Re: Re: Creamer and Soy

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Yes... I can add what may be missing to the list that we have on the Phoenix site.

Topper ()

On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 01:55:26 -0000 LestatL382@... writes:

You really have to listen to your body. Peanuts and peanut butter are a no no as well BUT ain't gonna stop me from eating it. Someone posted a list of foods on the about.com mb you should avoid. Let me know if you want it posted here. Louise

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Louise

I would like to see the list please.

Thanks Nita

Re: Creamer and Soy

You really have to listen to your body. Peanuts and peanut butter are a no no as well BUT ain't gonna stop me from eating it. Someone posted a list of foods on the about.com mb you should avoid. Let me know if you want it posted here. Louise> We've set up a page on the Phoenix site of the ones that we know> about.... it will help you make choices on what you are comfortable with> eating and what you can't give up.... I still eat some stuff that we> shouldn't but what I do is eat that 'naughty' about an hour before I dose> (I multi-dose my thyroid 6 times a day... my body is still in rough> shape) and I don't seem to have much in the way of problems.... I'm still> pretty sensitive.. if I miss a dose by more than an hour to an hour and a> half I get the sleepies.. so if the goitrogens were bothering the doses I> were taking after eating them I'd know it.....> > Perhaps, if you do a second dose in the afternoon (if you are on naturals> - with synthetics it doesn't help much) you can eat the no-no for lunch> then have your second dose later...> > That might mean that you can only do it on weekends... but it's still> better than giving up stuff that you really love forever!> > It's all in understanding how stuff works and merging that with your> lifestyle... it's possible to do a lot of things by moderating,> combining, or timing.....> > IMHO, of course.> > Topper ()> www.thyrophoenix.com/bad_foods.htm> > > On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:08:16 -0700 "Nita Sage" <1nana1@c...> writes:> I was never told that with a thyroid problem we should not have soy!!! > I eat a lot of tofu, for the protein. See how much I still have to learn.> Are there any other things I should not be eating?> > Nita Sage

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OMG, ya know, I might as well just die now, with all of this list. Holy

cow, I may as well stop eating because so so many of these foods are the

ones I like.

Re: Creamer and Soy

> here is it:

>

> Here is some of the information I have collected on goitrogenic

> foods.

>

> Keep in mind that moderate consumption of goitrogenic foods is

> probably going to be okay. Cooking reduces the effect in most

> (exception is millet). If you have been eating some of these foods

> on a regular basis, then your meds are adjustedwith that intake

> already factored in. You do not have to avoid all of this list.

>

> BTW, it is the isoflavones in soy that is a problem for thyroid

> hormone -- soy oil has no isoflavones. It should not be a problem

> unless a person has a sensitivity to soy itself.

>

>

> Goitrogens:

>

> Almond Seeds

> Babassu

> Bamboo Shoots

> Broccoli

> Brussel Sprouts

> Cabbage

> Canola Oil

> Cauliflower

> Cassava

> Horseradish

> Kale

> Kohlrabi

> Lima Beans

> Maize

> Millet

> Maize

> Milk (see below)

> Mustard

> Peaches

> Peanuts

> Pinenuts

> Radishes

> Rape seed

> Rutabaga

> Sorghum

> Soybean and soy products

> Spinach

> Strawberries

> Sulphur-containing compounds (even some water supplies)

> Sweet potatoes

> Tofu

> Turnips

>

> Walnuts (listed as interfering with thyroid meds on several thyroxine

> prescribing information inserts)

>

>

>

> Cattle may ingest goitrogens and pass to humans through milk.

> Substances which increase fecal bulk can cause excess loss of T4.

> Iodine supplements or kelp products (should be avoided for autoimmune

> patients) Note: There is debate on whether to add or avoid iodine-

> containing products.

> Calcium, iron, anti-acids (like Tums/Mylanta) should be taken 2-4

> hours away from thyroid meds as they interfere with absorption.

>

> Note: Cooking does seem to deactivate the isoflavones in most

> goitrogenic foods (except millet) -- so eating some of the foods

> above in moderation is usually okay if they are well cooked. Even

> raw, most people will not be affected by small amounts of goitrogenic

> foods. But some may be ultra-sensitive to one or more on the list.

>

> References for goitrogenic lists:

> http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george & dbid=47

> http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter5/5a-2.htm

> http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/thyroid-drug-faq.htm#

> url:http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/natural/goi.htm)

> url:http://www.ithyroid.com/goitrogens.htm)

>

>

> " Cyanoglucosides are naturally occurring goitrogens that are digested

> to release cyanide, which is converted to thiocyanate. Thiocyanate

> inhibits iodide transport in the thyroid and, at higher levels,

> inhibits organification. Foods that contain cyanoglucosides include

> cassava, lima beans, maize, bamboo shoots, and sweet potatoes.

>

> Thioglucosides are natural goitrogens found in the Cruciferae family

> of vegetables and weeds eaten by animals. When digested, they release

> thiocyanate and isothiocyanate, which have thionamidelike properties

> and are passed to humans via milk ingestion. "

> http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic916.htm

>

> " A combination of low iodine intake and high intake of goitrogenic

> foods increases the likelihood of goiter.24 25

> Nutrient deficiencies, including zinc,26 manganese 27 and vitamin

> A,28 29 and severe protein malnutrition30 also contribute to an

> inability to use iodine well and to the development of goiter.31 32

> In the presence of adequate iodine supplies, it is less common for

> such factors to cause goiter;33 34 however, when iodine intake

> becomes deficient, even mild malnutrition can have such a negative

> impact on thyroid function.35 36 High levels of minerals such as

> calcium and magnesium, and certain bacteria in drinking water, have

> also been shown to be goitrogenic.37 38 Therefore, proper nutrition

> and a healthy water supply are crucial in the prevention and

> treatment of goiter. "

> http://www.puritan.com/vf/healthnotes/HN75_english

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Fermented Soy, soy sauce, is okay. The fermentation process alters it so that it is no longer a binder.

I ran across this site about three weeks ago.. a real heads up on the dangers of soy.

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

This is the page of testimonials that I'd first come across:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/soytest.htm

I became terrified of soy products when I read that the by products of soy oil production were marketed as an inexpensive protein source in animal feeds. But the had to stop using it when it started causing birth defects in the young. Can't make money if your animals can't reproduce.

So they came of with ways of promoting these same by products to people.

I stopped eating the stuff.... Then I heard that it's also binding with thyroid hormone, causing problems with that... so I REALLY stayed away from it.

Then I found that link and that it's also being linked to other health dangers including cancer... and well... I'm a serious label reader now, cause you find the stuff EVERYWHERE!

I also find it really interesting that this site and all of it's information is based in New Zealand and not in the US.

Topper ()

On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 04:53:11 -0000 "Smelly_feet_" writes:

So which soy as an ingredient is okay????I found out that Extra Creamy Cremora has no soy!!! It's moreexpensive than the storebrand, but it has no soy! There are alwaysother storebrands to look for. They all taste the same to me, so whypay more money?That list is terrible. I love Broccoli. I'm not going to stop eatingthat. Still no word from Kroger's. I knew this would happen. Call-centersonly play by numbers and their poor employees suffer. I have foundout, though, that it's possible to make creamer without soy in it dueto my Cremora.If I happen to wander over to the creamer section in another store, Iwill post the brands that have no soy in them.

[Guest guest]

Fermented Soy, soy sauce, is okay. The fermentation process alters it so that it is no longer a binder.

I ran across this site about three weeks ago.. a real heads up on the dangers of soy.

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

This is the page of testimonials that I'd first come across:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/soytest.htm

I became terrified of soy products when I read that the by products of soy oil production were marketed as an inexpensive protein source in animal feeds. But the had to stop using it when it started causing birth defects in the young. Can't make money if your animals can't reproduce.

So they came of with ways of promoting these same by products to people.

I stopped eating the stuff.... Then I heard that it's also binding with thyroid hormone, causing problems with that... so I REALLY stayed away from it.

Then I found that link and that it's also being linked to other health dangers including cancer... and well... I'm a serious label reader now, cause you find the stuff EVERYWHERE!

I also find it really interesting that this site and all of it's information is based in New Zealand and not in the US.

Topper ()

On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 04:53:11 -0000 "Smelly_feet_" writes:

So which soy as an ingredient is okay????I found out that Extra Creamy Cremora has no soy!!! It's moreexpensive than the storebrand, but it has no soy! There are alwaysother storebrands to look for. They all taste the same to me, so whypay more money?That list is terrible. I love Broccoli. I'm not going to stop eatingthat. Still no word from Kroger's. I knew this would happen. Call-centersonly play by numbers and their poor employees suffer. I have foundout, though, that it's possible to make creamer without soy in it dueto my Cremora.If I happen to wander over to the creamer section in another store, Iwill post the brands that have no soy in them.

[Guest guest]

Fermented Soy, soy sauce, is okay. The fermentation process alters it so that it is no longer a binder.

I ran across this site about three weeks ago.. a real heads up on the dangers of soy.

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

This is the page of testimonials that I'd first come across:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/soytest.htm

I became terrified of soy products when I read that the by products of soy oil production were marketed as an inexpensive protein source in animal feeds. But the had to stop using it when it started causing birth defects in the young. Can't make money if your animals can't reproduce.

So they came of with ways of promoting these same by products to people.

I stopped eating the stuff.... Then I heard that it's also binding with thyroid hormone, causing problems with that... so I REALLY stayed away from it.

Then I found that link and that it's also being linked to other health dangers including cancer... and well... I'm a serious label reader now, cause you find the stuff EVERYWHERE!

I also find it really interesting that this site and all of it's information is based in New Zealand and not in the US.

Topper ()

On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 04:53:11 -0000 "Smelly_feet_" writes:

So which soy as an ingredient is okay????I found out that Extra Creamy Cremora has no soy!!! It's moreexpensive than the storebrand, but it has no soy! There are alwaysother storebrands to look for. They all taste the same to me, so whypay more money?That list is terrible. I love Broccoli. I'm not going to stop eatingthat. Still no word from Kroger's. I knew this would happen. Call-centersonly play by numbers and their poor employees suffer. I have foundout, though, that it's possible to make creamer without soy in it dueto my Cremora.If I happen to wander over to the creamer section in another store, Iwill post the brands that have no soy in them.

[Guest guest]

Scary! I was diagnosed with a Goiter at 18. I have two daughters ages 2 and 3 that can only have Soy since birth, not even breast milk. Gives them tummy problems. Hope I don't hand the wonderful world of Thyroid down to them like my grandmother gave me.

Kim

Re: Creamer and Soy> here is it:>> Here is some of the information I have collected on goitrogenic> foods.>> Keep in mind that moderate consumption of goitrogenic foods is> probably going to be okay. Cooking reduces the effect in most> (exception is millet). If you have been eating some of these foods> on a regular basis, then your meds are adjustedwith that intake> already factored in. You do not have to avoid all of this list.>> BTW, it is the isoflavones in soy that is a problem for thyroid> hormone -- soy oil has no isoflavones. It should not be a problem> unless a person has a sensitivity to soy itself.>>> Goitrogens:>> Almond Seeds> Babassu> Bamboo Shoots> Broccoli> Brussel Sprouts> Cabbage> Canola Oil> Cauliflower> Cassava> Horseradish> Kale> Kohlrabi> Lima Beans> Maize> Millet> Maize> Milk (see below)> Mustard> Peaches> Peanuts> Pinenuts> Radishes> Rape seed> Rutabaga> Sorghum> Soybean and soy products> Spinach> Strawberries> Sulphur-containing compounds (even some water supplies)> Sweet potatoes> Tofu> Turnips>> Walnuts (listed as interfering with thyroid meds on several thyroxine> prescribing information inserts)>>>> Cattle may ingest goitrogens and pass to humans through milk.> Substances which increase fecal bulk can cause excess loss of T4.> Iodine supplements or kelp products (should be avoided for autoimmune> patients) Note: There is debate on whether to add or avoid iodine-> containing products.> Calcium, iron, anti-acids (like Tums/Mylanta) should be taken 2-4> hours away from thyroid meds as they interfere with absorption.>> Note: Cooking does seem to deactivate the isoflavones in most> goitrogenic foods (except millet) -- so eating some of the foods> above in moderation is usually okay if they are well cooked. Even> raw, most people will not be affected by small amounts of goitrogenic> foods. But some may be ultra-sensitive to one or more on the list.>> References for goitrogenic lists:> http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george & dbid=47> http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter5/5a-2.htm> http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/thyroid-drug-faq.htm#> url:http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/natural/goi.htm)> url:http://www.ithyroid.com/goitrogens.htm)>>> "Cyanoglucosides are naturally occurring goitrogens that are digested> to release cyanide, which is converted to thiocyanate. Thiocyanate> inhibits iodide transport in the thyroid and, at higher levels,> inhibits organification. Foods that contain cyanoglucosides include> cassava, lima beans, maize, bamboo shoots, and sweet potatoes.>> Thioglucosides are natural goitrogens found in the Cruciferae family> of vegetables and weeds eaten by animals. When digested, they release> thiocyanate and isothiocyanate, which have thionamidelike properties> and are passed to humans via milk ingestion. "> http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic916.htm>> " A combination of low iodine intake and high intake of goitrogenic> foods increases the likelihood of goiter.24 25> Nutrient deficiencies, including zinc,26 manganese 27 and vitamin> A,28 29 and severe protein malnutrition30 also contribute to an> inability to use iodine well and to the development of goiter.31 32> In the presence of adequate iodine supplies, it is less common for> such factors to cause goiter;33 34 however, when iodine intake> becomes deficient, even mild malnutrition can have such a negative> impact on thyroid function.35 36 High levels of minerals such as> calcium and magnesium, and certain bacteria in drinking water, have> also been shown to be goitrogenic.37 38 Therefore, proper nutrition> and a healthy water supply are crucial in the prevention and> treatment of goiter. "> http://www.puritan.com/vf/healthnotes/HN75_english

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Scary! I was diagnosed with a Goiter at 18. I have two daughters ages 2 and 3 that can only have Soy since birth, not even breast milk. Gives them tummy problems. Hope I don't hand the wonderful world of Thyroid down to them like my grandmother gave me.

Kim

Re: Creamer and Soy> here is it:>> Here is some of the information I have collected on goitrogenic> foods.>> Keep in mind that moderate consumption of goitrogenic foods is> probably going to be okay. Cooking reduces the effect in most> (exception is millet). If you have been eating some of these foods> on a regular basis, then your meds are adjustedwith that intake> already factored in. You do not have to avoid all of this list.>> BTW, it is the isoflavones in soy that is a problem for thyroid> hormone -- soy oil has no isoflavones. It should not be a problem> unless a person has a sensitivity to soy itself.>>> Goitrogens:>> Almond Seeds> Babassu> Bamboo Shoots> Broccoli> Brussel Sprouts> Cabbage> Canola Oil> Cauliflower> Cassava> Horseradish> Kale> Kohlrabi> Lima Beans> Maize> Millet> Maize> Milk (see below)> Mustard> Peaches> Peanuts> Pinenuts> Radishes> Rape seed> Rutabaga> Sorghum> Soybean and soy products> Spinach> Strawberries> Sulphur-containing compounds (even some water supplies)> Sweet potatoes> Tofu> Turnips>> Walnuts (listed as interfering with thyroid meds on several thyroxine> prescribing information inserts)>>>> Cattle may ingest goitrogens and pass to humans through milk.> Substances which increase fecal bulk can cause excess loss of T4.> Iodine supplements or kelp products (should be avoided for autoimmune> patients) Note: There is debate on whether to add or avoid iodine-> containing products.> Calcium, iron, anti-acids (like Tums/Mylanta) should be taken 2-4> hours away from thyroid meds as they interfere with absorption.>> Note: Cooking does seem to deactivate the isoflavones in most> goitrogenic foods (except millet) -- so eating some of the foods> above in moderation is usually okay if they are well cooked. Even> raw, most people will not be affected by small amounts of goitrogenic> foods. But some may be ultra-sensitive to one or more on the list.>> References for goitrogenic lists:> http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george & dbid=47> http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter5/5a-2.htm> http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/thyroid-drug-faq.htm#> url:http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/natural/goi.htm)> url:http://www.ithyroid.com/goitrogens.htm)>>> "Cyanoglucosides are naturally occurring goitrogens that are digested> to release cyanide, which is converted to thiocyanate. Thiocyanate> inhibits iodide transport in the thyroid and, at higher levels,> inhibits organification. Foods that contain cyanoglucosides include> cassava, lima beans, maize, bamboo shoots, and sweet potatoes.>> Thioglucosides are natural goitrogens found in the Cruciferae family> of vegetables and weeds eaten by animals. When digested, they release> thiocyanate and isothiocyanate, which have thionamidelike properties> and are passed to humans via milk ingestion. "> http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic916.htm>> " A combination of low iodine intake and high intake of goitrogenic> foods increases the likelihood of goiter.24 25> Nutrient deficiencies, including zinc,26 manganese 27 and vitamin> A,28 29 and severe protein malnutrition30 also contribute to an> inability to use iodine well and to the development of goiter.31 32> In the presence of adequate iodine supplies, it is less common for> such factors to cause goiter;33 34 however, when iodine intake> becomes deficient, even mild malnutrition can have such a negative> impact on thyroid function.35 36 High levels of minerals such as> calcium and magnesium, and certain bacteria in drinking water, have> also been shown to be goitrogenic.37 38 Therefore, proper nutrition> and a healthy water supply are crucial in the prevention and> treatment of goiter. "> http://www.puritan.com/vf/healthnotes/HN75_english

[Guest guest]

Scary! I was diagnosed with a Goiter at 18. I have two daughters ages 2 and 3 that can only have Soy since birth, not even breast milk. Gives them tummy problems. Hope I don't hand the wonderful world of Thyroid down to them like my grandmother gave me.

Kim

Re: Creamer and Soy> here is it:>> Here is some of the information I have collected on goitrogenic> foods.>> Keep in mind that moderate consumption of goitrogenic foods is> probably going to be okay. Cooking reduces the effect in most> (exception is millet). If you have been eating some of these foods> on a regular basis, then your meds are adjustedwith that intake> already factored in. You do not have to avoid all of this list.>> BTW, it is the isoflavones in soy that is a problem for thyroid> hormone -- soy oil has no isoflavones. It should not be a problem> unless a person has a sensitivity to soy itself.>>> Goitrogens:>> Almond Seeds> Babassu> Bamboo Shoots> Broccoli> Brussel Sprouts> Cabbage> Canola Oil> Cauliflower> Cassava> Horseradish> Kale> Kohlrabi> Lima Beans> Maize> Millet> Maize> Milk (see below)> Mustard> Peaches> Peanuts> Pinenuts> Radishes> Rape seed> Rutabaga> Sorghum> Soybean and soy products> Spinach> Strawberries> Sulphur-containing compounds (even some water supplies)> Sweet potatoes> Tofu> Turnips>> Walnuts (listed as interfering with thyroid meds on several thyroxine> prescribing information inserts)>>>> Cattle may ingest goitrogens and pass to humans through milk.> Substances which increase fecal bulk can cause excess loss of T4.> Iodine supplements or kelp products (should be avoided for autoimmune> patients) Note: There is debate on whether to add or avoid iodine-> containing products.> Calcium, iron, anti-acids (like Tums/Mylanta) should be taken 2-4> hours away from thyroid meds as they interfere with absorption.>> Note: Cooking does seem to deactivate the isoflavones in most> goitrogenic foods (except millet) -- so eating some of the foods> above in moderation is usually okay if they are well cooked. Even> raw, most people will not be affected by small amounts of goitrogenic> foods. But some may be ultra-sensitive to one or more on the list.>> References for goitrogenic lists:> http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george & dbid=47> http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter5/5a-2.htm> http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/thyroid-drug-faq.htm#> url:http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/natural/goi.htm)> url:http://www.ithyroid.com/goitrogens.htm)>>> "Cyanoglucosides are naturally occurring goitrogens that are digested> to release cyanide, which is converted to thiocyanate. Thiocyanate> inhibits iodide transport in the thyroid and, at higher levels,> inhibits organification. Foods that contain cyanoglucosides include> cassava, lima beans, maize, bamboo shoots, and sweet potatoes.>> Thioglucosides are natural goitrogens found in the Cruciferae family> of vegetables and weeds eaten by animals. When digested, they release> thiocyanate and isothiocyanate, which have thionamidelike properties> and are passed to humans via milk ingestion. "> http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic916.htm>> " A combination of low iodine intake and high intake of goitrogenic> foods increases the likelihood of goiter.24 25> Nutrient deficiencies, including zinc,26 manganese 27 and vitamin> A,28 29 and severe protein malnutrition30 also contribute to an> inability to use iodine well and to the development of goiter.31 32> In the presence of adequate iodine supplies, it is less common for> such factors to cause goiter;33 34 however, when iodine intake> becomes deficient, even mild malnutrition can have such a negative> impact on thyroid function.35 36 High levels of minerals such as> calcium and magnesium, and certain bacteria in drinking water, have> also been shown to be goitrogenic.37 38 Therefore, proper nutrition> and a healthy water supply are crucial in the prevention and> treatment of goiter. "> http://www.puritan.com/vf/healthnotes/HN75_english

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I was on soy milk as a baby, too. I was lactose intolerant.. couldn't do mammal milk (cow or human). I had a few months where I was lactose intolerant after my RAI too..... but that eventually went away. The first time it happened was just a few weeks after the RAI, I went out to lunch with my mom and my cousin... I loooovveee a pat of butter on my mashed potatoes... so I put the little pat on and mixed it in and took a fork full... I swallowed and suddenly had the urge for the restroom... I made it about half way across the restaurant and then did a u-turn for the front door and headed for the car.... the others came after me to see what happened... they took me home so that I could shower and change. Now I can't have anything that has both Carageenan and Guar Gum in it..... My intestinal reaction is so rapid and so profound.. Let's just say that I have been known to not make it to the bathroom. The last time that happened I had a chocolate shake from Burger King... I was expelling from both ends... I had to call them up and ask the manager for the ingredient list.. he was all paranoid that I was going to sue them or something... I had to keep explaining that I had a reaction to those two ingredients and that I was sure that my sudden illness was that I was still having that same reaction.. I just needed to confirm it, so that we knew that we could go on with the day, and realize that I had to continue to avoid that combination... He finally believed me and got a bag of the mix and read it to me... sure enough.. both items were there! Problem solved.. I had already purged, we could go on with our day, I was not 'ill' at all.

I get the strangest looks from folks when I ask the ingredient content of stuff... Most cheap ice creams, ice milks and a lot of yogurts and custards are made with those two ingredients used as thickeners.... I can have just one or the other.. but not the two in combination.

Topper () *see why I do most of my own cooking and baking - I KNOW what's in the stuff!!!!*

On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:39:27 -0500 " Graham" writes:

Scary! I was diagnosed with a Goiter at 18. I have two daughters ages 2 and 3 that can only have Soy since birth, not even breast milk. Gives them tummy problems. Hope I don't hand the wonderful world of Thyroid down to them like my grandmother gave me.

Kim

[Guest guest]

I was on soy milk as a baby, too. I was lactose intolerant.. couldn't do mammal milk (cow or human). I had a few months where I was lactose intolerant after my RAI too..... but that eventually went away. The first time it happened was just a few weeks after the RAI, I went out to lunch with my mom and my cousin... I loooovveee a pat of butter on my mashed potatoes... so I put the little pat on and mixed it in and took a fork full... I swallowed and suddenly had the urge for the restroom... I made it about half way across the restaurant and then did a u-turn for the front door and headed for the car.... the others came after me to see what happened... they took me home so that I could shower and change. Now I can't have anything that has both Carageenan and Guar Gum in it..... My intestinal reaction is so rapid and so profound.. Let's just say that I have been known to not make it to the bathroom. The last time that happened I had a chocolate shake from Burger King... I was expelling from both ends... I had to call them up and ask the manager for the ingredient list.. he was all paranoid that I was going to sue them or something... I had to keep explaining that I had a reaction to those two ingredients and that I was sure that my sudden illness was that I was still having that same reaction.. I just needed to confirm it, so that we knew that we could go on with the day, and realize that I had to continue to avoid that combination... He finally believed me and got a bag of the mix and read it to me... sure enough.. both items were there! Problem solved.. I had already purged, we could go on with our day, I was not 'ill' at all.

I get the strangest looks from folks when I ask the ingredient content of stuff... Most cheap ice creams, ice milks and a lot of yogurts and custards are made with those two ingredients used as thickeners.... I can have just one or the other.. but not the two in combination.

Topper () *see why I do most of my own cooking and baking - I KNOW what's in the stuff!!!!*

On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:39:27 -0500 " Graham" writes:

Scary! I was diagnosed with a Goiter at 18. I have two daughters ages 2 and 3 that can only have Soy since birth, not even breast milk. Gives them tummy problems. Hope I don't hand the wonderful world of Thyroid down to them like my grandmother gave me.

Kim

[Guest guest]

I was on soy milk as a baby, too. I was lactose intolerant.. couldn't do mammal milk (cow or human). I had a few months where I was lactose intolerant after my RAI too..... but that eventually went away. The first time it happened was just a few weeks after the RAI, I went out to lunch with my mom and my cousin... I loooovveee a pat of butter on my mashed potatoes... so I put the little pat on and mixed it in and took a fork full... I swallowed and suddenly had the urge for the restroom... I made it about half way across the restaurant and then did a u-turn for the front door and headed for the car.... the others came after me to see what happened... they took me home so that I could shower and change. Now I can't have anything that has both Carageenan and Guar Gum in it..... My intestinal reaction is so rapid and so profound.. Let's just say that I have been known to not make it to the bathroom. The last time that happened I had a chocolate shake from Burger King... I was expelling from both ends... I had to call them up and ask the manager for the ingredient list.. he was all paranoid that I was going to sue them or something... I had to keep explaining that I had a reaction to those two ingredients and that I was sure that my sudden illness was that I was still having that same reaction.. I just needed to confirm it, so that we knew that we could go on with the day, and realize that I had to continue to avoid that combination... He finally believed me and got a bag of the mix and read it to me... sure enough.. both items were there! Problem solved.. I had already purged, we could go on with our day, I was not 'ill' at all.

I get the strangest looks from folks when I ask the ingredient content of stuff... Most cheap ice creams, ice milks and a lot of yogurts and custards are made with those two ingredients used as thickeners.... I can have just one or the other.. but not the two in combination.

Topper () *see why I do most of my own cooking and baking - I KNOW what's in the stuff!!!!*

On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:39:27 -0500 " Graham" writes:

Scary! I was diagnosed with a Goiter at 18. I have two daughters ages 2 and 3 that can only have Soy since birth, not even breast milk. Gives them tummy problems. Hope I don't hand the wonderful world of Thyroid down to them like my grandmother gave me.

Kim

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This is interesting, very interesting... am I reading this correctly? The soy binds with the iodine.. prohibiting production of thyroid hormone.. that would mean for those of us with little or no thyroid function, totally dependant on hormone replacement, soy is not a negative, as far as thyroid hormone levels are concerned?

Interesting... I will still avoid the stuff.. too much information on the negative effects of taking the stuff into the body, even in this article.

Topper () *just call me chicken!*

On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 14:55:50 -0000 LestatL382@... writes:

I did a search on about.com for soy formula and came back with some things. Here is one of them. (And remember there is a genetic link with thyroid problems.)I would look for an alternative formula:A Look at the Dangers of Soy to the Health of Your ThyroidHealth and nutrition magazines tout the benefits of soy as a cure-all for women's health, hormonal problems, cancer prevention, weight

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[Guest guest]

This is interesting, very interesting... am I reading this correctly? The soy binds with the iodine.. prohibiting production of thyroid hormone.. that would mean for those of us with little or no thyroid function, totally dependant on hormone replacement, soy is not a negative, as far as thyroid hormone levels are concerned?

Interesting... I will still avoid the stuff.. too much information on the negative effects of taking the stuff into the body, even in this article.

Topper () *just call me chicken!*

On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 14:55:50 -0000 LestatL382@... writes:

I did a search on about.com for soy formula and came back with some things. Here is one of them. (And remember there is a genetic link with thyroid problems.)I would look for an alternative formula:A Look at the Dangers of Soy to the Health of Your ThyroidHealth and nutrition magazines tout the benefits of soy as a cure-all for women's health, hormonal problems, cancer prevention, weight

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[Guest guest]

If it binds with your thyroid hormone, wouldn't it bind with the Armour or any other thyroid med you're taking?

-----Original Message-----From: topper2@... Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 12:11 PMTo: The_Thyroid_Support_Group Subject: Re: Re: Creamer and Soy

This is interesting, very interesting... am I reading this correctly? The soy binds with the iodine.. prohibiting production of thyroid hormone.. that would mean for those of us with little or no thyroid function, totally dependant on hormone replacement, soy is not a negative, as far as thyroid hormone levels are concerned?

Interesting... I will still avoid the stuff.. too much information on the negative effects of taking the stuff into the body, even in this article.

Topper () *just call me chicken!*

[Guest guest]

If it binds with your thyroid hormone, wouldn't it bind with the Armour or any other thyroid med you're taking?

-----Original Message-----From: topper2@... Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 12:11 PMTo: The_Thyroid_Support_Group Subject: Re: Re: Creamer and Soy

This is interesting, very interesting... am I reading this correctly? The soy binds with the iodine.. prohibiting production of thyroid hormone.. that would mean for those of us with little or no thyroid function, totally dependant on hormone replacement, soy is not a negative, as far as thyroid hormone levels are concerned?

Interesting... I will still avoid the stuff.. too much information on the negative effects of taking the stuff into the body, even in this article.

Topper () *just call me chicken!*

[Guest guest]

yes,

>

>Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>Subject: RE: Re: Creamer and Soy

>Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:38:25 -0500

>

>If it binds with your thyroid hormone, wouldn't it bind with the Armour

>or any other thyroid med you're taking?

>

> Re: Re: Creamer and Soy

>

>

>This is interesting, very interesting... am I reading this correctly?

>The soy binds with the iodine.. prohibiting production of thyroid

>hormone.. that would mean for those of us with little or no thyroid

>function, totally dependant on hormone replacement, soy is not a

>negative, as far as thyroid hormone levels are concerned?

>

>Interesting... I will still avoid the stuff.. too much information on

>the negative effects of taking the stuff into the body, even in this

>article.

>

>Topper () *just call me chicken!*

>

>

[Guest guest]

yes,

>

>Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

>Subject: RE: Re: Creamer and Soy

>Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:38:25 -0500

>

>If it binds with your thyroid hormone, wouldn't it bind with the Armour

>or any other thyroid med you're taking?

>

> Re: Re: Creamer and Soy

>

>

>This is interesting, very interesting... am I reading this correctly?

>The soy binds with the iodine.. prohibiting production of thyroid

>hormone.. that would mean for those of us with little or no thyroid

>function, totally dependant on hormone replacement, soy is not a

>negative, as far as thyroid hormone levels are concerned?

>

>Interesting... I will still avoid the stuff.. too much information on

>the negative effects of taking the stuff into the body, even in this

>article.

>

>Topper () *just call me chicken!*

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, I read it more carefully. IT binds with teh iodine, not the thyroid hormone. But if it binds with iodine, it would still get in the way of conversion of t4 to t3 to t2 etc. Also if it binds with iodine, it would make you iodine deficient, which is not good.

>>Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >Subject: RE: Re: Creamer and Soy>Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:38:25 -0500>>If it binds with your thyroid hormone, wouldn't it bind with the Armour>or any other thyroid med you're taking?>> Re: Re: Creamer and Soy>>>This is interesting, very interesting... am I reading this correctly?>The soy binds with the iodine.. prohibiting production of thyroid>hormone.. that would mean for those of us with little or no thyroid>function, totally dependant on hormone replacement, soy is not a>negative, as far as thyroid hormone levels are concerned?>>Interesting... I will still avoid the stuff.. too much information on>the negative effects of taking the stuff into the body, even in this>article.>>Topper () *just call me chicken!*>

[Guest guest]

Oh, I read it more carefully. IT binds with teh iodine, not the thyroid hormone. But if it binds with iodine, it would still get in the way of conversion of t4 to t3 to t2 etc. Also if it binds with iodine, it would make you iodine deficient, which is not good.

>>Reply-To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group >Subject: RE: Re: Creamer and Soy>Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:38:25 -0500>>If it binds with your thyroid hormone, wouldn't it bind with the Armour>or any other thyroid med you're taking?>> Re: Re: Creamer and Soy>>>This is interesting, very interesting... am I reading this correctly?>The soy binds with the iodine.. prohibiting production of thyroid>hormone.. that would mean for those of us with little or no thyroid>function, totally dependant on hormone replacement, soy is not a>negative, as far as thyroid hormone levels are concerned?>>Interesting... I will still avoid the stuff.. too much information on>the negative effects of taking the stuff into the body, even in this>article.>>Topper () *just call me chicken!*>

[Guest guest]

The conversion process is the removal of an iodine molecule... a T4 has an iodine pulled off to become a T3, a T3 has one pulled off to become a T2, etc....

But.... if the iodine is bound it can not be used else where in the body..... and... another thought, if someone has time to research.... if the soy binds with iodine, can it bind with iodine molecules that are still part of a thyroid molecule? If that is so.. then that could be one of the reasons for thyroid hormone resistance?

I'm just running my brain here.... the molecules would be altered if the soy is bound to them and they would no longer be able to enter the cells normally... and maybe conversion wouldn't be possible either because of the odd shape and the chemical reaction involved with the selenium not physically possible..

Interesting... I get into this stuff.. understanding how it works to see how I can work with that to still get the most bang for my buck... if you get my meaning.

Topper ()

On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:14:02 -0500 Debbie K writes:

Oh, I read it more carefully. IT binds with teh iodine, not the thyroid hormone. But if it binds with iodine, it would still get in the way of conversion of t4 to t3 to t2 etc. Also if it binds with iodine, it would make you iodine deficient, which is not good.

[Guest guest]

The conversion process is the removal of an iodine molecule... a T4 has an iodine pulled off to become a T3, a T3 has one pulled off to become a T2, etc....

But.... if the iodine is bound it can not be used else where in the body..... and... another thought, if someone has time to research.... if the soy binds with iodine, can it bind with iodine molecules that are still part of a thyroid molecule? If that is so.. then that could be one of the reasons for thyroid hormone resistance?

I'm just running my brain here.... the molecules would be altered if the soy is bound to them and they would no longer be able to enter the cells normally... and maybe conversion wouldn't be possible either because of the odd shape and the chemical reaction involved with the selenium not physically possible..

Interesting... I get into this stuff.. understanding how it works to see how I can work with that to still get the most bang for my buck... if you get my meaning.

Topper ()

On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:14:02 -0500 Debbie K writes:

Oh, I read it more carefully. IT binds with teh iodine, not the thyroid hormone. But if it binds with iodine, it would still get in the way of conversion of t4 to t3 to t2 etc. Also if it binds with iodine, it would make you iodine deficient, which is not good.

[Guest guest]

The conversion process is the removal of an iodine molecule... a T4 has an iodine pulled off to become a T3, a T3 has one pulled off to become a T2, etc....

But.... if the iodine is bound it can not be used else where in the body..... and... another thought, if someone has time to research.... if the soy binds with iodine, can it bind with iodine molecules that are still part of a thyroid molecule? If that is so.. then that could be one of the reasons for thyroid hormone resistance?

I'm just running my brain here.... the molecules would be altered if the soy is bound to them and they would no longer be able to enter the cells normally... and maybe conversion wouldn't be possible either because of the odd shape and the chemical reaction involved with the selenium not physically possible..

Interesting... I get into this stuff.. understanding how it works to see how I can work with that to still get the most bang for my buck... if you get my meaning.

Topper ()

On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:14:02 -0500 Debbie K writes:

Oh, I read it more carefully. IT binds with teh iodine, not the thyroid hormone. But if it binds with iodine, it would still get in the way of conversion of t4 to t3 to t2 etc. Also if it binds with iodine, it would make you iodine deficient, which is not good.

[Guest guest]

Ah ha! That's how it works...

This kid is staying away from soy as much as possible... So far there are two items that I haven't found a soy free source for... so they are now on "treat" status, no longer a daily thing. Miracle whip and peanut butter.

I was trying to get back into doing salads... So I go to grab my favorite dressing... not only soy, but high fructose corn syrup too! EEEEkkkkkkkk. So I mix my own dressing now... It's passable. I was never really a heavy dressing person anyway.. so the adjustment ended up not being that huge a deal anyway.

Topper ()

On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 21:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Jan writes:

Soy also keeps the thyroid hormone from getting into your cells, regardless of the source. The insidious thing about it is that it goes floating around in your blood since it can't get into your cells, and your blood work looks good. . . .Then your doc calls and tells you to reduce your dose, even though you are as hypo as h*ll. . . .

[Guest guest]

Cool, I did not know that!

Topper ()

On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 09:52:57 -0000 "blithezb00tik" writes:

Other foods containing fermented soy are miso paste and tempeh.