Re: Re: Creamer and Soy

[Guest guest]

Yes.. I was 1957 and born in Germany... plenty of soy available then.

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On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:47:30 -0700 "Jamy " writes:

I was adopted so it is safe to assume I was not breast fed, now, I am 50, so I would have been on formula 54 to 55. Did they use soyformula then?

[Guest guest]

Oh I have.. they are fabulous.... we used to get them a lot.. but budget.... I'll have to look again.. even the 'cheap' fake peanut butters are getting pretty expensive.

Topper ()

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:03:43 -0500 " " writes:

The peanut butters that you have to mix up by hand, the natural kind, with no sugar, only have peanuts and salt, at least the ones I've bought. You've probably seen them on the grocery store shelves.

[Guest guest]

Oh I have.. they are fabulous.... we used to get them a lot.. but budget.... I'll have to look again.. even the 'cheap' fake peanut butters are getting pretty expensive.

Topper ()

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:03:43 -0500 " " writes:

The peanut butters that you have to mix up by hand, the natural kind, with no sugar, only have peanuts and salt, at least the ones I've bought. You've probably seen them on the grocery store shelves.

[Guest guest]

Oh I have.. they are fabulous.... we used to get them a lot.. but budget.... I'll have to look again.. even the 'cheap' fake peanut butters are getting pretty expensive.

Topper ()

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:03:43 -0500 " " writes:

The peanut butters that you have to mix up by hand, the natural kind, with no sugar, only have peanuts and salt, at least the ones I've bought. You've probably seen them on the grocery store shelves.

[Guest guest]

but was soy an alternative or the main one I guess is my question

Re: Re: Creamer and Soy

Yes.. I was 1957 and born in Germany... plenty of soy available then.

Topper ()

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:47:30 -0700 "Jamy " writes:

I was adopted so it is safe to assume I was not breast fed, now, I am 50, so I would have been on formula 54 to 55. Did they use soyformula then?

[Guest guest]

but was soy an alternative or the main one I guess is my question

Re: Re: Creamer and Soy

Yes.. I was 1957 and born in Germany... plenty of soy available then.

Topper ()

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 11:47:30 -0700 "Jamy " writes:

I was adopted so it is safe to assume I was not breast fed, now, I am 50, so I would have been on formula 54 to 55. Did they use soyformula then?

[Guest guest]

Just a thought- late 50s was also when they were giving expectant mothers thalidomide

Feisty

Re: Re: Creamer and Soy

but was soy an alternative or the main one I guess is my question

[Guest guest]

that is one I don't have to worry about

Re: Re: Creamer and Soy

but was soy an alternative or the main one I guess is my question

[Guest guest]

that is one I don't have to worry about

Re: Re: Creamer and Soy

but was soy an alternative or the main one I guess is my question

[Guest guest]

My mom said that soy was cheaper.... but that was in Germany.. and that is what I remember from years ago when we were talking about lactose intolerance.

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On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 12:48:39 -0700 "Jamy " writes:

but was soy an alternative or the main one I guess is my question

[Guest guest]

Your body was trying to get rid of the excess thyroid hormone, instinctively.

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I was a soy baby and had my first period pre teen....

But I was also hyper from puberty then went into thyroid storm....

Shoot.. now another idea popped into my head.. for several years before the storm I got a sudden passion for roasted soy nuts.. couldn't get enough of them.... Now they taste horrid to me.

thoughts, ladies ?

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[Guest guest]

Your body was trying to get rid of the excess thyroid hormone, instinctively.

Re: Re: Creamer and Soy

I was a soy baby and had my first period pre teen....

But I was also hyper from puberty then went into thyroid storm....

Shoot.. now another idea popped into my head.. for several years before the storm I got a sudden passion for roasted soy nuts.. couldn't get enough of them.... Now they taste horrid to me.

thoughts, ladies ?

Topper ()

[Guest guest]

Your body was trying to get rid of the excess thyroid hormone, instinctively.

Re: Re: Creamer and Soy

I was a soy baby and had my first period pre teen....

But I was also hyper from puberty then went into thyroid storm....

Shoot.. now another idea popped into my head.. for several years before the storm I got a sudden passion for roasted soy nuts.. couldn't get enough of them.... Now they taste horrid to me.

thoughts, ladies ?

Topper ()

[Guest guest]

I think you're right.. I was also doing kohlrabi around that time... was eating it like potato chips... but then I still love snacking on them.. just can't afford to buy them... I used to grow them.

Topper ()

On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:39:05 -0500 " " writes:

Your body was trying to get rid of the excess thyroid hormone, instinctively.

[Guest guest]

I think you're right.. I was also doing kohlrabi around that time... was eating it like potato chips... but then I still love snacking on them.. just can't afford to buy them... I used to grow them.

Topper ()

On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:39:05 -0500 " " writes:

Your body was trying to get rid of the excess thyroid hormone, instinctively.

[Guest guest]

my daughters are 4 and 17 months and last trip to the ped i told them the youngest drinks soy milk with me and that i read it leads to hypothyroid and she said they just came back from an educational series and nothing was mentioned - next time i go and get another dr i'll ask them just to compare.

Ponceti

for now !

-- Re: Re: Creamer and Soy

Scary! I was diagnosed with a Goiter at 18. I have two daughters ages 2 and 3 that can only have Soy since birth, not even breast milk. Gives them tummy problems. Hope I don't hand the wonderful world of Thyroid down to them like my grandmother gave me.

Kim

Re: Creamer and Soy> here is it:>> Here is some of the information I have collected on goitrogenic> foods.>> Keep in mind that moderate consumption of goitrogenic foods is> probably going to be okay. Cooking reduces the effect in most> (exception is millet). If you have been eating some of these foods> on a regular basis, then your meds are adjustedwith that intake> already factored in. You do not have to avoid all of this list.>> BTW, it is the isoflavones in soy that is a problem for thyroid> hormone -- soy oil has no isoflavones. It should not be a problem> unless a person has a sensitivity to soy itself.>>> Goitrogens:>> Almond Seeds> Babassu> Bamboo Shoots> Broccoli> Brussel Sprouts> Cabbage> Canola Oil> Cauliflower> Cassava> Horseradish> Kale> Kohlrabi> Lima Beans> Maize> Millet> Maize> Milk (see below)> Mustard> Peaches> Peanuts> Pinenuts> Radishes> Rape seed> Rutabaga> Sorghum> Soybean and soy products> Spinach> Strawberries> Sulphur-containing compounds (even some water supplies)> Sweet potatoes> Tofu> Turnips>> Walnuts (listed as interfering with thyroid meds on several thyroxine> prescribing information inserts)>>>> Cattle may ingest goitrogens and pass to humans through milk.> Substances which increase fecal bulk can cause excess loss of T4.> Iodine supplements or kelp products (should be avoided for autoimmune> patients) Note: There is debate on whether to add or avoid iodine-> containing products.> Calcium, iron, anti-acids (like Tums/Mylanta) should be taken 2-4> hours away from thyroid meds as they interfere with absorption.>> Note: Cooking does seem to deactivate the isoflavones in most> goitrogenic foods (except millet) -- so eating some of the foods> above in moderation is usually okay if they are well cooked. Even> raw, most people will not be affected by small amounts of goitrogenic> foods. But some may be ultra-sensitive to one or more on the list.>> References for goitrogenic lists:> http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george & dbid=47> http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter5/5a-2.htm> http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/thyroid-drug-faq.htm#> url:http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/natural/goi.htm)> url:http://www.ithyroid.com/goitrogens.htm)>>> "Cyanoglucosides are naturally occurring goitrogens that are digested> to release cyanide, which is converted to thiocyanate. Thiocyanate> inhibits iodide transport in the thyroid and, at higher levels,> inhibits organification. Foods that contain cyanoglucosides include> cassava, lima beans, maize, bamboo shoots, and sweet potatoes.>> Thioglucosides are natural goitrogens found in the Cruciferae family> of vegetables and weeds eaten by animals. When digested, they release> thiocyanate and isothiocyanate, which have thionamidelike properties> and are passed to humans via milk ingestion. "> http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic916.htm>> " A combination of low iodine intake and high intake of goitrogenic> foods increases the likelihood of goiter.24 25> Nutrient deficiencies, including zinc,26 manganese 27 and vitamin> A,28 29 and severe protein malnutrition30 also contribute to an> inability to use iodine well and to the development of goiter.31 32> In the presence of adequate iodine supplies, it is less common for> such factors to cause goiter;33 34 however, when iodine intake> becomes deficient, even mild malnutrition can have such a negative> impact on thyroid function.35 36 High levels of minerals such as> calcium and magnesium, and certain bacteria in drinking water, have> also been shown to be goitrogenic.37 38 Therefore, proper nutrition> and a healthy water supply are crucial in the prevention and> treatment of goiter. "> http://www.puritan.com/vf/healthnotes/HN75_english

[Guest guest]

my daughters are 4 and 17 months and last trip to the ped i told them the youngest drinks soy milk with me and that i read it leads to hypothyroid and she said they just came back from an educational series and nothing was mentioned - next time i go and get another dr i'll ask them just to compare.

Ponceti

for now !

-- Re: Re: Creamer and Soy

Scary! I was diagnosed with a Goiter at 18. I have two daughters ages 2 and 3 that can only have Soy since birth, not even breast milk. Gives them tummy problems. Hope I don't hand the wonderful world of Thyroid down to them like my grandmother gave me.

Kim

Re: Creamer and Soy> here is it:>> Here is some of the information I have collected on goitrogenic> foods.>> Keep in mind that moderate consumption of goitrogenic foods is> probably going to be okay. Cooking reduces the effect in most> (exception is millet). If you have been eating some of these foods> on a regular basis, then your meds are adjustedwith that intake> already factored in. You do not have to avoid all of this list.>> BTW, it is the isoflavones in soy that is a problem for thyroid> hormone -- soy oil has no isoflavones. It should not be a problem> unless a person has a sensitivity to soy itself.>>> Goitrogens:>> Almond Seeds> Babassu> Bamboo Shoots> Broccoli> Brussel Sprouts> Cabbage> Canola Oil> Cauliflower> Cassava> Horseradish> Kale> Kohlrabi> Lima Beans> Maize> Millet> Maize> Milk (see below)> Mustard> Peaches> Peanuts> Pinenuts> Radishes> Rape seed> Rutabaga> Sorghum> Soybean and soy products> Spinach> Strawberries> Sulphur-containing compounds (even some water supplies)> Sweet potatoes> Tofu> Turnips>> Walnuts (listed as interfering with thyroid meds on several thyroxine> prescribing information inserts)>>>> Cattle may ingest goitrogens and pass to humans through milk.> Substances which increase fecal bulk can cause excess loss of T4.> Iodine supplements or kelp products (should be avoided for autoimmune> patients) Note: There is debate on whether to add or avoid iodine-> containing products.> Calcium, iron, anti-acids (like Tums/Mylanta) should be taken 2-4> hours away from thyroid meds as they interfere with absorption.>> Note: Cooking does seem to deactivate the isoflavones in most> goitrogenic foods (except millet) -- so eating some of the foods> above in moderation is usually okay if they are well cooked. Even> raw, most people will not be affected by small amounts of goitrogenic> foods. But some may be ultra-sensitive to one or more on the list.>> References for goitrogenic lists:> http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george & dbid=47> http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter5/5a-2.htm> http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/thyroid-drug-faq.htm#> url:http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/natural/goi.htm)> url:http://www.ithyroid.com/goitrogens.htm)>>> "Cyanoglucosides are naturally occurring goitrogens that are digested> to release cyanide, which is converted to thiocyanate. Thiocyanate> inhibits iodide transport in the thyroid and, at higher levels,> inhibits organification. Foods that contain cyanoglucosides include> cassava, lima beans, maize, bamboo shoots, and sweet potatoes.>> Thioglucosides are natural goitrogens found in the Cruciferae family> of vegetables and weeds eaten by animals. When digested, they release> thiocyanate and isothiocyanate, which have thionamidelike properties> and are passed to humans via milk ingestion. "> http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic916.htm>> " A combination of low iodine intake and high intake of goitrogenic> foods increases the likelihood of goiter.24 25> Nutrient deficiencies, including zinc,26 manganese 27 and vitamin> A,28 29 and severe protein malnutrition30 also contribute to an> inability to use iodine well and to the development of goiter.31 32> In the presence of adequate iodine supplies, it is less common for> such factors to cause goiter;33 34 however, when iodine intake> becomes deficient, even mild malnutrition can have such a negative> impact on thyroid function.35 36 High levels of minerals such as> calcium and magnesium, and certain bacteria in drinking water, have> also been shown to be goitrogenic.37 38 Therefore, proper nutrition> and a healthy water supply are crucial in the prevention and> treatment of goiter. "> http://www.puritan.com/vf/healthnotes/HN75_english

[Guest guest]

my daughters are 4 and 17 months and last trip to the ped i told them the youngest drinks soy milk with me and that i read it leads to hypothyroid and she said they just came back from an educational series and nothing was mentioned - next time i go and get another dr i'll ask them just to compare.

Ponceti

for now !

-- Re: Re: Creamer and Soy

Scary! I was diagnosed with a Goiter at 18. I have two daughters ages 2 and 3 that can only have Soy since birth, not even breast milk. Gives them tummy problems. Hope I don't hand the wonderful world of Thyroid down to them like my grandmother gave me.

Kim

Re: Creamer and Soy> here is it:>> Here is some of the information I have collected on goitrogenic> foods.>> Keep in mind that moderate consumption of goitrogenic foods is> probably going to be okay. Cooking reduces the effect in most> (exception is millet). If you have been eating some of these foods> on a regular basis, then your meds are adjustedwith that intake> already factored in. You do not have to avoid all of this list.>> BTW, it is the isoflavones in soy that is a problem for thyroid> hormone -- soy oil has no isoflavones. It should not be a problem> unless a person has a sensitivity to soy itself.>>> Goitrogens:>> Almond Seeds> Babassu> Bamboo Shoots> Broccoli> Brussel Sprouts> Cabbage> Canola Oil> Cauliflower> Cassava> Horseradish> Kale> Kohlrabi> Lima Beans> Maize> Millet> Maize> Milk (see below)> Mustard> Peaches> Peanuts> Pinenuts> Radishes> Rape seed> Rutabaga> Sorghum> Soybean and soy products> Spinach> Strawberries> Sulphur-containing compounds (even some water supplies)> Sweet potatoes> Tofu> Turnips>> Walnuts (listed as interfering with thyroid meds on several thyroxine> prescribing information inserts)>>>> Cattle may ingest goitrogens and pass to humans through milk.> Substances which increase fecal bulk can cause excess loss of T4.> Iodine supplements or kelp products (should be avoided for autoimmune> patients) Note: There is debate on whether to add or avoid iodine-> containing products.> Calcium, iron, anti-acids (like Tums/Mylanta) should be taken 2-4> hours away from thyroid meds as they interfere with absorption.>> Note: Cooking does seem to deactivate the isoflavones in most> goitrogenic foods (except millet) -- so eating some of the foods> above in moderation is usually okay if they are well cooked. Even> raw, most people will not be affected by small amounts of goitrogenic> foods. But some may be ultra-sensitive to one or more on the list.>> References for goitrogenic lists:> http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george & dbid=47> http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter5/5a-2.htm> http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/thyroid-drug-faq.htm#> url:http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/natural/goi.htm)> url:http://www.ithyroid.com/goitrogens.htm)>>> "Cyanoglucosides are naturally occurring goitrogens that are digested> to release cyanide, which is converted to thiocyanate. Thiocyanate> inhibits iodide transport in the thyroid and, at higher levels,> inhibits organification. Foods that contain cyanoglucosides include> cassava, lima beans, maize, bamboo shoots, and sweet potatoes.>> Thioglucosides are natural goitrogens found in the Cruciferae family> of vegetables and weeds eaten by animals. When digested, they release> thiocyanate and isothiocyanate, which have thionamidelike properties> and are passed to humans via milk ingestion. "> http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic916.htm>> " A combination of low iodine intake and high intake of goitrogenic> foods increases the likelihood of goiter.24 25> Nutrient deficiencies, including zinc,26 manganese 27 and vitamin> A,28 29 and severe protein malnutrition30 also contribute to an> inability to use iodine well and to the development of goiter.31 32> In the presence of adequate iodine supplies, it is less common for> such factors to cause goiter;33 34 however, when iodine intake> becomes deficient, even mild malnutrition can have such a negative> impact on thyroid function.35 36 High levels of minerals such as> calcium and magnesium, and certain bacteria in drinking water, have> also been shown to be goitrogenic.37 38 Therefore, proper nutrition> and a healthy water supply are crucial in the prevention and> treatment of goiter. "> http://www.puritan.com/vf/healthnotes/HN75_english