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It's so true. A lot of convenient foods are pretty tricky in their ingredients.

I started putting real cream in my coffee a while back, and ..... wow! When I run out at work and have to use the prepackaged stuff, it never tastes quite as good to me.

Then again, I have my sugar free flavored syrups and have been known to fix myself a latte more afternoons than not.

in LA

> >Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >Subject: Creamer and Soy >Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:49:36 -0000 > >Hello all, > >Just this morning when I was making my coffee, I noticed my powdered >coffee creamer was running very low. So I looked at the instructions >to make liquid creamer..... I then noticed the label showed that the >product contained soy!! This is Kroger Original coffee creamer. I >was very shocked and, stupidly, have never thought to look at the >creamer ingredients label. Why I could have thought that creamer >could be any different than any other product is beyond me. Anyway, I >did call Kroger up to see exactly why they have soy in their creamer >and they didn't have an answer but asure they will call back once a >researcher finds out. I haven't yet made a trip to the grocery today, >but when I do I will let everyone know which creamers do/don't contain >soy. If there are any coffee drinkers out there who use creamer, >beware! I still can't believe I've never looked. I always look for >products that contain soy as my doctor has always advised me never to >consume soy products!! Hopefully other brands don't contain soy. My >morning coffee bliss will be ruined. ;) > >

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It's so true. A lot of convenient foods are pretty tricky in their ingredients.

I started putting real cream in my coffee a while back, and ..... wow! When I run out at work and have to use the prepackaged stuff, it never tastes quite as good to me.

Then again, I have my sugar free flavored syrups and have been known to fix myself a latte more afternoons than not.

in LA

> >Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >Subject: Creamer and Soy >Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:49:36 -0000 > >Hello all, > >Just this morning when I was making my coffee, I noticed my powdered >coffee creamer was running very low. So I looked at the instructions >to make liquid creamer..... I then noticed the label showed that the >product contained soy!! This is Kroger Original coffee creamer. I >was very shocked and, stupidly, have never thought to look at the >creamer ingredients label. Why I could have thought that creamer >could be any different than any other product is beyond me. Anyway, I >did call Kroger up to see exactly why they have soy in their creamer >and they didn't have an answer but asure they will call back once a >researcher finds out. I haven't yet made a trip to the grocery today, >but when I do I will let everyone know which creamers do/don't contain >soy. If there are any coffee drinkers out there who use creamer, >beware! I still can't believe I've never looked. I always look for >products that contain soy as my doctor has always advised me never to >consume soy products!! Hopefully other brands don't contain soy. My >morning coffee bliss will be ruined. ;) > >

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It's so true. A lot of convenient foods are pretty tricky in their ingredients.

I started putting real cream in my coffee a while back, and ..... wow! When I run out at work and have to use the prepackaged stuff, it never tastes quite as good to me.

Then again, I have my sugar free flavored syrups and have been known to fix myself a latte more afternoons than not.

in LA

> >Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >Subject: Creamer and Soy >Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:49:36 -0000 > >Hello all, > >Just this morning when I was making my coffee, I noticed my powdered >coffee creamer was running very low. So I looked at the instructions >to make liquid creamer..... I then noticed the label showed that the >product contained soy!! This is Kroger Original coffee creamer. I >was very shocked and, stupidly, have never thought to look at the >creamer ingredients label. Why I could have thought that creamer >could be any different than any other product is beyond me. Anyway, I >did call Kroger up to see exactly why they have soy in their creamer >and they didn't have an answer but asure they will call back once a >researcher finds out. I haven't yet made a trip to the grocery today, >but when I do I will let everyone know which creamers do/don't contain >soy. If there are any coffee drinkers out there who use creamer, >beware! I still can't believe I've never looked. I always look for >products that contain soy as my doctor has always advised me never to >consume soy products!! Hopefully other brands don't contain soy. My >morning coffee bliss will be ruined. ;) > >

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I was never told that with a thyroid problem we should not have soy!!! I eat a lot of tofu, for the protein. See how much I still have to learn. Are there any other things I should not be eating?

Nita Sage

Creamer and Soy >Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:49:36 -0000 > >Hello all, > >Just this morning when I was making my coffee, I noticed my powdered >coffee creamer was running very low. So I looked at the instructions >to make liquid creamer..... I then noticed the label showed that the >product contained soy!! This is Kroger Original coffee creamer. I >was very shocked and, stupidly, have never thought to look at the >creamer ingredients label. Why I could have thought that creamer >could be any different than any other product is beyond me. Anyway, I >did call Kroger up to see exactly why they have soy in their creamer >and they didn't have an answer but asure they will call back once a >researcher finds out. I haven't yet made a trip to the grocery today, >but when I do I will let everyone know which creamers do/don't contain >soy. If there are any coffee drinkers out there who use creamer, >beware! I still can't believe I've never looked. I always look for >products that contain soy as my doctor has always advised me never to >consume soy products!! Hopefully other brands don't contain soy. My >morning coffee bliss will be ruined. ;) > >

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We've set up a page on the Phoenix site of the ones that we know about.... it will help you make choices on what you are comfortable with eating and what you can't give up.... I still eat some stuff that we shouldn't but what I do is eat that 'naughty' about an hour before I dose (I multi-dose my thyroid 6 times a day... my body is still in rough shape) and I don't seem to have much in the way of problems.... I'm still pretty sensitive.. if I miss a dose by more than an hour to an hour and a half I get the sleepies.. so if the goitrogens were bothering the doses I were taking after eating them I'd know it.....

Perhaps, if you do a second dose in the afternoon (if you are on naturals - with synthetics it doesn't help much) you can eat the no-no for lunch then have your second dose later...

That might mean that you can only do it on weekends... but it's still better than giving up stuff that you really love forever!

It's all in understanding how stuff works and merging that with your lifestyle... it's possible to do a lot of things by moderating, combining, or timing.....

IMHO, of course.

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On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:08:16 -0700 "Nita Sage" writes:

I was never told that with a thyroid problem we should not have soy!!! I eat a lot of tofu, for the protein. See how much I still have to learn. Are there any other things I should not be eating?

Nita Sage

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We've set up a page on the Phoenix site of the ones that we know about.... it will help you make choices on what you are comfortable with eating and what you can't give up.... I still eat some stuff that we shouldn't but what I do is eat that 'naughty' about an hour before I dose (I multi-dose my thyroid 6 times a day... my body is still in rough shape) and I don't seem to have much in the way of problems.... I'm still pretty sensitive.. if I miss a dose by more than an hour to an hour and a half I get the sleepies.. so if the goitrogens were bothering the doses I were taking after eating them I'd know it.....

Perhaps, if you do a second dose in the afternoon (if you are on naturals - with synthetics it doesn't help much) you can eat the no-no for lunch then have your second dose later...

That might mean that you can only do it on weekends... but it's still better than giving up stuff that you really love forever!

It's all in understanding how stuff works and merging that with your lifestyle... it's possible to do a lot of things by moderating, combining, or timing.....

IMHO, of course.

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www.thyrophoenix.com/bad_foods.htm

On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:08:16 -0700 "Nita Sage" writes:

I was never told that with a thyroid problem we should not have soy!!! I eat a lot of tofu, for the protein. See how much I still have to learn. Are there any other things I should not be eating?

Nita Sage

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Hi, ,

I haven't found any non-dairy creamers, liquid or dry, that do not

have soy or soy derivatives in them. I use milk most of the time and real

cream when I can get it.

Dianne

At 07:49 AM 8/5/04, you wrote:

>Hello all,

>

>Just this morning when I was making my coffee, I noticed my powdered

>coffee creamer was running very low. So I looked at the instructions

>to make liquid creamer..... I then noticed the label showed that the

>product contained soy!! This is Kroger Original coffee creamer.

>Hopefully other brands don't contain soy. My

>morning coffee bliss will be ruined. ;)

>

>

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You really have to listen to your body. Peanuts and peanut butter are

a no no as well BUT ain't gonna stop me from eating it. Someone

posted a list of foods on the about.com mb you should avoid. Let me

know if you want it posted here.

Louise

> We've set up a page on the Phoenix site of the ones that we know

> about.... it will help you make choices on what you are comfortable

with

> eating and what you can't give up.... I still eat some stuff that we

> shouldn't but what I do is eat that 'naughty' about an hour before

I dose

> (I multi-dose my thyroid 6 times a day... my body is still in rough

> shape) and I don't seem to have much in the way of problems.... I'm

still

> pretty sensitive.. if I miss a dose by more than an hour to an hour

and a

> half I get the sleepies.. so if the goitrogens were bothering the

doses I

> were taking after eating them I'd know it.....

>

> Perhaps, if you do a second dose in the afternoon (if you are on

naturals

> - with synthetics it doesn't help much) you can eat the no-no for

lunch

> then have your second dose later...

>

> That might mean that you can only do it on weekends... but it's

still

> better than giving up stuff that you really love forever!

>

> It's all in understanding how stuff works and merging that with your

> lifestyle... it's possible to do a lot of things by moderating,

> combining, or timing.....

>

> IMHO, of course.

>

> Topper ()

> www.thyrophoenix.com/bad_foods.htm

>

>

> On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:08:16 -0700 " Nita Sage " <1nana1@c...> writes:

> I was never told that with a thyroid problem we should not have

soy!!!

> I eat a lot of tofu, for the protein. See how much I still have to

learn.

> Are there any other things I should not be eating?

>

> Nita Sage

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here is it:

Here is some of the information I have collected on goitrogenic

foods.

Keep in mind that moderate consumption of goitrogenic foods is

probably going to be okay. Cooking reduces the effect in most

(exception is millet). If you have been eating some of these foods

on a regular basis, then your meds are adjustedwith that intake

already factored in. You do not have to avoid all of this list.

BTW, it is the isoflavones in soy that is a problem for thyroid

hormone -- soy oil has no isoflavones. It should not be a problem

unless a person has a sensitivity to soy itself.

Goitrogens:

Almond Seeds

Babassu

Bamboo Shoots

Broccoli

Brussel Sprouts

Cabbage

Canola Oil

Cauliflower

Cassava

Horseradish

Kale

Kohlrabi

Lima Beans

Maize

Millet

Maize

Milk (see below)

Mustard

Peaches

Peanuts

Pinenuts

Radishes

Rape seed

Rutabaga

Sorghum

Soybean and soy products

Spinach

Strawberries

Sulphur-containing compounds (even some water supplies)

Sweet potatoes

Tofu

Turnips

Walnuts (listed as interfering with thyroid meds on several thyroxine

prescribing information inserts)

Cattle may ingest goitrogens and pass to humans through milk.

Substances which increase fecal bulk can cause excess loss of T4.

Iodine supplements or kelp products (should be avoided for autoimmune

patients) Note: There is debate on whether to add or avoid iodine-

containing products.

Calcium, iron, anti-acids (like Tums/Mylanta) should be taken 2-4

hours away from thyroid meds as they interfere with absorption.

Note: Cooking does seem to deactivate the isoflavones in most

goitrogenic foods (except millet) -- so eating some of the foods

above in moderation is usually okay if they are well cooked. Even

raw, most people will not be affected by small amounts of goitrogenic

foods. But some may be ultra-sensitive to one or more on the list.

References for goitrogenic lists:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george & dbid=47

http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter5/5a-2.htm

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/thyroid-drug-faq.htm#

url:http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/natural/goi.htm)

url:http://www.ithyroid.com/goitrogens.htm)

" Cyanoglucosides are naturally occurring goitrogens that are digested

to release cyanide, which is converted to thiocyanate. Thiocyanate

inhibits iodide transport in the thyroid and, at higher levels,

inhibits organification. Foods that contain cyanoglucosides include

cassava, lima beans, maize, bamboo shoots, and sweet potatoes.

Thioglucosides are natural goitrogens found in the Cruciferae family

of vegetables and weeds eaten by animals. When digested, they release

thiocyanate and isothiocyanate, which have thionamidelike properties

and are passed to humans via milk ingestion. "

http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic916.htm

" A combination of low iodine intake and high intake of goitrogenic

foods increases the likelihood of goiter.24 25

Nutrient deficiencies, including zinc,26 manganese 27 and vitamin

A,28 29 and severe protein malnutrition30 also contribute to an

inability to use iodine well and to the development of goiter.31 32

In the presence of adequate iodine supplies, it is less common for

such factors to cause goiter;33 34 however, when iodine intake

becomes deficient, even mild malnutrition can have such a negative

impact on thyroid function.35 36 High levels of minerals such as

calcium and magnesium, and certain bacteria in drinking water, have

also been shown to be goitrogenic.37 38 Therefore, proper nutrition

and a healthy water supply are crucial in the prevention and

treatment of goiter. "

http://www.puritan.com/vf/healthnotes/HN75_english

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here is it:

Here is some of the information I have collected on goitrogenic

foods.

Keep in mind that moderate consumption of goitrogenic foods is

probably going to be okay. Cooking reduces the effect in most

(exception is millet). If you have been eating some of these foods

on a regular basis, then your meds are adjustedwith that intake

already factored in. You do not have to avoid all of this list.

BTW, it is the isoflavones in soy that is a problem for thyroid

hormone -- soy oil has no isoflavones. It should not be a problem

unless a person has a sensitivity to soy itself.

Goitrogens:

Almond Seeds

Babassu

Bamboo Shoots

Broccoli

Brussel Sprouts

Cabbage

Canola Oil

Cauliflower

Cassava

Horseradish

Kale

Kohlrabi

Lima Beans

Maize

Millet

Maize

Milk (see below)

Mustard

Peaches

Peanuts

Pinenuts

Radishes

Rape seed

Rutabaga

Sorghum

Soybean and soy products

Spinach

Strawberries

Sulphur-containing compounds (even some water supplies)

Sweet potatoes

Tofu

Turnips

Walnuts (listed as interfering with thyroid meds on several thyroxine

prescribing information inserts)

Cattle may ingest goitrogens and pass to humans through milk.

Substances which increase fecal bulk can cause excess loss of T4.

Iodine supplements or kelp products (should be avoided for autoimmune

patients) Note: There is debate on whether to add or avoid iodine-

containing products.

Calcium, iron, anti-acids (like Tums/Mylanta) should be taken 2-4

hours away from thyroid meds as they interfere with absorption.

Note: Cooking does seem to deactivate the isoflavones in most

goitrogenic foods (except millet) -- so eating some of the foods

above in moderation is usually okay if they are well cooked. Even

raw, most people will not be affected by small amounts of goitrogenic

foods. But some may be ultra-sensitive to one or more on the list.

References for goitrogenic lists:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george & dbid=47

http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter5/5a-2.htm

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/thyroid-drug-faq.htm#

url:http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/natural/goi.htm)

url:http://www.ithyroid.com/goitrogens.htm)

" Cyanoglucosides are naturally occurring goitrogens that are digested

to release cyanide, which is converted to thiocyanate. Thiocyanate

inhibits iodide transport in the thyroid and, at higher levels,

inhibits organification. Foods that contain cyanoglucosides include

cassava, lima beans, maize, bamboo shoots, and sweet potatoes.

Thioglucosides are natural goitrogens found in the Cruciferae family

of vegetables and weeds eaten by animals. When digested, they release

thiocyanate and isothiocyanate, which have thionamidelike properties

and are passed to humans via milk ingestion. "

http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic916.htm

" A combination of low iodine intake and high intake of goitrogenic

foods increases the likelihood of goiter.24 25

Nutrient deficiencies, including zinc,26 manganese 27 and vitamin

A,28 29 and severe protein malnutrition30 also contribute to an

inability to use iodine well and to the development of goiter.31 32

In the presence of adequate iodine supplies, it is less common for

such factors to cause goiter;33 34 however, when iodine intake

becomes deficient, even mild malnutrition can have such a negative

impact on thyroid function.35 36 High levels of minerals such as

calcium and magnesium, and certain bacteria in drinking water, have

also been shown to be goitrogenic.37 38 Therefore, proper nutrition

and a healthy water supply are crucial in the prevention and

treatment of goiter. "

http://www.puritan.com/vf/healthnotes/HN75_english

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here is it:

Here is some of the information I have collected on goitrogenic

foods.

Keep in mind that moderate consumption of goitrogenic foods is

probably going to be okay. Cooking reduces the effect in most

(exception is millet). If you have been eating some of these foods

on a regular basis, then your meds are adjustedwith that intake

already factored in. You do not have to avoid all of this list.

BTW, it is the isoflavones in soy that is a problem for thyroid

hormone -- soy oil has no isoflavones. It should not be a problem

unless a person has a sensitivity to soy itself.

Goitrogens:

Almond Seeds

Babassu

Bamboo Shoots

Broccoli

Brussel Sprouts

Cabbage

Canola Oil

Cauliflower

Cassava

Horseradish

Kale

Kohlrabi

Lima Beans

Maize

Millet

Maize

Milk (see below)

Mustard

Peaches

Peanuts

Pinenuts

Radishes

Rape seed

Rutabaga

Sorghum

Soybean and soy products

Spinach

Strawberries

Sulphur-containing compounds (even some water supplies)

Sweet potatoes

Tofu

Turnips

Walnuts (listed as interfering with thyroid meds on several thyroxine

prescribing information inserts)

Cattle may ingest goitrogens and pass to humans through milk.

Substances which increase fecal bulk can cause excess loss of T4.

Iodine supplements or kelp products (should be avoided for autoimmune

patients) Note: There is debate on whether to add or avoid iodine-

containing products.

Calcium, iron, anti-acids (like Tums/Mylanta) should be taken 2-4

hours away from thyroid meds as they interfere with absorption.

Note: Cooking does seem to deactivate the isoflavones in most

goitrogenic foods (except millet) -- so eating some of the foods

above in moderation is usually okay if they are well cooked. Even

raw, most people will not be affected by small amounts of goitrogenic

foods. But some may be ultra-sensitive to one or more on the list.

References for goitrogenic lists:

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george & dbid=47

http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter5/5a-2.htm

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/thyroid-drug-faq.htm#

url:http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/natural/goi.htm)

url:http://www.ithyroid.com/goitrogens.htm)

" Cyanoglucosides are naturally occurring goitrogens that are digested

to release cyanide, which is converted to thiocyanate. Thiocyanate

inhibits iodide transport in the thyroid and, at higher levels,

inhibits organification. Foods that contain cyanoglucosides include

cassava, lima beans, maize, bamboo shoots, and sweet potatoes.

Thioglucosides are natural goitrogens found in the Cruciferae family

of vegetables and weeds eaten by animals. When digested, they release

thiocyanate and isothiocyanate, which have thionamidelike properties

and are passed to humans via milk ingestion. "

http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic916.htm

" A combination of low iodine intake and high intake of goitrogenic

foods increases the likelihood of goiter.24 25

Nutrient deficiencies, including zinc,26 manganese 27 and vitamin

A,28 29 and severe protein malnutrition30 also contribute to an

inability to use iodine well and to the development of goiter.31 32

In the presence of adequate iodine supplies, it is less common for

such factors to cause goiter;33 34 however, when iodine intake

becomes deficient, even mild malnutrition can have such a negative

impact on thyroid function.35 36 High levels of minerals such as

calcium and magnesium, and certain bacteria in drinking water, have

also been shown to be goitrogenic.37 38 Therefore, proper nutrition

and a healthy water supply are crucial in the prevention and

treatment of goiter. "

http://www.puritan.com/vf/healthnotes/HN75_english

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You have to be careful and read labels-- I have been finding that

soybean oil is in a lot of foods now. It's in a lot of peanut butter

brands, too.

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You have to be careful and read labels-- I have been finding that

soybean oil is in a lot of foods now. It's in a lot of peanut butter

brands, too.

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I love the creamer in my coffee. Coffeemate used to not have the aluminum

whatever-it's-called in it, but now does. Ya know, I'm like you, it's been

so much a part of me, that I forgot to look at this one. Maybe I didn't

want to know, lol!! I watch for soy also and just never thought about this

one, but will look. I don't know about the soy being in Coffeemate. What I

have right now is a cheap brand called Sam's Choice Extra Rich (Walmart same

thing). Soy bean oil is there at the top of the list, yep. And soy

lecithin is on further doen t'wd the bottom ingredients. Well, I would be

willing to bet that it's in ALL of them. The only reason why I haven't been

using good old Half 'n Half is because you have to refrigerate it, and it

ruins so easily, but it looks like I'll go back to that. I like it better

anyway. I'll just buy a few pints and freeze it, if one ruins. I'm not

going without the creamer, and I LOVE my coffee.

Creamer and Soy

> Hello all,

>

> Just this morning when I was making my coffee, I noticed my powdered

> coffee creamer was running very low. So I looked at the instructions

> to make liquid creamer..... I then noticed the label showed that the

> product contained soy!! This is Kroger Original coffee creamer. I

> was very shocked and, stupidly, have never thought to look at the

> creamer ingredients label. Why I could have thought that creamer

> could be any different than any other product is beyond me. Anyway, I

> did call Kroger up to see exactly why they have soy in their creamer

> and they didn't have an answer but asure they will call back once a

> researcher finds out. I haven't yet made a trip to the grocery today,

> but when I do I will let everyone know which creamers do/don't contain

> soy. If there are any coffee drinkers out there who use creamer,

> beware! I still can't believe I've never looked. I always look for

> products that contain soy as my doctor has always advised me never to

> consume soy products!! Hopefully other brands don't contain soy. My

> morning coffee bliss will be ruined. ;)

>

>

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I love the creamer in my coffee. Coffeemate used to not have the aluminum

whatever-it's-called in it, but now does. Ya know, I'm like you, it's been

so much a part of me, that I forgot to look at this one. Maybe I didn't

want to know, lol!! I watch for soy also and just never thought about this

one, but will look. I don't know about the soy being in Coffeemate. What I

have right now is a cheap brand called Sam's Choice Extra Rich (Walmart same

thing). Soy bean oil is there at the top of the list, yep. And soy

lecithin is on further doen t'wd the bottom ingredients. Well, I would be

willing to bet that it's in ALL of them. The only reason why I haven't been

using good old Half 'n Half is because you have to refrigerate it, and it

ruins so easily, but it looks like I'll go back to that. I like it better

anyway. I'll just buy a few pints and freeze it, if one ruins. I'm not

going without the creamer, and I LOVE my coffee.

Creamer and Soy

> Hello all,

>

> Just this morning when I was making my coffee, I noticed my powdered

> coffee creamer was running very low. So I looked at the instructions

> to make liquid creamer..... I then noticed the label showed that the

> product contained soy!! This is Kroger Original coffee creamer. I

> was very shocked and, stupidly, have never thought to look at the

> creamer ingredients label. Why I could have thought that creamer

> could be any different than any other product is beyond me. Anyway, I

> did call Kroger up to see exactly why they have soy in their creamer

> and they didn't have an answer but asure they will call back once a

> researcher finds out. I haven't yet made a trip to the grocery today,

> but when I do I will let everyone know which creamers do/don't contain

> soy. If there are any coffee drinkers out there who use creamer,

> beware! I still can't believe I've never looked. I always look for

> products that contain soy as my doctor has always advised me never to

> consume soy products!! Hopefully other brands don't contain soy. My

> morning coffee bliss will be ruined. ;)

>

>

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Love ma coffee with cream!!

RE: Creamer and Soy

It's so true. A lot of convenient foods are pretty tricky in their ingredients.

I started putting real cream in my coffee a while back, and ..... wow! When I run out at work and have to use the prepackaged stuff, it never tastes quite as good to me.

Then again, I have my sugar free flavored syrups and have been known to fix myself a latte more afternoons than not.

in LA

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Love ma coffee with cream!!

RE: Creamer and Soy

It's so true. A lot of convenient foods are pretty tricky in their ingredients.

I started putting real cream in my coffee a while back, and ..... wow! When I run out at work and have to use the prepackaged stuff, it never tastes quite as good to me.

Then again, I have my sugar free flavored syrups and have been known to fix myself a latte more afternoons than not.

in LA

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> I love the creamer in my coffee. Coffeemate used to

> not have the aluminum

> whatever-it's-called in it, but now does. Ya know,

> I'm like you, it's been

> so much a part of me, that I forgot to look at this

> one. Maybe I didn't

> want to know, lol!! I watch for soy also and just

> never thought about this

> one, but will look. I don't know about the soy

> being in Coffeemate. What I

> have right now is a cheap brand called Sam's Choice

> Extra Rich (Walmart same

> thing). Soy bean oil is there at the top of the

> list, yep. And soy

> lecithin is on further doen t'wd the bottom

> ingredients. Well, I would be

> willing to bet that it's in ALL of them. The only

> reason why I haven't been

> using good old Half 'n Half is because you have to

> refrigerate it, and it

> ruins so easily, but it looks like I'll go back to

> that. I like it better

> anyway. I'll just buy a few pints and freeze it, if

> one ruins. I'm not

> going without the creamer, and I LOVE my coffee.

>

>

Yeah, I agree . I love the vanilla flavored

creamer in my coffee or a scoop of hot chocolate mix,

or both. For half & half, why not get a small ice

cube tray and pour the amount you want in the tray and

freeze it into cubes. Pop them into a zip baggie in

the freezer and then pop one into your coffee when you

pour it. Cools your coffee a bit and no soured cream

to throw out.

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So which soy as an ingredient is okay????

I found out that Extra Creamy Cremora has no soy!!! It's more

expensive than the storebrand, but it has no soy! There are always

other storebrands to look for. They all taste the same to me, so why

pay more money?

That list is terrible. I love Broccoli. I'm not going to stop eating

that.

Still no word from Kroger's. I knew this would happen. Call-centers

only play by numbers and their poor employees suffer. I have found

out, though, that it's possible to make creamer without soy in it due

to my Cremora.

If I happen to wander over to the creamer section in another store, I

will post the brands that have no soy in them.

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So which soy as an ingredient is okay????

I found out that Extra Creamy Cremora has no soy!!! It's more

expensive than the storebrand, but it has no soy! There are always

other storebrands to look for. They all taste the same to me, so why

pay more money?

That list is terrible. I love Broccoli. I'm not going to stop eating

that.

Still no word from Kroger's. I knew this would happen. Call-centers

only play by numbers and their poor employees suffer. I have found

out, though, that it's possible to make creamer without soy in it due

to my Cremora.

If I happen to wander over to the creamer section in another store, I

will post the brands that have no soy in them.

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So which soy as an ingredient is okay????

I found out that Extra Creamy Cremora has no soy!!! It's more

expensive than the storebrand, but it has no soy! There are always

other storebrands to look for. They all taste the same to me, so why

pay more money?

That list is terrible. I love Broccoli. I'm not going to stop eating

that.

Still no word from Kroger's. I knew this would happen. Call-centers

only play by numbers and their poor employees suffer. I have found

out, though, that it's possible to make creamer without soy in it due

to my Cremora.

If I happen to wander over to the creamer section in another store, I

will post the brands that have no soy in them.

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I did a search on about.com for soy formula and came back with some

things. Here is one of them. (And remember there is a genetic link

with thyroid problems.)

I would look for an alternative formula:

A Look at the Dangers of Soy to the Health of Your Thyroid

Health and nutrition magazines tout the benefits of soy as a cure-all

for women's health, hormonal problems, cancer prevention, weight

loss, and many other problems. The reality, however, is that

promotion of soy may be more a matter of business and marketing,

rather than recommendations based on sound scientific evidence.

Isoflavones, the key components of soy that make them so potent as a

posible substitute for hormone replacement, mean that soy products,

while touted as foods and nutritional products -- often are used and

act as like a hormonal drug.

If you have a diagnosed or undiagnosed thyroid problem, or a history

of autoimmune disease, overconsumption of soy isoflavones can

potentially trigger a thyroid condition. Soy foods can worsen an

existing diagnosed thyroid problem in many people. In both cases the

symptoms such as fatigue, weight gain, and depression or moodiness

are often overlooked and hard to diagnose.

A recent study found that as millions of Americans -- perhaps as many

as more than 10 million -- have an undiagnosed thyroid condition. The

vast majority of thyroid patients are women over 40. This is the same

group that, responding to marketing claims that promote soy as

helping to prevent breast cancer, reducing the risk of high

cholesterol or heart disease, or as a treatment for symptoms of

menopause, are turning to soy foods and isoflavone supplements in

vast numbers.

Here is more information regarding soy and its relationship to the

thyroid.

FDA's Soy Experts Speak Out Against Soy

" there is abundant evidence that some of the isoflavones found in

soy, including genistein and equol, a metabolize of daidzen,

demonstrate toxicity in estrogen sensitive tissues and in the

thyroid. This is true for a number of species, including humans.

Additionally, isoflavones are inhibitors of the thyroid peroxidase

which makes T3 and T4. Inhibition can be expected to generate thyroid

abnormalities, including goiter and autoimmune thyroiditis. There

exists a significant body of animal data that demonstrates

goitrogenic and even carcinogenic effects of soy products. Moreover,

there are significant reports of goitrogenic effects from soy

consumption in human infants and adults. "

Official Letter of Protest to the FDA Letter of protest from

researchers Doerge and Sheehan, two of the Food and

Drug Administration's (FDA) key experts on soy, to the FDA,

protesting the health claims approved by the FDA on soy products

America's Foremost Alternative Doctor Warns Re: Soy

America's leading alternative doctor, Dr. Weil, has said about

soy, at his Ask Dr. Weil website

" …you're unlikely to get too many isoflavones as a result of adding

soy foods to your diet -- but you probably will take in too much if

you take soy supplements in pill form. At this point, I can only

recommend that you avoid soy supplements entirely. "

Study Shows That Too Much Tofu Induces Brain Aging

From the Honolulu Star-Bulletin

" A Hawaii study shows a significant statistical relationship between

two or more servings of tofu a week and 'accelerated brain aging' and

even an association with Alzheimer's disease, says Dr. Lon

White. " ...these are not nutrients. They are drugs. They will have

some benefits and some negative things. "

A Look at the Dangers of Soy to the Health of Your Thyroid

Don't Go Overboard With the Soy Foods!

Zava, Ph.D., a biochemist and an experienced breast cancer

researcher stated in an interview:

" In studying the literature on soy I found there are about five types

of plant chemicals in the soybean that can be toxic to humans if they

are not removed by special processing… the fifth antinutrient in

soybeans is called a goitrogen. This is a chemical that latches on to

iodine, preventing it from absorbing into the body from the

gastrointestinal tract. Iodine is needed to make thyroid hormone. Low

thyroid function has been associated with poor brain development.

Anyone who has been deficient in thyroid hormone understands quite

well what impact this can have on normal brain function, especially

at a time in life as we grow older and " fuzzy thinking " creeps into

our vocabulary. "

North American Menopause Society Won't Endorse Soy Products

In a press statement, the North American Menopause Society has said:

" Our review found that scientific data are inconclusive regarding

whether the observed health effects in humans are attributable to

isoflavones alone or to isoflavones plus other components in whole

foods… women may wish to consume whole foods that contain

isoflavones, especially for potential cardiovascular benefits.

However, scientific data supporting the use of isoflavones for hot

flashes are conflicting, and inadequate data exist to evaluate their

effect on breast and other female cancers, bone mass and vaginal

dryness… Our evaluation also pointed out that a level of caution

needs to be observed, especially in the use of isoflavone

supplements, powders and pills…More studies documenting benefits and

safety need to be conducted. "

Research Shows Soy's Effects

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol 68, 1431S-1435S, " Effects

of soy-protein supplementation on epithelial proliferation in the

histologically normal human breast " -- Study showed that short-term

use of dietary soy stimulated breast cell proliferation, which can

increase the risk of breast cancer.

Anti-thyroid isoflavones from soybean -- November 1997 article from

Biochem Pharmacol in which " it was observed that an … extract of

soybeans contains compounds that inhibit thyroid peroxidase- (TPO)

catalyzed reactions essential to thyroid hormone synthesis. "

Breast and soy-formula feedings in early infancy and the prevalence

of autoimmune thyroid disease in children. -- April 1998 article from

the J Am Coll Nutr. that documents the association of soy formula

feedings in infancy and autoimmune thyroid disease.

A Look at the Dangers of Soy to the Health of Your Thyroid

Leading Expert Warns of Soy-Thyroid Connection in Bestselling Book

In the bestselling book Living Well With Hypothyroidism: What Your

Doctor Doesn't Tell You … That You Need to Know, leading soy expert

Dr. Mike Fitzpatrick was profiled.

" Dr. Mike Fitzpatrick is an environmental scientist and phytoestrogen

researcher who has extensively researched the issue of soy formulas,

and the impact of soy consumption on thyroid function. Dr.

Fitzpatrick introduced me to a little-known fact that can have

substantial impact on people with hypothyroidism and the population

in general -- overconsumption of soy products has the potential to

impair thyroid function. Dr. Fitzpatrick is so concerned that he is

calling for soy formula manufacturers to remove the isoflavones --

the agents that are most active against the thyroid -- from their

products. .. There are also concerns for adult consumption of soy

products. One UK study involving premenopausal women gave 60 grams of

soy protein per day for one month. This was found to disrupt the

menstrual cycle, with the effects of the isoflavones continuing for a

full three months after stopping the soy in the diet. Another study

found that intake of soy over a long period causes enlargement of the

thyroid and suppresses thyroid function. Isoflavones are also known

to modify fertility and change sex hormone status, and to have

serious health effects -- including infertility, thyroid disease or

liver disease -- on a number of mammals… Dr. Fitzpatrick believes

that people with hypothyroidism should seriously consider avoiding

soy products, and predicts the current promotion of soy as a health

food will result in an increase in thyroid disorders. "

Soy Researcher is Even 'Very Concerned'

" 'There's a tendency in our culture to think if a little is good,

then a lot's better,' says , a soy researcher at Wake

Forest University School of Medicine in Winston-Salem, N.C. 'But I

personally am very concerned about isoflavone pills and soy protein

supplemented with extra isoflavones.' Isoflavones, after all, seem to

act like hormones or drugs in our body--even if for regulatory

purposes they are classified as nutritional supplements. "

(From " In Light of Troubling Study on Soy, Moderation Seen as Key, "

LA Times, Monday, March 27, 2000)

> Scary! I was diagnosed with a Goiter at 18. I have two daughters

ages 2 and

3 that can only have Soy since birth, not even breast milk. Gives

them tummy problems. Hope I don't hand the wonderful world of

Thyroid down to them like my grandmother gave me.

> Kim

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I did a search on about.com for soy formula and came back with some

things. Here is one of them. (And remember there is a genetic link

with thyroid problems.)

I would look for an alternative formula:

A Look at the Dangers of Soy to the Health of Your Thyroid

Health and nutrition magazines tout the benefits of soy as a cure-all

for women's health, hormonal problems, cancer prevention, weight

loss, and many other problems. The reality, however, is that

promotion of soy may be more a matter of business and marketing,

rather than recommendations based on sound scientific evidence.

Isoflavones, the key components of soy that make them so potent as a

posible substitute for hormone replacement, mean that soy products,

while touted as foods and nutritional products -- often are used and

act as like a hormonal drug.

If you have a diagnosed or undiagnosed thyroid problem, or a history

of autoimmune disease, overconsumption of soy isoflavones can

potentially trigger a thyroid condition. Soy foods can worsen an

existing diagnosed thyroid problem in many people. In both cases the

symptoms such as fatigue, weight gain, and depression or moodiness

are often overlooked and hard to diagnose.

A recent study found that as millions of Americans -- perhaps as many

as more than 10 million -- have an undiagnosed thyroid condition. The

vast majority of thyroid patients are women over 40. This is the same

group that, responding to marketing claims that promote soy as

helping to prevent breast cancer, reducing the risk of high

cholesterol or heart disease, or as a treatment for symptoms of

menopause, are turning to soy foods and isoflavone supplements in

vast numbers.

Here is more information regarding soy and its relationship to the

thyroid.

FDA's Soy Experts Speak Out Against Soy

" there is abundant evidence that some of the isoflavones found in

soy, including genistein and equol, a metabolize of daidzen,

demonstrate toxicity in estrogen sensitive tissues and in the

thyroid. This is true for a number of species, including humans.

Additionally, isoflavones are inhibitors of the thyroid peroxidase

which makes T3 and T4. Inhibition can be expected to generate thyroid

abnormalities, including goiter and autoimmune thyroiditis. There

exists a significant body of animal data that demonstrates

goitrogenic and even carcinogenic effects of soy products. Moreover,

there are significant reports of goitrogenic effects from soy

consumption in human infants and adults. "

Official Letter of Protest to the FDA Letter of protest from

researchers Doerge and Sheehan, two of the Food and

Drug Administration's (FDA) key experts on soy, to the FDA,

protesting the health claims approved by the FDA on soy products

America's Foremost Alternative Doctor Warns Re: Soy

America's leading alternative doctor, Dr. Weil, has said about

soy, at his Ask Dr. Weil website

" …you're unlikely to get too many isoflavones as a result of adding

soy foods to your diet -- but you probably will take in too much if

you take soy supplements in pill form. At this point, I can only

recommend that you avoid soy supplements entirely. "

Study Shows That Too Much Tofu Induces Brain Aging

From the Honolulu Star-Bulletin

" A Hawaii study shows a significant statistical relationship between

two or more servings of tofu a week and 'accelerated brain aging' and

even an association with Alzheimer's disease, says Dr. Lon

White. " ...these are not nutrients. They are drugs. They will have

some benefits and some negative things. "

A Look at the Dangers of Soy to the Health of Your Thyroid

Don't Go Overboard With the Soy Foods!

Zava, Ph.D., a biochemist and an experienced breast cancer

researcher stated in an interview:

" In studying the literature on soy I found there are about five types

of plant chemicals in the soybean that can be toxic to humans if they

are not removed by special processing… the fifth antinutrient in

soybeans is called a goitrogen. This is a chemical that latches on to

iodine, preventing it from absorbing into the body from the

gastrointestinal tract. Iodine is needed to make thyroid hormone. Low

thyroid function has been associated with poor brain development.

Anyone who has been deficient in thyroid hormone understands quite

well what impact this can have on normal brain function, especially

at a time in life as we grow older and " fuzzy thinking " creeps into

our vocabulary. "

North American Menopause Society Won't Endorse Soy Products

In a press statement, the North American Menopause Society has said:

" Our review found that scientific data are inconclusive regarding

whether the observed health effects in humans are attributable to

isoflavones alone or to isoflavones plus other components in whole

foods… women may wish to consume whole foods that contain

isoflavones, especially for potential cardiovascular benefits.

However, scientific data supporting the use of isoflavones for hot

flashes are conflicting, and inadequate data exist to evaluate their

effect on breast and other female cancers, bone mass and vaginal

dryness… Our evaluation also pointed out that a level of caution

needs to be observed, especially in the use of isoflavone

supplements, powders and pills…More studies documenting benefits and

safety need to be conducted. "

Research Shows Soy's Effects

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol 68, 1431S-1435S, " Effects

of soy-protein supplementation on epithelial proliferation in the

histologically normal human breast " -- Study showed that short-term

use of dietary soy stimulated breast cell proliferation, which can

increase the risk of breast cancer.

Anti-thyroid isoflavones from soybean -- November 1997 article from

Biochem Pharmacol in which " it was observed that an … extract of

soybeans contains compounds that inhibit thyroid peroxidase- (TPO)

catalyzed reactions essential to thyroid hormone synthesis. "

Breast and soy-formula feedings in early infancy and the prevalence

of autoimmune thyroid disease in children. -- April 1998 article from

the J Am Coll Nutr. that documents the association of soy formula

feedings in infancy and autoimmune thyroid disease.

A Look at the Dangers of Soy to the Health of Your Thyroid

Leading Expert Warns of Soy-Thyroid Connection in Bestselling Book

In the bestselling book Living Well With Hypothyroidism: What Your

Doctor Doesn't Tell You … That You Need to Know, leading soy expert

Dr. Mike Fitzpatrick was profiled.

" Dr. Mike Fitzpatrick is an environmental scientist and phytoestrogen

researcher who has extensively researched the issue of soy formulas,

and the impact of soy consumption on thyroid function. Dr.

Fitzpatrick introduced me to a little-known fact that can have

substantial impact on people with hypothyroidism and the population

in general -- overconsumption of soy products has the potential to

impair thyroid function. Dr. Fitzpatrick is so concerned that he is

calling for soy formula manufacturers to remove the isoflavones --

the agents that are most active against the thyroid -- from their

products. .. There are also concerns for adult consumption of soy

products. One UK study involving premenopausal women gave 60 grams of

soy protein per day for one month. This was found to disrupt the

menstrual cycle, with the effects of the isoflavones continuing for a

full three months after stopping the soy in the diet. Another study

found that intake of soy over a long period causes enlargement of the

thyroid and suppresses thyroid function. Isoflavones are also known

to modify fertility and change sex hormone status, and to have

serious health effects -- including infertility, thyroid disease or

liver disease -- on a number of mammals… Dr. Fitzpatrick believes

that people with hypothyroidism should seriously consider avoiding

soy products, and predicts the current promotion of soy as a health

food will result in an increase in thyroid disorders. "

Soy Researcher is Even 'Very Concerned'

" 'There's a tendency in our culture to think if a little is good,

then a lot's better,' says , a soy researcher at Wake

Forest University School of Medicine in Winston-Salem, N.C. 'But I

personally am very concerned about isoflavone pills and soy protein

supplemented with extra isoflavones.' Isoflavones, after all, seem to

act like hormones or drugs in our body--even if for regulatory

purposes they are classified as nutritional supplements. "

(From " In Light of Troubling Study on Soy, Moderation Seen as Key, "

LA Times, Monday, March 27, 2000)

> Scary! I was diagnosed with a Goiter at 18. I have two daughters

ages 2 and

3 that can only have Soy since birth, not even breast milk. Gives

them tummy problems. Hope I don't hand the wonderful world of

Thyroid down to them like my grandmother gave me.

> Kim

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Other foods containing fermented soy are miso paste and tempeh.

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Fermented Soy, soy sauce, is okay. The fermentation process alters it

so that it is no longer a binder.

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Other foods containing fermented soy are miso paste and tempeh.

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Fermented Soy, soy sauce, is okay. The fermentation process alters it

so that it is no longer a binder.

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