Re: Iodine--The good and the very bad

[Guest guest]

I have to agree with what you've written, from personal experience

and from other things I've read. When I first learned I was hyper.

I went to a Chinese doctor who gave me herbs and large amounts of

seaweed caplets. Seaweed is packed with nutrients but is also very

high in Iodine. After a month I was so ill that I couldn't keep any

food down. By that time my primary doctor did more tests and my TSH

test showed extreme hyper. numbers. I stopped seeing the Chinese

doctor and taking seaweed and my TSH soon dropped to hypo. levels.

There is no way of knowing what, if any, damage I did to my

thyroid. I know this is a common chinese way of treating thyroid

disorders, but it wasn't for me.

Also read one of Shoman's articles about a study that involved

patients with Hashimoto's. They treated people with low levels of

T4 for a year and a certain percentage of them recovered and didn't

need further treatment. Forgot the percentage.

> I wanted to post here about Iodine. I have learned a lot recently

> form Werner & Ingbar's " The Thyroid " Most people with

hypothyroidism

> and hyperthryoidism have some type of auto-immune dysfunction. In

> the majority of cases they have auto-antibodies attacking some

part

> of the thyroid. A certain number of these people have auto-

> antibodies that attack the part of the tyroid that is responsible

> for placing the Iodine on the tyrosine rings. For some reason this

> part of the thyroid is most susceptible to an auto-immune response

> and dysfunction. In these people, taking iodine will result in

> damage to the thyroid and possibly a crashing auto-immune flare-up

> or hyperthyroid flare. What happens if you are one of those people

> and you take iodine is that the thyroid takes it up and puts it in

a

> certain area for storage to add to the tyrosine rings. The thyroid

> is an Iodine storage unit. Once the iodine gets there, it triggers

> auto-immune antibodies which attack that part of the thyroid and

> cause damage to cells and the release of oxidative byproducts.

These

> byproducts damage the thyroid furhter and result in the production

> of strong iodine salts that also damage the thyroid. So, if you

are

> one of those people who have iodine triggered auto-immune thyroid

> disease, you need to stay away from excess iodine or you will

> accelerate the damege of your thyroid, which you need to make up

the

> rest of the thyroid hormone that you require above the amount of

> pills you are taking unless you are taking over 4-1/2 grains and

> totally supressing your thyroid.

>

> Extra iodine can also be held in the cells in the body by other

> proteins, which can trigger the same auto-immune response in the

> rest of the body and this is why some people feel terrible if they

> take extra iodine. It's like your body thinks you are full of

poison

> and goes on the offensive. (I'm one of those)

>

> So, though Iodine is actually very benificial for about 80% of all

> people, for about 20% it can be disasterous. Much of this out of

> control response has to do with genetics. There is a certain

> proportion of the population with a susceptibility to auto-immune

> responses to excess iodine.

>

> The most interesting thing I read in Werner & Ingbar's was that

> about 11% of Hashimotos patients who go on suppressive thryoid

> treatment for 6 to 8 years can be cured. If it is caught early and

> thryoid treatment started, the body's immune system eventually

> forgets the code to attack the thyroid and atibodies against the

> thyroid are all dead and gone. These people can go off hormone and

> live healthy lives. Doctors decided not to try this on patients

> after 6-8 years because 89% weren't cured and it made them suffer.

> This both tells me that the thyroid is not weakened by taking

> hormone for a long time and that the thyroid can return to heath

> when damaged.

>

> Tish

[Guest guest]

I have to agree with what you've written, from personal experience

and from other things I've read. When I first learned I was hyper.

I went to a Chinese doctor who gave me herbs and large amounts of

seaweed caplets. Seaweed is packed with nutrients but is also very

high in Iodine. After a month I was so ill that I couldn't keep any

food down. By that time my primary doctor did more tests and my TSH

test showed extreme hyper. numbers. I stopped seeing the Chinese

doctor and taking seaweed and my TSH soon dropped to hypo. levels.

There is no way of knowing what, if any, damage I did to my

thyroid. I know this is a common chinese way of treating thyroid

disorders, but it wasn't for me.

Also read one of Shoman's articles about a study that involved

patients with Hashimoto's. They treated people with low levels of

T4 for a year and a certain percentage of them recovered and didn't

need further treatment. Forgot the percentage.

> I wanted to post here about Iodine. I have learned a lot recently

> form Werner & Ingbar's " The Thyroid " Most people with

hypothyroidism

> and hyperthryoidism have some type of auto-immune dysfunction. In

> the majority of cases they have auto-antibodies attacking some

part

> of the thyroid. A certain number of these people have auto-

> antibodies that attack the part of the tyroid that is responsible

> for placing the Iodine on the tyrosine rings. For some reason this

> part of the thyroid is most susceptible to an auto-immune response

> and dysfunction. In these people, taking iodine will result in

> damage to the thyroid and possibly a crashing auto-immune flare-up

> or hyperthyroid flare. What happens if you are one of those people

> and you take iodine is that the thyroid takes it up and puts it in

a

> certain area for storage to add to the tyrosine rings. The thyroid

> is an Iodine storage unit. Once the iodine gets there, it triggers

> auto-immune antibodies which attack that part of the thyroid and

> cause damage to cells and the release of oxidative byproducts.

These

> byproducts damage the thyroid furhter and result in the production

> of strong iodine salts that also damage the thyroid. So, if you

are

> one of those people who have iodine triggered auto-immune thyroid

> disease, you need to stay away from excess iodine or you will

> accelerate the damege of your thyroid, which you need to make up

the

> rest of the thyroid hormone that you require above the amount of

> pills you are taking unless you are taking over 4-1/2 grains and

> totally supressing your thyroid.

>

> Extra iodine can also be held in the cells in the body by other

> proteins, which can trigger the same auto-immune response in the

> rest of the body and this is why some people feel terrible if they

> take extra iodine. It's like your body thinks you are full of

poison

> and goes on the offensive. (I'm one of those)

>

> So, though Iodine is actually very benificial for about 80% of all

> people, for about 20% it can be disasterous. Much of this out of

> control response has to do with genetics. There is a certain

> proportion of the population with a susceptibility to auto-immune

> responses to excess iodine.

>

> The most interesting thing I read in Werner & Ingbar's was that

> about 11% of Hashimotos patients who go on suppressive thryoid

> treatment for 6 to 8 years can be cured. If it is caught early and

> thryoid treatment started, the body's immune system eventually

> forgets the code to attack the thyroid and atibodies against the

> thyroid are all dead and gone. These people can go off hormone and

> live healthy lives. Doctors decided not to try this on patients

> after 6-8 years because 89% weren't cured and it made them suffer.

> This both tells me that the thyroid is not weakened by taking

> hormone for a long time and that the thyroid can return to heath

> when damaged.

>

> Tish

[Guest guest]

I have to agree with what you've written, from personal experience

and from other things I've read. When I first learned I was hyper.

I went to a Chinese doctor who gave me herbs and large amounts of

seaweed caplets. Seaweed is packed with nutrients but is also very

high in Iodine. After a month I was so ill that I couldn't keep any

food down. By that time my primary doctor did more tests and my TSH

test showed extreme hyper. numbers. I stopped seeing the Chinese

doctor and taking seaweed and my TSH soon dropped to hypo. levels.

There is no way of knowing what, if any, damage I did to my

thyroid. I know this is a common chinese way of treating thyroid

disorders, but it wasn't for me.

Also read one of Shoman's articles about a study that involved

patients with Hashimoto's. They treated people with low levels of

T4 for a year and a certain percentage of them recovered and didn't

need further treatment. Forgot the percentage.

> I wanted to post here about Iodine. I have learned a lot recently

> form Werner & Ingbar's " The Thyroid " Most people with

hypothyroidism

> and hyperthryoidism have some type of auto-immune dysfunction. In

> the majority of cases they have auto-antibodies attacking some

part

> of the thyroid. A certain number of these people have auto-

> antibodies that attack the part of the tyroid that is responsible

> for placing the Iodine on the tyrosine rings. For some reason this

> part of the thyroid is most susceptible to an auto-immune response

> and dysfunction. In these people, taking iodine will result in

> damage to the thyroid and possibly a crashing auto-immune flare-up

> or hyperthyroid flare. What happens if you are one of those people

> and you take iodine is that the thyroid takes it up and puts it in

a

> certain area for storage to add to the tyrosine rings. The thyroid

> is an Iodine storage unit. Once the iodine gets there, it triggers

> auto-immune antibodies which attack that part of the thyroid and

> cause damage to cells and the release of oxidative byproducts.

These

> byproducts damage the thyroid furhter and result in the production

> of strong iodine salts that also damage the thyroid. So, if you

are

> one of those people who have iodine triggered auto-immune thyroid

> disease, you need to stay away from excess iodine or you will

> accelerate the damege of your thyroid, which you need to make up

the

> rest of the thyroid hormone that you require above the amount of

> pills you are taking unless you are taking over 4-1/2 grains and

> totally supressing your thyroid.

>

> Extra iodine can also be held in the cells in the body by other

> proteins, which can trigger the same auto-immune response in the

> rest of the body and this is why some people feel terrible if they

> take extra iodine. It's like your body thinks you are full of

poison

> and goes on the offensive. (I'm one of those)

>

> So, though Iodine is actually very benificial for about 80% of all

> people, for about 20% it can be disasterous. Much of this out of

> control response has to do with genetics. There is a certain

> proportion of the population with a susceptibility to auto-immune

> responses to excess iodine.

>

> The most interesting thing I read in Werner & Ingbar's was that

> about 11% of Hashimotos patients who go on suppressive thryoid

> treatment for 6 to 8 years can be cured. If it is caught early and

> thryoid treatment started, the body's immune system eventually

> forgets the code to attack the thyroid and atibodies against the

> thyroid are all dead and gone. These people can go off hormone and

> live healthy lives. Doctors decided not to try this on patients

> after 6-8 years because 89% weren't cured and it made them suffer.

> This both tells me that the thyroid is not weakened by taking

> hormone for a long time and that the thyroid can return to heath

> when damaged.

>

> Tish

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone....been a very long long time since I've posted. It has been quite the crazy summer for me. But I just had to let you know how I am doing since seeing my doc in June. I am now on iodine...three drops per day. I am feeling really good and it seems as if I will be able to drop the dosage of my armour slowly as I am now absorbing the T3 that my body was constantly needing more of.

Doc explained that not all people are iodine deficient...but I am . It becomes clear to him by percentages between my T4 and my T3. I can't explain all that he does....he uses a calculator and likes to see the two within a 20% range...percent wise. Mine were 150% difference!! My T3's were astronomical compared to my T4. (most docs would have automatically called me hyper HA!) But Doc knows what he is doing and knows that shows that my body isn't absorbing all of the T3 I am taking in...iodine helps me to do that.

Myself, and both daughters have been taking the iodine and doing well also. Their blood workup showed they were iodine deficient too. (Like Mother like daughter(s) LOL

Anyway...I've seen such an improvement in my 8 yr old. When I talked with the doc about her over the phone he nailed her personality/quirks to a tee. I almost fell over. He said she sounds iodine deficient. So when I went to his office ... sure enough she is. Both daughters are on iodine drops and DSF herbal.

I am currently on 450 mgs of Armour a day along with 3 drops of SSKI and 3 DSF herbals a day (for my adrenals) I am feeling quite well and am looking forward to dropping that armour dose soon.

So...Iodine is not bad for all. At first I would always feel my thyroid "squeezing", that is normal...as it is going back to it's norm. But just so y'all know I don't have hashi's. I have no increased antibodies whatsoever...I am just a plain hypo who wanted her hair to grow normally again (and it is, thanks to the DSF) and I wanted to not have to continually increase my dosage of Armour.

It has been a very hectic stressful summer for me and even under all of that....I am feeling well. Usually stress would land me in the bed for days.

I have missed y'all and I hope that I've helped in some way. I understand that iodine isn't good for hashi's...but for us plain old hypo's with iodine deficiency...we need it. The thyroid runs on iodine and needs it badly under these circumstances.

Hugs to all.....Patti Sue lkwetter wrote:

I wanted to post here about Iodine. I have learned a lot recently form Werner & Ingbar's "The Thyroid" Most people with hypothyroidism and hyperthryoidism have some type of auto-immune dysfunction. In the majority of cases they have auto-antibodies attacking some part of the thyroid. A certain number of these people have auto-antibodies that attack the part of the tyroid that is responsible for placing the Iodine on the tyrosine rings. For some reason this part of the thyroid is most susceptible to an auto-immune response and dysfunction. In these people, taking iodine will result in damage to the thyroid and possibly a crashing auto-immune flare-up or hyperthyroid flare. What happens if you are one of those people and you take iodine is that the thyroid takes it up and puts it in a certain area for storage to add to the tyrosine

rings. The thyroid is an Iodine storage unit. Once the iodine gets there, it triggers auto-immune antibodies which attack that part of the thyroid and cause damage to cells and the release of oxidative byproducts. These byproducts damage the thyroid furhter and result in the production of strong iodine salts that also damage the thyroid. So, if you are one of those people who have iodine triggered auto-immune thyroid disease, you need to stay away from excess iodine or you will accelerate the damege of your thyroid, which you need to make up the rest of the thyroid hormone that you require above the amount of pills you are taking unless you are taking over 4-1/2 grains and totally supressing your thyroid.Extra iodine can also be held in the cells in the body by other proteins, which can trigger the same auto-immune response in the rest of the body and this is why some people feel terrible if they take extra iodine. It's

like your body thinks you are full of poison and goes on the offensive. (I'm one of those)So, though Iodine is actually very benificial for about 80% of all people, for about 20% it can be disasterous. Much of this out of control response has to do with genetics. There is a certain proportion of the population with a susceptibility to auto-immune responses to excess iodine.The most interesting thing I read in Werner & Ingbar's was that about 11% of Hashimotos patients who go on suppressive thryoid treatment for 6 to 8 years can be cured. If it is caught early and thryoid treatment started, the body's immune system eventually forgets the code to attack the thyroid and atibodies against the thyroid are all dead and gone. These people can go off hormone and live healthy lives. Doctors decided not to try this on patients after 6-8 years because 89% weren't cured and it made them suffer. This both tells me that the

thyroid is not weakened by taking hormone for a long time and that the thyroid can return to heath when damaged.Tish__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone....been a very long long time since I've posted. It has been quite the crazy summer for me. But I just had to let you know how I am doing since seeing my doc in June. I am now on iodine...three drops per day. I am feeling really good and it seems as if I will be able to drop the dosage of my armour slowly as I am now absorbing the T3 that my body was constantly needing more of.

Doc explained that not all people are iodine deficient...but I am . It becomes clear to him by percentages between my T4 and my T3. I can't explain all that he does....he uses a calculator and likes to see the two within a 20% range...percent wise. Mine were 150% difference!! My T3's were astronomical compared to my T4. (most docs would have automatically called me hyper HA!) But Doc knows what he is doing and knows that shows that my body isn't absorbing all of the T3 I am taking in...iodine helps me to do that.

Myself, and both daughters have been taking the iodine and doing well also. Their blood workup showed they were iodine deficient too. (Like Mother like daughter(s) LOL

Anyway...I've seen such an improvement in my 8 yr old. When I talked with the doc about her over the phone he nailed her personality/quirks to a tee. I almost fell over. He said she sounds iodine deficient. So when I went to his office ... sure enough she is. Both daughters are on iodine drops and DSF herbal.

I am currently on 450 mgs of Armour a day along with 3 drops of SSKI and 3 DSF herbals a day (for my adrenals) I am feeling quite well and am looking forward to dropping that armour dose soon.

So...Iodine is not bad for all. At first I would always feel my thyroid "squeezing", that is normal...as it is going back to it's norm. But just so y'all know I don't have hashi's. I have no increased antibodies whatsoever...I am just a plain hypo who wanted her hair to grow normally again (and it is, thanks to the DSF) and I wanted to not have to continually increase my dosage of Armour.

It has been a very hectic stressful summer for me and even under all of that....I am feeling well. Usually stress would land me in the bed for days.

I have missed y'all and I hope that I've helped in some way. I understand that iodine isn't good for hashi's...but for us plain old hypo's with iodine deficiency...we need it. The thyroid runs on iodine and needs it badly under these circumstances.

Hugs to all.....Patti Sue lkwetter wrote:

I wanted to post here about Iodine. I have learned a lot recently form Werner & Ingbar's "The Thyroid" Most people with hypothyroidism and hyperthryoidism have some type of auto-immune dysfunction. In the majority of cases they have auto-antibodies attacking some part of the thyroid. A certain number of these people have auto-antibodies that attack the part of the tyroid that is responsible for placing the Iodine on the tyrosine rings. For some reason this part of the thyroid is most susceptible to an auto-immune response and dysfunction. In these people, taking iodine will result in damage to the thyroid and possibly a crashing auto-immune flare-up or hyperthyroid flare. What happens if you are one of those people and you take iodine is that the thyroid takes it up and puts it in a certain area for storage to add to the tyrosine

rings. The thyroid is an Iodine storage unit. Once the iodine gets there, it triggers auto-immune antibodies which attack that part of the thyroid and cause damage to cells and the release of oxidative byproducts. These byproducts damage the thyroid furhter and result in the production of strong iodine salts that also damage the thyroid. So, if you are one of those people who have iodine triggered auto-immune thyroid disease, you need to stay away from excess iodine or you will accelerate the damege of your thyroid, which you need to make up the rest of the thyroid hormone that you require above the amount of pills you are taking unless you are taking over 4-1/2 grains and totally supressing your thyroid.Extra iodine can also be held in the cells in the body by other proteins, which can trigger the same auto-immune response in the rest of the body and this is why some people feel terrible if they take extra iodine. It's

like your body thinks you are full of poison and goes on the offensive. (I'm one of those)So, though Iodine is actually very benificial for about 80% of all people, for about 20% it can be disasterous. Much of this out of control response has to do with genetics. There is a certain proportion of the population with a susceptibility to auto-immune responses to excess iodine.The most interesting thing I read in Werner & Ingbar's was that about 11% of Hashimotos patients who go on suppressive thryoid treatment for 6 to 8 years can be cured. If it is caught early and thryoid treatment started, the body's immune system eventually forgets the code to attack the thyroid and atibodies against the thyroid are all dead and gone. These people can go off hormone and live healthy lives. Doctors decided not to try this on patients after 6-8 years because 89% weren't cured and it made them suffer. This both tells me that the

thyroid is not weakened by taking hormone for a long time and that the thyroid can return to heath when damaged.Tish__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone....been a very long long time since I've posted. It has been quite the crazy summer for me. But I just had to let you know how I am doing since seeing my doc in June. I am now on iodine...three drops per day. I am feeling really good and it seems as if I will be able to drop the dosage of my armour slowly as I am now absorbing the T3 that my body was constantly needing more of.

Doc explained that not all people are iodine deficient...but I am . It becomes clear to him by percentages between my T4 and my T3. I can't explain all that he does....he uses a calculator and likes to see the two within a 20% range...percent wise. Mine were 150% difference!! My T3's were astronomical compared to my T4. (most docs would have automatically called me hyper HA!) But Doc knows what he is doing and knows that shows that my body isn't absorbing all of the T3 I am taking in...iodine helps me to do that.

Myself, and both daughters have been taking the iodine and doing well also. Their blood workup showed they were iodine deficient too. (Like Mother like daughter(s) LOL

Anyway...I've seen such an improvement in my 8 yr old. When I talked with the doc about her over the phone he nailed her personality/quirks to a tee. I almost fell over. He said she sounds iodine deficient. So when I went to his office ... sure enough she is. Both daughters are on iodine drops and DSF herbal.

I am currently on 450 mgs of Armour a day along with 3 drops of SSKI and 3 DSF herbals a day (for my adrenals) I am feeling quite well and am looking forward to dropping that armour dose soon.

So...Iodine is not bad for all. At first I would always feel my thyroid "squeezing", that is normal...as it is going back to it's norm. But just so y'all know I don't have hashi's. I have no increased antibodies whatsoever...I am just a plain hypo who wanted her hair to grow normally again (and it is, thanks to the DSF) and I wanted to not have to continually increase my dosage of Armour.

It has been a very hectic stressful summer for me and even under all of that....I am feeling well. Usually stress would land me in the bed for days.

I have missed y'all and I hope that I've helped in some way. I understand that iodine isn't good for hashi's...but for us plain old hypo's with iodine deficiency...we need it. The thyroid runs on iodine and needs it badly under these circumstances.

Hugs to all.....Patti Sue lkwetter wrote:

I wanted to post here about Iodine. I have learned a lot recently form Werner & Ingbar's "The Thyroid" Most people with hypothyroidism and hyperthryoidism have some type of auto-immune dysfunction. In the majority of cases they have auto-antibodies attacking some part of the thyroid. A certain number of these people have auto-antibodies that attack the part of the tyroid that is responsible for placing the Iodine on the tyrosine rings. For some reason this part of the thyroid is most susceptible to an auto-immune response and dysfunction. In these people, taking iodine will result in damage to the thyroid and possibly a crashing auto-immune flare-up or hyperthyroid flare. What happens if you are one of those people and you take iodine is that the thyroid takes it up and puts it in a certain area for storage to add to the tyrosine

rings. The thyroid is an Iodine storage unit. Once the iodine gets there, it triggers auto-immune antibodies which attack that part of the thyroid and cause damage to cells and the release of oxidative byproducts. These byproducts damage the thyroid furhter and result in the production of strong iodine salts that also damage the thyroid. So, if you are one of those people who have iodine triggered auto-immune thyroid disease, you need to stay away from excess iodine or you will accelerate the damege of your thyroid, which you need to make up the rest of the thyroid hormone that you require above the amount of pills you are taking unless you are taking over 4-1/2 grains and totally supressing your thyroid.Extra iodine can also be held in the cells in the body by other proteins, which can trigger the same auto-immune response in the rest of the body and this is why some people feel terrible if they take extra iodine. It's

like your body thinks you are full of poison and goes on the offensive. (I'm one of those)So, though Iodine is actually very benificial for about 80% of all people, for about 20% it can be disasterous. Much of this out of control response has to do with genetics. There is a certain proportion of the population with a susceptibility to auto-immune responses to excess iodine.The most interesting thing I read in Werner & Ingbar's was that about 11% of Hashimotos patients who go on suppressive thryoid treatment for 6 to 8 years can be cured. If it is caught early and thryoid treatment started, the body's immune system eventually forgets the code to attack the thyroid and atibodies against the thyroid are all dead and gone. These people can go off hormone and live healthy lives. Doctors decided not to try this on patients after 6-8 years because 89% weren't cured and it made them suffer. This both tells me that the

thyroid is not weakened by taking hormone for a long time and that the thyroid can return to heath when damaged.Tish__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Patti Sue,

May I ask what your daughter's quirks were that triggered his response? And what tests are done to check for iodine deficiency?

Thanks,

Shelli

Anyway...I've seen such an improvement in my 8 yr old. When I talked with the doc about her over the phone he nailed her personality/quirks to a tee. I almost fell over. He said she sounds iodine deficient.

[Guest guest]

Patti Sue,

May I ask what your daughter's quirks were that triggered his response? And what tests are done to check for iodine deficiency?

Thanks,

Shelli

Anyway...I've seen such an improvement in my 8 yr old. When I talked with the doc about her over the phone he nailed her personality/quirks to a tee. I almost fell over. He said she sounds iodine deficient.

[Guest guest]

Patti Sue,

May I ask what your daughter's quirks were that triggered his response? And what tests are done to check for iodine deficiency?

Thanks,

Shelli

Anyway...I've seen such an improvement in my 8 yr old. When I talked with the doc about her over the phone he nailed her personality/quirks to a tee. I almost fell over. He said she sounds iodine deficient.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info Patti, I was wondering where you were off to!! hehehehehe

Here's another testimonial to the NEED to find the cause for being hypo OR hyper.... once you know the true reason then you can use the correct meds/supplements/etc to fit your circumstance.

Patti's doc spotted the high T3 as compared to the lower T4... and saw that antibodies were not the issue.. and dug further... he is a GOOD doc.

Note, too, that he took the correct tests to get that info.. if he'd only been checking TSH and nothing else... Patti wouldn't be quite so perky right now, me thinks!

Topper ()

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Patti Labellarte writes:

Hi Everyone....been a very long long time since I've posted. It has been quite the crazy summer for me. But I just had to let you know how I am doing since seeing my doc in June. I am now on iodine...three drops per day. I am feeling really good and it seems as if I will be able to drop the dosage of my armour slowly as I am now absorbing the T3 that my body was constantly needing more of.

Doc explained that not all people are iodine deficient...but I am . It becomes clear to him by percentages between my T4 and my T3. I can't explain all that he does....he uses a calculator and likes to see the two within a 20% range...percent wise. Mine were 150% difference!! My T3's were astronomical compared to my T4. (most docs would have automatically called me hyper HA!) But Doc knows what he is doing and knows that shows that my body isn't absorbing all of the T3 I am taking in...iodine helps me to do that.

Myself, and both daughters have been taking the iodine and doing well also. Their blood workup showed they were iodine deficient too. (Like Mother like daughter(s) LOL

Anyway...I've seen such an improvement in my 8 yr old. When I talked with the doc about her over the phone he nailed her personality/quirks to a tee. I almost fell over. He said she sounds iodine deficient. So when I went to his office ... sure enough she is. Both daughters are on iodine drops and DSF herbal.

I am currently on 450 mgs of Armour a day along with 3 drops of SSKI and 3 DSF herbals a day (for my adrenals) I am feeling quite well and am looking forward to dropping that armour dose soon.

So...Iodine is not bad for all. At first I would always feel my thyroid "squeezing", that is normal...as it is going back to it's norm. But just so y'all know I don't have hashi's. I have no increased antibodies whatsoever...I am just a plain hypo who wanted her hair to grow normally again (and it is, thanks to the DSF) and I wanted to not have to continually increase my dosage of Armour.

It has been a very hectic stressful summer for me and even under all of that....I am feeling well. Usually stress would land me in the bed for days.

I have missed y'all and I hope that I've helped in some way. I understand that iodine isn't good for hashi's...but for us plain old hypo's with iodine deficiency...we need it. The thyroid runs on iodine and needs it badly under these circumstances.

Hugs to all.....Patti Sue

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info Patti, I was wondering where you were off to!! hehehehehe

Here's another testimonial to the NEED to find the cause for being hypo OR hyper.... once you know the true reason then you can use the correct meds/supplements/etc to fit your circumstance.

Patti's doc spotted the high T3 as compared to the lower T4... and saw that antibodies were not the issue.. and dug further... he is a GOOD doc.

Note, too, that he took the correct tests to get that info.. if he'd only been checking TSH and nothing else... Patti wouldn't be quite so perky right now, me thinks!

Topper ()

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Patti Labellarte writes:

Hi Everyone....been a very long long time since I've posted. It has been quite the crazy summer for me. But I just had to let you know how I am doing since seeing my doc in June. I am now on iodine...three drops per day. I am feeling really good and it seems as if I will be able to drop the dosage of my armour slowly as I am now absorbing the T3 that my body was constantly needing more of.

Doc explained that not all people are iodine deficient...but I am . It becomes clear to him by percentages between my T4 and my T3. I can't explain all that he does....he uses a calculator and likes to see the two within a 20% range...percent wise. Mine were 150% difference!! My T3's were astronomical compared to my T4. (most docs would have automatically called me hyper HA!) But Doc knows what he is doing and knows that shows that my body isn't absorbing all of the T3 I am taking in...iodine helps me to do that.

Myself, and both daughters have been taking the iodine and doing well also. Their blood workup showed they were iodine deficient too. (Like Mother like daughter(s) LOL

Anyway...I've seen such an improvement in my 8 yr old. When I talked with the doc about her over the phone he nailed her personality/quirks to a tee. I almost fell over. He said she sounds iodine deficient. So when I went to his office ... sure enough she is. Both daughters are on iodine drops and DSF herbal.

I am currently on 450 mgs of Armour a day along with 3 drops of SSKI and 3 DSF herbals a day (for my adrenals) I am feeling quite well and am looking forward to dropping that armour dose soon.

So...Iodine is not bad for all. At first I would always feel my thyroid "squeezing", that is normal...as it is going back to it's norm. But just so y'all know I don't have hashi's. I have no increased antibodies whatsoever...I am just a plain hypo who wanted her hair to grow normally again (and it is, thanks to the DSF) and I wanted to not have to continually increase my dosage of Armour.

It has been a very hectic stressful summer for me and even under all of that....I am feeling well. Usually stress would land me in the bed for days.

I have missed y'all and I hope that I've helped in some way. I understand that iodine isn't good for hashi's...but for us plain old hypo's with iodine deficiency...we need it. The thyroid runs on iodine and needs it badly under these circumstances.

Hugs to all.....Patti Sue

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info Patti, I was wondering where you were off to!! hehehehehe

Here's another testimonial to the NEED to find the cause for being hypo OR hyper.... once you know the true reason then you can use the correct meds/supplements/etc to fit your circumstance.

Patti's doc spotted the high T3 as compared to the lower T4... and saw that antibodies were not the issue.. and dug further... he is a GOOD doc.

Note, too, that he took the correct tests to get that info.. if he'd only been checking TSH and nothing else... Patti wouldn't be quite so perky right now, me thinks!

Topper ()

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Patti Labellarte writes:

Hi Everyone....been a very long long time since I've posted. It has been quite the crazy summer for me. But I just had to let you know how I am doing since seeing my doc in June. I am now on iodine...three drops per day. I am feeling really good and it seems as if I will be able to drop the dosage of my armour slowly as I am now absorbing the T3 that my body was constantly needing more of.

Doc explained that not all people are iodine deficient...but I am . It becomes clear to him by percentages between my T4 and my T3. I can't explain all that he does....he uses a calculator and likes to see the two within a 20% range...percent wise. Mine were 150% difference!! My T3's were astronomical compared to my T4. (most docs would have automatically called me hyper HA!) But Doc knows what he is doing and knows that shows that my body isn't absorbing all of the T3 I am taking in...iodine helps me to do that.

Myself, and both daughters have been taking the iodine and doing well also. Their blood workup showed they were iodine deficient too. (Like Mother like daughter(s) LOL

Anyway...I've seen such an improvement in my 8 yr old. When I talked with the doc about her over the phone he nailed her personality/quirks to a tee. I almost fell over. He said she sounds iodine deficient. So when I went to his office ... sure enough she is. Both daughters are on iodine drops and DSF herbal.

I am currently on 450 mgs of Armour a day along with 3 drops of SSKI and 3 DSF herbals a day (for my adrenals) I am feeling quite well and am looking forward to dropping that armour dose soon.

So...Iodine is not bad for all. At first I would always feel my thyroid "squeezing", that is normal...as it is going back to it's norm. But just so y'all know I don't have hashi's. I have no increased antibodies whatsoever...I am just a plain hypo who wanted her hair to grow normally again (and it is, thanks to the DSF) and I wanted to not have to continually increase my dosage of Armour.

It has been a very hectic stressful summer for me and even under all of that....I am feeling well. Usually stress would land me in the bed for days.

I have missed y'all and I hope that I've helped in some way. I understand that iodine isn't good for hashi's...but for us plain old hypo's with iodine deficiency...we need it. The thyroid runs on iodine and needs it badly under these circumstances.

Hugs to all.....Patti Sue

[Guest guest]

Patti... if he'd be willing to share that formula.. I think it might help out a few folks.... It's something that I've not heard of before.. but is does seem to make sense.

Topper ()

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Patti Labellarte writes:

Hi Shelli, I would be happy to tell ya !! Since about the age of 4 she has been afraid of EVERYTHING...I mean from small to big, jumpy, edgey, easily scared/spooked. These reactions to say the least in all cases were ridiculous. She was and still is underweight, very skinny, and tired all the time. Would go for days without having an appetite, then would eat the house up. But not gain a pound. Her docs always yelled at me because she didn't make the growth chart until she turned about 7!!

She would work herself up to badly I would think her heart was pounding out of her chest.

Doc Milton immediately closed in on iodine deficiency...I am not quite sure what made him come to that decision....I guess I should ask him.

He takes the Free T3/T3 and T4 blood work up and uses a formula to get them to a percentage (I am illiterate in math, and even though he tried to show me...he lost me) But he compares them and wants to see a 20% difference at the most. If the T3's are higher it is automatically iodine deficiency.

I plan on learning more from him about both of these so I can be more helpful to others. He always looks at antibodies first. In all three of our cases our antibodies were fine.

When I call him I will ask him to send me the info....I'd like to know what higher T4's mean.

I hope I've helped you and answered your question....

Hugs...PattiSue

[Guest guest]

Patti... if he'd be willing to share that formula.. I think it might help out a few folks.... It's something that I've not heard of before.. but is does seem to make sense.

Topper ()

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Patti Labellarte writes:

Hi Shelli, I would be happy to tell ya !! Since about the age of 4 she has been afraid of EVERYTHING...I mean from small to big, jumpy, edgey, easily scared/spooked. These reactions to say the least in all cases were ridiculous. She was and still is underweight, very skinny, and tired all the time. Would go for days without having an appetite, then would eat the house up. But not gain a pound. Her docs always yelled at me because she didn't make the growth chart until she turned about 7!!

She would work herself up to badly I would think her heart was pounding out of her chest.

Doc Milton immediately closed in on iodine deficiency...I am not quite sure what made him come to that decision....I guess I should ask him.

He takes the Free T3/T3 and T4 blood work up and uses a formula to get them to a percentage (I am illiterate in math, and even though he tried to show me...he lost me) But he compares them and wants to see a 20% difference at the most. If the T3's are higher it is automatically iodine deficiency.

I plan on learning more from him about both of these so I can be more helpful to others. He always looks at antibodies first. In all three of our cases our antibodies were fine.

When I call him I will ask him to send me the info....I'd like to know what higher T4's mean.

I hope I've helped you and answered your question....

Hugs...PattiSue

[Guest guest]

Patti... if he'd be willing to share that formula.. I think it might help out a few folks.... It's something that I've not heard of before.. but is does seem to make sense.

Topper ()

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Patti Labellarte writes:

Hi Shelli, I would be happy to tell ya !! Since about the age of 4 she has been afraid of EVERYTHING...I mean from small to big, jumpy, edgey, easily scared/spooked. These reactions to say the least in all cases were ridiculous. She was and still is underweight, very skinny, and tired all the time. Would go for days without having an appetite, then would eat the house up. But not gain a pound. Her docs always yelled at me because she didn't make the growth chart until she turned about 7!!

She would work herself up to badly I would think her heart was pounding out of her chest.

Doc Milton immediately closed in on iodine deficiency...I am not quite sure what made him come to that decision....I guess I should ask him.

He takes the Free T3/T3 and T4 blood work up and uses a formula to get them to a percentage (I am illiterate in math, and even though he tried to show me...he lost me) But he compares them and wants to see a 20% difference at the most. If the T3's are higher it is automatically iodine deficiency.

I plan on learning more from him about both of these so I can be more helpful to others. He always looks at antibodies first. In all three of our cases our antibodies were fine.

When I call him I will ask him to send me the info....I'd like to know what higher T4's mean.

I hope I've helped you and answered your question....

Hugs...PattiSue

[Guest guest]

do you mind if I post this stuff about iodine on the CA site?

Iodine--The good and the very bad

I wanted to post here about Iodine. I have learned a lot recently form Werner & Ingbar's "The Thyroid" Most people with hypothyroidism and hyperthryoidism have some type of auto-immune dysfunction. In the majority of cases they have auto-antibodies attacking some part of the thyroid. A certain number of these people have auto-antibodies that attack the part of the tyroid that is responsible for placing the Iodine on the tyrosine rings. For some reason this part of the thyroid is most susceptible to an auto-immune response and dysfunction. In these people, taking iodine will result in damage to the thyroid and possibly a crashing auto-immune flare-up or hyperthyroid flare. What happens if you are one of those people and you take iodine is that the thyroid takes it up and puts it in a certain area for storage to add to the tyrosine rings. The thyroid is an Iodine storage unit. Once the iodine gets there, it triggers auto-immune antibodies which attack that part of the thyroid and cause damage to cells and the release of oxidative byproducts. These byproducts damage the thyroid furhter and result in the production of strong iodine salts that also damage the thyroid. So, if you are one of those people who have iodine triggered auto-immune thyroid disease, you need to stay away from excess iodine or you will accelerate the damege of your thyroid, which you need to make up the rest of the thyroid hormone that you require above the amount of pills you are taking unless you are taking over 4-1/2 grains and totally supressing your thyroid.Extra iodine can also be held in the cells in the body by other proteins, which can trigger the same auto-immune response in the rest of the body and this is why some people feel terrible if they take extra iodine. It's like your body thinks you are full of poison and goes on the offensive. (I'm one of those)So, though Iodine is actually very benificial for about 80% of all people, for about 20% it can be disasterous. Much of this out of control response has to do with genetics. There is a certain proportion of the population with a susceptibility to auto-immune responses to excess iodine.The most interesting thing I read in Werner & Ingbar's was that about 11% of Hashimotos patients who go on suppressive thryoid treatment for 6 to 8 years can be cured. If it is caught early and thryoid treatment started, the body's immune system eventually forgets the code to attack the thyroid and atibodies against the thyroid are all dead and gone. These people can go off hormone and live healthy lives. Doctors decided not to try this on patients after 6-8 years because 89% weren't cured and it made them suffer. This both tells me that the thyroid is not weakened by taking hormone for a long time and that the thyroid can return to heath when damaged.Tish

[Guest guest]

do you mind if I post this stuff about iodine on the CA site?

Iodine--The good and the very bad

I wanted to post here about Iodine. I have learned a lot recently form Werner & Ingbar's "The Thyroid" Most people with hypothyroidism and hyperthryoidism have some type of auto-immune dysfunction. In the majority of cases they have auto-antibodies attacking some part of the thyroid. A certain number of these people have auto-antibodies that attack the part of the tyroid that is responsible for placing the Iodine on the tyrosine rings. For some reason this part of the thyroid is most susceptible to an auto-immune response and dysfunction. In these people, taking iodine will result in damage to the thyroid and possibly a crashing auto-immune flare-up or hyperthyroid flare. What happens if you are one of those people and you take iodine is that the thyroid takes it up and puts it in a certain area for storage to add to the tyrosine rings. The thyroid is an Iodine storage unit. Once the iodine gets there, it triggers auto-immune antibodies which attack that part of the thyroid and cause damage to cells and the release of oxidative byproducts. These byproducts damage the thyroid furhter and result in the production of strong iodine salts that also damage the thyroid. So, if you are one of those people who have iodine triggered auto-immune thyroid disease, you need to stay away from excess iodine or you will accelerate the damege of your thyroid, which you need to make up the rest of the thyroid hormone that you require above the amount of pills you are taking unless you are taking over 4-1/2 grains and totally supressing your thyroid.Extra iodine can also be held in the cells in the body by other proteins, which can trigger the same auto-immune response in the rest of the body and this is why some people feel terrible if they take extra iodine. It's like your body thinks you are full of poison and goes on the offensive. (I'm one of those)So, though Iodine is actually very benificial for about 80% of all people, for about 20% it can be disasterous. Much of this out of control response has to do with genetics. There is a certain proportion of the population with a susceptibility to auto-immune responses to excess iodine.The most interesting thing I read in Werner & Ingbar's was that about 11% of Hashimotos patients who go on suppressive thryoid treatment for 6 to 8 years can be cured. If it is caught early and thryoid treatment started, the body's immune system eventually forgets the code to attack the thyroid and atibodies against the thyroid are all dead and gone. These people can go off hormone and live healthy lives. Doctors decided not to try this on patients after 6-8 years because 89% weren't cured and it made them suffer. This both tells me that the thyroid is not weakened by taking hormone for a long time and that the thyroid can return to heath when damaged.Tish

[Guest guest]

Patti!!!!

So good to see our back! I am calling tomorrow to confirm my appointment with Doc Milton. Can't wait to see him!

Blessings,

Debibe K.

-----Original Message-----From: Patti Labellarte Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 11:04 AMTo: The_Thyroid_Support_Group Subject: Re: Iodine--The good and the very bad

Hi Everyone....been a very long long time since I've posted. It has been quite the crazy summer for me. But I just had to let you know how I am doing since seeing my doc in June. I am now on iodine...three drops per day. I am feeling really

[Guest guest]

Patti!!!!

So good to see our back! I am calling tomorrow to confirm my appointment with Doc Milton. Can't wait to see him!

Blessings,

Debibe K.

-----Original Message-----From: Patti Labellarte Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 11:04 AMTo: The_Thyroid_Support_Group Subject: Re: Iodine--The good and the very bad

Hi Everyone....been a very long long time since I've posted. It has been quite the crazy summer for me. But I just had to let you know how I am doing since seeing my doc in June. I am now on iodine...three drops per day. I am feeling really

[Guest guest]

Patti!!!!

So good to see our back! I am calling tomorrow to confirm my appointment with Doc Milton. Can't wait to see him!

Blessings,

Debibe K.

-----Original Message-----From: Patti Labellarte Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 11:04 AMTo: The_Thyroid_Support_Group Subject: Re: Iodine--The good and the very bad

Hi Everyone....been a very long long time since I've posted. It has been quite the crazy summer for me. But I just had to let you know how I am doing since seeing my doc in June. I am now on iodine...three drops per day. I am feeling really

[Guest guest]

I'm really wondering about that formula, too, because my Free T3 is higher. However, I AM a Hashi's, but since I went to Armour, my Free T3 is over and above, with Free T4 barely into the upper range. Any application here? I'd like to know because I haven't heard of this. I will research this also.

Re: Iodine--The good and the very bad

Hi Shelli, I would be happy to tell ya !! Since about the age of 4 she has been afraid of EVERYTHING...I mean from small to big, jumpy, edgey, easily scared/spooked. These reactions to say the least in all cases were ridiculous. She was and still is underweight, very skinny, and tired all the time. Would go for days without having an appetite, then would eat the house up. But not gain a pound. Her docs always yelled at me because she didn't make the growth chart until she turned about 7!!

She would work herself up to badly I would think her heart was pounding out of her chest.

Doc Milton immediately closed in on iodine deficiency...I am not quite sure what made him come to that decision....I guess I should ask him.

He takes the Free T3/T3 and T4 blood work up and uses a formula to get them to a percentage (I am illiterate in math, and even though he tried to show me...he lost me) But he compares them and wants to see a 20% difference at the most. If the T3's are higher it is automatically iodine deficiency.

I plan on learning more from him about both of these so I can be more helpful to others. He always looks at antibodies first. In all three of our cases our antibodies were fine.

When I call him I will ask him to send me the info....I'd like to know what higher T4's mean.

I hope I've helped you and answered your question....

Hugs...PattiSue

[Guest guest]

May I please post this to and place in the " Files " area for the

Arizona Thyroid Groups?

Pretty

please?

Dianne

At 03:21 PM 8/8/04, you wrote:

do you mind if I post this stuff about iodine on the CA site?

Iodine--The good and the very bad

I wanted to post here about Iodine. I have learned a lot recently

form Werner & Ingbar's " The Thyroid " Most people with hypothyroidism

and hyperthryoidism have some type of auto-immune dysfunction. In

the majority of cases they have auto-antibodies attacking some part

of the thyroid. A certain number of these people have auto-

antibodies that attack the part of the tyroid that is responsible

for placing the Iodine on the tyrosine rings. For some reason this

part of the thyroid is most susceptible to an auto-immune response

and dysfunction. In these people, taking iodine will result in

damage to the thyroid and possibly a crashing auto-immune flare-up

or hyperthyroid flare. What happens if you are one of those people

and you take iodine is that the thyroid takes it up and puts it in a

certain area for storage to add to the tyrosine rings. The thyroid

is an Iodine storage unit. Once the iodine gets there, it triggers

auto-immune antibodies which attack that part of the thyroid and

cause damage to cells and the release of oxidative byproducts. These

byproducts damage the thyroid furhter and result in the production

of strong iodine salts that also damage the thyroid. So, if you are

one of those people who have iodine triggered auto-immune thyroid

disease, you need to stay away from excess iodine or you will

accelerate the damege of your thyroid, which you need to make up the

rest of the thyroid hormone that you require above the amount of

pills you are taking unless you are taking over 4-1/2 grains and

totally supressing your thyroid.

Extra iodine can also be held in the cells in the body by other

proteins, which can trigger the same auto-immune response in the

rest of the body and this is why some people feel terrible if they

take extra iodine. It's like your body thinks you are full of poison

and goes on the offensive. (I'm one of those)

So, though Iodine is actually very benificial for about 80% of all

people, for about 20% it can be disasterous. Much of this out of

control response has to do with genetics. There is a certain

proportion of the population with a susceptibility to auto-immune

responses to excess iodine.

The most interesting thing I read in Werner & Ingbar's was that

about 11% of Hashimotos patients who go on suppressive thryoid

treatment for 6 to 8 years can be cured. If it is caught early and

thryoid treatment started, the body's immune system eventually

forgets the code to attack the thyroid and atibodies against the

thyroid are all dead and gone. These people can go off hormone and

live healthy lives. Doctors decided not to try this on patients

after 6-8 years because 89% weren't cured and it made them suffer.

This both tells me that the thyroid is not weakened by taking

hormone for a long time and that the thyroid can return to heath

when damaged.

Tish