Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 << I am still spiking (today I had a 9.0 or 162) two hours after eating 1/2 a sandwich at a work party. I am slightly over weight, maybe about 25 pounds at this point, but I have lost 20 pounds in the past 21 days. I >> Jacky, even half a sandwich will have carbs...one bread slice can run anywhere from 20 to 35 carbs per slice (and we're not talking thick sliced). Some bread has less carbs but you have to hunt for it. So that's probably what spiked your BGs. If your hubby feels you're getting preoccupied with this disease, try not to discuss it so much with him...but feel free to ask us any and all questions. Does he understand all the implications of this disease? Do you have your copy of Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions yet? When you get it, after you read it, see if you can get him to read it too. It's critical that he understands what you're dealing with. A supportive partner is critical to good control! Twenty pounds in 22 days is a bit much. Ideally you should lose weight at a rate of about two pounds a week. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 << I am still spiking (today I had a 9.0 or 162) two hours after eating 1/2 a sandwich at a work party. I am slightly over weight, maybe about 25 pounds at this point, but I have lost 20 pounds in the past 21 days. I >> Jacky, even half a sandwich will have carbs...one bread slice can run anywhere from 20 to 35 carbs per slice (and we're not talking thick sliced). Some bread has less carbs but you have to hunt for it. So that's probably what spiked your BGs. If your hubby feels you're getting preoccupied with this disease, try not to discuss it so much with him...but feel free to ask us any and all questions. Does he understand all the implications of this disease? Do you have your copy of Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions yet? When you get it, after you read it, see if you can get him to read it too. It's critical that he understands what you're dealing with. A supportive partner is critical to good control! Twenty pounds in 22 days is a bit much. Ideally you should lose weight at a rate of about two pounds a week. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 << I am still spiking (today I had a 9.0 or 162) two hours after eating 1/2 a sandwich at a work party. I am slightly over weight, maybe about 25 pounds at this point, but I have lost 20 pounds in the past 21 days. I >> Jacky, even half a sandwich will have carbs...one bread slice can run anywhere from 20 to 35 carbs per slice (and we're not talking thick sliced). Some bread has less carbs but you have to hunt for it. So that's probably what spiked your BGs. If your hubby feels you're getting preoccupied with this disease, try not to discuss it so much with him...but feel free to ask us any and all questions. Does he understand all the implications of this disease? Do you have your copy of Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions yet? When you get it, after you read it, see if you can get him to read it too. It's critical that he understands what you're dealing with. A supportive partner is critical to good control! Twenty pounds in 22 days is a bit much. Ideally you should lose weight at a rate of about two pounds a week. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 Hello willabee@..., In reference to your comment: ð This can't be right to eat so little and still have a 9 after ð only 1/2 a sandwich and nothing else. Someone ð please tell me what I am doing wrong. 1 hour later it ð was down to 6.6. I had another 173 calories for ð supper, did 50 minutes of high impact aerobics and got ð a 6.2. I had 13.5 grams of carbs with supper, all ð veggies (broccoli, cauliflower, onions, celery and green ð pepper, al measured exactly) with a lean chicken ð breast. Now I am hungry and I can't eat again until ð morning. If you need the meds, to stay in a good healthy range, then so be it.... its not a bad thing. Jacky a 6.6 one hour after eating is NOT a bad thing, esp when you ate half a sandwich, ie bread. I eat way more calories, in a day, i'm not loosing wt as fast as you, but i'm very rarely hungry, and when i am, i eat. The things you need to watch for and test for, and post about are: test blood upon waking, BEFORE getting out of bed. test blood before each meal test blood 2 hrs after each meal, I do not get alarmed unless my fasting is over 160, and my 2 hr after eating levels are over 140 (on a regular basis) Its my goal to keep my fasting under 140, and my 2 hr after eating levels under 140, with my average blood levels being between 80 and 120. My HBA1C 's have been staying at 6.0 and 6.1 and 6.0 i'm due for another one the end of dec. An average day of eating recently consists of: about 8 am 8 oz block of pepper jack cheese, sliced and nuked till it melted then eaten with a spoon and about 8 oz of sliced pepperoni (btw walmart sells pepperoni for 1.97 a lb as opposed to most grocery stores of 3.45 or so a lb.) about 2pm a large bowl of thick soup, homemade with chicken, and broccoli, and cabbage, and onion, and peppers, and carrots, and celery. 4-6 ritz crackers about 5pm often while cooking dinner 3-4 oz of cheese or pepperoni or meat or cheese ends. about 7 pm 8 - 10 oz of steak, sauteed onions, peppers, mushrooms, and half a 12 oz bag of brussel sprouts steamed with 2 tbs cheez whiz on it. 7:30 am before getting out of bed bs 138 10:00 am bs124 4pm bs 92 7pm bs 98 9:30pm bs 110 no meds, no signifigant amount of exercise. (yeah i know i should get back to swimming, but its not easy to get out of the house and go there) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 Hello willabee@..., In reference to your comment: ð I am considering metformin. Here is why, I have to ð really struggle to keep my blood sugar levels under 6.6 ð and I wonder if I am strong enough to keep up such a ð low calorie and low carb diet. Metformin, is primarily a medication that lowers the dawn effect, without knowing your dawn fasting, rising blood sugars its very hard to know what would be a good idea about starting to take it. All medications do stress the body, either liver or kidneys a bit, as they do need to be processed thru there. Medications are better than side effects of the disease, and also better than constantly feeling miserable and deprived. a lot of diabetic medications do stress the pancrease somewhat, by prodding the cells that produce the insulin to do it more intently. I've been told by both my diabetic educator, and my dr that metformin does do this, but does it a lot less than the sulf's that were known for doing this and wearing out the pancreas thus landing folks on insulin in about 6 yrs. So in summary, metformin is not a bad idea, its safer than some other drugs, but not as safe as going with just diet and exercise control IF you can do that and maintain blood levels that are safe and healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 Hello willabee@..., In reference to your comment: ð I am considering metformin. Here is why, I have to ð really struggle to keep my blood sugar levels under 6.6 ð and I wonder if I am strong enough to keep up such a ð low calorie and low carb diet. Metformin, is primarily a medication that lowers the dawn effect, without knowing your dawn fasting, rising blood sugars its very hard to know what would be a good idea about starting to take it. All medications do stress the body, either liver or kidneys a bit, as they do need to be processed thru there. Medications are better than side effects of the disease, and also better than constantly feeling miserable and deprived. a lot of diabetic medications do stress the pancrease somewhat, by prodding the cells that produce the insulin to do it more intently. I've been told by both my diabetic educator, and my dr that metformin does do this, but does it a lot less than the sulf's that were known for doing this and wearing out the pancreas thus landing folks on insulin in about 6 yrs. So in summary, metformin is not a bad idea, its safer than some other drugs, but not as safe as going with just diet and exercise control IF you can do that and maintain blood levels that are safe and healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 Hello willabee@..., In reference to your comment: ð I am considering metformin. Here is why, I have to ð really struggle to keep my blood sugar levels under 6.6 ð and I wonder if I am strong enough to keep up such a ð low calorie and low carb diet. Metformin, is primarily a medication that lowers the dawn effect, without knowing your dawn fasting, rising blood sugars its very hard to know what would be a good idea about starting to take it. All medications do stress the body, either liver or kidneys a bit, as they do need to be processed thru there. Medications are better than side effects of the disease, and also better than constantly feeling miserable and deprived. a lot of diabetic medications do stress the pancrease somewhat, by prodding the cells that produce the insulin to do it more intently. I've been told by both my diabetic educator, and my dr that metformin does do this, but does it a lot less than the sulf's that were known for doing this and wearing out the pancreas thus landing folks on insulin in about 6 yrs. So in summary, metformin is not a bad idea, its safer than some other drugs, but not as safe as going with just diet and exercise control IF you can do that and maintain blood levels that are safe and healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 I have a question. Why is it so important to people to stay off the drugs that can help us lead a more normal eating lifestyle? I'm controlling with diet and exercise also right now and would prefer to stay off drugs too, but if it gets to a point where I cannot eat carbs at all and I am having trouble, I would definitely get serious about drugs. We readily take medication to control high blood pressure, etc., so why the resistance to diabetes drugs? What are the downsides to taking drugs such as metforim...that's glucophage, right? This is all very confusing to me because the doctors give one level of acceptable bs readings, and yet the diabetes lists I'm on are so much more strict. It scares me!! I am never sure I'm doing things right, but I've learned so much from this group already I value your opinions. Jacky....how in the world did you manage to lost 20 pounds in 21 days?? That is just amazing! You go girl!!! Sandi Metforim Hello all, I have an appointment with my GP tomorrow and I am considering metformin. Here is why, I have to really struggle to keep my blood sugar levels under 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 I have a question. Why is it so important to people to stay off the drugs that can help us lead a more normal eating lifestyle? I'm controlling with diet and exercise also right now and would prefer to stay off drugs too, but if it gets to a point where I cannot eat carbs at all and I am having trouble, I would definitely get serious about drugs. We readily take medication to control high blood pressure, etc., so why the resistance to diabetes drugs? What are the downsides to taking drugs such as metforim...that's glucophage, right? This is all very confusing to me because the doctors give one level of acceptable bs readings, and yet the diabetes lists I'm on are so much more strict. It scares me!! I am never sure I'm doing things right, but I've learned so much from this group already I value your opinions. Jacky....how in the world did you manage to lost 20 pounds in 21 days?? That is just amazing! You go girl!!! Sandi Metforim Hello all, I have an appointment with my GP tomorrow and I am considering metformin. Here is why, I have to really struggle to keep my blood sugar levels under 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 I have a question. Why is it so important to people to stay off the drugs that can help us lead a more normal eating lifestyle? I'm controlling with diet and exercise also right now and would prefer to stay off drugs too, but if it gets to a point where I cannot eat carbs at all and I am having trouble, I would definitely get serious about drugs. We readily take medication to control high blood pressure, etc., so why the resistance to diabetes drugs? What are the downsides to taking drugs such as metforim...that's glucophage, right? This is all very confusing to me because the doctors give one level of acceptable bs readings, and yet the diabetes lists I'm on are so much more strict. It scares me!! I am never sure I'm doing things right, but I've learned so much from this group already I value your opinions. Jacky....how in the world did you manage to lost 20 pounds in 21 days?? That is just amazing! You go girl!!! Sandi Metforim Hello all, I have an appointment with my GP tomorrow and I am considering metformin. Here is why, I have to really struggle to keep my blood sugar levels under 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 Well, gosh, , I have to lose about eight pounds and I'd just about decided to give up on cheese, which I eat a lot of, and consider a major weight-gain culprit...and now I see you're eating an 8 ounce block of cheese and still losing weight. Dare I try it? Vicki PS: I like the idea of melting it and eating with a spoon, smile... << n average day of eating recently consists of: about 8 am 8 oz block of pepper jack cheese, sliced and nuked till it melted then eaten with a spoon and about 8 oz of sliced pepperoni (btw walmart sells pepperoni for 1.97 a lb as opposed to most grocery stores of 3.45 or so a lb.) >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 Well, gosh, , I have to lose about eight pounds and I'd just about decided to give up on cheese, which I eat a lot of, and consider a major weight-gain culprit...and now I see you're eating an 8 ounce block of cheese and still losing weight. Dare I try it? Vicki PS: I like the idea of melting it and eating with a spoon, smile... << n average day of eating recently consists of: about 8 am 8 oz block of pepper jack cheese, sliced and nuked till it melted then eaten with a spoon and about 8 oz of sliced pepperoni (btw walmart sells pepperoni for 1.97 a lb as opposed to most grocery stores of 3.45 or so a lb.) >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 Well, gosh, , I have to lose about eight pounds and I'd just about decided to give up on cheese, which I eat a lot of, and consider a major weight-gain culprit...and now I see you're eating an 8 ounce block of cheese and still losing weight. Dare I try it? Vicki PS: I like the idea of melting it and eating with a spoon, smile... << n average day of eating recently consists of: about 8 am 8 oz block of pepper jack cheese, sliced and nuked till it melted then eaten with a spoon and about 8 oz of sliced pepperoni (btw walmart sells pepperoni for 1.97 a lb as opposed to most grocery stores of 3.45 or so a lb.) >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 Hi Sandy, > Jacky....how in the world did you manage to lost 20 pounds in 21 > days?? That is just amazing! You go girl!!! Well, I just went through and calculated total caloric intake for today, an average day and I was wrong, it wasn't 900 it was 643 calories a day. This can't be right to eat so little and still have a 9 after only 1/2 a sandwich and nothing else. Someone please tell me what I am doing wrong. 1 hour later it was down to 6.6. I had another 173 calories for supper, did 50 minutes of high impact aerobics and got a 6.2. I had 13.5 grams of carbs with supper, all veggies (broccoli, cauliflower, onions, celery and green pepper, al measured exactly) with a lean chicken breast. Now I am hungry and I can't eat again until morning. This isn't living, I must be doing something wrong. Jacky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 Hi Sandy, > Jacky....how in the world did you manage to lost 20 pounds in 21 > days?? That is just amazing! You go girl!!! Well, I just went through and calculated total caloric intake for today, an average day and I was wrong, it wasn't 900 it was 643 calories a day. This can't be right to eat so little and still have a 9 after only 1/2 a sandwich and nothing else. Someone please tell me what I am doing wrong. 1 hour later it was down to 6.6. I had another 173 calories for supper, did 50 minutes of high impact aerobics and got a 6.2. I had 13.5 grams of carbs with supper, all veggies (broccoli, cauliflower, onions, celery and green pepper, al measured exactly) with a lean chicken breast. Now I am hungry and I can't eat again until morning. This isn't living, I must be doing something wrong. Jacky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jacky > sugar levels under 6.6 and I wonder if I am strong enough to keep up > such a low calorie and low carb diet. It has only been 4 weeks, and I .... > just couldn't do this any more. Right now I am eating about 900 > calories a day, 30 grams of carbs and I am still spiking > (today I had a > 9.0 or 162) two hours after eating 1/2 a sandwich at a work > party. I am You know, you don't really have to keep your calories so low just to keep your carbs low. I would think it would be very hard, if not harmful. The thing is that it's OK to increase calories by increasing fats when carbs are low. Many or most of us find that dietary fats do not cause cholesterol problems if carbs are low. In fact, I suspect that low carb eating leads to a better cholesterol balance than low fat for most of us. This can add a lot of satisfaction and energy to our diet without raising blood sugars. Just avoid the trans fats (i.e., hydrogenated oils such as those in most shortening and margarine) -- they are the fats that the studies show cause harm. I suspect you could increase your calories quite a bit and still lose weight -- just a little more slowly. And that's OK. Many of us find that the bread in even half a sandwich can spike our blood sugars. Bread generally converts to blood glucose faster than table sugar. To keep in control we have to find a WOE that works and can be lived with. I have kept under 30 g. / day carbs for several years now, but I do eat meat, cheese, nuts, eggs, salads, chicken, fish, low carb leafy veggies, green beans, etc. If I have a hamburger, I generally eat everything but the bun without making an issue of it. It really can be managed. Perhaps, you can try to make it a habit rather than an obsession. After all, that's what much of our eating patterns often are. In the meantime, meds, especially while establishing control, shouldn't necessarily be rejected out of hand. Tom the Actuary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jacky > sugar levels under 6.6 and I wonder if I am strong enough to keep up > such a low calorie and low carb diet. It has only been 4 weeks, and I .... > just couldn't do this any more. Right now I am eating about 900 > calories a day, 30 grams of carbs and I am still spiking > (today I had a > 9.0 or 162) two hours after eating 1/2 a sandwich at a work > party. I am You know, you don't really have to keep your calories so low just to keep your carbs low. I would think it would be very hard, if not harmful. The thing is that it's OK to increase calories by increasing fats when carbs are low. Many or most of us find that dietary fats do not cause cholesterol problems if carbs are low. In fact, I suspect that low carb eating leads to a better cholesterol balance than low fat for most of us. This can add a lot of satisfaction and energy to our diet without raising blood sugars. Just avoid the trans fats (i.e., hydrogenated oils such as those in most shortening and margarine) -- they are the fats that the studies show cause harm. I suspect you could increase your calories quite a bit and still lose weight -- just a little more slowly. And that's OK. Many of us find that the bread in even half a sandwich can spike our blood sugars. Bread generally converts to blood glucose faster than table sugar. To keep in control we have to find a WOE that works and can be lived with. I have kept under 30 g. / day carbs for several years now, but I do eat meat, cheese, nuts, eggs, salads, chicken, fish, low carb leafy veggies, green beans, etc. If I have a hamburger, I generally eat everything but the bun without making an issue of it. It really can be managed. Perhaps, you can try to make it a habit rather than an obsession. After all, that's what much of our eating patterns often are. In the meantime, meds, especially while establishing control, shouldn't necessarily be rejected out of hand. Tom the Actuary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jacky > sugar levels under 6.6 and I wonder if I am strong enough to keep up > such a low calorie and low carb diet. It has only been 4 weeks, and I .... > just couldn't do this any more. Right now I am eating about 900 > calories a day, 30 grams of carbs and I am still spiking > (today I had a > 9.0 or 162) two hours after eating 1/2 a sandwich at a work > party. I am You know, you don't really have to keep your calories so low just to keep your carbs low. I would think it would be very hard, if not harmful. The thing is that it's OK to increase calories by increasing fats when carbs are low. Many or most of us find that dietary fats do not cause cholesterol problems if carbs are low. In fact, I suspect that low carb eating leads to a better cholesterol balance than low fat for most of us. This can add a lot of satisfaction and energy to our diet without raising blood sugars. Just avoid the trans fats (i.e., hydrogenated oils such as those in most shortening and margarine) -- they are the fats that the studies show cause harm. I suspect you could increase your calories quite a bit and still lose weight -- just a little more slowly. And that's OK. Many of us find that the bread in even half a sandwich can spike our blood sugars. Bread generally converts to blood glucose faster than table sugar. To keep in control we have to find a WOE that works and can be lived with. I have kept under 30 g. / day carbs for several years now, but I do eat meat, cheese, nuts, eggs, salads, chicken, fish, low carb leafy veggies, green beans, etc. If I have a hamburger, I generally eat everything but the bun without making an issue of it. It really can be managed. Perhaps, you can try to make it a habit rather than an obsession. After all, that's what much of our eating patterns often are. In the meantime, meds, especially while establishing control, shouldn't necessarily be rejected out of hand. Tom the Actuary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 Jacky, this might be a good idea. Start with a low dose, as many people have big gastric troubles with the stuff (gas, diarrhea), but it usually passes in a few days. Some just can't handle it (metformin). I just had some gas for a bit. I'd start with 500 mg at dinner and after a few days maybe add 500 mg at breakfast. then another 500 at dinner, etc. If you're still spiking like that on 30 g of carbs per day, I'd say you need a little help. And many have been able to get off their meds after they've lost the weight, which improves insulin resistance and stablized. Metformin is a good choice. Barb > Right now I am eating about 900 > calories a day, 30 grams of carbs and I am still spiking (today I had a > 9.0 or 162) two hours after eating 1/2 a sandwich at a work party. I am > slightly over weight, maybe about 25 pounds at this point, but I have > lost 20 pounds in the past 21 days. I have to exercise twice a day to > keep my levels in the 5's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 Jacky, this might be a good idea. Start with a low dose, as many people have big gastric troubles with the stuff (gas, diarrhea), but it usually passes in a few days. Some just can't handle it (metformin). I just had some gas for a bit. I'd start with 500 mg at dinner and after a few days maybe add 500 mg at breakfast. then another 500 at dinner, etc. If you're still spiking like that on 30 g of carbs per day, I'd say you need a little help. And many have been able to get off their meds after they've lost the weight, which improves insulin resistance and stablized. Metformin is a good choice. Barb > Right now I am eating about 900 > calories a day, 30 grams of carbs and I am still spiking (today I had a > 9.0 or 162) two hours after eating 1/2 a sandwich at a work party. I am > slightly over weight, maybe about 25 pounds at this point, but I have > lost 20 pounds in the past 21 days. I have to exercise twice a day to > keep my levels in the 5's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 Jacky, this might be a good idea. Start with a low dose, as many people have big gastric troubles with the stuff (gas, diarrhea), but it usually passes in a few days. Some just can't handle it (metformin). I just had some gas for a bit. I'd start with 500 mg at dinner and after a few days maybe add 500 mg at breakfast. then another 500 at dinner, etc. If you're still spiking like that on 30 g of carbs per day, I'd say you need a little help. And many have been able to get off their meds after they've lost the weight, which improves insulin resistance and stablized. Metformin is a good choice. Barb > Right now I am eating about 900 > calories a day, 30 grams of carbs and I am still spiking (today I had a > 9.0 or 162) two hours after eating 1/2 a sandwich at a work party. I am > slightly over weight, maybe about 25 pounds at this point, but I have > lost 20 pounds in the past 21 days. I have to exercise twice a day to > keep my levels in the 5's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandi Marr > > I have a question. Why is it so important to people to stay > off the drugs that can help us lead a more normal eating .... > We readily take medication to control high blood pressure, I would say meds certainly should be used when necessary. The down side is that all meds have risks of side effects, so I opt for the " when necessary " rather than for convenience. I personally don't " readily " take any meds for any length of time, but I will if really necessary and the rewards justify the risks. > This is all very confusing to me because the doctors give one > level of acceptable bs readings, and yet the diabetes lists > I'm on are so much more strict. It scares me!! I am never One way to look at is that the doctors set goals they think most of their patients are likely to be able to meet. And many patients aren't willing or don't know enough to really work at it. Subscribers to lists like this are generally more motivated than those who don't take the effort to find out more, so those on the lists are more likely to want to keep their blood sugar levels within ranges that will minimize complications. Don't be scared by this -- be encouraged. It is those who are not keeping their blood sugars within a " normal " range that should be scared -- but they may not have been provided with enough information to know what they are doing to themselves. That's the downside of doctors setting guidelines that they consider " realistic " but that don't really protect their patients from harm. Tom the Actuary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandi Marr > > I have a question. Why is it so important to people to stay > off the drugs that can help us lead a more normal eating .... > We readily take medication to control high blood pressure, I would say meds certainly should be used when necessary. The down side is that all meds have risks of side effects, so I opt for the " when necessary " rather than for convenience. I personally don't " readily " take any meds for any length of time, but I will if really necessary and the rewards justify the risks. > This is all very confusing to me because the doctors give one > level of acceptable bs readings, and yet the diabetes lists > I'm on are so much more strict. It scares me!! I am never One way to look at is that the doctors set goals they think most of their patients are likely to be able to meet. And many patients aren't willing or don't know enough to really work at it. Subscribers to lists like this are generally more motivated than those who don't take the effort to find out more, so those on the lists are more likely to want to keep their blood sugar levels within ranges that will minimize complications. Don't be scared by this -- be encouraged. It is those who are not keeping their blood sugars within a " normal " range that should be scared -- but they may not have been provided with enough information to know what they are doing to themselves. That's the downside of doctors setting guidelines that they consider " realistic " but that don't really protect their patients from harm. Tom the Actuary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandi Marr > > I have a question. Why is it so important to people to stay > off the drugs that can help us lead a more normal eating .... > We readily take medication to control high blood pressure, I would say meds certainly should be used when necessary. The down side is that all meds have risks of side effects, so I opt for the " when necessary " rather than for convenience. I personally don't " readily " take any meds for any length of time, but I will if really necessary and the rewards justify the risks. > This is all very confusing to me because the doctors give one > level of acceptable bs readings, and yet the diabetes lists > I'm on are so much more strict. It scares me!! I am never One way to look at is that the doctors set goals they think most of their patients are likely to be able to meet. And many patients aren't willing or don't know enough to really work at it. Subscribers to lists like this are generally more motivated than those who don't take the effort to find out more, so those on the lists are more likely to want to keep their blood sugar levels within ranges that will minimize complications. Don't be scared by this -- be encouraged. It is those who are not keeping their blood sugars within a " normal " range that should be scared -- but they may not have been provided with enough information to know what they are doing to themselves. That's the downside of doctors setting guidelines that they consider " realistic " but that don't really protect their patients from harm. Tom the Actuary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2001 Report Share Posted December 11, 2001 Hello whimsy2@..., In reference to your comment: ð and now I see you're eating an 8 ounce block of ð cheese and still losing weight. I'm loosing slowly, probably would lose faster if i was not eating it, and or if i cut back on other things. I've lost about 40 lbs in a year, which is .76 lbs a week, This is without a lot of work other than cuting my carbs back to the point of having a stable bs reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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