Re: Re: Insulin resistance

[Guest guest]

I get tested every few years when they do the freebies... so far I've been getting 'good scores'.

I think they check as part of the Heath Check test that I'll be going in for this fall, too....

? That's your expertise, it's in there, right?

My thyroid issues are a genetic defect... bad TSH receptors.. so that may put me at lower risk for auto immune disorders.. but I consider, too that having mucked up thyroid levels for most, if not all, of my life.. that may in and of itself be a stress to the immune system and cause problems as a result....

I'm glad that you made the suggestion... to make sure that I don't overlook something... sometimes that is easy to do, it takes someone else to spot it for us....

Topper ()

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:02:33 -0000 "blithezb00tik" writes:

Actually, , I wonder if you wouldn't want to test your insulinlevels? Or perhaps take a glucose tolerance test? Probably testingyour insulin would be more cost-effective. Seeing how thyroid stufftends to be related to other endocrine stuff, it may be a good idea tohave a test done.blithe

[Guest guest]

So.. your opinion, please....

If a person may have a tendency to developing a level of insulin resistance.. might it be possible to delay or reduce the likelihood of developing it (to a noticeable degree) by watching how and what they eat and exercising according to their ability?

Just curious about your thoughts here...

Topper ()

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:00:18 -0000 "blithezb00tik" writes:

As far as I've understood it... Insulin resistance is a state in whichfor some reason (genetics? overweight? antibodies? ???), some cells inyour body are resistant to the insulin that you produce. You have haveenough insulin to process the carbs you eat, but some of your cellshave become resistant to the insulin. So you get elevated bloodglucose levels for longer periods of time after eating, whichstimulates your pancreas to pump out more insulin. Sometimes you pumpout much more insulin than you'd otherwise need, but your cellsrespond much more slowly than in a non-insulin resistant person. Sousually, more insulin won't necessarily help. However, people who aretype 2 diabetic for a long time sometimes require insulin in order tohelp their pancreas which has been overworked, having had tocompensate for so long.Making your cells more sensitive to insulin (as opposed to resistant)usually involves the following:- exercise, which helps a lot- proper diet: there are many different opinions on this, but oftenmini-meals are recommended. I eat 30 grams of carbs for my "main"meals (breakfast, lunch & dinner), and 12-15 grams of carbs for mysnacks. I eat every 2 or 3 hours. Lots of veggies, lots of fiber (bothsoluble & insoluble), and I always eat my carbs with fat or protein,never alone.- drugs: metformin has helped me. It's supposed to stop your liverfrom dumping sugar into your bloodstream, and increase yoursensitivity to insulin, while reducing overall insulin levels. One ofthe major downsides to insulin resistance is feeling hungry all thetime, and metformin has helped me to better control my eating habits.You can keep insulin resistance in check if you eat right and exerciseand use the proper drugs if you need them. But the underlying problemwill still be there. For example, if I were to have another horridglucose tolerance test (the test where you drink 75 grams of sugar andthey test your blood every hour for 3 hours) today, I'd still fail,just like I failed last year before my diagnosis. But on a dailybasis, I feel better than I did last year because I've changed myeating habits and started exercising regularly. That is, of course,aside from the hypothyroidism. Once I get that treated, I'll feel awhole lot better overall.blithe

[Guest guest]

The email I just sent out sort of had that in mind. I am very worried about

her blood sugar or maybe a state of something with the insulin. Things that

won't heal and places on the legs, etc.....that won't heal always remind me

of this. Cellulitis has these kinds of components. I wish that I could see

it with my own eyes, then I might be able to see something I've seen many

times over. I'm no doctor and not even a nurse, but as a CNA, I've seen so

many of these things with hands on care that I sometimes recognize many

different skin conditions. I'd rather think that I'm wrong.

Re: Insulin resistance

> Actually, , I wonder if you wouldn't want to test your insulin

> levels? Or perhaps take a glucose tolerance test? Probably testing

> your insulin would be more cost-effective. Seeing how thyroid stuff

> tends to be related to other endocrine stuff, it may be a good idea to

> have a test done.

>

> blithe

[Guest guest]

.. you just volunteered.. I'll send you a pic of my legs... on your word that you won't plaster them allllll over the internet.... I'm curious what this is....

It all started up when I was under a LOT of stress from several sources over just a few weeks.... Before that it was pitting edema.... but then the redness, the heat.. then one lump, that Ruth (retired ER nurse) thought was a blood clot, to bunches of those same 'masses', to the right leg getting it too.

I'll go into more detail, with the pic, if you're willing.

Topper () *who got a cheap digital camera yesterday for the cost of shipping - $3 !!*

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:03:25 -0500 " " writes:

The email I just sent out sort of had that in mind. I am very worried abouther blood sugar or maybe a state of something with the insulin. Things thatwon't heal and places on the legs, etc.....that won't heal always remind meof this. Cellulitis has these kinds of components. I wish that I could seeit with my own eyes, then I might be able to see something I've seen manytimes over. I'm no doctor and not even a nurse, but as a CNA, I've seen somany of these things with hands on care that I sometimes recognize manydifferent skin conditions. I'd rather think that I'm wrong.

[Guest guest]

, what is a glucose tolerance test?

I'll wait for your answer then I have two stories to tell you about sweet overdose.

Topper ()

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:09:11 -0500 " " writes:

The blood sugar is in there, Topper, but the glucose tolerance test is a whole different matter. I've asked two different doctors for one, and they flat told me no, noone knows why. I was told by one nurse in the doctor's office "It's dangerous, you might pass out!" Ya know, looking back, I'm thinking that this is the town where all the people who have phony licenses come to. Sorry, but a response like that is so obviously dumb, coming from a nurse. If I was going to pass out, I'm thinking, well, looks like I really needed this test, duuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

, what is a glucose tolerance test?

I'll wait for your answer then I have two stories to tell you about sweet overdose.

Topper ()

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:09:11 -0500 " " writes:

The blood sugar is in there, Topper, but the glucose tolerance test is a whole different matter. I've asked two different doctors for one, and they flat told me no, noone knows why. I was told by one nurse in the doctor's office "It's dangerous, you might pass out!" Ya know, looking back, I'm thinking that this is the town where all the people who have phony licenses come to. Sorry, but a response like that is so obviously dumb, coming from a nurse. If I was going to pass out, I'm thinking, well, looks like I really needed this test, duuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

, what is a glucose tolerance test?

I'll wait for your answer then I have two stories to tell you about sweet overdose.

Topper ()

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:09:11 -0500 " " writes:

The blood sugar is in there, Topper, but the glucose tolerance test is a whole different matter. I've asked two different doctors for one, and they flat told me no, noone knows why. I was told by one nurse in the doctor's office "It's dangerous, you might pass out!" Ya know, looking back, I'm thinking that this is the town where all the people who have phony licenses come to. Sorry, but a response like that is so obviously dumb, coming from a nurse. If I was going to pass out, I'm thinking, well, looks like I really needed this test, duuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

But is that not what insulin resistance is, resistance of the cells to allow

the insulin to make the blood sugar go into the cells, sort of like thyroid

hormone resistance, no matter how much insulin is floating out there? The

fate of both people would have to do with how often and how much insulin is

being wrung out of the pancreas to cover whatever blood sugar is out there.

It's the one with the sorry diet who will suffer. Then again, the other one

might suffer with even a good diet, if something else other than his diet

has caused the cell receptors to be resistant to the insulin. I believe

that the discovery of this " new " antibody that they just found is sort of

what this all might refer to. In relationship to any autoimmune disease,

this is part of the key that's going to unlock the mystery as to why a

person usually gets more than one autoimmune disease, and will help answer

why they may all be related. At this point, we don't know why the cells

become resistant to thyroid hormone, as in some cases, we don't really know

why one person on a good diet also gets insulin resistant cells. I am SO

excited about the discovery of this new antibody, that I keep coming back to

it. However, I'm not refuting a good exercise and diet program, or saying

that it doesn't do any good, so we might as well " eat, drink, and be merry " .

I'm a sugarholic, but not because I think I should be, rather, I'm addicted

to all the sweet tastes.

Re: Re: Insulin resistance

> Allow me to butt in:

>

> Yes, exercising and eating low-Glycemic foods will definitely delay or

> prevent insulin resistance. If 2 people have the same genetic tendency

> towards developing it, but one exercises and eats low-carb and the other

> one is sedentary and eats high-sugar, the second one will develop it

> very soon and the second much later or not at all.

>

> Now, I am assuming here that the resistance is caused by too much

> insulin floating in the blood stream, not by damage to the receptors

> before any excess insulin is produced. Cause if the receptors are

> damaged, the #1 guy in my scenario is gonna have normal levels of

> insulin floating around, but they are not gonna get the job done anyway,

> and the #2 guy is gonna have a large amount of insulin, yet both will be

> insulin-resistant.

>

> Jan

>

>

> topper2@... wrote:

>

> > So.. your opinion, please....

> >

> > If a person may have a tendency to developing a level of insulin

> > resistance.. might it be possible to delay or reduce the likelihood of

> > developing it (to a noticeable degree) by watching how and what they

> > eat and exercising according to their ability?

> >

> > Just curious about your thoughts here...

> >

> > Topper ()