have you checked out Dr. Bernstein's website? URL is a link with our

website, URL at the bottom of this post. Vicki

[Guest guest]

<<

I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to have

it next week.

>>

....and did you order Gretchen Becker's book too? The name is " Type 2

Diabetes, The First year: An Essential Guideline for the Newly Diagnosed " .

[Guest guest]

<<

Can you tell I am a control freak? I need to control this and it is

driving me nuts.

Jacky

>>

Jacky, control freaks usually do very well as diabetics! All you need to do

is find what works for you -- this may take a while -- ...and as a control

freak, once you find what works you'll use it wisely.

I too am a " control freak " . When I was newly diagnosed, my adul daughter

told me - only part joking - that I had the " perfect disease for my

personality type - compulsive " . And she was right! Getting control of the

diabetes turned into one big game -- my " body " (doing is own diabetic thing)

vesus my " mind " .(choosing the right foods and gaining control). And when I

do it right and have good numbers, I get a real rush - I won1 Vicki

[Guest guest]

<<

Can you tell I am a control freak? I need to control this and it is

driving me nuts.

Jacky

>>

Jacky, control freaks usually do very well as diabetics! All you need to do

is find what works for you -- this may take a while -- ...and as a control

freak, once you find what works you'll use it wisely.

I too am a " control freak " . When I was newly diagnosed, my adul daughter

told me - only part joking - that I had the " perfect disease for my

personality type - compulsive " . And she was right! Getting control of the

diabetes turned into one big game -- my " body " (doing is own diabetic thing)

vesus my " mind " .(choosing the right foods and gaining control). And when I

do it right and have good numbers, I get a real rush - I won1 Vicki

[Guest guest]

<<

Can you tell I am a control freak? I need to control this and it is

driving me nuts.

Jacky

>>

Jacky, control freaks usually do very well as diabetics! All you need to do

is find what works for you -- this may take a while -- ...and as a control

freak, once you find what works you'll use it wisely.

I too am a " control freak " . When I was newly diagnosed, my adul daughter

told me - only part joking - that I had the " perfect disease for my

personality type - compulsive " . And she was right! Getting control of the

diabetes turned into one big game -- my " body " (doing is own diabetic thing)

vesus my " mind " .(choosing the right foods and gaining control). And when I

do it right and have good numbers, I get a real rush - I won1 Vicki

[Guest guest]

Hello ferma001@...,

In reference to your comment:

è If this is true, your body is not getting enough vitamins,

è minerals and trace nutrients - those three occur only

è in carbohydrate foods. 

many many of us get all we need without eating many carb's,

there are a lot of us who are eating about 50 grams of carb a day.

you can eat a lot of veggies in a few carbs, and a lot of veggies have a good

amount of nutrition in them.

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Date: 11/27/01 12:35:52 AM Eastern Standard Time

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Hang in there, your BGs will come down in time. Ten days is too short to

expect really detectable results. I take it you mean 45 gram carbohydrate

- if so, that is only 180 cal; meaning 1020 cal is coming from proteins &

fats. If this is true, your body is not getting enough vitamins,

minerals and trace nutrients - those three occur only in carbohydrate

foods. If you can manage to lay your hands on " Loving Your Body " by Ken

Keyes or " Guidebook to Nutritional Factors in Foods " by

[both out of print but your library might have them or maybe your blessed

with having large used book places] you will be able to see tables of

foodstuffs that are rich in the esential nutrients. I would encourage

you to optimize your carb intake to the nutrient-richest foods. I am not

a doctor so I can't recommend intake levels but I can encourage you to

avail yourself of whatever diabetic educational options you have - just

make sure the instructor is certified and up to date as much new stuff

has come out over the past several years.

>Good Day all,

>

>Well it has been 10 days and I am getting discouraged. I am down to

>about 45 carbs a day (those carbs from veg, fruit and dairy) and my

>readings are still high (10-12 with a few lows). What am I doing

>wrong? Why are they so inconsistent? I am way below 1200 cal. per

>day, I feel terrible. I am going to try even fewer carbs tomorrow.

>How long will it take? Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?

>

>I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to have

>it next week.

>

>Jacky, the discouraged.

Jack Ferman, Type 2

Diagnosed 11/99

Minneapolis, Minnesota

ferma001@...

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[Guest guest]

Hello ferma001@...,

In reference to your comment:

è If this is true, your body is not getting enough vitamins,

è minerals and trace nutrients - those three occur only

è in carbohydrate foods. 

many many of us get all we need without eating many carb's,

there are a lot of us who are eating about 50 grams of carb a day.

you can eat a lot of veggies in a few carbs, and a lot of veggies have a good

amount of nutrition in them.

========Original Message========

Subj: Re: I can't think of a subject

Date: 11/27/01 12:35:52 AM Eastern Standard Time

From: <A HREF= " mailto:ferma001@... " >ferma001@...</A>

Reply-to: <A

HREF= " mailto:diabetes_int " >diabetes_int </A>

To: <A

HREF= " mailto:diabetes_int " >diabetes_int </A>

Sent from the Internet (Details)

Hang in there, your BGs will come down in time. Ten days is too short to

expect really detectable results. I take it you mean 45 gram carbohydrate

- if so, that is only 180 cal; meaning 1020 cal is coming from proteins &

fats. If this is true, your body is not getting enough vitamins,

minerals and trace nutrients - those three occur only in carbohydrate

foods. If you can manage to lay your hands on " Loving Your Body " by Ken

Keyes or " Guidebook to Nutritional Factors in Foods " by

[both out of print but your library might have them or maybe your blessed

with having large used book places] you will be able to see tables of

foodstuffs that are rich in the esential nutrients. I would encourage

you to optimize your carb intake to the nutrient-richest foods. I am not

a doctor so I can't recommend intake levels but I can encourage you to

avail yourself of whatever diabetic educational options you have - just

make sure the instructor is certified and up to date as much new stuff

has come out over the past several years.

>Good Day all,

>

>Well it has been 10 days and I am getting discouraged. I am down to

>about 45 carbs a day (those carbs from veg, fruit and dairy) and my

>readings are still high (10-12 with a few lows). What am I doing

>wrong? Why are they so inconsistent? I am way below 1200 cal. per

>day, I feel terrible. I am going to try even fewer carbs tomorrow.

>How long will it take? Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?

>

>I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to have

>it next week.

>

>Jacky, the discouraged.

Jack Ferman, Type 2

Diagnosed 11/99

Minneapolis, Minnesota

ferma001@...

**All email sent through this mail list is Copyrighted by the original

author. Permission must be obtained from the original author for the re-use

of any text (in whole or in part).

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[Guest guest]

If it were me, I would cut out the fruits, and make sure the dairy is whole

milk based. I find that I can eat whole milk yogurt, but not low fat or fat

free. When I think I have to have fruit, I make sure it's berries

(blueberries right now, but strawberries, raspberries, or blackberries are

also yummy).

In addition, for at least a few days, stop counting calories (if you can).

I know I get way more than 1200 calories a day, and I've only recently

stopped losing weight (for lack of exercise).

Don't be discouraged. 10 days is still the beginning of the experiment.

Robin G.

>From: willabee@...

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: I can't think of a subject

>Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:27:40 -0000

>

>Good Day all,

>

>Well it has been 10 days and I am getting discouraged. I am down to

>about 45 carbs a day (those carbs from veg, fruit and dairy) and my

>readings are still high (10-12 with a few lows). What am I doing

>wrong? Why are they so inconsistent? I am way below 1200 cal. per

>day, I feel terrible. I am going to try even fewer carbs tomorrow.

>How long will it take? Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?

>

>I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to have

>it next week.

>

>Jacky, the discouraged.

>

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[Guest guest]

If it were me, I would cut out the fruits, and make sure the dairy is whole

milk based. I find that I can eat whole milk yogurt, but not low fat or fat

free. When I think I have to have fruit, I make sure it's berries

(blueberries right now, but strawberries, raspberries, or blackberries are

also yummy).

In addition, for at least a few days, stop counting calories (if you can).

I know I get way more than 1200 calories a day, and I've only recently

stopped losing weight (for lack of exercise).

Don't be discouraged. 10 days is still the beginning of the experiment.

Robin G.

>From: willabee@...

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: I can't think of a subject

>Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:27:40 -0000

>

>Good Day all,

>

>Well it has been 10 days and I am getting discouraged. I am down to

>about 45 carbs a day (those carbs from veg, fruit and dairy) and my

>readings are still high (10-12 with a few lows). What am I doing

>wrong? Why are they so inconsistent? I am way below 1200 cal. per

>day, I feel terrible. I am going to try even fewer carbs tomorrow.

>How long will it take? Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?

>

>I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to have

>it next week.

>

>Jacky, the discouraged.

>

_________________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

If it were me, I would cut out the fruits, and make sure the dairy is whole

milk based. I find that I can eat whole milk yogurt, but not low fat or fat

free. When I think I have to have fruit, I make sure it's berries

(blueberries right now, but strawberries, raspberries, or blackberries are

also yummy).

In addition, for at least a few days, stop counting calories (if you can).

I know I get way more than 1200 calories a day, and I've only recently

stopped losing weight (for lack of exercise).

Don't be discouraged. 10 days is still the beginning of the experiment.

Robin G.

>From: willabee@...

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: I can't think of a subject

>Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:27:40 -0000

>

>Good Day all,

>

>Well it has been 10 days and I am getting discouraged. I am down to

>about 45 carbs a day (those carbs from veg, fruit and dairy) and my

>readings are still high (10-12 with a few lows). What am I doing

>wrong? Why are they so inconsistent? I am way below 1200 cal. per

>day, I feel terrible. I am going to try even fewer carbs tomorrow.

>How long will it take? Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?

>

>I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to have

>it next week.

>

>Jacky, the discouraged.

>

_________________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for your reply Robin,

I looked at my book after I read your reply and I realized my readings

rise with fruit, especially bananas...but not oranges. I will pass on

fruit tomorrow and see how it goes. Berries are hard to come by here

(Canada) in the winter.

I eat yogurt every other day and have been using the fat free. Once the

fat free is done I will try some regular....I am a big milk drinker and

I really miss it, but I need the yogurt.

Can you tell I am a control freak? I need to control this and it is

driving me nuts.

Jacky

Thank you for the advice.

RC Glaze wrote:

> If it were me, I would cut out the fruits, and make sure the dairy is

> whole

> milk based. I find that I can eat whole milk yogurt, but not low fat

> or fat

> free. When I think I have to have fruit, I make sure it's berries

> (blueberries right now, but strawberries, raspberries, or blackberries

> are

> also yummy).

>

> In addition, for at least a few days, stop counting calories (if you

> can).

> I know I get way more than 1200 calories a day, and I've only recently

>

> stopped losing weight (for lack of exercise).

>

> Don't be discouraged. 10 days is still the beginning of the

> experiment.

>

> Robin G.

>

>

> >From: willabee@...

> >Reply-To: diabetes_int

> >To: diabetes_int

> >Subject: I can't think of a subject

> >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:27:40 -0000

> >

> >Good Day all,

> >

> >Well it has been 10 days and I am getting discouraged. I am down to

> >about 45 carbs a day (those carbs from veg, fruit and dairy) and my

> >readings are still high (10-12 with a few lows). What am I doing

> >wrong? Why are they so inconsistent? I am way below 1200 cal. per

> >day, I feel terrible. I am going to try even fewer carbs tomorrow.

> >How long will it take? Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?

> >

> >I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to

> have

> >it next week.

> >

> >Jacky, the discouraged.

> >

>

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at

> http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your reply Robin,

I looked at my book after I read your reply and I realized my readings

rise with fruit, especially bananas...but not oranges. I will pass on

fruit tomorrow and see how it goes. Berries are hard to come by here

(Canada) in the winter.

I eat yogurt every other day and have been using the fat free. Once the

fat free is done I will try some regular....I am a big milk drinker and

I really miss it, but I need the yogurt.

Can you tell I am a control freak? I need to control this and it is

driving me nuts.

Jacky

Thank you for the advice.

RC Glaze wrote:

> If it were me, I would cut out the fruits, and make sure the dairy is

> whole

> milk based. I find that I can eat whole milk yogurt, but not low fat

> or fat

> free. When I think I have to have fruit, I make sure it's berries

> (blueberries right now, but strawberries, raspberries, or blackberries

> are

> also yummy).

>

> In addition, for at least a few days, stop counting calories (if you

> can).

> I know I get way more than 1200 calories a day, and I've only recently

>

> stopped losing weight (for lack of exercise).

>

> Don't be discouraged. 10 days is still the beginning of the

> experiment.

>

> Robin G.

>

>

> >From: willabee@...

> >Reply-To: diabetes_int

> >To: diabetes_int

> >Subject: I can't think of a subject

> >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:27:40 -0000

> >

> >Good Day all,

> >

> >Well it has been 10 days and I am getting discouraged. I am down to

> >about 45 carbs a day (those carbs from veg, fruit and dairy) and my

> >readings are still high (10-12 with a few lows). What am I doing

> >wrong? Why are they so inconsistent? I am way below 1200 cal. per

> >day, I feel terrible. I am going to try even fewer carbs tomorrow.

> >How long will it take? Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?

> >

> >I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to

> have

> >it next week.

> >

> >Jacky, the discouraged.

> >

>

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at

> http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your reply Robin,

I looked at my book after I read your reply and I realized my readings

rise with fruit, especially bananas...but not oranges. I will pass on

fruit tomorrow and see how it goes. Berries are hard to come by here

(Canada) in the winter.

I eat yogurt every other day and have been using the fat free. Once the

fat free is done I will try some regular....I am a big milk drinker and

I really miss it, but I need the yogurt.

Can you tell I am a control freak? I need to control this and it is

driving me nuts.

Jacky

Thank you for the advice.

RC Glaze wrote:

> If it were me, I would cut out the fruits, and make sure the dairy is

> whole

> milk based. I find that I can eat whole milk yogurt, but not low fat

> or fat

> free. When I think I have to have fruit, I make sure it's berries

> (blueberries right now, but strawberries, raspberries, or blackberries

> are

> also yummy).

>

> In addition, for at least a few days, stop counting calories (if you

> can).

> I know I get way more than 1200 calories a day, and I've only recently

>

> stopped losing weight (for lack of exercise).

>

> Don't be discouraged. 10 days is still the beginning of the

> experiment.

>

> Robin G.

>

>

> >From: willabee@...

> >Reply-To: diabetes_int

> >To: diabetes_int

> >Subject: I can't think of a subject

> >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:27:40 -0000

> >

> >Good Day all,

> >

> >Well it has been 10 days and I am getting discouraged. I am down to

> >about 45 carbs a day (those carbs from veg, fruit and dairy) and my

> >readings are still high (10-12 with a few lows). What am I doing

> >wrong? Why are they so inconsistent? I am way below 1200 cal. per

> >day, I feel terrible. I am going to try even fewer carbs tomorrow.

> >How long will it take? Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?

> >

> >I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to

> have

> >it next week.

> >

> >Jacky, the discouraged.

> >

>

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at

> http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I hear that being a control freak runs with this disease. Don't worry too

much about that.

Everyone reacts differently to foods. Good for you being able to look at

your log and tell what foods spiked you.

Let us know how it goes tomorrow.

Robin G.

>

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: Re: I can't think of a subject

>Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:58:22 -0500

>

>Thank you for your reply Robin,

>

>I looked at my book after I read your reply and I realized my readings

>rise with fruit, especially bananas...but not oranges. I will pass on

>fruit tomorrow and see how it goes. Berries are hard to come by here

>(Canada) in the winter.

>

>I eat yogurt every other day and have been using the fat free. Once the

>fat free is done I will try some regular....I am a big milk drinker and

>I really miss it, but I need the yogurt.

>

>Can you tell I am a control freak? I need to control this and it is

>driving me nuts.

>Jacky

>

>Thank you for the advice.

>

>RC Glaze wrote:

>

> > If it were me, I would cut out the fruits, and make sure the dairy is

> > whole

> > milk based. I find that I can eat whole milk yogurt, but not low fat

> > or fat

> > free. When I think I have to have fruit, I make sure it's berries

> > (blueberries right now, but strawberries, raspberries, or blackberries

> > are

> > also yummy).

> >

> > In addition, for at least a few days, stop counting calories (if you

> > can).

> > I know I get way more than 1200 calories a day, and I've only recently

> >

> > stopped losing weight (for lack of exercise).

> >

> > Don't be discouraged. 10 days is still the beginning of the

> > experiment.

> >

> > Robin G.

> >

> >

> > >From: willabee@...

> > >Reply-To: diabetes_int

> > >To: diabetes_int

> > >Subject: I can't think of a subject

> > >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:27:40 -0000

> > >

> > >Good Day all,

> > >

> > >Well it has been 10 days and I am getting discouraged. I am down to

> > >about 45 carbs a day (those carbs from veg, fruit and dairy) and my

> > >readings are still high (10-12 with a few lows). What am I doing

> > >wrong? Why are they so inconsistent? I am way below 1200 cal. per

> > >day, I feel terrible. I am going to try even fewer carbs tomorrow.

> > >How long will it take? Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?

> > >

> > >I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to

> > have

> > >it next week.

> > >

> > >Jacky, the discouraged.

> > >

> >

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at

> > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I hear that being a control freak runs with this disease. Don't worry too

much about that.

Everyone reacts differently to foods. Good for you being able to look at

your log and tell what foods spiked you.

Let us know how it goes tomorrow.

Robin G.

>

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: Re: I can't think of a subject

>Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:58:22 -0500

>

>Thank you for your reply Robin,

>

>I looked at my book after I read your reply and I realized my readings

>rise with fruit, especially bananas...but not oranges. I will pass on

>fruit tomorrow and see how it goes. Berries are hard to come by here

>(Canada) in the winter.

>

>I eat yogurt every other day and have been using the fat free. Once the

>fat free is done I will try some regular....I am a big milk drinker and

>I really miss it, but I need the yogurt.

>

>Can you tell I am a control freak? I need to control this and it is

>driving me nuts.

>Jacky

>

>Thank you for the advice.

>

>RC Glaze wrote:

>

> > If it were me, I would cut out the fruits, and make sure the dairy is

> > whole

> > milk based. I find that I can eat whole milk yogurt, but not low fat

> > or fat

> > free. When I think I have to have fruit, I make sure it's berries

> > (blueberries right now, but strawberries, raspberries, or blackberries

> > are

> > also yummy).

> >

> > In addition, for at least a few days, stop counting calories (if you

> > can).

> > I know I get way more than 1200 calories a day, and I've only recently

> >

> > stopped losing weight (for lack of exercise).

> >

> > Don't be discouraged. 10 days is still the beginning of the

> > experiment.

> >

> > Robin G.

> >

> >

> > >From: willabee@...

> > >Reply-To: diabetes_int

> > >To: diabetes_int

> > >Subject: I can't think of a subject

> > >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:27:40 -0000

> > >

> > >Good Day all,

> > >

> > >Well it has been 10 days and I am getting discouraged. I am down to

> > >about 45 carbs a day (those carbs from veg, fruit and dairy) and my

> > >readings are still high (10-12 with a few lows). What am I doing

> > >wrong? Why are they so inconsistent? I am way below 1200 cal. per

> > >day, I feel terrible. I am going to try even fewer carbs tomorrow.

> > >How long will it take? Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?

> > >

> > >I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to

> > have

> > >it next week.

> > >

> > >Jacky, the discouraged.

> > >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I hear that being a control freak runs with this disease. Don't worry too

much about that.

Everyone reacts differently to foods. Good for you being able to look at

your log and tell what foods spiked you.

Let us know how it goes tomorrow.

Robin G.

>

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: Re: I can't think of a subject

>Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:58:22 -0500

>

>Thank you for your reply Robin,

>

>I looked at my book after I read your reply and I realized my readings

>rise with fruit, especially bananas...but not oranges. I will pass on

>fruit tomorrow and see how it goes. Berries are hard to come by here

>(Canada) in the winter.

>

>I eat yogurt every other day and have been using the fat free. Once the

>fat free is done I will try some regular....I am a big milk drinker and

>I really miss it, but I need the yogurt.

>

>Can you tell I am a control freak? I need to control this and it is

>driving me nuts.

>Jacky

>

>Thank you for the advice.

>

>RC Glaze wrote:

>

> > If it were me, I would cut out the fruits, and make sure the dairy is

> > whole

> > milk based. I find that I can eat whole milk yogurt, but not low fat

> > or fat

> > free. When I think I have to have fruit, I make sure it's berries

> > (blueberries right now, but strawberries, raspberries, or blackberries

> > are

> > also yummy).

> >

> > In addition, for at least a few days, stop counting calories (if you

> > can).

> > I know I get way more than 1200 calories a day, and I've only recently

> >

> > stopped losing weight (for lack of exercise).

> >

> > Don't be discouraged. 10 days is still the beginning of the

> > experiment.

> >

> > Robin G.

> >

> >

> > >From: willabee@...

> > >Reply-To: diabetes_int

> > >To: diabetes_int

> > >Subject: I can't think of a subject

> > >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:27:40 -0000

> > >

> > >Good Day all,

> > >

> > >Well it has been 10 days and I am getting discouraged. I am down to

> > >about 45 carbs a day (those carbs from veg, fruit and dairy) and my

> > >readings are still high (10-12 with a few lows). What am I doing

> > >wrong? Why are they so inconsistent? I am way below 1200 cal. per

> > >day, I feel terrible. I am going to try even fewer carbs tomorrow.

> > >How long will it take? Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?

> > >

> > >I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to

> > have

> > >it next week.

> > >

> > >Jacky, the discouraged.

> > >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

>If it were me, I would cut out the fruits, and make sure the dairy is whole

>milk based. I find that I can eat whole milk yogurt, but not low fat or fat

>free. When I think I have to have fruit, I make sure it's berries

>(blueberries right now, but strawberries, raspberries, or blackberries are

>also yummy).

According to ' Guidebook; strawberries are 8.6%, raspberries

13.9% and blackberries 12.7% by weight carbohydrate. So a unit carb (15

gram) would be 200 gram strawberries or 100 gram of the other two.

doesn't list blueberries but I would imagine they would run well

under 20% carbohydrate.

>

>In addition, for at least a few days, stop counting calories (if you can).

>I know I get way more than 1200 calories a day, and I've only recently

>stopped losing weight (for lack of exercise).

>

>Don't be discouraged. 10 days is still the beginning of the experiment.

>

>Robin G.

>

>

>>From: willabee@...

>>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>>To: diabetes_int

>>Subject: I can't think of a subject

>>Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:27:40 -0000

>>

>>Good Day all,

>>

>>Well it has been 10 days and I am getting discouraged. I am down to

>>about 45 carbs a day (those carbs from veg, fruit and dairy) and my

>>readings are still high (10-12 with a few lows). What am I doing

>>wrong? Why are they so inconsistent? I am way below 1200 cal. per

>>day, I feel terrible. I am going to try even fewer carbs tomorrow.

>>How long will it take? Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?

>>

>>I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to have

>>it next week.

>>

>>Jacky, the discouraged.

>>

>

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>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>If it were me, I would cut out the fruits, and make sure the dairy is whole

>milk based. I find that I can eat whole milk yogurt, but not low fat or fat

>free. When I think I have to have fruit, I make sure it's berries

>(blueberries right now, but strawberries, raspberries, or blackberries are

>also yummy).

According to ' Guidebook; strawberries are 8.6%, raspberries

13.9% and blackberries 12.7% by weight carbohydrate. So a unit carb (15

gram) would be 200 gram strawberries or 100 gram of the other two.

doesn't list blueberries but I would imagine they would run well

under 20% carbohydrate.

>

>In addition, for at least a few days, stop counting calories (if you can).

>I know I get way more than 1200 calories a day, and I've only recently

>stopped losing weight (for lack of exercise).

>

>Don't be discouraged. 10 days is still the beginning of the experiment.

>

>Robin G.

>

>

>>From: willabee@...

>>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>>To: diabetes_int

>>Subject: I can't think of a subject

>>Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:27:40 -0000

>>

>>Good Day all,

>>

>>Well it has been 10 days and I am getting discouraged. I am down to

>>about 45 carbs a day (those carbs from veg, fruit and dairy) and my

>>readings are still high (10-12 with a few lows). What am I doing

>>wrong? Why are they so inconsistent? I am way below 1200 cal. per

>>day, I feel terrible. I am going to try even fewer carbs tomorrow.

>>How long will it take? Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?

>>

>>I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to have

>>it next week.

>>

>>Jacky, the discouraged.

>>

>

>

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>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>If it were me, I would cut out the fruits, and make sure the dairy is whole

>milk based. I find that I can eat whole milk yogurt, but not low fat or fat

>free. When I think I have to have fruit, I make sure it's berries

>(blueberries right now, but strawberries, raspberries, or blackberries are

>also yummy).

According to ' Guidebook; strawberries are 8.6%, raspberries

13.9% and blackberries 12.7% by weight carbohydrate. So a unit carb (15

gram) would be 200 gram strawberries or 100 gram of the other two.

doesn't list blueberries but I would imagine they would run well

under 20% carbohydrate.

>

>In addition, for at least a few days, stop counting calories (if you can).

>I know I get way more than 1200 calories a day, and I've only recently

>stopped losing weight (for lack of exercise).

>

>Don't be discouraged. 10 days is still the beginning of the experiment.

>

>Robin G.

>

>

>>From: willabee@...

>>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>>To: diabetes_int

>>Subject: I can't think of a subject

>>Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:27:40 -0000

>>

>>Good Day all,

>>

>>Well it has been 10 days and I am getting discouraged. I am down to

>>about 45 carbs a day (those carbs from veg, fruit and dairy) and my

>>readings are still high (10-12 with a few lows). What am I doing

>>wrong? Why are they so inconsistent? I am way below 1200 cal. per

>>day, I feel terrible. I am going to try even fewer carbs tomorrow.

>>How long will it take? Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?

>>

>>I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to have

>>it next week.

>>

>>Jacky, the discouraged.

>>

>

>

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>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hang in there, your BGs will come down in time. Ten days is too short to

expect really detectable results. I take it you mean 45 gram carbohydrate

- if so, that is only 180 cal; meaning 1020 cal is coming from proteins &

fats. If this is true, your body is not getting enough vitamins,

minerals and trace nutrients - those three occur only in carbohydrate

foods. If you can manage to lay your hands on " Loving Your Body " by Ken

Keyes or " Guidebook to Nutritional Factors in Foods " by

[both out of print but your library might have them or maybe your blessed

with having large used book places] you will be able to see tables of

foodstuffs that are rich in the esential nutrients. I would encourage

you to optimize your carb intake to the nutrient-richest foods. I am not

a doctor so I can't recommend intake levels but I can encourage you to

avail yourself of whatever diabetic educational options you have - just

make sure the instructor is certified and up to date as much new stuff

has come out over the past several years.

>Good Day all,

>

>Well it has been 10 days and I am getting discouraged. I am down to

>about 45 carbs a day (those carbs from veg, fruit and dairy) and my

>readings are still high (10-12 with a few lows). What am I doing

>wrong? Why are they so inconsistent? I am way below 1200 cal. per

>day, I feel terrible. I am going to try even fewer carbs tomorrow.

>How long will it take? Is this normal? What am I doing wrong?

>

>I have ordered the book everyone is telling me to get. I hope to have

>it next week.

>

>Jacky, the discouraged.

Jack Ferman, Type 2

Diagnosed 11/99

Minneapolis, Minnesota

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