Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 It's so true. A lot of convenient foods are pretty tricky in their ingredients. I started putting real cream in my coffee a while back, and ..... wow! When I run out at work and have to use the prepackaged stuff, it never tastes quite as good to me. Then again, I have my sugar free flavored syrups and have been known to fix myself a latte more afternoons than not. in LA > >Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >Subject: Creamer and Soy >Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:49:36 -0000 > >Hello all, > >Just this morning when I was making my coffee, I noticed my powdered >coffee creamer was running very low. So I looked at the instructions >to make liquid creamer..... I then noticed the label showed that the >product contained soy!! This is Kroger Original coffee creamer. I >was very shocked and, stupidly, have never thought to look at the >creamer ingredients label. Why I could have thought that creamer >could be any different than any other product is beyond me. Anyway, I >did call Kroger up to see exactly why they have soy in their creamer >and they didn't have an answer but asure they will call back once a >researcher finds out. I haven't yet made a trip to the grocery today, >but when I do I will let everyone know which creamers do/don't contain >soy. If there are any coffee drinkers out there who use creamer, >beware! I still can't believe I've never looked. I always look for >products that contain soy as my doctor has always advised me never to >consume soy products!! Hopefully other brands don't contain soy. My >morning coffee bliss will be ruined. > > Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 It's so true. A lot of convenient foods are pretty tricky in their ingredients. I started putting real cream in my coffee a while back, and ..... wow! When I run out at work and have to use the prepackaged stuff, it never tastes quite as good to me. Then again, I have my sugar free flavored syrups and have been known to fix myself a latte more afternoons than not. in LA > >Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >Subject: Creamer and Soy >Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:49:36 -0000 > >Hello all, > >Just this morning when I was making my coffee, I noticed my powdered >coffee creamer was running very low. So I looked at the instructions >to make liquid creamer..... I then noticed the label showed that the >product contained soy!! This is Kroger Original coffee creamer. I >was very shocked and, stupidly, have never thought to look at the >creamer ingredients label. Why I could have thought that creamer >could be any different than any other product is beyond me. Anyway, I >did call Kroger up to see exactly why they have soy in their creamer >and they didn't have an answer but asure they will call back once a >researcher finds out. I haven't yet made a trip to the grocery today, >but when I do I will let everyone know which creamers do/don't contain >soy. If there are any coffee drinkers out there who use creamer, >beware! I still can't believe I've never looked. I always look for >products that contain soy as my doctor has always advised me never to >consume soy products!! Hopefully other brands don't contain soy. My >morning coffee bliss will be ruined. > > Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 It's so true. A lot of convenient foods are pretty tricky in their ingredients. I started putting real cream in my coffee a while back, and ..... wow! When I run out at work and have to use the prepackaged stuff, it never tastes quite as good to me. Then again, I have my sugar free flavored syrups and have been known to fix myself a latte more afternoons than not. in LA > >Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >Subject: Creamer and Soy >Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:49:36 -0000 > >Hello all, > >Just this morning when I was making my coffee, I noticed my powdered >coffee creamer was running very low. So I looked at the instructions >to make liquid creamer..... I then noticed the label showed that the >product contained soy!! This is Kroger Original coffee creamer. I >was very shocked and, stupidly, have never thought to look at the >creamer ingredients label. Why I could have thought that creamer >could be any different than any other product is beyond me. Anyway, I >did call Kroger up to see exactly why they have soy in their creamer >and they didn't have an answer but asure they will call back once a >researcher finds out. I haven't yet made a trip to the grocery today, >but when I do I will let everyone know which creamers do/don't contain >soy. If there are any coffee drinkers out there who use creamer, >beware! I still can't believe I've never looked. I always look for >products that contain soy as my doctor has always advised me never to >consume soy products!! Hopefully other brands don't contain soy. My >morning coffee bliss will be ruined. > > Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 I was never told that with a thyroid problem we should not have soy!!! I eat a lot of tofu, for the protein. See how much I still have to learn. Are there any other things I should not be eating? Nita Sage Creamer and Soy >Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 14:49:36 -0000 > >Hello all, > >Just this morning when I was making my coffee, I noticed my powdered >coffee creamer was running very low. So I looked at the instructions >to make liquid creamer..... I then noticed the label showed that the >product contained soy!! This is Kroger Original coffee creamer. I >was very shocked and, stupidly, have never thought to look at the >creamer ingredients label. Why I could have thought that creamer >could be any different than any other product is beyond me. Anyway, I >did call Kroger up to see exactly why they have soy in their creamer >and they didn't have an answer but asure they will call back once a >researcher finds out. I haven't yet made a trip to the grocery today, >but when I do I will let everyone know which creamers do/don't contain >soy. If there are any coffee drinkers out there who use creamer, >beware! I still can't believe I've never looked. I always look for >products that contain soy as my doctor has always advised me never to >consume soy products!! Hopefully other brands don't contain soy. My >morning coffee bliss will be ruined. > > Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 We've set up a page on the Phoenix site of the ones that we know about.... it will help you make choices on what you are comfortable with eating and what you can't give up.... I still eat some stuff that we shouldn't but what I do is eat that 'naughty' about an hour before I dose (I multi-dose my thyroid 6 times a day... my body is still in rough shape) and I don't seem to have much in the way of problems.... I'm still pretty sensitive.. if I miss a dose by more than an hour to an hour and a half I get the sleepies.. so if the goitrogens were bothering the doses I were taking after eating them I'd know it..... Perhaps, if you do a second dose in the afternoon (if you are on naturals - with synthetics it doesn't help much) you can eat the no-no for lunch then have your second dose later... That might mean that you can only do it on weekends... but it's still better than giving up stuff that you really love forever! It's all in understanding how stuff works and merging that with your lifestyle... it's possible to do a lot of things by moderating, combining, or timing..... IMHO, of course. Topper () www.thyrophoenix.com/bad_foods.htm On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:08:16 -0700 "Nita Sage" writes: I was never told that with a thyroid problem we should not have soy!!! I eat a lot of tofu, for the protein. See how much I still have to learn. Are there any other things I should not be eating? Nita Sage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 We've set up a page on the Phoenix site of the ones that we know about.... it will help you make choices on what you are comfortable with eating and what you can't give up.... I still eat some stuff that we shouldn't but what I do is eat that 'naughty' about an hour before I dose (I multi-dose my thyroid 6 times a day... my body is still in rough shape) and I don't seem to have much in the way of problems.... I'm still pretty sensitive.. if I miss a dose by more than an hour to an hour and a half I get the sleepies.. so if the goitrogens were bothering the doses I were taking after eating them I'd know it..... Perhaps, if you do a second dose in the afternoon (if you are on naturals - with synthetics it doesn't help much) you can eat the no-no for lunch then have your second dose later... That might mean that you can only do it on weekends... but it's still better than giving up stuff that you really love forever! It's all in understanding how stuff works and merging that with your lifestyle... it's possible to do a lot of things by moderating, combining, or timing..... IMHO, of course. Topper () www.thyrophoenix.com/bad_foods.htm On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:08:16 -0700 "Nita Sage" writes: I was never told that with a thyroid problem we should not have soy!!! I eat a lot of tofu, for the protein. See how much I still have to learn. Are there any other things I should not be eating? Nita Sage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 Hi, , I haven't found any non-dairy creamers, liquid or dry, that do not have soy or soy derivatives in them. I use milk most of the time and real cream when I can get it. Dianne At 07:49 AM 8/5/04, you wrote: >Hello all, > >Just this morning when I was making my coffee, I noticed my powdered >coffee creamer was running very low. So I looked at the instructions >to make liquid creamer..... I then noticed the label showed that the >product contained soy!! This is Kroger Original coffee creamer. >Hopefully other brands don't contain soy. My >morning coffee bliss will be ruined. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 You really have to listen to your body. Peanuts and peanut butter are a no no as well BUT ain't gonna stop me from eating it. Someone posted a list of foods on the about.com mb you should avoid. Let me know if you want it posted here. Louise > We've set up a page on the Phoenix site of the ones that we know > about.... it will help you make choices on what you are comfortable with > eating and what you can't give up.... I still eat some stuff that we > shouldn't but what I do is eat that 'naughty' about an hour before I dose > (I multi-dose my thyroid 6 times a day... my body is still in rough > shape) and I don't seem to have much in the way of problems.... I'm still > pretty sensitive.. if I miss a dose by more than an hour to an hour and a > half I get the sleepies.. so if the goitrogens were bothering the doses I > were taking after eating them I'd know it..... > > Perhaps, if you do a second dose in the afternoon (if you are on naturals > - with synthetics it doesn't help much) you can eat the no-no for lunch > then have your second dose later... > > That might mean that you can only do it on weekends... but it's still > better than giving up stuff that you really love forever! > > It's all in understanding how stuff works and merging that with your > lifestyle... it's possible to do a lot of things by moderating, > combining, or timing..... > > IMHO, of course. > > Topper () > www.thyrophoenix.com/bad_foods.htm > > > On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:08:16 -0700 " Nita Sage " <1nana1@c...> writes: > I was never told that with a thyroid problem we should not have soy!!! > I eat a lot of tofu, for the protein. See how much I still have to learn. > Are there any other things I should not be eating? > > Nita Sage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 here is it: Here is some of the information I have collected on goitrogenic foods. Keep in mind that moderate consumption of goitrogenic foods is probably going to be okay. Cooking reduces the effect in most (exception is millet). If you have been eating some of these foods on a regular basis, then your meds are adjustedwith that intake already factored in. You do not have to avoid all of this list. BTW, it is the isoflavones in soy that is a problem for thyroid hormone -- soy oil has no isoflavones. It should not be a problem unless a person has a sensitivity to soy itself. Goitrogens: Almond Seeds Babassu Bamboo Shoots Broccoli Brussel Sprouts Cabbage Canola Oil Cauliflower Cassava Horseradish Kale Kohlrabi Lima Beans Maize Millet Maize Milk (see below) Mustard Peaches Peanuts Pinenuts Radishes Rape seed Rutabaga Sorghum Soybean and soy products Spinach Strawberries Sulphur-containing compounds (even some water supplies) Sweet potatoes Tofu Turnips Walnuts (listed as interfering with thyroid meds on several thyroxine prescribing information inserts) Cattle may ingest goitrogens and pass to humans through milk. Substances which increase fecal bulk can cause excess loss of T4. Iodine supplements or kelp products (should be avoided for autoimmune patients) Note: There is debate on whether to add or avoid iodine- containing products. Calcium, iron, anti-acids (like Tums/Mylanta) should be taken 2-4 hours away from thyroid meds as they interfere with absorption. Note: Cooking does seem to deactivate the isoflavones in most goitrogenic foods (except millet) -- so eating some of the foods above in moderation is usually okay if they are well cooked. Even raw, most people will not be affected by small amounts of goitrogenic foods. But some may be ultra-sensitive to one or more on the list. References for goitrogenic lists: http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george & dbid=47 http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter5/5a-2.htm http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/thyroid-drug-faq.htm# url:http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/natural/goi.htm) url:http://www.ithyroid.com/goitrogens.htm) " Cyanoglucosides are naturally occurring goitrogens that are digested to release cyanide, which is converted to thiocyanate. Thiocyanate inhibits iodide transport in the thyroid and, at higher levels, inhibits organification. Foods that contain cyanoglucosides include cassava, lima beans, maize, bamboo shoots, and sweet potatoes. Thioglucosides are natural goitrogens found in the Cruciferae family of vegetables and weeds eaten by animals. When digested, they release thiocyanate and isothiocyanate, which have thionamidelike properties and are passed to humans via milk ingestion. " http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic916.htm " A combination of low iodine intake and high intake of goitrogenic foods increases the likelihood of goiter.24 25 Nutrient deficiencies, including zinc,26 manganese 27 and vitamin A,28 29 and severe protein malnutrition30 also contribute to an inability to use iodine well and to the development of goiter.31 32 In the presence of adequate iodine supplies, it is less common for such factors to cause goiter;33 34 however, when iodine intake becomes deficient, even mild malnutrition can have such a negative impact on thyroid function.35 36 High levels of minerals such as calcium and magnesium, and certain bacteria in drinking water, have also been shown to be goitrogenic.37 38 Therefore, proper nutrition and a healthy water supply are crucial in the prevention and treatment of goiter. " http://www.puritan.com/vf/healthnotes/HN75_english Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 here is it: Here is some of the information I have collected on goitrogenic foods. Keep in mind that moderate consumption of goitrogenic foods is probably going to be okay. Cooking reduces the effect in most (exception is millet). If you have been eating some of these foods on a regular basis, then your meds are adjustedwith that intake already factored in. You do not have to avoid all of this list. BTW, it is the isoflavones in soy that is a problem for thyroid hormone -- soy oil has no isoflavones. It should not be a problem unless a person has a sensitivity to soy itself. Goitrogens: Almond Seeds Babassu Bamboo Shoots Broccoli Brussel Sprouts Cabbage Canola Oil Cauliflower Cassava Horseradish Kale Kohlrabi Lima Beans Maize Millet Maize Milk (see below) Mustard Peaches Peanuts Pinenuts Radishes Rape seed Rutabaga Sorghum Soybean and soy products Spinach Strawberries Sulphur-containing compounds (even some water supplies) Sweet potatoes Tofu Turnips Walnuts (listed as interfering with thyroid meds on several thyroxine prescribing information inserts) Cattle may ingest goitrogens and pass to humans through milk. Substances which increase fecal bulk can cause excess loss of T4. Iodine supplements or kelp products (should be avoided for autoimmune patients) Note: There is debate on whether to add or avoid iodine- containing products. Calcium, iron, anti-acids (like Tums/Mylanta) should be taken 2-4 hours away from thyroid meds as they interfere with absorption. Note: Cooking does seem to deactivate the isoflavones in most goitrogenic foods (except millet) -- so eating some of the foods above in moderation is usually okay if they are well cooked. Even raw, most people will not be affected by small amounts of goitrogenic foods. But some may be ultra-sensitive to one or more on the list. References for goitrogenic lists: http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george & dbid=47 http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter5/5a-2.htm http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/thyroid-drug-faq.htm# url:http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/natural/goi.htm) url:http://www.ithyroid.com/goitrogens.htm) " Cyanoglucosides are naturally occurring goitrogens that are digested to release cyanide, which is converted to thiocyanate. Thiocyanate inhibits iodide transport in the thyroid and, at higher levels, inhibits organification. Foods that contain cyanoglucosides include cassava, lima beans, maize, bamboo shoots, and sweet potatoes. Thioglucosides are natural goitrogens found in the Cruciferae family of vegetables and weeds eaten by animals. When digested, they release thiocyanate and isothiocyanate, which have thionamidelike properties and are passed to humans via milk ingestion. " http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic916.htm " A combination of low iodine intake and high intake of goitrogenic foods increases the likelihood of goiter.24 25 Nutrient deficiencies, including zinc,26 manganese 27 and vitamin A,28 29 and severe protein malnutrition30 also contribute to an inability to use iodine well and to the development of goiter.31 32 In the presence of adequate iodine supplies, it is less common for such factors to cause goiter;33 34 however, when iodine intake becomes deficient, even mild malnutrition can have such a negative impact on thyroid function.35 36 High levels of minerals such as calcium and magnesium, and certain bacteria in drinking water, have also been shown to be goitrogenic.37 38 Therefore, proper nutrition and a healthy water supply are crucial in the prevention and treatment of goiter. " http://www.puritan.com/vf/healthnotes/HN75_english Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 here is it: Here is some of the information I have collected on goitrogenic foods. Keep in mind that moderate consumption of goitrogenic foods is probably going to be okay. Cooking reduces the effect in most (exception is millet). If you have been eating some of these foods on a regular basis, then your meds are adjustedwith that intake already factored in. You do not have to avoid all of this list. BTW, it is the isoflavones in soy that is a problem for thyroid hormone -- soy oil has no isoflavones. It should not be a problem unless a person has a sensitivity to soy itself. Goitrogens: Almond Seeds Babassu Bamboo Shoots Broccoli Brussel Sprouts Cabbage Canola Oil Cauliflower Cassava Horseradish Kale Kohlrabi Lima Beans Maize Millet Maize Milk (see below) Mustard Peaches Peanuts Pinenuts Radishes Rape seed Rutabaga Sorghum Soybean and soy products Spinach Strawberries Sulphur-containing compounds (even some water supplies) Sweet potatoes Tofu Turnips Walnuts (listed as interfering with thyroid meds on several thyroxine prescribing information inserts) Cattle may ingest goitrogens and pass to humans through milk. Substances which increase fecal bulk can cause excess loss of T4. Iodine supplements or kelp products (should be avoided for autoimmune patients) Note: There is debate on whether to add or avoid iodine- containing products. Calcium, iron, anti-acids (like Tums/Mylanta) should be taken 2-4 hours away from thyroid meds as they interfere with absorption. Note: Cooking does seem to deactivate the isoflavones in most goitrogenic foods (except millet) -- so eating some of the foods above in moderation is usually okay if they are well cooked. Even raw, most people will not be affected by small amounts of goitrogenic foods. But some may be ultra-sensitive to one or more on the list. References for goitrogenic lists: http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george & dbid=47 http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter5/5a-2.htm http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/thyroid-drug-faq.htm# url:http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/natural/goi.htm) url:http://www.ithyroid.com/goitrogens.htm) " Cyanoglucosides are naturally occurring goitrogens that are digested to release cyanide, which is converted to thiocyanate. Thiocyanate inhibits iodide transport in the thyroid and, at higher levels, inhibits organification. Foods that contain cyanoglucosides include cassava, lima beans, maize, bamboo shoots, and sweet potatoes. Thioglucosides are natural goitrogens found in the Cruciferae family of vegetables and weeds eaten by animals. When digested, they release thiocyanate and isothiocyanate, which have thionamidelike properties and are passed to humans via milk ingestion. " http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic916.htm " A combination of low iodine intake and high intake of goitrogenic foods increases the likelihood of goiter.24 25 Nutrient deficiencies, including zinc,26 manganese 27 and vitamin A,28 29 and severe protein malnutrition30 also contribute to an inability to use iodine well and to the development of goiter.31 32 In the presence of adequate iodine supplies, it is less common for such factors to cause goiter;33 34 however, when iodine intake becomes deficient, even mild malnutrition can have such a negative impact on thyroid function.35 36 High levels of minerals such as calcium and magnesium, and certain bacteria in drinking water, have also been shown to be goitrogenic.37 38 Therefore, proper nutrition and a healthy water supply are crucial in the prevention and treatment of goiter. " http://www.puritan.com/vf/healthnotes/HN75_english Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 You have to be careful and read labels-- I have been finding that soybean oil is in a lot of foods now. It's in a lot of peanut butter brands, too. Doreen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 You have to be careful and read labels-- I have been finding that soybean oil is in a lot of foods now. It's in a lot of peanut butter brands, too. Doreen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 I love the creamer in my coffee. Coffeemate used to not have the aluminum whatever-it's-called in it, but now does. Ya know, I'm like you, it's been so much a part of me, that I forgot to look at this one. Maybe I didn't want to know, lol!! I watch for soy also and just never thought about this one, but will look. I don't know about the soy being in Coffeemate. What I have right now is a cheap brand called Sam's Choice Extra Rich (Walmart same thing). Soy bean oil is there at the top of the list, yep. And soy lecithin is on further doen t'wd the bottom ingredients. Well, I would be willing to bet that it's in ALL of them. The only reason why I haven't been using good old Half 'n Half is because you have to refrigerate it, and it ruins so easily, but it looks like I'll go back to that. I like it better anyway. I'll just buy a few pints and freeze it, if one ruins. I'm not going without the creamer, and I LOVE my coffee. Creamer and Soy > Hello all, > > Just this morning when I was making my coffee, I noticed my powdered > coffee creamer was running very low. So I looked at the instructions > to make liquid creamer..... I then noticed the label showed that the > product contained soy!! This is Kroger Original coffee creamer. I > was very shocked and, stupidly, have never thought to look at the > creamer ingredients label. Why I could have thought that creamer > could be any different than any other product is beyond me. Anyway, I > did call Kroger up to see exactly why they have soy in their creamer > and they didn't have an answer but asure they will call back once a > researcher finds out. I haven't yet made a trip to the grocery today, > but when I do I will let everyone know which creamers do/don't contain > soy. If there are any coffee drinkers out there who use creamer, > beware! I still can't believe I've never looked. I always look for > products that contain soy as my doctor has always advised me never to > consume soy products!! Hopefully other brands don't contain soy. My > morning coffee bliss will be ruined. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 I love the creamer in my coffee. Coffeemate used to not have the aluminum whatever-it's-called in it, but now does. Ya know, I'm like you, it's been so much a part of me, that I forgot to look at this one. Maybe I didn't want to know, lol!! I watch for soy also and just never thought about this one, but will look. I don't know about the soy being in Coffeemate. What I have right now is a cheap brand called Sam's Choice Extra Rich (Walmart same thing). Soy bean oil is there at the top of the list, yep. And soy lecithin is on further doen t'wd the bottom ingredients. Well, I would be willing to bet that it's in ALL of them. The only reason why I haven't been using good old Half 'n Half is because you have to refrigerate it, and it ruins so easily, but it looks like I'll go back to that. I like it better anyway. I'll just buy a few pints and freeze it, if one ruins. I'm not going without the creamer, and I LOVE my coffee. Creamer and Soy > Hello all, > > Just this morning when I was making my coffee, I noticed my powdered > coffee creamer was running very low. So I looked at the instructions > to make liquid creamer..... I then noticed the label showed that the > product contained soy!! This is Kroger Original coffee creamer. I > was very shocked and, stupidly, have never thought to look at the > creamer ingredients label. Why I could have thought that creamer > could be any different than any other product is beyond me. Anyway, I > did call Kroger up to see exactly why they have soy in their creamer > and they didn't have an answer but asure they will call back once a > researcher finds out. I haven't yet made a trip to the grocery today, > but when I do I will let everyone know which creamers do/don't contain > soy. If there are any coffee drinkers out there who use creamer, > beware! I still can't believe I've never looked. I always look for > products that contain soy as my doctor has always advised me never to > consume soy products!! Hopefully other brands don't contain soy. My > morning coffee bliss will be ruined. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Love ma coffee with cream!! RE: Creamer and Soy It's so true. A lot of convenient foods are pretty tricky in their ingredients. I started putting real cream in my coffee a while back, and ..... wow! When I run out at work and have to use the prepackaged stuff, it never tastes quite as good to me. Then again, I have my sugar free flavored syrups and have been known to fix myself a latte more afternoons than not. in LA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Love ma coffee with cream!! RE: Creamer and Soy It's so true. A lot of convenient foods are pretty tricky in their ingredients. I started putting real cream in my coffee a while back, and ..... wow! When I run out at work and have to use the prepackaged stuff, it never tastes quite as good to me. Then again, I have my sugar free flavored syrups and have been known to fix myself a latte more afternoons than not. in LA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 --- wrote: > I love the creamer in my coffee. Coffeemate used to > not have the aluminum > whatever-it's-called in it, but now does. Ya know, > I'm like you, it's been > so much a part of me, that I forgot to look at this > one. Maybe I didn't > want to know, lol!! I watch for soy also and just > never thought about this > one, but will look. I don't know about the soy > being in Coffeemate. What I > have right now is a cheap brand called Sam's Choice > Extra Rich (Walmart same > thing). Soy bean oil is there at the top of the > list, yep. And soy > lecithin is on further doen t'wd the bottom > ingredients. Well, I would be > willing to bet that it's in ALL of them. The only > reason why I haven't been > using good old Half 'n Half is because you have to > refrigerate it, and it > ruins so easily, but it looks like I'll go back to > that. I like it better > anyway. I'll just buy a few pints and freeze it, if > one ruins. I'm not > going without the creamer, and I LOVE my coffee. > > Yeah, I agree . I love the vanilla flavored creamer in my coffee or a scoop of hot chocolate mix, or both. For half & half, why not get a small ice cube tray and pour the amount you want in the tray and freeze it into cubes. Pop them into a zip baggie in the freezer and then pop one into your coffee when you pour it. Cools your coffee a bit and no soured cream to throw out. ===== Kathy >^,,^< KitzCat146@... http://www.heartwarmers4u.com/members/?kitzcat kitzcat2001 on Yahoo Messenger kitzcat on MSN Messenger In a cat's eyes, all things belong to cats. - English Proverb __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 So which soy as an ingredient is okay???? I found out that Extra Creamy Cremora has no soy!!! It's more expensive than the storebrand, but it has no soy! There are always other storebrands to look for. They all taste the same to me, so why pay more money? That list is terrible. I love Broccoli. I'm not going to stop eating that. Still no word from Kroger's. I knew this would happen. Call-centers only play by numbers and their poor employees suffer. I have found out, though, that it's possible to make creamer without soy in it due to my Cremora. If I happen to wander over to the creamer section in another store, I will post the brands that have no soy in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 So which soy as an ingredient is okay???? I found out that Extra Creamy Cremora has no soy!!! It's more expensive than the storebrand, but it has no soy! There are always other storebrands to look for. They all taste the same to me, so why pay more money? That list is terrible. I love Broccoli. I'm not going to stop eating that. Still no word from Kroger's. I knew this would happen. Call-centers only play by numbers and their poor employees suffer. I have found out, though, that it's possible to make creamer without soy in it due to my Cremora. If I happen to wander over to the creamer section in another store, I will post the brands that have no soy in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 So which soy as an ingredient is okay???? I found out that Extra Creamy Cremora has no soy!!! It's more expensive than the storebrand, but it has no soy! There are always other storebrands to look for. They all taste the same to me, so why pay more money? That list is terrible. I love Broccoli. I'm not going to stop eating that. Still no word from Kroger's. I knew this would happen. Call-centers only play by numbers and their poor employees suffer. I have found out, though, that it's possible to make creamer without soy in it due to my Cremora. If I happen to wander over to the creamer section in another store, I will post the brands that have no soy in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 I did a search on about.com for soy formula and came back with some things. Here is one of them. (And remember there is a genetic link with thyroid problems.) I would look for an alternative formula: A Look at the Dangers of Soy to the Health of Your Thyroid Health and nutrition magazines tout the benefits of soy as a cure-all for women's health, hormonal problems, cancer prevention, weight loss, and many other problems. The reality, however, is that promotion of soy may be more a matter of business and marketing, rather than recommendations based on sound scientific evidence. Isoflavones, the key components of soy that make them so potent as a posible substitute for hormone replacement, mean that soy products, while touted as foods and nutritional products -- often are used and act as like a hormonal drug. If you have a diagnosed or undiagnosed thyroid problem, or a history of autoimmune disease, overconsumption of soy isoflavones can potentially trigger a thyroid condition. Soy foods can worsen an existing diagnosed thyroid problem in many people. In both cases the symptoms such as fatigue, weight gain, and depression or moodiness are often overlooked and hard to diagnose. A recent study found that as millions of Americans -- perhaps as many as more than 10 million -- have an undiagnosed thyroid condition. The vast majority of thyroid patients are women over 40. This is the same group that, responding to marketing claims that promote soy as helping to prevent breast cancer, reducing the risk of high cholesterol or heart disease, or as a treatment for symptoms of menopause, are turning to soy foods and isoflavone supplements in vast numbers. Here is more information regarding soy and its relationship to the thyroid. FDA's Soy Experts Speak Out Against Soy " there is abundant evidence that some of the isoflavones found in soy, including genistein and equol, a metabolize of daidzen, demonstrate toxicity in estrogen sensitive tissues and in the thyroid. This is true for a number of species, including humans. Additionally, isoflavones are inhibitors of the thyroid peroxidase which makes T3 and T4. Inhibition can be expected to generate thyroid abnormalities, including goiter and autoimmune thyroiditis. There exists a significant body of animal data that demonstrates goitrogenic and even carcinogenic effects of soy products. Moreover, there are significant reports of goitrogenic effects from soy consumption in human infants and adults. " Official Letter of Protest to the FDA Letter of protest from researchers Doerge and Sheehan, two of the Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) key experts on soy, to the FDA, protesting the health claims approved by the FDA on soy products America's Foremost Alternative Doctor Warns Re: Soy America's leading alternative doctor, Dr. Weil, has said about soy, at his Ask Dr. Weil website " …you're unlikely to get too many isoflavones as a result of adding soy foods to your diet -- but you probably will take in too much if you take soy supplements in pill form. At this point, I can only recommend that you avoid soy supplements entirely. " Study Shows That Too Much Tofu Induces Brain Aging From the Honolulu Star-Bulletin " A Hawaii study shows a significant statistical relationship between two or more servings of tofu a week and 'accelerated brain aging' and even an association with Alzheimer's disease, says Dr. Lon White. " ...these are not nutrients. They are drugs. They will have some benefits and some negative things. " A Look at the Dangers of Soy to the Health of Your Thyroid Don't Go Overboard With the Soy Foods! Zava, Ph.D., a biochemist and an experienced breast cancer researcher stated in an interview: " In studying the literature on soy I found there are about five types of plant chemicals in the soybean that can be toxic to humans if they are not removed by special processing… the fifth antinutrient in soybeans is called a goitrogen. This is a chemical that latches on to iodine, preventing it from absorbing into the body from the gastrointestinal tract. Iodine is needed to make thyroid hormone. Low thyroid function has been associated with poor brain development. Anyone who has been deficient in thyroid hormone understands quite well what impact this can have on normal brain function, especially at a time in life as we grow older and " fuzzy thinking " creeps into our vocabulary. " North American Menopause Society Won't Endorse Soy Products In a press statement, the North American Menopause Society has said: " Our review found that scientific data are inconclusive regarding whether the observed health effects in humans are attributable to isoflavones alone or to isoflavones plus other components in whole foods… women may wish to consume whole foods that contain isoflavones, especially for potential cardiovascular benefits. However, scientific data supporting the use of isoflavones for hot flashes are conflicting, and inadequate data exist to evaluate their effect on breast and other female cancers, bone mass and vaginal dryness… Our evaluation also pointed out that a level of caution needs to be observed, especially in the use of isoflavone supplements, powders and pills…More studies documenting benefits and safety need to be conducted. " Research Shows Soy's Effects American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol 68, 1431S-1435S, " Effects of soy-protein supplementation on epithelial proliferation in the histologically normal human breast " -- Study showed that short-term use of dietary soy stimulated breast cell proliferation, which can increase the risk of breast cancer. Anti-thyroid isoflavones from soybean -- November 1997 article from Biochem Pharmacol in which " it was observed that an … extract of soybeans contains compounds that inhibit thyroid peroxidase- (TPO) catalyzed reactions essential to thyroid hormone synthesis. " Breast and soy-formula feedings in early infancy and the prevalence of autoimmune thyroid disease in children. -- April 1998 article from the J Am Coll Nutr. that documents the association of soy formula feedings in infancy and autoimmune thyroid disease. A Look at the Dangers of Soy to the Health of Your Thyroid Leading Expert Warns of Soy-Thyroid Connection in Bestselling Book In the bestselling book Living Well With Hypothyroidism: What Your Doctor Doesn't Tell You … That You Need to Know, leading soy expert Dr. Mike Fitzpatrick was profiled. " Dr. Mike Fitzpatrick is an environmental scientist and phytoestrogen researcher who has extensively researched the issue of soy formulas, and the impact of soy consumption on thyroid function. Dr. Fitzpatrick introduced me to a little-known fact that can have substantial impact on people with hypothyroidism and the population in general -- overconsumption of soy products has the potential to impair thyroid function. Dr. Fitzpatrick is so concerned that he is calling for soy formula manufacturers to remove the isoflavones -- the agents that are most active against the thyroid -- from their products. .. There are also concerns for adult consumption of soy products. One UK study involving premenopausal women gave 60 grams of soy protein per day for one month. This was found to disrupt the menstrual cycle, with the effects of the isoflavones continuing for a full three months after stopping the soy in the diet. Another study found that intake of soy over a long period causes enlargement of the thyroid and suppresses thyroid function. Isoflavones are also known to modify fertility and change sex hormone status, and to have serious health effects -- including infertility, thyroid disease or liver disease -- on a number of mammals… Dr. Fitzpatrick believes that people with hypothyroidism should seriously consider avoiding soy products, and predicts the current promotion of soy as a health food will result in an increase in thyroid disorders. " Soy Researcher is Even 'Very Concerned' " 'There's a tendency in our culture to think if a little is good, then a lot's better,' says , a soy researcher at Wake Forest University School of Medicine in Winston-Salem, N.C. 'But I personally am very concerned about isoflavone pills and soy protein supplemented with extra isoflavones.' Isoflavones, after all, seem to act like hormones or drugs in our body--even if for regulatory purposes they are classified as nutritional supplements. " (From " In Light of Troubling Study on Soy, Moderation Seen as Key, " LA Times, Monday, March 27, 2000) > Scary! I was diagnosed with a Goiter at 18. I have two daughters ages 2 and 3 that can only have Soy since birth, not even breast milk. Gives them tummy problems. Hope I don't hand the wonderful world of Thyroid down to them like my grandmother gave me. > Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 I did a search on about.com for soy formula and came back with some things. Here is one of them. (And remember there is a genetic link with thyroid problems.) I would look for an alternative formula: A Look at the Dangers of Soy to the Health of Your Thyroid Health and nutrition magazines tout the benefits of soy as a cure-all for women's health, hormonal problems, cancer prevention, weight loss, and many other problems. The reality, however, is that promotion of soy may be more a matter of business and marketing, rather than recommendations based on sound scientific evidence. Isoflavones, the key components of soy that make them so potent as a posible substitute for hormone replacement, mean that soy products, while touted as foods and nutritional products -- often are used and act as like a hormonal drug. If you have a diagnosed or undiagnosed thyroid problem, or a history of autoimmune disease, overconsumption of soy isoflavones can potentially trigger a thyroid condition. Soy foods can worsen an existing diagnosed thyroid problem in many people. In both cases the symptoms such as fatigue, weight gain, and depression or moodiness are often overlooked and hard to diagnose. A recent study found that as millions of Americans -- perhaps as many as more than 10 million -- have an undiagnosed thyroid condition. The vast majority of thyroid patients are women over 40. This is the same group that, responding to marketing claims that promote soy as helping to prevent breast cancer, reducing the risk of high cholesterol or heart disease, or as a treatment for symptoms of menopause, are turning to soy foods and isoflavone supplements in vast numbers. Here is more information regarding soy and its relationship to the thyroid. FDA's Soy Experts Speak Out Against Soy " there is abundant evidence that some of the isoflavones found in soy, including genistein and equol, a metabolize of daidzen, demonstrate toxicity in estrogen sensitive tissues and in the thyroid. This is true for a number of species, including humans. Additionally, isoflavones are inhibitors of the thyroid peroxidase which makes T3 and T4. Inhibition can be expected to generate thyroid abnormalities, including goiter and autoimmune thyroiditis. There exists a significant body of animal data that demonstrates goitrogenic and even carcinogenic effects of soy products. Moreover, there are significant reports of goitrogenic effects from soy consumption in human infants and adults. " Official Letter of Protest to the FDA Letter of protest from researchers Doerge and Sheehan, two of the Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) key experts on soy, to the FDA, protesting the health claims approved by the FDA on soy products America's Foremost Alternative Doctor Warns Re: Soy America's leading alternative doctor, Dr. Weil, has said about soy, at his Ask Dr. Weil website " …you're unlikely to get too many isoflavones as a result of adding soy foods to your diet -- but you probably will take in too much if you take soy supplements in pill form. At this point, I can only recommend that you avoid soy supplements entirely. " Study Shows That Too Much Tofu Induces Brain Aging From the Honolulu Star-Bulletin " A Hawaii study shows a significant statistical relationship between two or more servings of tofu a week and 'accelerated brain aging' and even an association with Alzheimer's disease, says Dr. Lon White. " ...these are not nutrients. They are drugs. They will have some benefits and some negative things. " A Look at the Dangers of Soy to the Health of Your Thyroid Don't Go Overboard With the Soy Foods! Zava, Ph.D., a biochemist and an experienced breast cancer researcher stated in an interview: " In studying the literature on soy I found there are about five types of plant chemicals in the soybean that can be toxic to humans if they are not removed by special processing… the fifth antinutrient in soybeans is called a goitrogen. This is a chemical that latches on to iodine, preventing it from absorbing into the body from the gastrointestinal tract. Iodine is needed to make thyroid hormone. Low thyroid function has been associated with poor brain development. Anyone who has been deficient in thyroid hormone understands quite well what impact this can have on normal brain function, especially at a time in life as we grow older and " fuzzy thinking " creeps into our vocabulary. " North American Menopause Society Won't Endorse Soy Products In a press statement, the North American Menopause Society has said: " Our review found that scientific data are inconclusive regarding whether the observed health effects in humans are attributable to isoflavones alone or to isoflavones plus other components in whole foods… women may wish to consume whole foods that contain isoflavones, especially for potential cardiovascular benefits. However, scientific data supporting the use of isoflavones for hot flashes are conflicting, and inadequate data exist to evaluate their effect on breast and other female cancers, bone mass and vaginal dryness… Our evaluation also pointed out that a level of caution needs to be observed, especially in the use of isoflavone supplements, powders and pills…More studies documenting benefits and safety need to be conducted. " Research Shows Soy's Effects American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol 68, 1431S-1435S, " Effects of soy-protein supplementation on epithelial proliferation in the histologically normal human breast " -- Study showed that short-term use of dietary soy stimulated breast cell proliferation, which can increase the risk of breast cancer. Anti-thyroid isoflavones from soybean -- November 1997 article from Biochem Pharmacol in which " it was observed that an … extract of soybeans contains compounds that inhibit thyroid peroxidase- (TPO) catalyzed reactions essential to thyroid hormone synthesis. " Breast and soy-formula feedings in early infancy and the prevalence of autoimmune thyroid disease in children. -- April 1998 article from the J Am Coll Nutr. that documents the association of soy formula feedings in infancy and autoimmune thyroid disease. A Look at the Dangers of Soy to the Health of Your Thyroid Leading Expert Warns of Soy-Thyroid Connection in Bestselling Book In the bestselling book Living Well With Hypothyroidism: What Your Doctor Doesn't Tell You … That You Need to Know, leading soy expert Dr. Mike Fitzpatrick was profiled. " Dr. Mike Fitzpatrick is an environmental scientist and phytoestrogen researcher who has extensively researched the issue of soy formulas, and the impact of soy consumption on thyroid function. Dr. Fitzpatrick introduced me to a little-known fact that can have substantial impact on people with hypothyroidism and the population in general -- overconsumption of soy products has the potential to impair thyroid function. Dr. Fitzpatrick is so concerned that he is calling for soy formula manufacturers to remove the isoflavones -- the agents that are most active against the thyroid -- from their products. .. There are also concerns for adult consumption of soy products. One UK study involving premenopausal women gave 60 grams of soy protein per day for one month. This was found to disrupt the menstrual cycle, with the effects of the isoflavones continuing for a full three months after stopping the soy in the diet. Another study found that intake of soy over a long period causes enlargement of the thyroid and suppresses thyroid function. Isoflavones are also known to modify fertility and change sex hormone status, and to have serious health effects -- including infertility, thyroid disease or liver disease -- on a number of mammals… Dr. Fitzpatrick believes that people with hypothyroidism should seriously consider avoiding soy products, and predicts the current promotion of soy as a health food will result in an increase in thyroid disorders. " Soy Researcher is Even 'Very Concerned' " 'There's a tendency in our culture to think if a little is good, then a lot's better,' says , a soy researcher at Wake Forest University School of Medicine in Winston-Salem, N.C. 'But I personally am very concerned about isoflavone pills and soy protein supplemented with extra isoflavones.' Isoflavones, after all, seem to act like hormones or drugs in our body--even if for regulatory purposes they are classified as nutritional supplements. " (From " In Light of Troubling Study on Soy, Moderation Seen as Key, " LA Times, Monday, March 27, 2000) > Scary! I was diagnosed with a Goiter at 18. I have two daughters ages 2 and 3 that can only have Soy since birth, not even breast milk. Gives them tummy problems. Hope I don't hand the wonderful world of Thyroid down to them like my grandmother gave me. > Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Other foods containing fermented soy are miso paste and tempeh. blithe Fermented Soy, soy sauce, is okay. The fermentation process alters it so that it is no longer a binder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Other foods containing fermented soy are miso paste and tempeh. blithe Fermented Soy, soy sauce, is okay. The fermentation process alters it so that it is no longer a binder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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