Re: Request for helpful info

[Guest guest]

I haven't heard anything about this particular method but it sure sounds like

snake oil to me. If a cure for diabetes had been discovered, you can be sure

it would be getting wide press attention. You need to gently tell your

mother that at this point, at least, there is NO CURE for diabetes, alas.

Don't waste your money on a trip to Malasia...it's a third world country,

lots of poverty, not very clean, terrible climate, lots of political unrest,

etc. etc. Sorry. Vicki

<<

My mother recently got some information through the

internet about an unusual diabetic treatment found in

Malaysia. This treatment is known as diabetic

harmonization. She seem to have fallen head over heals

over what it claims and apparently they claim that

diabetes can be cured. >>

[Guest guest]

> I haven't heard anything about this

> particular method but it sure sounds

> like snake oil to me.

You can read some testimonials (all from Malaysians) at:

http://www.harmonisation-healing.com/testimonies.htm

[Guest guest]

Nope, there is no cure for diabetes, and the only harmony involved is that

achieved by good bg control. Please tell her not to waste her time, money,

energy, etc. All claims like this are scams!

Barb

> My mother recently got some information through the

> internet about an unusual diabetic treatment found in

> Malaysia. This treatment is known as diabetic

> harmonization.

[Guest guest]

Nope, there is no cure for diabetes, and the only harmony involved is that

achieved by good bg control. Please tell her not to waste her time, money,

energy, etc. All claims like this are scams!

Barb

> My mother recently got some information through the

> internet about an unusual diabetic treatment found in

> Malaysia. This treatment is known as diabetic

> harmonization.

[Guest guest]

---Sorry but those testimonials do nothing to make me want to go

there for this treatment. If there were a cure, it would be known

the world over. I have seen ads complete with testimonials for just

about everything. There is the ancient Egyptian Palm cure, the air

bathing cure and others that I don't recall at the moment. the only

known factor in controlling this disease is exercise and diet and

medication as needed which is prescribed by a physician with a degree

from a medical school.

this is the first time I have heard of this as well, but there is a

first time for everything. I am sure one can find anything on the

net if one looks hard enough. Use common sense whenever a cure is

promised for anything.

Madge

In diabetes_int@y..., " j459g " <j459g@y...> wrote:

>

>

> > I haven't heard anything about this

> > particular method but it sure sounds

> > like snake oil to me.

>

> You can read some testimonials (all from Malaysians) at:

>

> http://www.harmonisation-healing.com/testimonies.htm

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is this another of those diabetic jokes? There is no

helpful info.

Joanne

--- RainbowFarm wrote:

> > If I fast for 7 hours my blood sugar will fall way

> down even on no meds

> > and it doesn't cost me anything. I don't look at

> my navel it is too

> > depressing and hard to find

>

> **A great giggle for a Sunday morning, Phyllis!!

> Thanks!

> Barb

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is this another of those diabetic jokes? There is no

helpful info.

Joanne

--- RainbowFarm wrote:

> > If I fast for 7 hours my blood sugar will fall way

> down even on no meds

> > and it doesn't cost me anything. I don't look at

> my navel it is too

> > depressing and hard to find

>

> **A great giggle for a Sunday morning, Phyllis!!

> Thanks!

> Barb

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is this another of those diabetic jokes? There is no

helpful info.

Joanne

--- RainbowFarm wrote:

> > If I fast for 7 hours my blood sugar will fall way

> down even on no meds

> > and it doesn't cost me anything. I don't look at

> my navel it is too

> > depressing and hard to find

>

> **A great giggle for a Sunday morning, Phyllis!!

> Thanks!

> Barb

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > > I haven't heard anything about this

> > > > particular method but it sure sounds

> > > > like snake oil to me.

> > >

> > > You can read some testimonials (all from

> > Malaysians) at:

> > >

> > >

> > http://www.harmonisation-healing.com/testimonies.htm

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > > I haven't heard anything about this

> > > > particular method but it sure sounds

> > > > like snake oil to me.

> > >

> > > You can read some testimonials (all from

> > Malaysians) at:

> > >

> > >

> > http://www.harmonisation-healing.com/testimonies.htm

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > > I haven't heard anything about this

> > > > particular method but it sure sounds

> > > > like snake oil to me.

> > >

> > > You can read some testimonials (all from

> > Malaysians) at:

> > >

> > >

> > http://www.harmonisation-healing.com/testimonies.htm

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> Quite honestly, I am cheesed off

> with these sort of replies. I

> asked for some helpful info. ...

I think the reason why you didn't get much helpful information from

us, Joanne, is that nobody in this group has any experience of the

harmonization treatment.

And all we can find on the Internet are statements and unverified

claims made by the therapist who is offering the service in question

in return for payment and a number of testimonials from his patients,

both of which are notoriously unreliable sources of information.

If you don't like the term " snake oil " then how about the term used

by the American Diabetes Association: " Unproven Therapies " ? The ADA

uses the following criteria to establish the safety and efficacy of a

diabetes diagnostic or therapeutic modality [1]:

- It has been approved for use by the FDA, or

- It is supported by data obtained in at least two independent well-

controlled studies that have been published in peer-reviewed

scientific publications, or

- It is endorsed by the ADA's Professional Practice Committee, or

- It is endorsed by a relevant or appropriate medical speciality

organization.

I have made a full search of the ADA website (all journals) for an

occurrence of the term " harmonization " or " harmonisation " but found

nothing relevant to the therapy offered in Malaysia so it would be

safe to assume that the ADA has not considered it, or is not yet

ready to mention it in a publication if they have considered it.

Of course, there are many other unproven diabetes therapies

available, including the many special diets often recommended in this

group but unproven according to the ADA criteria [2], so just because

it is unproven does not mean that it does not produce subjectively

positive results (placebo effect or pure chance or insufficient long-

term data or lack of objective reporting) or will not later be

considered to be proven.

I did give you the URL for the " harmonization " testimonials and I

suggest that they, and the description at the URL given to you by

Phyllis, is the best information that you can expect to receive from

this group on this subject.

> I did not ask for any prejudiced

> fiction of anyone's imagination.

That is quite true, but then all the information available about an

unproven therapy has got to be by definition either prejudiced or a

fiction or imagined (meaning: subjective and anecdotal).

My suggestion would be that:

a)if your mother can easily afford the trip and treatment then she

should go ahead since, from the information available, there is

nothing in it that seems to be potentially harmful, or

b)if she can't easily afford it but is willing to risk an " unproven

therapy " anyway then she should try one of the many home-grown ones

(e.g. one of the current fad diets such as The Zone, Atkins, Fit for

Life or Sugar Busters), or

c) she should comply with an already " proven therapy " meeting the

criteria I listed above (e.g. [3]).

I am sorry that I didn't answer you this way before but I had the

mistaken impression that you didn't take the harmonization idea too

seriously either.

I hope that this reply is a little more helpful to you than my

previous reply.

Thornton

Pforzheim, Germany

[1] American Diabetes Association: " Clinical Practice

Recommendations, Unproven Therapies " , Diabetes Care, Vol. 24, Supp.

1., 2001.

[2] American Diabetes Association: " Evidence-based Nutrition

Principles and Recommendations for the Treatment and Prevention of

Diabetes and Related Complications " , Diabetes Care, Vol. 25, No. 1,

January 2002.

[3] American Diabetes Association: " Complete Guide to Diabetes, 2nd

Edition, Chapter 8 " , 1999, ISBN 1-58040-038-8, US$23.95

[Guest guest]

> Quite honestly, I am cheesed off

> with these sort of replies. I

> asked for some helpful info. ...

I think the reason why you didn't get much helpful information from

us, Joanne, is that nobody in this group has any experience of the

harmonization treatment.

And all we can find on the Internet are statements and unverified

claims made by the therapist who is offering the service in question

in return for payment and a number of testimonials from his patients,

both of which are notoriously unreliable sources of information.

If you don't like the term " snake oil " then how about the term used

by the American Diabetes Association: " Unproven Therapies " ? The ADA

uses the following criteria to establish the safety and efficacy of a

diabetes diagnostic or therapeutic modality [1]:

- It has been approved for use by the FDA, or

- It is supported by data obtained in at least two independent well-

controlled studies that have been published in peer-reviewed

scientific publications, or

- It is endorsed by the ADA's Professional Practice Committee, or

- It is endorsed by a relevant or appropriate medical speciality

organization.

I have made a full search of the ADA website (all journals) for an

occurrence of the term " harmonization " or " harmonisation " but found

nothing relevant to the therapy offered in Malaysia so it would be

safe to assume that the ADA has not considered it, or is not yet

ready to mention it in a publication if they have considered it.

Of course, there are many other unproven diabetes therapies

available, including the many special diets often recommended in this

group but unproven according to the ADA criteria [2], so just because

it is unproven does not mean that it does not produce subjectively

positive results (placebo effect or pure chance or insufficient long-

term data or lack of objective reporting) or will not later be

considered to be proven.

I did give you the URL for the " harmonization " testimonials and I

suggest that they, and the description at the URL given to you by

Phyllis, is the best information that you can expect to receive from

this group on this subject.

> I did not ask for any prejudiced

> fiction of anyone's imagination.

That is quite true, but then all the information available about an

unproven therapy has got to be by definition either prejudiced or a

fiction or imagined (meaning: subjective and anecdotal).

My suggestion would be that:

a)if your mother can easily afford the trip and treatment then she

should go ahead since, from the information available, there is

nothing in it that seems to be potentially harmful, or

b)if she can't easily afford it but is willing to risk an " unproven

therapy " anyway then she should try one of the many home-grown ones

(e.g. one of the current fad diets such as The Zone, Atkins, Fit for

Life or Sugar Busters), or

c) she should comply with an already " proven therapy " meeting the

criteria I listed above (e.g. [3]).

I am sorry that I didn't answer you this way before but I had the

mistaken impression that you didn't take the harmonization idea too

seriously either.

I hope that this reply is a little more helpful to you than my

previous reply.

Thornton

Pforzheim, Germany

[1] American Diabetes Association: " Clinical Practice

Recommendations, Unproven Therapies " , Diabetes Care, Vol. 24, Supp.

1., 2001.

[2] American Diabetes Association: " Evidence-based Nutrition

Principles and Recommendations for the Treatment and Prevention of

Diabetes and Related Complications " , Diabetes Care, Vol. 25, No. 1,

January 2002.

[3] American Diabetes Association: " Complete Guide to Diabetes, 2nd

Edition, Chapter 8 " , 1999, ISBN 1-58040-038-8, US$23.95