Re: Cure for diabetes (WAS: Request for helpful info)

[Guest guest]

---, 100 years huh?! Well you are on for a bowl of boiled

potatoes, prefer mine mashed though!!!! I will only be 154 then!!!

Madge

In diabetes_int@y..., " j459g " <j459g@y...> wrote:

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> > There is no cure for diabetes that I know of.

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> Certain to come in the next 100 years - I bet you a bowl of boiled

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> That's enough confrontation for me tonight, I ate too much today

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> have been sitting at the computer for hours - time to go to bed!

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[Guest guest]

<<(I am feeling confrontational again, Phyllis, so I am going to try to

give you something to bite on - just to start the year off right!)

Bring it on. I am in such a bad mood today and I don't know why! So your

comment at least made me laugh again.

<<Finding a fix for insulin resistance need not involve the pancreas at

all, right?>>

Good question. I am too lazy today to go look through my old anatomy

books. Which organ does control the insulin resistance. Whichever one it

is I want them to clone one for me!

<<You can " eat all you want and anything you want " right now - provided

you don't " want " to eat the wrong food and don't " want " to eat too

much of it, but that applies to non-diabetics, too. >>

Yea, but I am tired of worrying about it all the time. Wouldn't it be

nice to just eat something because it sounded delicious and not have to

worry that it is going to kill you. I knows lots of people that eat

whatever and are fine. I also have know people that smoked, ate

whatever, drank and never exercised and lived to be 85. I guess it is

just genetics.

Yes, I do believe there will be a cure. It may have to come from outside

of the US because of the fanatics located here! But, please don't

everybody e-mail me about cloning and stem cell research, I can't take

it today.

I hope we both have a better day tomorrow! I am working on an attitude

adjustment. I think I just wore myself out over the holidays..

[Guest guest]

<<(I am feeling confrontational again, Phyllis, so I am going to try to

give you something to bite on - just to start the year off right!)

Bring it on. I am in such a bad mood today and I don't know why! So your

comment at least made me laugh again.

<<Finding a fix for insulin resistance need not involve the pancreas at

all, right?>>

Good question. I am too lazy today to go look through my old anatomy

books. Which organ does control the insulin resistance. Whichever one it

is I want them to clone one for me!

<<You can " eat all you want and anything you want " right now - provided

you don't " want " to eat the wrong food and don't " want " to eat too

much of it, but that applies to non-diabetics, too. >>

Yea, but I am tired of worrying about it all the time. Wouldn't it be

nice to just eat something because it sounded delicious and not have to

worry that it is going to kill you. I knows lots of people that eat

whatever and are fine. I also have know people that smoked, ate

whatever, drank and never exercised and lived to be 85. I guess it is

just genetics.

Yes, I do believe there will be a cure. It may have to come from outside

of the US because of the fanatics located here! But, please don't

everybody e-mail me about cloning and stem cell research, I can't take

it today.

I hope we both have a better day tomorrow! I am working on an attitude

adjustment. I think I just wore myself out over the holidays..

[Guest guest]

---May be the aftermath of the holidays cause I was in a rotten mood

the other day, No matter what anyone said, I was ready to jump down

their throats! That is the opposite of my disposition. Nothing made

me happy, I was disgruntled over every little thing that seemed not

quite right, I felt out of sorts, hair not right,clothes not right

and on and on. So, I just chalked it up to holiday stress and the

next day I was more my old self.

So, hope you have a much better day tomorrow, Phyllis!

Madge

In diabetes_int@y..., Phyllis Norwood <phyllis@t...> wrote:

> <<(I am feeling confrontational again, Phyllis, so I am going to

try to

> give you something to bite on - just to start the year off right!)

>

> Bring it on. I am in such a bad mood today and I don't know why! >

>

> I hope we both have a better day tomorrow! I am working on an

attitude

> adjustment. I think I just wore myself out over the holidays..

[Guest guest]

Regarding a cure, wrote:

> The change need not necessarily involve the pancreas, though. There

> is a lot of research going on in transplanting just fresh beta cells

> into the liver where they can generate insulin that would do the job

I would agree that a " cure " would not necessarily involve the pancreas as

long as a workable level of insulin production and sensitivity were to be

restored. However, I would not consider current transplant techniques to be

a cure, and I'm fairly sure they would not be labeled a cure by the medical

profession (as distinguished from the " press " ).

For example, kidney transplant is labeled (correctly, IMHO) as a treatment

for kidney failure, not a cure. Continued use of immune suppressants is

required to prevent rejection, and transplant is evaluated (for efficacy and

cost) as an alternative treatment to dialysis, not as a cure.

The current islet or beta cell transplant techniques are, similarly,

alternative treatments requiring continuing (lifetime) use of anti-rejection

meds (which have their own limitations and dangers).

Now, use of beta cells cloned from one's own remaining functioning cells may

have some promise of approaching a cure and avoiding the rejection problems,

but, for now, what we are really looking at are possible alternative

treatments. I am well acquainted with several people with kidney

transplants and am aware of some of the problems of anti-rejection meds. As

long as I can maintain good control without meds, a commitment to lifetime

use of immune suppressants is not an appealing alternative. I'm not even

sure I wouldn't prefer lifetime use of insulin to the immune suppressants.

Tom the Actuary

[Guest guest]

Regarding a cure, wrote:

> The change need not necessarily involve the pancreas, though. There

> is a lot of research going on in transplanting just fresh beta cells

> into the liver where they can generate insulin that would do the job

I would agree that a " cure " would not necessarily involve the pancreas as

long as a workable level of insulin production and sensitivity were to be

restored. However, I would not consider current transplant techniques to be

a cure, and I'm fairly sure they would not be labeled a cure by the medical

profession (as distinguished from the " press " ).

For example, kidney transplant is labeled (correctly, IMHO) as a treatment

for kidney failure, not a cure. Continued use of immune suppressants is

required to prevent rejection, and transplant is evaluated (for efficacy and

cost) as an alternative treatment to dialysis, not as a cure.

The current islet or beta cell transplant techniques are, similarly,

alternative treatments requiring continuing (lifetime) use of anti-rejection

meds (which have their own limitations and dangers).

Now, use of beta cells cloned from one's own remaining functioning cells may

have some promise of approaching a cure and avoiding the rejection problems,

but, for now, what we are really looking at are possible alternative

treatments. I am well acquainted with several people with kidney

transplants and am aware of some of the problems of anti-rejection meds. As

long as I can maintain good control without meds, a commitment to lifetime

use of immune suppressants is not an appealing alternative. I'm not even

sure I wouldn't prefer lifetime use of insulin to the immune suppressants.

Tom the Actuary