Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Un fortunately I believe is correct and I don't take offense if you disagree. I liken it a little bit to when managed care first hit and when we had a Medicare cap to deal with; as much as we hated and opposed the idea of these monumental upheavals, we couldn't control the situation and learned to adapt. I think I've sometimes been unfairly maligned as being part of the problem by my study of physician contracts, but that came out of need as I kept hearing disaster stories from my members about long time practices going down because of POPTS. I don't believe a therapist should EVER be an employee and a contract for services leaves you with autonomy. Please bear with me for a brief moment. I've found a growing glitch in the system recently as I have surveyed many physicians who have in-house programs. Needless to say I was very surprised at these findings. A large percentage are unhappy with their situations, predominantly because of their " employees " . I've found they would rather contract an established private practice therapist, for whom this could be a satellite office (95% are already equipped), who has an owners mentality. I'm always looking for ways to recapture market share that's gone and this is becoming a huge opening. For example, one member was seeing 24 patients a day with her current staff. Unfortunately, due to a physician bringing therapy in-house, her daily visits have dropped to an average of 15. The physician told the therapist months in advance that he would like her to open a small space in his building or within his office, and he would direct all of that business to her either independently or through contract. She declined to do it because she didn't think she could " afford it " . Judging by the result, she couldn't afford to NOT do it. The physician contacted a therapist in his building and that's where his business went. We've since regained that business through contract, but not after many critical months. How? When revisiting the possibility of contracting to perform therapy for a physician or group (as an adjunct to her current practice), she insisted she couldn't take a lesser dollar amount. What she neglected to see was that it would cost her NOTHING to see up to nine more patients a day (15+9=24) as expenses and staff were fixed for that volume-24. In the first quarter of my very first physician contract, we took in nearly $29,000 in cash with an added expense of only $300. These contracts are " Capacity Fillers " . Physician contracts are no different than contracts with managed care. You take a reduced fee in exchange for volume, and in this case, exclusivity. I know this goes against the grain and I sincerely respect that. But they're not playing in a way that we can win so we must find ethical and legal ways to participate or die. Thanks for listening and understanding that I am not an opposing view. I'm just tired of sitting at the same intersection watching wreck after wreck, knowing that another one is coming, and doing nothing. Hope you all had a wonderful and safe Memorial Day! Doug Doug Sparks Advanced Physical Therapy Concepts / APTC www.aptc.biz<http://www.aptc.biz/> doug@... MD ownership I don't know how many people are aware of the country that we live in, but big business will ALWAYS rule at the end of the day. I don't profess to like it, but I do understand it. There's too much money on the side of the big corporations, doctors, etc...to think that there will be a change in the rules that says that PT's can only own PT clinics. The APTA could lobby till the cows come home, we could all join and give them 10% of our income and that still isn't going to match the fight that the " other side " will bring. It's certainly a noble idea to think that PT's are the most qualified to run PT clinics, but it's a case of too little to late since the POPTS have such a strong foothold in the game. I've got a few things that spring to mind when thinking of the fight against corporate America (and that's what it is when you are against non-PT ownership), Home Depot ate up all of the small hardware stores, Walgreen's/CVS has taken over the pharmacy game, Blockbuster ate up the video stores, we could keep going with this list... So it's too bad that the trend is this way but reality is that government will not rule in favor of the little guy (in any significant measure). The whole idea that now MD's have to use " real " PT's to treat medicare is a joke that I hope none of you see as a victory. It frustrates me to no end when a local doc opens up PT in his office but I know that business is an evolution and that we must continue to try to do things better, cheaper, etc...year after year if we hope to succeed for the long term. Don't get caught with your pants down, complaining about the way things are. Assume they are always going to be this way and only get worse and then (and only then) can you have a chance to succeed. When you attack the beast for what it is instead of complaining that it's not a fair fight. Non-PT clinic owner (boo, hiss, arghhh!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Un fortunately I believe is correct and I don't take offense if you disagree. I liken it a little bit to when managed care first hit and when we had a Medicare cap to deal with; as much as we hated and opposed the idea of these monumental upheavals, we couldn't control the situation and learned to adapt. I think I've sometimes been unfairly maligned as being part of the problem by my study of physician contracts, but that came out of need as I kept hearing disaster stories from my members about long time practices going down because of POPTS. I don't believe a therapist should EVER be an employee and a contract for services leaves you with autonomy. Please bear with me for a brief moment. I've found a growing glitch in the system recently as I have surveyed many physicians who have in-house programs. Needless to say I was very surprised at these findings. A large percentage are unhappy with their situations, predominantly because of their " employees " . I've found they would rather contract an established private practice therapist, for whom this could be a satellite office (95% are already equipped), who has an owners mentality. I'm always looking for ways to recapture market share that's gone and this is becoming a huge opening. For example, one member was seeing 24 patients a day with her current staff. Unfortunately, due to a physician bringing therapy in-house, her daily visits have dropped to an average of 15. The physician told the therapist months in advance that he would like her to open a small space in his building or within his office, and he would direct all of that business to her either independently or through contract. She declined to do it because she didn't think she could " afford it " . Judging by the result, she couldn't afford to NOT do it. The physician contacted a therapist in his building and that's where his business went. We've since regained that business through contract, but not after many critical months. How? When revisiting the possibility of contracting to perform therapy for a physician or group (as an adjunct to her current practice), she insisted she couldn't take a lesser dollar amount. What she neglected to see was that it would cost her NOTHING to see up to nine more patients a day (15+9=24) as expenses and staff were fixed for that volume-24. In the first quarter of my very first physician contract, we took in nearly $29,000 in cash with an added expense of only $300. These contracts are " Capacity Fillers " . Physician contracts are no different than contracts with managed care. You take a reduced fee in exchange for volume, and in this case, exclusivity. I know this goes against the grain and I sincerely respect that. But they're not playing in a way that we can win so we must find ethical and legal ways to participate or die. Thanks for listening and understanding that I am not an opposing view. I'm just tired of sitting at the same intersection watching wreck after wreck, knowing that another one is coming, and doing nothing. Hope you all had a wonderful and safe Memorial Day! Doug Doug Sparks Advanced Physical Therapy Concepts / APTC www.aptc.biz<http://www.aptc.biz/> doug@... MD ownership I don't know how many people are aware of the country that we live in, but big business will ALWAYS rule at the end of the day. I don't profess to like it, but I do understand it. There's too much money on the side of the big corporations, doctors, etc...to think that there will be a change in the rules that says that PT's can only own PT clinics. The APTA could lobby till the cows come home, we could all join and give them 10% of our income and that still isn't going to match the fight that the " other side " will bring. It's certainly a noble idea to think that PT's are the most qualified to run PT clinics, but it's a case of too little to late since the POPTS have such a strong foothold in the game. I've got a few things that spring to mind when thinking of the fight against corporate America (and that's what it is when you are against non-PT ownership), Home Depot ate up all of the small hardware stores, Walgreen's/CVS has taken over the pharmacy game, Blockbuster ate up the video stores, we could keep going with this list... So it's too bad that the trend is this way but reality is that government will not rule in favor of the little guy (in any significant measure). The whole idea that now MD's have to use " real " PT's to treat medicare is a joke that I hope none of you see as a victory. It frustrates me to no end when a local doc opens up PT in his office but I know that business is an evolution and that we must continue to try to do things better, cheaper, etc...year after year if we hope to succeed for the long term. Don't get caught with your pants down, complaining about the way things are. Assume they are always going to be this way and only get worse and then (and only then) can you have a chance to succeed. When you attack the beast for what it is instead of complaining that it's not a fair fight. Non-PT clinic owner (boo, hiss, arghhh!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 > wrote: > I don't know how many people are aware of the country that we live in, but > big business will ALWAYS rule at the end of the day. I don't profess to like > it, but I do understand it. There's too much money on the side of the big > corporations, doctors, etc...to think that there will be a change in the rules > that says that PT's can only own PT clinics. The APTA could lobby till the > cows come home, we could all join and give them 10% of our income and that > still isn't going to match the fight that the " other side " will bring. It's > certainly a noble idea to think that PT's are the most qualified to run PT > clinics, but it's a case of too little to late since the POPTS have such a strong > foothold in the game. I've got a few things that spring to mind when > thinking of the fight against corporate America (and that's what it is when you are > against non-PT ownership), Home Depot ate up all of the small hardware > stores, Walgreen's/CVS has taken over the pharmacy game, Blockbuster ate up the > video stores, we could keep going with this list... Just looking at the " business " side of the discussion for a moment- back about 7 years ago a book was released called the " Mcization of America " . Th e book discussed how the consumers world seeks consistency, and how not to succumb to the big business WalMart philosophy that seems to predominate. Really got me using local pharmacies (that happen to deliver), feed stores (that happen to carry the dog food out to the car), etc. (and both still offer " accounts and end of the month billing " ). Now when I travel, I ask the locals " what is a local specialty that I have to eat while I am in town " (fried strawberry cheesecake and pork chop sandwiches at the state fair are the best stories to date). Several family/local stores do well here knowing how to keep the customer happy/meet a need and be professional in their marketplace. Funny thing in the news lately... Dollar stores are holding their own/growing in markets with Walmart. Still larger (vs local) business at heart, but a newer model. New models do evolve, even when 10 years ago people thought WalMart was taking over the world.... towns are even fighting to keep Walmart out. You just never know.... as Churchill said " never ever give up " . Dee Daley, PT Southern Pines, NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 wrote: " I don't know how many people are aware of the country that we live in, but big business will ALWAYS rule at the end of the day. " I totally agree, but I think that this idea requires further analysis. Why is it that " big business " will always rule? To a large degree, it is because of you and I. I like Dee Daley's idea of seeking out the local business and giving them our business. However, how many of us are willing to do that? How many of us are willing to pay a higher price for our goods at a local business than we could at Wal Mart? Unfortunately, few of us would. So my friends, I'm afraid that we have only ourselves to blame when it comes to the predicament that the " little guy " is in. From a different perspective, you could say that " big business " and " corporate America " is made up of a bunch of " little guys " that are trying to pay their bills just like you and I. I believe that the best way that PT-owned clinics can preserve their referral base is to offer excellent service, excellent service, and more excellent service. That's all that can be done. Thanks, Curtis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 wrote: " I don't know how many people are aware of the country that we live in, but big business will ALWAYS rule at the end of the day. " I totally agree, but I think that this idea requires further analysis. Why is it that " big business " will always rule? To a large degree, it is because of you and I. I like Dee Daley's idea of seeking out the local business and giving them our business. However, how many of us are willing to do that? How many of us are willing to pay a higher price for our goods at a local business than we could at Wal Mart? Unfortunately, few of us would. So my friends, I'm afraid that we have only ourselves to blame when it comes to the predicament that the " little guy " is in. From a different perspective, you could say that " big business " and " corporate America " is made up of a bunch of " little guys " that are trying to pay their bills just like you and I. I believe that the best way that PT-owned clinics can preserve their referral base is to offer excellent service, excellent service, and more excellent service. That's all that can be done. Thanks, Curtis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 wrote: " I don't know how many people are aware of the country that we live in, but big business will ALWAYS rule at the end of the day. " I totally agree, but I think that this idea requires further analysis. Why is it that " big business " will always rule? To a large degree, it is because of you and I. I like Dee Daley's idea of seeking out the local business and giving them our business. However, how many of us are willing to do that? How many of us are willing to pay a higher price for our goods at a local business than we could at Wal Mart? Unfortunately, few of us would. So my friends, I'm afraid that we have only ourselves to blame when it comes to the predicament that the " little guy " is in. From a different perspective, you could say that " big business " and " corporate America " is made up of a bunch of " little guys " that are trying to pay their bills just like you and I. I believe that the best way that PT-owned clinics can preserve their referral base is to offer excellent service, excellent service, and more excellent service. That's all that can be done. Thanks, Curtis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 In an America now dominated by huge and growing business and government, the idea of strength and quality in decentralized, local products and services seems quaint and outdated. But there are more than a few people out there who would rather judge their products and services through a more intimate knowledge of the people providing them than by an arcane certification from a faceless third party. I'm one, as perhaps are Dee Daley and . Alas, the powers that be have immense inertia, and are going nowhere. But all hail niche markets! The big guys can do nothing to fill them, and short of regulating niche market providers out of business, there is usually an opportunity there for an energetic and creative little guy. Dave Milano, PT, Director of Rehab Services Laurel Health System 32-36 Central Ave. Wellsboro, PA 16901 dmilano@... Re: MD ownership wrote: " I don't know how many people are aware of the country that we live in, but big business will ALWAYS rule at the end of the day. " I totally agree, but I think that this idea requires further analysis. Why is it that " big business " will always rule? To a large degree, it is because of you and I. I like Dee Daley's idea of seeking out the local business and giving them our business. However, how many of us are willing to do that? How many of us are willing to pay a higher price for our goods at a local business than we could at Wal Mart? Unfortunately, few of us would. So my friends, I'm afraid that we have only ourselves to blame when it comes to the predicament that the " little guy " is in. From a different perspective, you could say that " big business " and " corporate America " is made up of a bunch of " little guys " that are trying to pay their bills just like you and I. I believe that the best way that PT-owned clinics can preserve their referral base is to offer excellent service, excellent service, and more excellent service. That's all that can be done. Thanks, Curtis Looking to start your own Practice? Visit www.InHomeRehab.com. Bring PTManager to your organization or State Association with a professional workshop or course - call us at 313 884-8920 to arrange PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join and participate now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 In an America now dominated by huge and growing business and government, the idea of strength and quality in decentralized, local products and services seems quaint and outdated. But there are more than a few people out there who would rather judge their products and services through a more intimate knowledge of the people providing them than by an arcane certification from a faceless third party. I'm one, as perhaps are Dee Daley and . Alas, the powers that be have immense inertia, and are going nowhere. But all hail niche markets! The big guys can do nothing to fill them, and short of regulating niche market providers out of business, there is usually an opportunity there for an energetic and creative little guy. Dave Milano, PT, Director of Rehab Services Laurel Health System 32-36 Central Ave. Wellsboro, PA 16901 dmilano@... Re: MD ownership wrote: " I don't know how many people are aware of the country that we live in, but big business will ALWAYS rule at the end of the day. " I totally agree, but I think that this idea requires further analysis. Why is it that " big business " will always rule? To a large degree, it is because of you and I. I like Dee Daley's idea of seeking out the local business and giving them our business. However, how many of us are willing to do that? How many of us are willing to pay a higher price for our goods at a local business than we could at Wal Mart? Unfortunately, few of us would. So my friends, I'm afraid that we have only ourselves to blame when it comes to the predicament that the " little guy " is in. From a different perspective, you could say that " big business " and " corporate America " is made up of a bunch of " little guys " that are trying to pay their bills just like you and I. I believe that the best way that PT-owned clinics can preserve their referral base is to offer excellent service, excellent service, and more excellent service. That's all that can be done. Thanks, Curtis Looking to start your own Practice? Visit www.InHomeRehab.com. Bring PTManager to your organization or State Association with a professional workshop or course - call us at 313 884-8920 to arrange PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join and participate now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 In an America now dominated by huge and growing business and government, the idea of strength and quality in decentralized, local products and services seems quaint and outdated. But there are more than a few people out there who would rather judge their products and services through a more intimate knowledge of the people providing them than by an arcane certification from a faceless third party. I'm one, as perhaps are Dee Daley and . Alas, the powers that be have immense inertia, and are going nowhere. But all hail niche markets! The big guys can do nothing to fill them, and short of regulating niche market providers out of business, there is usually an opportunity there for an energetic and creative little guy. Dave Milano, PT, Director of Rehab Services Laurel Health System 32-36 Central Ave. Wellsboro, PA 16901 dmilano@... Re: MD ownership wrote: " I don't know how many people are aware of the country that we live in, but big business will ALWAYS rule at the end of the day. " I totally agree, but I think that this idea requires further analysis. Why is it that " big business " will always rule? To a large degree, it is because of you and I. I like Dee Daley's idea of seeking out the local business and giving them our business. However, how many of us are willing to do that? How many of us are willing to pay a higher price for our goods at a local business than we could at Wal Mart? Unfortunately, few of us would. So my friends, I'm afraid that we have only ourselves to blame when it comes to the predicament that the " little guy " is in. From a different perspective, you could say that " big business " and " corporate America " is made up of a bunch of " little guys " that are trying to pay their bills just like you and I. I believe that the best way that PT-owned clinics can preserve their referral base is to offer excellent service, excellent service, and more excellent service. That's all that can be done. Thanks, Curtis Looking to start your own Practice? Visit www.InHomeRehab.com. Bring PTManager to your organization or State Association with a professional workshop or course - call us at 313 884-8920 to arrange PTManager encourages participation in your professional association. Join and participate now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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