Re: Benefits of Coconut oil

[Guest guest]

Tish, on the subject of coconut oil.... I'm wondering... would there be any positive benefits from eating coconut, I mean cracking the shell and eating the flesh, not sweetened flaked coconut from a bag.

Has anyone priced whole coconuts lately? I've not even noticed them in the store...

Topper ()

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:30:33 -0000 "lkwetter" writes:

To add to this thread, I would like to say that Ray Peat and some researchers have noted that diabetics are also hypothyroid. The reason for this is because glucose is required inside the cell for the enzyme conversion of T4 to T3. Since a diabetic has difficulty getting glucose inside their cells, they automatically have impaired thyroid function.A good way to partially get around this problem is by using coconut oil. I mean natural non hydrogenated coconut oil, which some of the healthiest people in the world use. Coconut oil contains medium and short chain fatty acids. These medium and short chain fatty acids which can easily enter cells can be more easily converted to glucose. coconut oil is known to increase the metabolic rate and pigs fed coconut oil could not be fattened in one study. See: http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/diabetes.htm My personal experience with it is that one tablespoon heats me up for about an hour. I now use almost no other oil.Some new and innovative research is finding that diabetics actually improve on diets high in good fats. By good fats, I don't mean vegetable oils but natural fats that people ate before the 1940s. before the 1940s people ate very little vegetable oils and almost exclusively butter and animal fats. Today these fats are not so good because of how nodern meat animals are raised. However, if you buy organic, you will avoid most of this problem. Heart disease and diabetes were very rare before vegetable oils became a staple in ou diets. Commercial vegetable oils are actually damaging to cell wall structures and can contribute to diabetic problems. All studies done with diabetics and fat were done with vegetable oils. Vegetable oils are unstable and cause oxidative damage. Because they oxidize easily and become damaged fats, when taken into the body, they create damaged cell walls that don't function properly.http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/diabetes.htmlhttp://www.westonaprice.org/book_reviews/schwarzbein.htmlTish

[Guest guest]

I'm gonna have to see how they are price wise..... I'm getting interested in giving this a try... I do know that from our discussions about oils that today was probably the last time I did bread with vegie shortening... I'm gonna go back to using butter... I did years ago.. but cost concerns made me go back to shortening... Now I'm thinking that my health is more important.

My bread has gone through a few transformations in the last couple of years... adding eggs and milk to replace the water for the liquid... and adding herbs and such to increase other trace elements... and now back to butter.... I made burger buns today.. full size, something I've not done for quite some time, having switched to mini meals I also went to mini buns.... but there are times when I just want a full sized sandwich... and, well, I broke down and made a dozen of them... they freeze well and I'll have the option to grab one on occasion.

I do have to admit.. making a dozen big buns takes a lot less effort than making the 3 dozen mini buns that I've been making out of a single batch!

Topper ()

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:09:23 -0000 "lkwetter" writes:

I think fresh coconuts would be great for your health. The meat does contain carbohydrates. Coconut milk is supposed to be healing. Mercola thinks fresh coconuts are good, too (see below). I buy descicated (dried) coconut and use it in cooking. I have become hooked on coconut oil. I use it on my skin and hair. It is wonderful for frying and you don't have to feel guilty about it. It is a very stable oil is is not damaged much by heat. It makes the most wonderful fried chicken and homemade corn tortilla chips. They used to fry chips in coconut oil untill the seed oil industry began to fight it's use to get market share. It preserves foods fried in it and does not oxidize. It was used in the past because food stayed fresh when cooked with it.I order a gallon from Wilderness Family Naturals. It's expensive but I can't stand anything else except olive oil anymore. A gallon lasts months.___________________________http://www.mercola.com/2003/jan/18/raw_coconuts.htmArticle: Raw Coconuts: Good for Your Health, Ideal for Dieting________________Here is some other benificial properties info:____________________http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/coconut_oil2.htmlThe lauric acid in coconut oil is used by the body to make the same disease-fighting fatty acid derivative monolaurin that babies make from the lauric acid they get from their mothers= milk. The monoglyceride monolaurin is the substance that keeps infants from getting viral or bacterial or protozoal infections. Coconut oil is about 50 percent lauric acid______________________http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/coconuts1.htmlArticle: Health benifits of coconuts and coconut oil

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the links.

I am not usually convinced by the information on the Weston Price and

Mercola. However, the article in Nexus magazine has certainly piqued

my interest. Are there any more sources you can point out, such as

research, etc.?

What is the view on nut oils, such as peanut and walnut oils? Does

canned coconut milk have benefits similar to coconut oil? Is olive oil

considered beneficial as well?

blithe

___________________________

> http://www.mercola.com/2003/jan/18/raw_coconuts.htm

>

> Article: Raw Coconuts: Good for Your Health, Ideal for Dieting

> ________________

>

> Here is some other benificial properties info:

> ____________________

> http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/coconut_oil2.html

>

> The lauric acid in coconut oil is used by the body to make the same

> disease-fighting fatty acid derivative monolaurin that babies make

> from the lauric acid they get from their mothers= milk. The

> monoglyceride monolaurin is the substance that keeps infants from

> getting viral or bacterial or protozoal infections.

>

> Coconut oil is about 50 percent lauric acid

> ______________________

> http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/coconuts1.html

>

> Article: Health benifits of coconuts and coconut oil

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the links.

I am not usually convinced by the information on the Weston Price and

Mercola. However, the article in Nexus magazine has certainly piqued

my interest. Are there any more sources you can point out, such as

research, etc.?

What is the view on nut oils, such as peanut and walnut oils? Does

canned coconut milk have benefits similar to coconut oil? Is olive oil

considered beneficial as well?

blithe

___________________________

> http://www.mercola.com/2003/jan/18/raw_coconuts.htm

>

> Article: Raw Coconuts: Good for Your Health, Ideal for Dieting

> ________________

>

> Here is some other benificial properties info:

> ____________________

> http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/coconut_oil2.html

>

> The lauric acid in coconut oil is used by the body to make the same

> disease-fighting fatty acid derivative monolaurin that babies make

> from the lauric acid they get from their mothers= milk. The

> monoglyceride monolaurin is the substance that keeps infants from

> getting viral or bacterial or protozoal infections.

>

> Coconut oil is about 50 percent lauric acid

> ______________________

> http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/coconuts1.html

>

> Article: Health benifits of coconuts and coconut oil

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the links.

I am not usually convinced by the information on the Weston Price and

Mercola. However, the article in Nexus magazine has certainly piqued

my interest. Are there any more sources you can point out, such as

research, etc.?

What is the view on nut oils, such as peanut and walnut oils? Does

canned coconut milk have benefits similar to coconut oil? Is olive oil

considered beneficial as well?

blithe

___________________________

> http://www.mercola.com/2003/jan/18/raw_coconuts.htm

>

> Article: Raw Coconuts: Good for Your Health, Ideal for Dieting

> ________________

>

> Here is some other benificial properties info:

> ____________________

> http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/coconut_oil2.html

>

> The lauric acid in coconut oil is used by the body to make the same

> disease-fighting fatty acid derivative monolaurin that babies make

> from the lauric acid they get from their mothers= milk. The

> monoglyceride monolaurin is the substance that keeps infants from

> getting viral or bacterial or protozoal infections.

>

> Coconut oil is about 50 percent lauric acid

> ______________________

> http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/coconuts1.html

>

> Article: Health benifits of coconuts and coconut oil

[Guest guest]

What is the view on nut oils, such as peanut and walnut oils? Does

> canned coconut milk have benefits similar to coconut oil? Is olive

oil

> considered beneficial as well

________________________

Here are some reasearch links. There is lots of other evidence

around in various books, mostly related to Polenisians and other's

whose diets contain coconut oil and their good health and lack of

heart disease.

http://coconut-info.com/links.htm#Abstracts%20from%20peer%20reviewed%

20literature

I don't understand why the Weston Price foundation is suspect. Have

you ever read Weston Price's very fascinating book " Nutrition and

Physical Degeneration " ? It covers his many years of research in the

1930's? He went all over the world and examined the diets, health

and disease levels of indigenous populations that had not adopted

Western diets. He also compared them to the same cultures who had

adopted Western diets to varying degrees. The book is so convincing

that many of the ideas we have about diet today are wrong. Also, it

lets you see what types of diets are the most healthy. He found that

vegetarians were less healthy than meat eaters and that some

cultures in Africa who consumed mostly dairy products, especially

large amounts of butter had some of the best health in the world. It

contains lots of photographs, some of families showing the

developmental changes in children born as the family became more and

more Westernized in their eating. It is so convincing and disturbing

because you see how you need to eat to be healthy and know that it

is almost impossible to do today.

One thing that is really interesting is that in the early days of

intervenous feeding in hospitals, they used vegetable oils and

patients died. They found that vegetable oils suppress the immune

system. They now use coconut oil in intervenous feeding solutions.

Peanuts and Walnuts are not in the same family as coconuts, which

are mambers of the Palm family. Both peanut and walnut oil become

rancid very easily and are long chain unstable oils vs coconut's

chemically stable short and medium chain oils. Today, in some of the

health food stores, you'll find these oils with vitamin E added to

help slow their oxidation. But, many of these oils are so fragile

that they begin to oxidze the minute that they are processed. Also,

all the major commercial seed oils, except cold pressed and expeller

processed ones have been extracted with solvents. Solvents make it

possible to get more oil out of the product. These solvents are left

in the oil in small amounts but are very carcinogenic. New standards

are being drafted by the government to reduce the use of this

process, since the solvents are removed by evaporation into the air

resulting in air pollution.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/canola.html

Traces of the solvent (usually hexane) remain in the oil

Olive oil is considered benificial because it contains natural

atioxidants that protect it from damage and protect us when we eat

it. However, heating it is more damaging to it than to coconut oil.

Coconut milk has about 40% oil in it and so it is good for you too,

but it is hard to find canned coconut milk that does not have

additives to keep the solids in suspension. I am allergic to casein

in milk and use it as a substitute in cooking.

Here are some articles by Dr. Ray Peat, a long time hormone

researcher and physiologist, now retired. They talk about how

commercial vegetable oils are damaging. He also has good thyroid

articles too.

http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/nutri.html

Tish

[Guest guest]

What is the view on nut oils, such as peanut and walnut oils? Does

> canned coconut milk have benefits similar to coconut oil? Is olive

oil

> considered beneficial as well

________________________

Here are some reasearch links. There is lots of other evidence

around in various books, mostly related to Polenisians and other's

whose diets contain coconut oil and their good health and lack of

heart disease.

http://coconut-info.com/links.htm#Abstracts%20from%20peer%20reviewed%

20literature

I don't understand why the Weston Price foundation is suspect. Have

you ever read Weston Price's very fascinating book " Nutrition and

Physical Degeneration " ? It covers his many years of research in the

1930's? He went all over the world and examined the diets, health

and disease levels of indigenous populations that had not adopted

Western diets. He also compared them to the same cultures who had

adopted Western diets to varying degrees. The book is so convincing

that many of the ideas we have about diet today are wrong. Also, it

lets you see what types of diets are the most healthy. He found that

vegetarians were less healthy than meat eaters and that some

cultures in Africa who consumed mostly dairy products, especially

large amounts of butter had some of the best health in the world. It

contains lots of photographs, some of families showing the

developmental changes in children born as the family became more and

more Westernized in their eating. It is so convincing and disturbing

because you see how you need to eat to be healthy and know that it

is almost impossible to do today.

One thing that is really interesting is that in the early days of

intervenous feeding in hospitals, they used vegetable oils and

patients died. They found that vegetable oils suppress the immune

system. They now use coconut oil in intervenous feeding solutions.

Peanuts and Walnuts are not in the same family as coconuts, which

are mambers of the Palm family. Both peanut and walnut oil become

rancid very easily and are long chain unstable oils vs coconut's

chemically stable short and medium chain oils. Today, in some of the

health food stores, you'll find these oils with vitamin E added to

help slow their oxidation. But, many of these oils are so fragile

that they begin to oxidze the minute that they are processed. Also,

all the major commercial seed oils, except cold pressed and expeller

processed ones have been extracted with solvents. Solvents make it

possible to get more oil out of the product. These solvents are left

in the oil in small amounts but are very carcinogenic. New standards

are being drafted by the government to reduce the use of this

process, since the solvents are removed by evaporation into the air

resulting in air pollution.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/canola.html

Traces of the solvent (usually hexane) remain in the oil

Olive oil is considered benificial because it contains natural

atioxidants that protect it from damage and protect us when we eat

it. However, heating it is more damaging to it than to coconut oil.

Coconut milk has about 40% oil in it and so it is good for you too,

but it is hard to find canned coconut milk that does not have

additives to keep the solids in suspension. I am allergic to casein

in milk and use it as a substitute in cooking.

Here are some articles by Dr. Ray Peat, a long time hormone

researcher and physiologist, now retired. They talk about how

commercial vegetable oils are damaging. He also has good thyroid

articles too.

http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/nutri.html

Tish

[Guest guest]

What is the view on nut oils, such as peanut and walnut oils? Does

> canned coconut milk have benefits similar to coconut oil? Is olive

oil

> considered beneficial as well

________________________

Here are some reasearch links. There is lots of other evidence

around in various books, mostly related to Polenisians and other's

whose diets contain coconut oil and their good health and lack of

heart disease.

http://coconut-info.com/links.htm#Abstracts%20from%20peer%20reviewed%

20literature

I don't understand why the Weston Price foundation is suspect. Have

you ever read Weston Price's very fascinating book " Nutrition and

Physical Degeneration " ? It covers his many years of research in the

1930's? He went all over the world and examined the diets, health

and disease levels of indigenous populations that had not adopted

Western diets. He also compared them to the same cultures who had

adopted Western diets to varying degrees. The book is so convincing

that many of the ideas we have about diet today are wrong. Also, it

lets you see what types of diets are the most healthy. He found that

vegetarians were less healthy than meat eaters and that some

cultures in Africa who consumed mostly dairy products, especially

large amounts of butter had some of the best health in the world. It

contains lots of photographs, some of families showing the

developmental changes in children born as the family became more and

more Westernized in their eating. It is so convincing and disturbing

because you see how you need to eat to be healthy and know that it

is almost impossible to do today.

One thing that is really interesting is that in the early days of

intervenous feeding in hospitals, they used vegetable oils and

patients died. They found that vegetable oils suppress the immune

system. They now use coconut oil in intervenous feeding solutions.

Peanuts and Walnuts are not in the same family as coconuts, which

are mambers of the Palm family. Both peanut and walnut oil become

rancid very easily and are long chain unstable oils vs coconut's

chemically stable short and medium chain oils. Today, in some of the

health food stores, you'll find these oils with vitamin E added to

help slow their oxidation. But, many of these oils are so fragile

that they begin to oxidze the minute that they are processed. Also,

all the major commercial seed oils, except cold pressed and expeller

processed ones have been extracted with solvents. Solvents make it

possible to get more oil out of the product. These solvents are left

in the oil in small amounts but are very carcinogenic. New standards

are being drafted by the government to reduce the use of this

process, since the solvents are removed by evaporation into the air

resulting in air pollution.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/canola.html

Traces of the solvent (usually hexane) remain in the oil

Olive oil is considered benificial because it contains natural

atioxidants that protect it from damage and protect us when we eat

it. However, heating it is more damaging to it than to coconut oil.

Coconut milk has about 40% oil in it and so it is good for you too,

but it is hard to find canned coconut milk that does not have

additives to keep the solids in suspension. I am allergic to casein

in milk and use it as a substitute in cooking.

Here are some articles by Dr. Ray Peat, a long time hormone

researcher and physiologist, now retired. They talk about how

commercial vegetable oils are damaging. He also has good thyroid

articles too.

http://www.efn.org/~raypeat/nutri.html

Tish

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this info, I'll look into it some more.

You inspired me to make Thai red curry yesterday for dinner, using

coconut milk . I haven't had that in ages. Yummm.... coconut milk...

blithe

> Here are some reasearch links. There is lots of other evidence

> around in various books, mostly related to Polenisians and other's

> whose diets contain coconut oil and their good health and lack of

> heart disease.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this info, I'll look into it some more.

You inspired me to make Thai red curry yesterday for dinner, using

coconut milk . I haven't had that in ages. Yummm.... coconut milk...

blithe

> Here are some reasearch links. There is lots of other evidence

> around in various books, mostly related to Polenisians and other's

> whose diets contain coconut oil and their good health and lack of

> heart disease.