Re: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

[Guest guest]

But what is the explanation of that, i.e., on what basis are they saying

this? I understand the Type I process, but not autoimmune of Type II. Is

it thyroid antibodies or what kind of antibodies for the Type II?

Re: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

> According to Shomon's book Living well with an autoimmune

> disease - both forms of diabetes are considered autoimmune diseases.

>

> Louise

[Guest guest]

But what is the explanation of that, i.e., on what basis are they saying

this? I understand the Type I process, but not autoimmune of Type II. Is

it thyroid antibodies or what kind of antibodies for the Type II?

Re: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

> According to Shomon's book Living well with an autoimmune

> disease - both forms of diabetes are considered autoimmune diseases.

>

> Louise

[Guest guest]

This is from her book:

It's important to start the discussion of diabetes by differentiating

between the 2 types. The autoimmune type is type 1 diabetes - also

known as insulin dependent diabetes, juvenile diabetes and diabetes

mellitus - which is frequently diagnosed in childhhod or young

adulthood. The more common type of diabetes, type 2, or non insulin

dependent diabetes, is the form that typically develops in adulthood

and is almost overwhelmingly associated with obesity. There is some

evidence that autoimmunity may contribute to a tendency to develop

type 2 diabetes, and it is more common in patients with other

autoimmune conditions.

Louise

> But does it involve Type II Diabetes, or a prelude to it, or is it

the

> prelude to Type I (Pancreas, Islets)?

>

>

>

>

> Re: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

>

>

> > Yes, that's what I was wondering. That the increasing inability of

> > cells to accept insulin might indicate some sort of autoimmune

process

> > at the cellular level.

> >

> > Wow, I just did a google search, and it turns out there *is* a

type of

> > insulin resistance which is caused by the presence of

autoantibodies

> > to insulin receptors. See

http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1173.htm

> >

> > I hadn't realized there was more than one type of insulin

resistance.

> >

> > blithe

[Guest guest]

This is from her book:

It's important to start the discussion of diabetes by differentiating

between the 2 types. The autoimmune type is type 1 diabetes - also

known as insulin dependent diabetes, juvenile diabetes and diabetes

mellitus - which is frequently diagnosed in childhhod or young

adulthood. The more common type of diabetes, type 2, or non insulin

dependent diabetes, is the form that typically develops in adulthood

and is almost overwhelmingly associated with obesity. There is some

evidence that autoimmunity may contribute to a tendency to develop

type 2 diabetes, and it is more common in patients with other

autoimmune conditions.

Louise

> But does it involve Type II Diabetes, or a prelude to it, or is it

the

> prelude to Type I (Pancreas, Islets)?

>

>

>

>

> Re: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

>

>

> > Yes, that's what I was wondering. That the increasing inability of

> > cells to accept insulin might indicate some sort of autoimmune

process

> > at the cellular level.

> >

> > Wow, I just did a google search, and it turns out there *is* a

type of

> > insulin resistance which is caused by the presence of

autoantibodies

> > to insulin receptors. See

http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1173.htm

> >

> > I hadn't realized there was more than one type of insulin

resistance.

> >

> > blithe

[Guest guest]

As far as I understood, this form of autoimmune insulin resistance is

a prelude to type II diabetes.

blithe

> But does it involve Type II Diabetes, or a prelude to it, or is it the

> prelude to Type I (Pancreas, Islets)?

>

>

>

>

> Re: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

>

>

> > Yes, that's what I was wondering. That the increasing inability of

> > cells to accept insulin might indicate some sort of autoimmune process

> > at the cellular level.

> >

> > Wow, I just did a google search, and it turns out there *is* a type of

> > insulin resistance which is caused by the presence of autoantibodies

> > to insulin receptors. See http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1173.htm

> >

> > I hadn't realized there was more than one type of insulin resistance.

> >

> > blithe

[Guest guest]

But, as already stated by someone else, it would be the general fact that

the cells become resistant to absorbing anything, when they become insulin

resistant, and that would be the case with Type II Diabetes. To me, it is

rather an association with, rather than being autoimmune itself.

Re: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

> As far as I understood, this form of autoimmune insulin resistance is

> a prelude to type II diabetes.

>

> blithe

[Guest guest]

But, as already stated by someone else, it would be the general fact that

the cells become resistant to absorbing anything, when they become insulin

resistant, and that would be the case with Type II Diabetes. To me, it is

rather an association with, rather than being autoimmune itself.

Re: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

> As far as I understood, this form of autoimmune insulin resistance is

> a prelude to type II diabetes.

>

> blithe

[Guest guest]

The article whose URL I pasted into the original e-mail talked about

actual antibodies to insulin causing one specific type of insulin

resistance. The insulin resistance, when persistent for long enough,

becomes type 2 diabetes.

blithe

But, as already stated by someone else, it would be the general fact

that the cells become resistant to absorbing anything, when they

become insulin resistant, and that would be the case with Type II

Diabetes. To me, it is rather an association with, rather than being

autoimmune itself.

>

> Re: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

>

>

> > As far as I understood, this form of autoimmune insulin resistance is

> > a prelude to type II diabetes.

> >

> > blithe

[Guest guest]

The article whose URL I pasted into the original e-mail talked about

actual antibodies to insulin causing one specific type of insulin

resistance. The insulin resistance, when persistent for long enough,

becomes type 2 diabetes.

blithe

But, as already stated by someone else, it would be the general fact

that the cells become resistant to absorbing anything, when they

become insulin resistant, and that would be the case with Type II

Diabetes. To me, it is rather an association with, rather than being

autoimmune itself.

>

> Re: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

>

>

> > As far as I understood, this form of autoimmune insulin resistance is

> > a prelude to type II diabetes.

> >

> > blithe

[Guest guest]

The article whose URL I pasted into the original e-mail talked about

actual antibodies to insulin causing one specific type of insulin

resistance. The insulin resistance, when persistent for long enough,

becomes type 2 diabetes.

blithe

But, as already stated by someone else, it would be the general fact

that the cells become resistant to absorbing anything, when they

become insulin resistant, and that would be the case with Type II

Diabetes. To me, it is rather an association with, rather than being

autoimmune itself.

>

> Re: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

>

>

> > As far as I understood, this form of autoimmune insulin resistance is

> > a prelude to type II diabetes.

> >

> > blithe

[Guest guest]

Ok, I guess I somehow missed that link, I don't remember seeing one. Thank

you. This very much interests me, as I've not read of this.

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> >

> >

> > > As far as I understood, this form of autoimmune insulin resistance is

> > > a prelude to type II diabetes.

> > >

> > > blithe

>

>

>