Re: Denial (WAS: , SAD seasonal affective disorder)

[Guest guest]

--- , I was in denial that I even had diabetes even though I

knew I did. I would not check my numbers thus by not doing so it

didn't exist. Yet I certainly knew it from the doctors reports and

by the way I felt. So, yes I believe one can be in denial and still

know what is truth. Not sure this makes sense to anyone but me!!!

Positive thinking to me is looking at the bright side of everything

but also doing all the right stuff to make a bright side! If anyone

understands what I am saying you win!! Don't know how else to

explain it!

madge

In diabetes_int@y..., " j459g " <j459g@y...> wrote:

>

>

> > > I refused to accept this subconsciously

> > > and hoped it would go away.

> >

> > Isn't that what is sometimes called positive thinking?

> >

>

> > No, I think that's called Denial. Vicki

>

> Oh! I thought denial was refusing to accept something consciously.

I

> don't see how anybody could hope something would go away and at the

> same time deny that it was even there.

>

> That's too subtle for me, I am no philosopher!

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Are you talking about me again??? ) (j/k)

No, Rick, I was thinking about me. I once reached the stage at

which I needed two baskets which I tied together with a plastic

bag and towed behind me through the supermarket like a tugboat.

I also noticed that overweight people don't walk the way normal-

weight people walk - they can't! - and I even wasted some time trying

to practise walking like I was thin while I was still fat. That was

an affected waddle even!

Vanity of vanities, all is vanity!

[Guest guest]

---I am not so sure that a person who is overweight is in denial.

They are aware of the problem but I think become so depressed or

filled with such low self esteem that food seems to be the only

comfort. This can be said for alchohol abuse or any other over

indulgence with anything. It is a vicious circle. Until they can

take the bull by the horns and confront the problem round and round

it goes. Sometimes outside intervention through counseling is needed

if they are unable to do it on their own. they know they are on a

road to nowhere but lack the means to change roads. A lot of factors

come into play of why one is overweight. Over indulgence is not just

caused by the love of eating. Sometimes it goes back to childhood

and then this needs to be addressed by a professional most of the

time. Food when used as a comfort zone becomes a problem. Food is

meant to sustain life not the opposite. As diabetics we had to learn

to make the right choices but it is easy to fall back on old habits

if not viligent especially when life gets rocky. The comfort zone is

sought once again to make everything right. The ability to make

intelligent decisions seems to fall by the wayside at such times.

Madge

In diabetes_int@y..., Rick <rick@m...> wrote:

>

>

> wrote:

>

> > But the biggest group of " deny " -ers I know are the heavy-weights,

who

> > must know what their overweight is going to do to them later (and

is

> > doing to them right now) but can still waddle through a

supermarket

> > loading up their basket with all that fattening stuff! Now that is

> > denial with a big D!

>

> Hey ,

>

> Are you talking about me again??? ) (j/k)

>

> Rick

[Guest guest]

---I am not so sure that a person who is overweight is in denial.

They are aware of the problem but I think become so depressed or

filled with such low self esteem that food seems to be the only

comfort. This can be said for alchohol abuse or any other over

indulgence with anything. It is a vicious circle. Until they can

take the bull by the horns and confront the problem round and round

it goes. Sometimes outside intervention through counseling is needed

if they are unable to do it on their own. they know they are on a

road to nowhere but lack the means to change roads. A lot of factors

come into play of why one is overweight. Over indulgence is not just

caused by the love of eating. Sometimes it goes back to childhood

and then this needs to be addressed by a professional most of the

time. Food when used as a comfort zone becomes a problem. Food is

meant to sustain life not the opposite. As diabetics we had to learn

to make the right choices but it is easy to fall back on old habits

if not viligent especially when life gets rocky. The comfort zone is

sought once again to make everything right. The ability to make

intelligent decisions seems to fall by the wayside at such times.

Madge

In diabetes_int@y..., Rick <rick@m...> wrote:

>

>

> wrote:

>

> > But the biggest group of " deny " -ers I know are the heavy-weights,

who

> > must know what their overweight is going to do to them later (and

is

> > doing to them right now) but can still waddle through a

supermarket

> > loading up their basket with all that fattening stuff! Now that is

> > denial with a big D!

>

> Hey ,

>

> Are you talking about me again??? ) (j/k)

>

> Rick

[Guest guest]

---I am not so sure that a person who is overweight is in denial.

They are aware of the problem but I think become so depressed or

filled with such low self esteem that food seems to be the only

comfort. This can be said for alchohol abuse or any other over

indulgence with anything. It is a vicious circle. Until they can

take the bull by the horns and confront the problem round and round

it goes. Sometimes outside intervention through counseling is needed

if they are unable to do it on their own. they know they are on a

road to nowhere but lack the means to change roads. A lot of factors

come into play of why one is overweight. Over indulgence is not just

caused by the love of eating. Sometimes it goes back to childhood

and then this needs to be addressed by a professional most of the

time. Food when used as a comfort zone becomes a problem. Food is

meant to sustain life not the opposite. As diabetics we had to learn

to make the right choices but it is easy to fall back on old habits

if not viligent especially when life gets rocky. The comfort zone is

sought once again to make everything right. The ability to make

intelligent decisions seems to fall by the wayside at such times.

Madge

In diabetes_int@y..., Rick <rick@m...> wrote:

>

>

> wrote:

>

> > But the biggest group of " deny " -ers I know are the heavy-weights,

who

> > must know what their overweight is going to do to them later (and

is

> > doing to them right now) but can still waddle through a

supermarket

> > loading up their basket with all that fattening stuff! Now that is

> > denial with a big D!

>

> Hey ,

>

> Are you talking about me again??? ) (j/k)

>

> Rick

[Guest guest]

> I am not so sure that a person who

> is overweight is in denial. They are

> aware of the problem but I think become

> so depressed or filled with such low

> self esteem that food seems to be the only

> comfort.

Maybe sometimes, Madge, but I have met many overweight people who are

anything but depressed or full of low esteem. They were totally

convinced that, in their case (there were still no signs of any

effect on their health) it didn't matter what they weighed, they had

simply inherited that size figure and the weight they were was the

weight they were meant to be. Isn't that " denial " ?

A neighbor of ours was an enormous size, and even though she was a

good 6' tall, she was way, way, overweight. That lead to all kinds of

complications in her life which she complained about continuously but

refused to listen to anybody who said she would be better off

lighter. One day when we were visiting, we saw a large tin of sweet

chocolate biscuits under her bed, real calorie bombs. She insisted

that they did't count - only the calories that get eaten at regular

meal times make you fat, she claimed. Surely also a case of " denial " ?

In my case, I used to work in radio stations in different parts of

the world, many were on high hills or even mountains and some could

only be reached on foot and then there were antenna towers to climb.

So I could always eat hearty meals without putting on any weight.

Then I got a desk job but carried on eating as before and my weight

slowly climbed, so slowly I didn't notice it happening. On top of

that, my wife's hobby was cooking and I was the main test person.

Nobody ever told me that I needed to lose weight, not even when I was

diagnosed with diabetes. Then when I changed doctors, the first time

the new one saw me, he told it to me like it was and I went straight

home and started to lose weight right away. But that was more

ignorance than denial!

I have heard and read hundreds of reasons why people are overweight

but none so far have claimed that it was because they used food as a

comfort zone.

[Guest guest]

<< Two can't be down at once. Someone has to be up and

running or we'll be in a boat with no paddles. One paddle is hard

enough to row with.

Madge >>

So how's your foot, Madge? Are you up and about? Does it look better? Vicki

[Guest guest]

---Weight problems existed in my family tree as well but existed

because of the eating habits high in calories. Diabetes runs rampant

in my family and I know had I listened years ago to watch my weight

and eat right, I could have forestalled this disease more than likely

but back then I thought I was immortal! Never going to be old or

sick. Hind sight is always 20/20! So, now its a mad dash to do what

is right and try and hold off the complications as long as possible.

My husband has enough of the complications so I can't afford to have

them too. Two can't be down at once. Someone has to be up and

running or we'll be in a boat with no paddles. One paddle is hard

enough to row with.

Madge

In diabetes_int@y..., Phyllis Norwood <phyllis@t...> wrote:

> And in my case, I have never over-eaten. I know now that because of

> heriderity that my body cannot utilize carbs the way other people

do. If

> you saw what I ate in one day on or off Atkins, you would be

shocked!

>

> Also, if you are not sick and alot of overweight people are not

sick and

> do not become sick, I say eat all you want. It's up to you. I know a

> couple of people that weight over 300. They can out work me, out

run me,

> out swim me and they are not sick at all.

[Guest guest]

you are by far the most miserable ignorant person I have ever come

across. You must be related to Scrooge and I bet Santa didn't visit you.

Ruth

[Guest guest]

Sorry Rick but I only got the e-mail this morning 31/12/2001 so I was a bit

behind everyone else. I read s apology after I had written my reply and

he was gracious enough to do it off his own back and for that should be

commended. I hope is still with the group and I hope santa visited

anyway.

Ruth