Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Thanks Jan. I'm thinking that I may try the adrenal support and iron first for awhile. What do you think? Or is just a foregone conclusion that I do need the armour? Sorry for being so unsure. I just want to do the best thing. Thanks. Shelli Re: Got test results > You don't have Hashi's, but your FT3 is much too low for anyone to feel > good. I'd start on 1/2 grain Armour. And you definitely need some iron > with that ferritin that low. > > > Jan > > Shelli wrote: > > > Well, I finally had testing done and am wondering what to think. Below > > are the results. I included everything because I'm not sure what if > > there's something someone else might see that could cause a problem. > > I've had hypo symptoms for quite a while and of course TSH always was > > " normal " . Lately however, I haven't been feeling as badly. We had > > talked on the list about waiting until I felt bad again to get the > > tests but I wasn't thinking and just went and did it. What do you all > > think? I'm also wondering if my adrenals are worn out. I have a lot of > > adrenal symptoms as well. Ferritin is 47. Is that low enough to cause > > symptoms? > > Thanks, > > Shelli > > > > > > > > > > 3. *Tests/Panels Ordered* > > Order Code Description Collection Date Status > > 3479 ANTI-THYROID ANTIBODIES UNKNOWN F > > 8042 BASIC CHEM,LIPID,CBC W/DIFF,FERRITIN,FT3,FT4,TSH UNKNOWN F > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > 4. *Laboratory Results* > > *Test Code* *Description* *Result* *Range* *Units* > > 4532 _ANTI-THYROGLOBULIN AB_ <javascript:tstPop('ANTI-THYROGLOBULIN > > AB');> <20 < 40 - IU/ML > > 4534 _ANTITHYROID PEROXIDASE_ <javascript:tstPop('ANTITHYROID > > PEROXIDASE');> <10 < 35 - IU/ML > > 2908 _NEUTROPHILS_ <javascript:tstPop('NEUTROPHILS');> 62 42 - 77 % > > 2910 _LYMPHOCYTES_ <javascript:tstPop('LYMPHOCYTES');> 26 16 - 43 % > > 2912 _MONOCYTES_ <javascript:tstPop('MONOCYTES');> 8 4 - 12 % > > 2914 _EOSINOPHILS_ <javascript:tstPop('EOSINOPHILS');> 3 0 - 8 % > > 2916 _BASOPHILS_ <javascript:tstPop('BASOPHILS');> 1 0 - 3 % > > 2930 _WBC_ <javascript:tstPop('WBC');> 7.3 4.0 - 11.0 K/MCL > > 2932 _RBC_ <javascript:tstPop('RBC');> 4.50 4.20 - 5.40 MILLION/MCL > > 2934 _HGB_ <javascript:tstPop('HGB');> 13.6 12.0 - 16.0 G/DL > > 2936 _HCT_ <javascript:tstPop('HCT');> 43.9 36.0 - 49.0 % > > 2938 _MCV_ <javascript:tstPop('MCV');> 98 81 - 103 FL > > 2940 _MCH_ <javascript:tstPop('MCH');> 30.4 26.0 - 35.0 PG > > 2942 _MCHC_ <javascript:tstPop('MCHC');> 31.0 30.0 - 37.0 G/DL > > 2944 _PLATELET COUNT_ <javascript:tstPop('PLATELET COUNT');> 307 > > 130 - 400 K/MCL > > 2950 _RDW_ <javascript:tstPop('RDW');> 13.8 11.5 - 14.5 % > > 3050 _ALT (SGPT)_ <javascript:tstPop('ALT (SGPT)');> 13 < 45 - U/L > > 3052 _ALBUMIN_ <javascript:tstPop('ALBUMIN');> 4.5 3.7 - 5.2 G/DL > > 3053 _GLOBULIN_ <javascript:tstPop('GLOBULIN');> 2.6 1.8 - 3.5 G/DL > > 3054 _ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE_ <javascript:tstPop('ALKALINE > > PHOSPHATASE');> 53 40 - 125 U/L > > 3056 _AST (SGOT)_ <javascript:tstPop('AST (SGOT)');> 14 < 45 - U/L > > 3058 _BUN_ <javascript:tstPop('BUN');> 11 < 23 - MG/DL > > 3060 _CALCIUM_ <javascript:tstPop('CALCIUM');> 8.9 8.5 - 10.5 MG/DL > > 3062 _CHLORIDE_ <javascript:tstPop('CHLORIDE');> 103 98 - 109 MEQ/L > > 3064 _CHOLESTEROL_ <javascript:tstPop('CHOLESTEROL');> 189 < 200 > > - MG/DL > > 3066 _CREATININE_ <javascript:tstPop('CREATININE');> 0.8 < 1.5 - > > MG/DL > > 3070 _GGT_ <javascript:tstPop('GGT');> 11 < 45 - U/L > > 3072 _GLUCOSE_ <javascript:tstPop('GLUCOSE');> 86 60 - 109 MG/DL > > 3074 _IRON_ <javascript:tstPop('IRON');> 117 35 - 185 MCG/DL > > 3078 _LDH_ <javascript:tstPop('LDH');> 129 119 - 223 U/L > > 3080 _PHOSPHORUS_ <javascript:tstPop('PHOSPHORUS');> 2.8 2.8 - > > 4.7 MG/DL > > 3082 _POTASSIUM_ <javascript:tstPop('POTASSIUM');> 4.4 3.6 - 5.2 > > MEQ/L > > 3084 _SODIUM_ <javascript:tstPop('SODIUM');> 141 136 - 146 MEQ/L > > 3086 _TOTAL BILIRUBIN_ <javascript:tstPop('TOTAL BILIRUBIN');> 0.9 > > 0.2 - 1.3 MG/DL > > 3087 _A/G RATIO_ <javascript:tstPop('A/G RATIO');> 1.7 1 - 2.5 > > 3088 _TOTAL PROTEIN_ <javascript:tstPop('TOTAL PROTEIN');> 7.1 6.3 > > - 7.8 G/DL > > 3090 _TRIGLYCERIDES_ <javascript:tstPop('TRIGLYCERIDES');> 160 < > > 150 - MG/DL > > 3092 _URIC ACID_ <javascript:tstPop('URIC ACID');> 3.7 2.5 - 6.8 > > MG/DL > > 3094 _HEMOLYTIC SRM APPEAR_ <javascript:tstPop('HEMOLYTIC SRM > > APPEAR');> > > - > > NO HEMOLYSIS DETECTED > > 3096 _LIPEMIC SRM APPEAR_ <javascript:tstPop('LIPEMIC SRM APPEAR');> > > - > > NO LIPEMIA DETECTED > > 3098 _ICTERIC SRM APPEAR_ <javascript:tstPop('ICTERIC SRM APPEAR');> > > - > > NO ICTERUS DETECTED > > 3657 _HDL CHOLESTEROL_ <javascript:tstPop('HDL CHOLESTEROL');> 61 > > > 39 - MG/DL > > 3659 _CHOL/HDL RATIO_ <javascript:tstPop('CHOL/HDL RATIO');> 3.1 < > > 5.0 - > > 3661 _LDL CHOLESTEROL_ <javascript:tstPop('LDL CHOLESTEROL');> 96 < > > 130 - MG/DL > > 3663 _LDL/HDL RATIO_ <javascript:tstPop('LDL/HDL RATIO');> 1.57 < > > 3.25 - > > 3664 _VLDL, CALCULATED_ <javascript:tstPop('VLDL, CALCULATED');> > > 32 < 30 - MG/DL > > 3691 _FERRITIN_ <javascript:tstPop('FERRITIN');> 47 10 - 291 NG/ML > > 3693 _FREE THYROXINE (FT4)_ <javascript:tstPop('FREE THYROXINE > > (FT4)');> 1.2 0.8 - 1.8 NG/DL > > 4114 _BICARBONATE_ <javascript:tstPop('BICARBONATE');> 24 21 - 30 > > MEQ/L > > 4145 _TRIIODOTHYRONINE FREE_ <javascript:tstPop('TRIIODOTHYRONINE > > FREE');> 3.0 2.3 - 4.2 PG/ML > > 4536 _TSH (3RD GENERATION)_ <javascript:tstPop('TSH (3RD > > GENERATION)');> 2.214 0.35 - 5.50 MCIU/ML > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *End Of Report* > > > > > > > > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 Thanks Jan. I'm thinking that I may try the adrenal support and iron first for awhile. What do you think? Or is just a foregone conclusion that I do need the armour? Sorry for being so unsure. I just want to do the best thing. Thanks. Shelli Re: Got test results > You don't have Hashi's, but your FT3 is much too low for anyone to feel > good. I'd start on 1/2 grain Armour. And you definitely need some iron > with that ferritin that low. > > > Jan > > Shelli wrote: > > > Well, I finally had testing done and am wondering what to think. Below > > are the results. I included everything because I'm not sure what if > > there's something someone else might see that could cause a problem. > > I've had hypo symptoms for quite a while and of course TSH always was > > " normal " . Lately however, I haven't been feeling as badly. We had > > talked on the list about waiting until I felt bad again to get the > > tests but I wasn't thinking and just went and did it. What do you all > > think? I'm also wondering if my adrenals are worn out. I have a lot of > > adrenal symptoms as well. Ferritin is 47. Is that low enough to cause > > symptoms? > > Thanks, > > Shelli > > > > > > > > > > 3. *Tests/Panels Ordered* > > Order Code Description Collection Date Status > > 3479 ANTI-THYROID ANTIBODIES UNKNOWN F > > 8042 BASIC CHEM,LIPID,CBC W/DIFF,FERRITIN,FT3,FT4,TSH UNKNOWN F > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > 4. *Laboratory Results* > > *Test Code* *Description* *Result* *Range* *Units* > > 4532 _ANTI-THYROGLOBULIN AB_ <javascript:tstPop('ANTI-THYROGLOBULIN > > AB');> <20 < 40 - IU/ML > > 4534 _ANTITHYROID PEROXIDASE_ <javascript:tstPop('ANTITHYROID > > PEROXIDASE');> <10 < 35 - IU/ML > > 2908 _NEUTROPHILS_ <javascript:tstPop('NEUTROPHILS');> 62 42 - 77 % > > 2910 _LYMPHOCYTES_ <javascript:tstPop('LYMPHOCYTES');> 26 16 - 43 % > > 2912 _MONOCYTES_ <javascript:tstPop('MONOCYTES');> 8 4 - 12 % > > 2914 _EOSINOPHILS_ <javascript:tstPop('EOSINOPHILS');> 3 0 - 8 % > > 2916 _BASOPHILS_ <javascript:tstPop('BASOPHILS');> 1 0 - 3 % > > 2930 _WBC_ <javascript:tstPop('WBC');> 7.3 4.0 - 11.0 K/MCL > > 2932 _RBC_ <javascript:tstPop('RBC');> 4.50 4.20 - 5.40 MILLION/MCL > > 2934 _HGB_ <javascript:tstPop('HGB');> 13.6 12.0 - 16.0 G/DL > > 2936 _HCT_ <javascript:tstPop('HCT');> 43.9 36.0 - 49.0 % > > 2938 _MCV_ <javascript:tstPop('MCV');> 98 81 - 103 FL > > 2940 _MCH_ <javascript:tstPop('MCH');> 30.4 26.0 - 35.0 PG > > 2942 _MCHC_ <javascript:tstPop('MCHC');> 31.0 30.0 - 37.0 G/DL > > 2944 _PLATELET COUNT_ <javascript:tstPop('PLATELET COUNT');> 307 > > 130 - 400 K/MCL > > 2950 _RDW_ <javascript:tstPop('RDW');> 13.8 11.5 - 14.5 % > > 3050 _ALT (SGPT)_ <javascript:tstPop('ALT (SGPT)');> 13 < 45 - U/L > > 3052 _ALBUMIN_ <javascript:tstPop('ALBUMIN');> 4.5 3.7 - 5.2 G/DL > > 3053 _GLOBULIN_ <javascript:tstPop('GLOBULIN');> 2.6 1.8 - 3.5 G/DL > > 3054 _ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE_ <javascript:tstPop('ALKALINE > > PHOSPHATASE');> 53 40 - 125 U/L > > 3056 _AST (SGOT)_ <javascript:tstPop('AST (SGOT)');> 14 < 45 - U/L > > 3058 _BUN_ <javascript:tstPop('BUN');> 11 < 23 - MG/DL > > 3060 _CALCIUM_ <javascript:tstPop('CALCIUM');> 8.9 8.5 - 10.5 MG/DL > > 3062 _CHLORIDE_ <javascript:tstPop('CHLORIDE');> 103 98 - 109 MEQ/L > > 3064 _CHOLESTEROL_ <javascript:tstPop('CHOLESTEROL');> 189 < 200 > > - MG/DL > > 3066 _CREATININE_ <javascript:tstPop('CREATININE');> 0.8 < 1.5 - > > MG/DL > > 3070 _GGT_ <javascript:tstPop('GGT');> 11 < 45 - U/L > > 3072 _GLUCOSE_ <javascript:tstPop('GLUCOSE');> 86 60 - 109 MG/DL > > 3074 _IRON_ <javascript:tstPop('IRON');> 117 35 - 185 MCG/DL > > 3078 _LDH_ <javascript:tstPop('LDH');> 129 119 - 223 U/L > > 3080 _PHOSPHORUS_ <javascript:tstPop('PHOSPHORUS');> 2.8 2.8 - > > 4.7 MG/DL > > 3082 _POTASSIUM_ <javascript:tstPop('POTASSIUM');> 4.4 3.6 - 5.2 > > MEQ/L > > 3084 _SODIUM_ <javascript:tstPop('SODIUM');> 141 136 - 146 MEQ/L > > 3086 _TOTAL BILIRUBIN_ <javascript:tstPop('TOTAL BILIRUBIN');> 0.9 > > 0.2 - 1.3 MG/DL > > 3087 _A/G RATIO_ <javascript:tstPop('A/G RATIO');> 1.7 1 - 2.5 > > 3088 _TOTAL PROTEIN_ <javascript:tstPop('TOTAL PROTEIN');> 7.1 6.3 > > - 7.8 G/DL > > 3090 _TRIGLYCERIDES_ <javascript:tstPop('TRIGLYCERIDES');> 160 < > > 150 - MG/DL > > 3092 _URIC ACID_ <javascript:tstPop('URIC ACID');> 3.7 2.5 - 6.8 > > MG/DL > > 3094 _HEMOLYTIC SRM APPEAR_ <javascript:tstPop('HEMOLYTIC SRM > > APPEAR');> > > - > > NO HEMOLYSIS DETECTED > > 3096 _LIPEMIC SRM APPEAR_ <javascript:tstPop('LIPEMIC SRM APPEAR');> > > - > > NO LIPEMIA DETECTED > > 3098 _ICTERIC SRM APPEAR_ <javascript:tstPop('ICTERIC SRM APPEAR');> > > - > > NO ICTERUS DETECTED > > 3657 _HDL CHOLESTEROL_ <javascript:tstPop('HDL CHOLESTEROL');> 61 > > > 39 - MG/DL > > 3659 _CHOL/HDL RATIO_ <javascript:tstPop('CHOL/HDL RATIO');> 3.1 < > > 5.0 - > > 3661 _LDL CHOLESTEROL_ <javascript:tstPop('LDL CHOLESTEROL');> 96 < > > 130 - MG/DL > > 3663 _LDL/HDL RATIO_ <javascript:tstPop('LDL/HDL RATIO');> 1.57 < > > 3.25 - > > 3664 _VLDL, CALCULATED_ <javascript:tstPop('VLDL, CALCULATED');> > > 32 < 30 - MG/DL > > 3691 _FERRITIN_ <javascript:tstPop('FERRITIN');> 47 10 - 291 NG/ML > > 3693 _FREE THYROXINE (FT4)_ <javascript:tstPop('FREE THYROXINE > > (FT4)');> 1.2 0.8 - 1.8 NG/DL > > 4114 _BICARBONATE_ <javascript:tstPop('BICARBONATE');> 24 21 - 30 > > MEQ/L > > 4145 _TRIIODOTHYRONINE FREE_ <javascript:tstPop('TRIIODOTHYRONINE > > FREE');> 3.0 2.3 - 4.2 PG/ML > > 4536 _TSH (3RD GENERATION)_ <javascript:tstPop('TSH (3RD > > GENERATION)');> 2.214 0.35 - 5.50 MCIU/ML > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *End Of Report* > > > > > > > > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 My bet is you are gonna need the Armour - but adrenal support first is always a good idea, so you don't get palpitation from the Armour. Jan Shelli wrote: >Thanks Jan. I'm thinking that I may try the adrenal support and iron first >for awhile. What do you think? Or is just a foregone conclusion that I do >need the armour? Sorry for being so unsure. I just want to do the best >thing. >Thanks. >Shelli > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 You are definitely hypothyroid, with that kind of body temp, after being up and around for awhile, plus your Free T3 is way too low. We don't like the "normal" lab reference ranges because they don't take into acct the very many millions of people who are actually normal with much higher levels of Free T3 and Free T4, but particularly the Free T3. Most doctors don't understand this, and that TSH is the pituitary hormone, not the thyroid hormone. However, yours is more than obvious, even by the standards of the TSH. That is waaayyyy high, by any standards. You are hypothyroid. Ever had an antibodies test? This is very important to know, as it can also skew the labs, plus the treatment program should be quided by these. Got test results Well, that was an interesting doctor visit. I have a primary care physician and also a hematologist due to past and current blood clotting issues. The clotting was his main interest in my visit, but since I spend most days feeling like I have been hit by a truck, I asked about my most recent thyroid levels. ! My TSH is 10.70, my free T4 is 1.08 and my free T3 is 2.26. What does this mean? Other than the TSH, it looks like my numbers fell almost within normal limits. Why then, do I still feel like crap? I did get to show off a little and hope I got my information right. (nothing like trying to show how educated and well read you are and having it come out all wrong) He asked about my $ynthroid dose and I told him it was only 25 mcg and he said it sounds like my dosage needs to be increased. So then I said (correct me if I am wrong) that isn’t it true though, that you ! can pump all kinds of synthetic T4 into my body, but if my body can’t do much to convert it, then I am basically SOL? He did at least say that yes, then I would have to take a T3 supplement. I said, “Why are all doctors married to Synthroid for this problem?” and you know, pretty muc! h, blah blah best known, yadda yadda best results. The answer was so vague and pointless that I honestly don’t remember what he said. He did say that you’d be hard pressed to find an internist who would prescribe Armour Thyroid tha! t these prescriptions come from endocrinologists. Is that true? He did at least admit to not being as well-versed in thyroid disease as some, but since Dr. Blood isn’t treating my thyroid, I was preaching to the choir anyway. What else: BP 122/60 (high for me), temp was 96.8, pulse was 67. I am going to see if I can get a referral to an endocrinologist, but in the meantime, does anyone have any thoughts on why I am still such a mess? Thanks! Carol P.S. Topper, you know I meant to ask – I never did see Kingdom Hospital, was it any good? It’s gone now, right? I have just been so bored with TV lately. Husband is working tonight so I am renting The Stand – I have never seen the movie! Read the book at least 100 times, so I will go on your recommendation that my favorite literary characters ever will be w! ell represented J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2004 Report Share Posted October 6, 2004 You are definitely hypothyroid, with that kind of body temp, after being up and around for awhile, plus your Free T3 is way too low. We don't like the "normal" lab reference ranges because they don't take into acct the very many millions of people who are actually normal with much higher levels of Free T3 and Free T4, but particularly the Free T3. Most doctors don't understand this, and that TSH is the pituitary hormone, not the thyroid hormone. However, yours is more than obvious, even by the standards of the TSH. That is waaayyyy high, by any standards. You are hypothyroid. Ever had an antibodies test? This is very important to know, as it can also skew the labs, plus the treatment program should be quided by these. Got test results Well, that was an interesting doctor visit. I have a primary care physician and also a hematologist due to past and current blood clotting issues. The clotting was his main interest in my visit, but since I spend most days feeling like I have been hit by a truck, I asked about my most recent thyroid levels. ! My TSH is 10.70, my free T4 is 1.08 and my free T3 is 2.26. What does this mean? Other than the TSH, it looks like my numbers fell almost within normal limits. Why then, do I still feel like crap? I did get to show off a little and hope I got my information right. (nothing like trying to show how educated and well read you are and having it come out all wrong) He asked about my $ynthroid dose and I told him it was only 25 mcg and he said it sounds like my dosage needs to be increased. So then I said (correct me if I am wrong) that isn’t it true though, that you ! can pump all kinds of synthetic T4 into my body, but if my body can’t do much to convert it, then I am basically SOL? He did at least say that yes, then I would have to take a T3 supplement. I said, “Why are all doctors married to Synthroid for this problem?” and you know, pretty muc! h, blah blah best known, yadda yadda best results. The answer was so vague and pointless that I honestly don’t remember what he said. He did say that you’d be hard pressed to find an internist who would prescribe Armour Thyroid tha! t these prescriptions come from endocrinologists. Is that true? He did at least admit to not being as well-versed in thyroid disease as some, but since Dr. Blood isn’t treating my thyroid, I was preaching to the choir anyway. What else: BP 122/60 (high for me), temp was 96.8, pulse was 67. I am going to see if I can get a referral to an endocrinologist, but in the meantime, does anyone have any thoughts on why I am still such a mess? Thanks! Carol P.S. Topper, you know I meant to ask – I never did see Kingdom Hospital, was it any good? It’s gone now, right? I have just been so bored with TV lately. Husband is working tonight so I am renting The Stand – I have never seen the movie! Read the book at least 100 times, so I will go on your recommendation that my favorite literary characters ever will be w! ell represented J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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