Re: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

[Guest guest]

There appears to be a lower risk for breast cancer if you are hypo. Like if

you breast feed, you are at lower risk. That doesn't mean you won't get it.

Conversley, too high t3 is supposed to increase the risk. That is a

condensed vertion of what info is out there. Like all the other stuff, they

contradict.

>

>Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group , WmnsHormones

>Subject: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

>Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:20:14 -0500

>

>I bought Dr. Lee's book " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Breast

>Cancer " He said thyroid issues increase your chance of breast cancer.

>Seems like I've also read something about a link with bc and low FT4?

>Anyone else heard this?

>

>Blessings,

>Debbie K.

>

[Guest guest]

There appears to be a lower risk for breast cancer if you are hypo. Like if

you breast feed, you are at lower risk. That doesn't mean you won't get it.

Conversley, too high t3 is supposed to increase the risk. That is a

condensed vertion of what info is out there. Like all the other stuff, they

contradict.

>

>Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group , WmnsHormones

>Subject: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

>Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:20:14 -0500

>

>I bought Dr. Lee's book " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Breast

>Cancer " He said thyroid issues increase your chance of breast cancer.

>Seems like I've also read something about a link with bc and low FT4?

>Anyone else heard this?

>

>Blessings,

>Debbie K.

>

[Guest guest]

There appears to be a lower risk for breast cancer if you are hypo. Like if

you breast feed, you are at lower risk. That doesn't mean you won't get it.

Conversley, too high t3 is supposed to increase the risk. That is a

condensed vertion of what info is out there. Like all the other stuff, they

contradict.

>

>Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group , WmnsHormones

>Subject: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

>Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:20:14 -0500

>

>I bought Dr. Lee's book " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Breast

>Cancer " He said thyroid issues increase your chance of breast cancer.

>Seems like I've also read something about a link with bc and low FT4?

>Anyone else heard this?

>

>Blessings,

>Debbie K.

>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm I'm confused.

I read yesterday in Shomon's book that estrogen dominance is

associated with hypothyroid (maybe that's why women with PCOS tend to

have antithyroid antibodies?).

Insights, anyone?

blithe

There appears to be a lower risk for breast cancer if you are hypo.

Like if you breast feed, you are at lower risk. That doesn't mean you

won't get it.

Conversley, too high t3 is supposed to increase the risk. That is a

condensed vertion of what info is out there. Like all the other stuff,

they contradict.

That is a very flawed study. They draw a lot of unwarrented

conclusions. What they fail to see is that women who are hypothyroid

tend to be low on estrogen, too. High levels of estrogen are

associated with breast cancer.

As for the T3 connection, it is only two specific genetic varieties of

breast cancer cells that like T3. They are not the most common ones.

jan in tx

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thyroid_Cancer_Texas/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Texas_Thyroid_Groups/

[Guest guest]

Hmmm I'm confused.

I read yesterday in Shomon's book that estrogen dominance is

associated with hypothyroid (maybe that's why women with PCOS tend to

have antithyroid antibodies?).

Insights, anyone?

blithe

There appears to be a lower risk for breast cancer if you are hypo.

Like if you breast feed, you are at lower risk. That doesn't mean you

won't get it.

Conversley, too high t3 is supposed to increase the risk. That is a

condensed vertion of what info is out there. Like all the other stuff,

they contradict.

That is a very flawed study. They draw a lot of unwarrented

conclusions. What they fail to see is that women who are hypothyroid

tend to be low on estrogen, too. High levels of estrogen are

associated with breast cancer.

As for the T3 connection, it is only two specific genetic varieties of

breast cancer cells that like T3. They are not the most common ones.

jan in tx

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Thyroid_Cancer_Texas/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Texas_Thyroid_Groups/

[Guest guest]

Are PCOS women really estrogen dominant? I know women with endometriosis

are, but looking at my female hormone panels, my estrogen and

progesterone are always at the top of the normal range, which shows I am

not estrogen dominant. PCOS makes you testosterone-dominant, hehe.

I've never read anything to say they are or are not estrogen dominant,

but in my experience I am not. I think the reason why PCOS women tend to

have thyroid antibodies is simply because it is an autoimmune disease -

Type 1 diabetics and people with rheumatoid arthritis also tend to have

thyroid antibodies.

Jan

blithezb00tik wrote:

>Hmmm I'm confused.

>

>I read yesterday in Shomon's book that estrogen dominance is

>associated with hypothyroid (maybe that's why women with PCOS tend to

>have antithyroid antibodies?).

>

>Insights, anyone?

>

>blithe

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Are PCOS women really estrogen dominant? I know women with endometriosis

are, but looking at my female hormone panels, my estrogen and

progesterone are always at the top of the normal range, which shows I am

not estrogen dominant. PCOS makes you testosterone-dominant, hehe.

I've never read anything to say they are or are not estrogen dominant,

but in my experience I am not. I think the reason why PCOS women tend to

have thyroid antibodies is simply because it is an autoimmune disease -

Type 1 diabetics and people with rheumatoid arthritis also tend to have

thyroid antibodies.

Jan

blithezb00tik wrote:

>Hmmm I'm confused.

>

>I read yesterday in Shomon's book that estrogen dominance is

>associated with hypothyroid (maybe that's why women with PCOS tend to

>have antithyroid antibodies?).

>

>Insights, anyone?

>

>blithe

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Are PCOS women really estrogen dominant? I know women with endometriosis

are, but looking at my female hormone panels, my estrogen and

progesterone are always at the top of the normal range, which shows I am

not estrogen dominant. PCOS makes you testosterone-dominant, hehe.

I've never read anything to say they are or are not estrogen dominant,

but in my experience I am not. I think the reason why PCOS women tend to

have thyroid antibodies is simply because it is an autoimmune disease -

Type 1 diabetics and people with rheumatoid arthritis also tend to have

thyroid antibodies.

Jan

blithezb00tik wrote:

>Hmmm I'm confused.

>

>I read yesterday in Shomon's book that estrogen dominance is

>associated with hypothyroid (maybe that's why women with PCOS tend to

>have antithyroid antibodies?).

>

>Insights, anyone?

>

>blithe

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe it varies from woman to woman, but the article here

http://www.ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/estrogen-dominance.html indicates

that estrogen dominance is present in PCOS as a result of lack of

progesterone (rather than too much estrogen). Do you use natural

progesterone cream or some other type of progesterone/progestin? That

might be responsible for your normal progesterone levels.

Btw, I've been wondering why type II diabetes isn't considered an

auto-immune disease. Couldn't the dynamic of insulin resistance be

considered an auto-immune process?

blithe

> Are PCOS women really estrogen dominant? I know women with

endometriosis are, but looking at my female hormone panels, my

estrogen and progesterone are always at the top of the normal range,

which shows I am not estrogen dominant. PCOS makes you

testosterone-dominant, hehe.

I've never read anything to say they are or are not estrogen dominant,

but in my experience I am not. I think the reason why PCOS women tend

to have thyroid antibodies is simply because it is an autoimmune

disease - Type 1 diabetics and people with rheumatoid arthritis also

tend to have thyroid antibodies.

Jan

[Guest guest]

Maybe it varies from woman to woman, but the article here

http://www.ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/estrogen-dominance.html indicates

that estrogen dominance is present in PCOS as a result of lack of

progesterone (rather than too much estrogen). Do you use natural

progesterone cream or some other type of progesterone/progestin? That

might be responsible for your normal progesterone levels.

Btw, I've been wondering why type II diabetes isn't considered an

auto-immune disease. Couldn't the dynamic of insulin resistance be

considered an auto-immune process?

blithe

> Are PCOS women really estrogen dominant? I know women with

endometriosis are, but looking at my female hormone panels, my

estrogen and progesterone are always at the top of the normal range,

which shows I am not estrogen dominant. PCOS makes you

testosterone-dominant, hehe.

I've never read anything to say they are or are not estrogen dominant,

but in my experience I am not. I think the reason why PCOS women tend

to have thyroid antibodies is simply because it is an autoimmune

disease - Type 1 diabetics and people with rheumatoid arthritis also

tend to have thyroid antibodies.

Jan

[Guest guest]

Maybe it varies from woman to woman, but the article here

http://www.ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/estrogen-dominance.html indicates

that estrogen dominance is present in PCOS as a result of lack of

progesterone (rather than too much estrogen). Do you use natural

progesterone cream or some other type of progesterone/progestin? That

might be responsible for your normal progesterone levels.

Btw, I've been wondering why type II diabetes isn't considered an

auto-immune disease. Couldn't the dynamic of insulin resistance be

considered an auto-immune process?

blithe

> Are PCOS women really estrogen dominant? I know women with

endometriosis are, but looking at my female hormone panels, my

estrogen and progesterone are always at the top of the normal range,

which shows I am not estrogen dominant. PCOS makes you

testosterone-dominant, hehe.

I've never read anything to say they are or are not estrogen dominant,

but in my experience I am not. I think the reason why PCOS women tend

to have thyroid antibodies is simply because it is an autoimmune

disease - Type 1 diabetics and people with rheumatoid arthritis also

tend to have thyroid antibodies.

Jan

[Guest guest]

> Btw, I've been wondering why type II diabetes isn't considered an

> auto-immune disease. Couldn't the dynamic of insulin resistance be

> considered an auto-immune process?

______________

Type II diabetes is a common attribute of Auto-immune polyglandular

Syndrome or Schmidt's Syndrome and auto0immune condition that

results in damage to the thyroid, adrenals and

pituitary/hypothalamus. This syndrome happens to about 20% of all

thryoid patients. So, I think it probably is in many cases or maybe

all. I found this is Verner and Ingbar's " The Thyroid "

Tish

[Guest guest]

No, because the autoimmune antibodies of Type I diabetes attack the islet

cells of the pancreas, and that's what makes it autoimmune. Now, if they

come up with something that says that there are antibodies at the cellular

level, that won't allow the insulin to get into the cells, then yes, that

would be true. I have not run across anything about this. Did you see

something somewhere? This is interesting.

Re: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

> Maybe it varies from woman to woman, but the article here

> http://www.ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/estrogen-dominance.html indicates

> that estrogen dominance is present in PCOS as a result of lack of

> progesterone (rather than too much estrogen). Do you use natural

> progesterone cream or some other type of progesterone/progestin? That

> might be responsible for your normal progesterone levels.

>

> Btw, I've been wondering why type II diabetes isn't considered an

> auto-immune disease. Couldn't the dynamic of insulin resistance be

> considered an auto-immune process?

>

> blithe

[Guest guest]

No, because the autoimmune antibodies of Type I diabetes attack the islet

cells of the pancreas, and that's what makes it autoimmune. Now, if they

come up with something that says that there are antibodies at the cellular

level, that won't allow the insulin to get into the cells, then yes, that

would be true. I have not run across anything about this. Did you see

something somewhere? This is interesting.

Re: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

> Maybe it varies from woman to woman, but the article here

> http://www.ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/estrogen-dominance.html indicates

> that estrogen dominance is present in PCOS as a result of lack of

> progesterone (rather than too much estrogen). Do you use natural

> progesterone cream or some other type of progesterone/progestin? That

> might be responsible for your normal progesterone levels.

>

> Btw, I've been wondering why type II diabetes isn't considered an

> auto-immune disease. Couldn't the dynamic of insulin resistance be

> considered an auto-immune process?

>

> blithe

[Guest guest]

No, because the autoimmune antibodies of Type I diabetes attack the islet

cells of the pancreas, and that's what makes it autoimmune. Now, if they

come up with something that says that there are antibodies at the cellular

level, that won't allow the insulin to get into the cells, then yes, that

would be true. I have not run across anything about this. Did you see

something somewhere? This is interesting.

Re: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

> Maybe it varies from woman to woman, but the article here

> http://www.ovarian-cysts-pcos.com/estrogen-dominance.html indicates

> that estrogen dominance is present in PCOS as a result of lack of

> progesterone (rather than too much estrogen). Do you use natural

> progesterone cream or some other type of progesterone/progestin? That

> might be responsible for your normal progesterone levels.

>

> Btw, I've been wondering why type II diabetes isn't considered an

> auto-immune disease. Couldn't the dynamic of insulin resistance be

> considered an auto-immune process?

>

> blithe

[Guest guest]

According to Shomon's book Living well with an autoimmune

disease - both forms of diabetes are considered autoimmune diseases.

Louise

> > Are PCOS women really estrogen dominant? I know women with

> endometriosis are, but looking at my female hormone panels, my

> estrogen and progesterone are always at the top of the normal range,

> which shows I am not estrogen dominant. PCOS makes you

> testosterone-dominant, hehe.

>

> I've never read anything to say they are or are not estrogen

dominant,

> but in my experience I am not. I think the reason why PCOS women

tend

> to have thyroid antibodies is simply because it is an autoimmune

> disease - Type 1 diabetics and people with rheumatoid arthritis also

> tend to have thyroid antibodies.

>

> Jan

[Guest guest]

According to Shomon's book Living well with an autoimmune

disease - both forms of diabetes are considered autoimmune diseases.

Louise

> > Are PCOS women really estrogen dominant? I know women with

> endometriosis are, but looking at my female hormone panels, my

> estrogen and progesterone are always at the top of the normal range,

> which shows I am not estrogen dominant. PCOS makes you

> testosterone-dominant, hehe.

>

> I've never read anything to say they are or are not estrogen

dominant,

> but in my experience I am not. I think the reason why PCOS women

tend

> to have thyroid antibodies is simply because it is an autoimmune

> disease - Type 1 diabetics and people with rheumatoid arthritis also

> tend to have thyroid antibodies.

>

> Jan

[Guest guest]

Yes, that's what I was wondering. That the increasing inability of

cells to accept insulin might indicate some sort of autoimmune process

at the cellular level.

Wow, I just did a google search, and it turns out there *is* a type of

insulin resistance which is caused by the presence of autoantibodies

to insulin receptors. See http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1173.htm

I hadn't realized there was more than one type of insulin resistance.

blithe

No, because the autoimmune antibodies of Type I diabetes attack the

islet cells of the pancreas, and that's what makes it autoimmune.

>>>Now, if they come up with something that says that there are

antibodies at the cellular level, that won't allow the insulin to get

into the cells, then yes, that would be true.<<<

I have not run across anything about this. Did you see something

somewhere? This is interesting.

[Guest guest]

Yes, that's what I was wondering. That the increasing inability of

cells to accept insulin might indicate some sort of autoimmune process

at the cellular level.

Wow, I just did a google search, and it turns out there *is* a type of

insulin resistance which is caused by the presence of autoantibodies

to insulin receptors. See http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1173.htm

I hadn't realized there was more than one type of insulin resistance.

blithe

No, because the autoimmune antibodies of Type I diabetes attack the

islet cells of the pancreas, and that's what makes it autoimmune.

>>>Now, if they come up with something that says that there are

antibodies at the cellular level, that won't allow the insulin to get

into the cells, then yes, that would be true.<<<

I have not run across anything about this. Did you see something

somewhere? This is interesting.

[Guest guest]

Yes, that's what I was wondering. That the increasing inability of

cells to accept insulin might indicate some sort of autoimmune process

at the cellular level.

Wow, I just did a google search, and it turns out there *is* a type of

insulin resistance which is caused by the presence of autoantibodies

to insulin receptors. See http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1173.htm

I hadn't realized there was more than one type of insulin resistance.

blithe

No, because the autoimmune antibodies of Type I diabetes attack the

islet cells of the pancreas, and that's what makes it autoimmune.

>>>Now, if they come up with something that says that there are

antibodies at the cellular level, that won't allow the insulin to get

into the cells, then yes, that would be true.<<<

I have not run across anything about this. Did you see something

somewhere? This is interesting.

[Guest guest]

Yes, but a lot of medical literature that I've read online only refers

to type I as autoimmune. Not sure if that's the consensus in the

medical community, or oversight, or what. Perhaps bias in terms of

viewing type II as caused solely by poor lifestyle?

blithe

P.S. I think I have to reread her book. I just finished it last week

and I've already forgotten most of what I'd read .

> According to Shomon's book Living well with an autoimmune

> disease - both forms of diabetes are considered autoimmune diseases.

>

> Louise

[Guest guest]

Yes, but a lot of medical literature that I've read online only refers

to type I as autoimmune. Not sure if that's the consensus in the

medical community, or oversight, or what. Perhaps bias in terms of

viewing type II as caused solely by poor lifestyle?

blithe

P.S. I think I have to reread her book. I just finished it last week

and I've already forgotten most of what I'd read .

> According to Shomon's book Living well with an autoimmune

> disease - both forms of diabetes are considered autoimmune diseases.

>

> Louise

[Guest guest]

Yes, but a lot of medical literature that I've read online only refers

to type I as autoimmune. Not sure if that's the consensus in the

medical community, or oversight, or what. Perhaps bias in terms of

viewing type II as caused solely by poor lifestyle?

blithe

P.S. I think I have to reread her book. I just finished it last week

and I've already forgotten most of what I'd read .

> According to Shomon's book Living well with an autoimmune

> disease - both forms of diabetes are considered autoimmune diseases.

>

> Louise

[Guest guest]

But does it involve Type II Diabetes, or a prelude to it, or is it the

prelude to Type I (Pancreas, Islets)?

Re: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

> Yes, that's what I was wondering. That the increasing inability of

> cells to accept insulin might indicate some sort of autoimmune process

> at the cellular level.

>

> Wow, I just did a google search, and it turns out there *is* a type of

> insulin resistance which is caused by the presence of autoantibodies

> to insulin receptors. See http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1173.htm

>

> I hadn't realized there was more than one type of insulin resistance.

>

> blithe

[Guest guest]

But what is the explanation of that, i.e., on what basis are they saying

this? I understand the Type I process, but not autoimmune of Type II. Is

it thyroid antibodies or what kind of antibodies for the Type II?

Re: Breast Cancer-Thyroid Link

> According to Shomon's book Living well with an autoimmune

> disease - both forms of diabetes are considered autoimmune diseases.

>

> Louise