RE: Is there controversy in the diabetes community?

November 6, 2001

Sheila,

I eat low carb, right now 20-35 grams a day. I saw a diabetes educator on

Friday and it was very interesting. She said that while the dietitian might not

approve of the low carb diet she had done one, Atkins, in the past to drop

weight. My test results are very good and I no longer need meds, I am in

control with diet and exercise! Now this will not happen in everyone, you need

to see what works for you. If you ask 10 people which car is best you can get

10 different answers, ask 10 diabetics which diet is best and you will get 4-5

answers, LOL.

Is there controversy in the diabetes community?

" As you guys suggested I bought and am reading " Diabetes

Solution " which says to keep your daily carbs low. " " Anyway, I got out my

diabetes education book from a class dh

and I took last year. In my personal guide, it said for me to eat about 190

grams of carbs a day and dh to eat 240. What is

going on here. "

November 6, 2001

Sheila,

I eat low carb, right now 20-35 grams a day. I saw a diabetes educator on

Friday and it was very interesting. She said that while the dietitian might not

approve of the low carb diet she had done one, Atkins, in the past to drop

weight. My test results are very good and I no longer need meds, I am in

control with diet and exercise! Now this will not happen in everyone, you need

to see what works for you. If you ask 10 people which car is best you can get

10 different answers, ask 10 diabetics which diet is best and you will get 4-5

answers, LOL.

Is there controversy in the diabetes community?

" As you guys suggested I bought and am reading " Diabetes

Solution " which says to keep your daily carbs low. " " Anyway, I got out my

diabetes education book from a class dh

and I took last year. In my personal guide, it said for me to eat about 190

grams of carbs a day and dh to eat 240. What is

going on here. "

November 6, 2001

Sheila,

I eat low carb, right now 20-35 grams a day. I saw a diabetes educator on

Friday and it was very interesting. She said that while the dietitian might not

approve of the low carb diet she had done one, Atkins, in the past to drop

weight. My test results are very good and I no longer need meds, I am in

control with diet and exercise! Now this will not happen in everyone, you need

to see what works for you. If you ask 10 people which car is best you can get

10 different answers, ask 10 diabetics which diet is best and you will get 4-5

answers, LOL.

Is there controversy in the diabetes community?

" As you guys suggested I bought and am reading " Diabetes

Solution " which says to keep your daily carbs low. " " Anyway, I got out my

diabetes education book from a class dh

and I took last year. In my personal guide, it said for me to eat about 190

grams of carbs a day and dh to eat 240. What is

going on here. "

November 6, 2001

She recommended three small servings of carbs a day.or 45 grams...That

is really a low carb eating..She just said that for some that eat too

much protein it can be hard on the kidneys...Not for everyone. For those

prone to kidney troubles.

Im sorry I gave you the impression that she is having me on a high carb

diet.Just the opposite .very low carb..Just watching the bad fats too..

Good OL email ..And of course my writing style.hehe always gets me in

trouble on the net...

Re: Is there controversy in the diabetes

community?

Not to put down your cousin but being a diabetic educator doesn't

guarantee

good diabetic dietary advice, unfortunately...a lot of them are

parrotting

the " party line " about 60% carbs being necessary for a healthy diet, the

same

as many doctors. This is bunk.

On the other hand, I think 30 grams per day is pretty hard for the

average

person to stick to, though I'm sure there are some REALLY motivated

people

out there who do it. As a prime example, Dr. Bernstein himself has been

eating 30 carbs per day for many, many years and apparently has no

kidney

damage (that we know of, at least).

And I'm sure there are others.

I don't think there's an official study that has shown an unquestionable

connection between lowcarbing and kidney damage. If you know of one, I'd

sure

like to see it. On the other hand, it seems to be a pretty

well-established

rumor.

Kidney damage does occur in poorly controlled diabetics - as it does in

the

general population. It can be caused by many things, but I don't believe

lowcarb eating is one of them .As you mention, the true test will be

many

years down the road when those of us who have been lowcarbing will

either

have very bad kidneys or will be living longer and healthier lives as a

result of longterm lowcarbing. See you in 20 years, smile. Vicki, who

moderately carbs (between 60 and 100 per day).

<< From what I have read and what my cousin who is a diabetes educator

tells me is that too low/no carbs is very hard on the kidneys and some

low carbers eat too much fat and too much beef which are hard on the

heart...

I think in years to come we will see that the very low carb and high fat

diets will be very unpopular because of the health problems that these

people will see when they get in older..

As usual balance..

I think if you eat low carb and cut the bad fats out you will be very

healthy..

- >>

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November 6, 2001

She recommended three small servings of carbs a day.or 45 grams...That

is really a low carb eating..She just said that for some that eat too

much protein it can be hard on the kidneys...Not for everyone. For those

prone to kidney troubles.

Im sorry I gave you the impression that she is having me on a high carb

diet.Just the opposite .very low carb..Just watching the bad fats too..

Good OL email ..And of course my writing style.hehe always gets me in

trouble on the net...

Re: Is there controversy in the diabetes

community?

Not to put down your cousin but being a diabetic educator doesn't

guarantee

good diabetic dietary advice, unfortunately...a lot of them are

parrotting

the " party line " about 60% carbs being necessary for a healthy diet, the

same

as many doctors. This is bunk.

On the other hand, I think 30 grams per day is pretty hard for the

average

person to stick to, though I'm sure there are some REALLY motivated

people

out there who do it. As a prime example, Dr. Bernstein himself has been

eating 30 carbs per day for many, many years and apparently has no

kidney

damage (that we know of, at least).

And I'm sure there are others.

I don't think there's an official study that has shown an unquestionable

connection between lowcarbing and kidney damage. If you know of one, I'd

sure

like to see it. On the other hand, it seems to be a pretty

well-established

rumor.

Kidney damage does occur in poorly controlled diabetics - as it does in

the

general population. It can be caused by many things, but I don't believe

lowcarb eating is one of them .As you mention, the true test will be

many

years down the road when those of us who have been lowcarbing will

either

have very bad kidneys or will be living longer and healthier lives as a

result of longterm lowcarbing. See you in 20 years, smile. Vicki, who

moderately carbs (between 60 and 100 per day).

<< From what I have read and what my cousin who is a diabetes educator

tells me is that too low/no carbs is very hard on the kidneys and some

low carbers eat too much fat and too much beef which are hard on the

heart...

I think in years to come we will see that the very low carb and high fat

diets will be very unpopular because of the health problems that these

people will see when they get in older..

As usual balance..

I think if you eat low carb and cut the bad fats out you will be very

healthy..

- >>

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author. Permission must be obtained from the original author for the

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November 6, 2001

She recommended three small servings of carbs a day.or 45 grams...That

is really a low carb eating..She just said that for some that eat too

much protein it can be hard on the kidneys...Not for everyone. For those

prone to kidney troubles.

Im sorry I gave you the impression that she is having me on a high carb

diet.Just the opposite .very low carb..Just watching the bad fats too..

Good OL email ..And of course my writing style.hehe always gets me in

trouble on the net...

Re: Is there controversy in the diabetes

community?

Not to put down your cousin but being a diabetic educator doesn't

guarantee

good diabetic dietary advice, unfortunately...a lot of them are

parrotting

the " party line " about 60% carbs being necessary for a healthy diet, the

same

as many doctors. This is bunk.

On the other hand, I think 30 grams per day is pretty hard for the

average

person to stick to, though I'm sure there are some REALLY motivated

people

out there who do it. As a prime example, Dr. Bernstein himself has been

eating 30 carbs per day for many, many years and apparently has no

kidney

damage (that we know of, at least).

And I'm sure there are others.

I don't think there's an official study that has shown an unquestionable

connection between lowcarbing and kidney damage. If you know of one, I'd

sure

like to see it. On the other hand, it seems to be a pretty

well-established

rumor.

Kidney damage does occur in poorly controlled diabetics - as it does in

the

general population. It can be caused by many things, but I don't believe

lowcarb eating is one of them .As you mention, the true test will be

many

years down the road when those of us who have been lowcarbing will

either

have very bad kidneys or will be living longer and healthier lives as a

result of longterm lowcarbing. See you in 20 years, smile. Vicki, who

moderately carbs (between 60 and 100 per day).

<< From what I have read and what my cousin who is a diabetes educator

tells me is that too low/no carbs is very hard on the kidneys and some

low carbers eat too much fat and too much beef which are hard on the

heart...

I think in years to come we will see that the very low carb and high fat

diets will be very unpopular because of the health problems that these

people will see when they get in older..

As usual balance..

I think if you eat low carb and cut the bad fats out you will be very

healthy..

- >>

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author. Permission must be obtained from the original author for the

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November 6, 2001

> I eat low carb, right now 20-35 grams a day. I saw a diabetes educator on

Friday and it was very interesting. She said that while the dietitian might

not approve of the low carb diet she had done one, Atkins, in the past to

drop weight. My test results are very good and I no longer need meds, I am

in control with diet and exercise!

**Congratulations, !! Great news :-)

Barb

November 6, 2001

> I eat low carb, right now 20-35 grams a day. I saw a diabetes educator on

Friday and it was very interesting. She said that while the dietitian might

not approve of the low carb diet she had done one, Atkins, in the past to

drop weight. My test results are very good and I no longer need meds, I am

in control with diet and exercise!

**Congratulations, !! Great news :-)

Barb

November 6, 2001

> I eat low carb, right now 20-35 grams a day. I saw a diabetes educator on

Friday and it was very interesting. She said that while the dietitian might

not approve of the low carb diet she had done one, Atkins, in the past to

drop weight. My test results are very good and I no longer need meds, I am

in control with diet and exercise!

**Congratulations, !! Great news :-)

Barb

November 6, 2001

I had oatmeal for breakfast today and my numbers have been really

high!!! I may need to go back to eggs..boy this is tricky..sussie

Re: Is there controversy in the diabetes

community?

> I eat low carb, right now 20-35 grams a day. I saw a diabetes

educator on

Friday and it was very interesting. She said that while the dietitian

might

not approve of the low carb diet she had done one, Atkins, in the past

to

drop weight. My test results are very good and I no longer need meds, I

am

in control with diet and exercise!

**Congratulations, !! Great news :-)

Barb

November 6, 2001

I had oatmeal for breakfast today and my numbers have been really

high!!! I may need to go back to eggs..boy this is tricky..sussie

Re: Is there controversy in the diabetes

community?

> I eat low carb, right now 20-35 grams a day. I saw a diabetes

educator on

Friday and it was very interesting. She said that while the dietitian

might

not approve of the low carb diet she had done one, Atkins, in the past

to

drop weight. My test results are very good and I no longer need meds, I

am

in control with diet and exercise!

**Congratulations, !! Great news :-)

Barb

November 6, 2001

I had oatmeal for breakfast today and my numbers have been really

high!!! I may need to go back to eggs..boy this is tricky..sussie

Re: Is there controversy in the diabetes

community?

> I eat low carb, right now 20-35 grams a day. I saw a diabetes

educator on

Friday and it was very interesting. She said that while the dietitian

might

not approve of the low carb diet she had done one, Atkins, in the past

to

drop weight. My test results are very good and I no longer need meds, I

am

in control with diet and exercise!

**Congratulations, !! Great news :-)

Barb

November 6, 2001

Believe you had way too many " starch " carbs. Beans = starch carbs,

cornbread = starch carbs, muffin = starch carbs. Cornbread and muffin

both high glycemic.

The ADA Exchange Diet says 1/2 c. cooked beans = 1 serving.

The 1 1/2 c. beans = 3 servings of starch = 75 grams carbs.

2 " x2 " x1 " or 1 oz. cornbread = 1 serving = 15 grams carbs.

1 1/2 oz. muffin = 1 serving = 15 grams carbs.

Determine size cornbread and muffin, add these carbs to bean carbs and

you had a healthy number of starch carbs in one meal. The Costco

muffins are quite large so probably was over 1 serving in 1/2 muffin.

Had you consumed 3 oz. lean meat and two servings of green vegetables

plus a small lettuce tomato salad your BS would have been excellent.

Marie

> > Hello sdfoster1@y...,

> >

> > In reference to your comment:

>

> > seems to me that the experts ie professionals for the most part

> are still

> > telling me what you quoted above, but the real experts the

> patients are

> > saying the low carb under 50 g a day

> >

>

> Hi ,

>

> I like that idea too, but I remember that two of my teachers were

> diabetics. Although one was very, very overweight. One had a

> son who had Number one. So they are somewhat experts too. I

> just don't know what to believe except the numbers I read

> everyday.

>

> Today for dinner I made navy beans cooked with porkchops and

> cornbread. I had about a cup and a half of beans and a slice

> and a half of cornbread. Then my son asked dh to bring in some

> muffins from Costco. I ate a half of one and my blood sugar

> went from 126 before dinner to 287 after dinner. I'm almost

> positive it was the muffin. I hope the cornbread didn't do it.

>

> Since I ate dinner very early, I was starving, so I ate a six inch

sub

> sandwich and some peanuts. Then did five miles on my bike.

>

> Two hours later it was 172.

>

> I'm reading some chapters in the back of " Diabetes Solutions "

> and I believe that he is going to tell some of the controversy.

>

> I did look at some of the literature from my diabetes class, and

> some of it was from the Rx companies. I guess if we eat too

> many carbs, they get to sell more pills. Crazy idea?

>

> Sheila

November 6, 2001

Believe you had way too many " starch " carbs. Beans = starch carbs,

cornbread = starch carbs, muffin = starch carbs. Cornbread and muffin

both high glycemic.

The ADA Exchange Diet says 1/2 c. cooked beans = 1 serving.

The 1 1/2 c. beans = 3 servings of starch = 75 grams carbs.

2 " x2 " x1 " or 1 oz. cornbread = 1 serving = 15 grams carbs.

1 1/2 oz. muffin = 1 serving = 15 grams carbs.

Determine size cornbread and muffin, add these carbs to bean carbs and

you had a healthy number of starch carbs in one meal. The Costco

muffins are quite large so probably was over 1 serving in 1/2 muffin.

Had you consumed 3 oz. lean meat and two servings of green vegetables

plus a small lettuce tomato salad your BS would have been excellent.

Marie

> > Hello sdfoster1@y...,

> >

> > In reference to your comment:

>

> > seems to me that the experts ie professionals for the most part

> are still

> > telling me what you quoted above, but the real experts the

> patients are

> > saying the low carb under 50 g a day

> >

>

> Hi ,

>

> I like that idea too, but I remember that two of my teachers were

> diabetics. Although one was very, very overweight. One had a

> son who had Number one. So they are somewhat experts too. I

> just don't know what to believe except the numbers I read

> everyday.

>

> Today for dinner I made navy beans cooked with porkchops and

> cornbread. I had about a cup and a half of beans and a slice

> and a half of cornbread. Then my son asked dh to bring in some

> muffins from Costco. I ate a half of one and my blood sugar

> went from 126 before dinner to 287 after dinner. I'm almost

> positive it was the muffin. I hope the cornbread didn't do it.

>

> Since I ate dinner very early, I was starving, so I ate a six inch

sub

> sandwich and some peanuts. Then did five miles on my bike.

>

> Two hours later it was 172.

>

> I'm reading some chapters in the back of " Diabetes Solutions "

> and I believe that he is going to tell some of the controversy.

>

> I did look at some of the literature from my diabetes class, and

> some of it was from the Rx companies. I guess if we eat too

> many carbs, they get to sell more pills. Crazy idea?

>

> Sheila

November 6, 2001

Believe you had way too many " starch " carbs. Beans = starch carbs,

cornbread = starch carbs, muffin = starch carbs. Cornbread and muffin

both high glycemic.

The ADA Exchange Diet says 1/2 c. cooked beans = 1 serving.

The 1 1/2 c. beans = 3 servings of starch = 75 grams carbs.

2 " x2 " x1 " or 1 oz. cornbread = 1 serving = 15 grams carbs.

1 1/2 oz. muffin = 1 serving = 15 grams carbs.

Determine size cornbread and muffin, add these carbs to bean carbs and

you had a healthy number of starch carbs in one meal. The Costco

muffins are quite large so probably was over 1 serving in 1/2 muffin.

Had you consumed 3 oz. lean meat and two servings of green vegetables

plus a small lettuce tomato salad your BS would have been excellent.

Marie

> > Hello sdfoster1@y...,

> >

> > In reference to your comment:

>

> > seems to me that the experts ie professionals for the most part

> are still

> > telling me what you quoted above, but the real experts the

> patients are

> > saying the low carb under 50 g a day

> >

>

> Hi ,

>

> I like that idea too, but I remember that two of my teachers were

> diabetics. Although one was very, very overweight. One had a

> son who had Number one. So they are somewhat experts too. I

> just don't know what to believe except the numbers I read

> everyday.

>

> Today for dinner I made navy beans cooked with porkchops and

> cornbread. I had about a cup and a half of beans and a slice

> and a half of cornbread. Then my son asked dh to bring in some

> muffins from Costco. I ate a half of one and my blood sugar

> went from 126 before dinner to 287 after dinner. I'm almost

> positive it was the muffin. I hope the cornbread didn't do it.

>

> Since I ate dinner very early, I was starving, so I ate a six inch

sub

> sandwich and some peanuts. Then did five miles on my bike.

>

> Two hours later it was 172.

>

> I'm reading some chapters in the back of " Diabetes Solutions "

> and I believe that he is going to tell some of the controversy.

>

> I did look at some of the literature from my diabetes class, and

> some of it was from the Rx companies. I guess if we eat too

> many carbs, they get to sell more pills. Crazy idea?

>

> Sheila

November 6, 2001

Hello cld60@... (CLD),

In reference to your comment:

è is that too low/no carbs is very hard on the kidneys and

è some low carbers eat too much fat and too much beef

è which are hard on the heart...

the myth about low carb being bad for the kidneys is because of the fact that

folks who have kidney problems.....

ie PRE low carb eating.

when there are pre-exhisting kidney problems, kidney failure, etc, people are

then advised to eat a different balance of food's.... not such a high protein

diet.

However for people without pre-exhisting conditions there is no kidney danger

for low carb eating. This is echo'd on the mayo clinic web site and other

well known medical web sites.

but you have to really look for it...

btw not all high protein low carb food plans include a lot of beef,

but

many of us that eat low carb have shown via our blood tests that our

cholesterol counts etc have dropped after beginning to eat more protein...

I know that different diabetes are also different, and need different food

plans.. i just know what works for me, and i know this based on lab test

results plus how i feel in general, both arthritis wise, without a lot of

carbs, and also energy wise.

See you all in 50 yrs when i'm 93

November 6, 2001

Your BS would have been much better if you had 3 oz. lean meat, 2

servings green vegetables, small lettuce tomato salad.

According to the ADA Exchange List 1 1/2 c. beans = 3 servings starch

carbs. Cornbread was also starch carbs. Muffin starch carbs. Cornbread

and muffin high glycemic too. Costco muffins are large so you probably

had more than 1 oz. serving, corbread was probably more than 1 oz.

too.

Beans = 75 g. carbs

cornbread = 15+ carbs

Muffin = 15+ carbs

Yes, there is a difference of opinion regarding carbs and diabetes.

Many doctors and dieticians, diabetes educators do not bother to

explain that carbs are not suppose to come from starch only but also

from green and yellow vegetables. Carbs in all foods add up to the

grand total for the meal.

A new food pyramid is out now using 40-30-30 instead of the ADA

60-20-20. Starch is no longer in the largr portion of bottom part of

pyramid, got moved up to a smaller portion. vegetables take up the

larger area, then fruit, etc.

A balanced diet of meat, veggies, fruit, little starch is better for

diabetics. BS will be controlled better than when so much starch is

consumed. Portion control is the most important. Yeah, I know, measure

out 1/2 cup of what we like and it sure does look tiny but that is the

way we should go.

I would not have had the sub sandwich after a high number like that.

Perhaps have the stuffing part but not the bread. Not a good idea to

feed a high BS number.

Marie

> Today for dinner I made navy beans cooked with porkchops and

> cornbread. I had about a cup and a half of beans and a slice

> and a half of cornbread. Then my son asked dh to bring in some

> muffins from Costco. I ate a half of one and my blood sugar

> went from 126 before dinner to 287 after dinner. I'm almost

> positive it was the muffin. I hope the cornbread didn't do it.

>

> Since I ate dinner very early, I was starving, so I ate a six inch

sub

> sandwich and some peanuts. Then did five miles on my bike.

>

> Two hours later it was 172........

> Sheila

November 6, 2001

Your BS would have been much better if you had 3 oz. lean meat, 2

servings green vegetables, small lettuce tomato salad.

According to the ADA Exchange List 1 1/2 c. beans = 3 servings starch

carbs. Cornbread was also starch carbs. Muffin starch carbs. Cornbread

and muffin high glycemic too. Costco muffins are large so you probably

had more than 1 oz. serving, corbread was probably more than 1 oz.

too.

Beans = 75 g. carbs

cornbread = 15+ carbs

Muffin = 15+ carbs

Yes, there is a difference of opinion regarding carbs and diabetes.

Many doctors and dieticians, diabetes educators do not bother to

explain that carbs are not suppose to come from starch only but also

from green and yellow vegetables. Carbs in all foods add up to the

grand total for the meal.

A new food pyramid is out now using 40-30-30 instead of the ADA

60-20-20. Starch is no longer in the largr portion of bottom part of

pyramid, got moved up to a smaller portion. vegetables take up the

larger area, then fruit, etc.

A balanced diet of meat, veggies, fruit, little starch is better for

diabetics. BS will be controlled better than when so much starch is

consumed. Portion control is the most important. Yeah, I know, measure

out 1/2 cup of what we like and it sure does look tiny but that is the

way we should go.

I would not have had the sub sandwich after a high number like that.

Perhaps have the stuffing part but not the bread. Not a good idea to

feed a high BS number.

Marie

> Today for dinner I made navy beans cooked with porkchops and

> cornbread. I had about a cup and a half of beans and a slice

> and a half of cornbread. Then my son asked dh to bring in some

> muffins from Costco. I ate a half of one and my blood sugar

> went from 126 before dinner to 287 after dinner. I'm almost

> positive it was the muffin. I hope the cornbread didn't do it.

>

> Since I ate dinner very early, I was starving, so I ate a six inch

sub

> sandwich and some peanuts. Then did five miles on my bike.

>

> Two hours later it was 172........

> Sheila

November 6, 2001

Your BS would have been much better if you had 3 oz. lean meat, 2

servings green vegetables, small lettuce tomato salad.

According to the ADA Exchange List 1 1/2 c. beans = 3 servings starch

carbs. Cornbread was also starch carbs. Muffin starch carbs. Cornbread

and muffin high glycemic too. Costco muffins are large so you probably

had more than 1 oz. serving, corbread was probably more than 1 oz.

too.

Beans = 75 g. carbs

cornbread = 15+ carbs

Muffin = 15+ carbs

Yes, there is a difference of opinion regarding carbs and diabetes.

Many doctors and dieticians, diabetes educators do not bother to

explain that carbs are not suppose to come from starch only but also

from green and yellow vegetables. Carbs in all foods add up to the

grand total for the meal.

A new food pyramid is out now using 40-30-30 instead of the ADA

60-20-20. Starch is no longer in the largr portion of bottom part of

pyramid, got moved up to a smaller portion. vegetables take up the

larger area, then fruit, etc.

A balanced diet of meat, veggies, fruit, little starch is better for

diabetics. BS will be controlled better than when so much starch is

consumed. Portion control is the most important. Yeah, I know, measure

out 1/2 cup of what we like and it sure does look tiny but that is the

way we should go.

I would not have had the sub sandwich after a high number like that.

Perhaps have the stuffing part but not the bread. Not a good idea to

feed a high BS number.

Marie

> Today for dinner I made navy beans cooked with porkchops and

> cornbread. I had about a cup and a half of beans and a slice

> and a half of cornbread. Then my son asked dh to bring in some

> muffins from Costco. I ate a half of one and my blood sugar

> went from 126 before dinner to 287 after dinner. I'm almost

> positive it was the muffin. I hope the cornbread didn't do it.

>

> Since I ate dinner very early, I was starving, so I ate a six inch

sub

> sandwich and some peanuts. Then did five miles on my bike.

>

> Two hours later it was 172........

> Sheila

November 6, 2001

Thanks for clarification...That definitely qualifies as lowcarb...lower carb

than I eat anyway, smile...(and I'm one of those who advocates lowcarbing,

smile..)...and the qualification re kidneys...very good. Yes, I agree. For

those with kidney problems it can cause more. For the rest of us with good

healthy kidneys, lowcarb won't cause harm. Vicki

<< She recommended three small servings of carbs a day.or 45 grams...That

is really a low carb eating..She just said that for some that eat too

much protein it can be hard on the kidneys...Not for everyone. For those

prone to kidney troubles. >>

November 6, 2001

<< Then walk 2 miles. >>

Love it, Marie! Vicki

November 6, 2001

I have heard that it's a food lobby. Someone on this list said once that

the " food pyramid " research was paid for by the grain producers.

Go figure.

Robin G.

>From: sdfoster1@...

>>I know the low carb diet has not been popular, but I couldn't

>believe the differences in what we learned in school and what I

>am now reading. It is a food lobby or something else?

>

>What gives?

>

>Sheila

>

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November 6, 2001

I have heard that it's a food lobby. Someone on this list said once that

the " food pyramid " research was paid for by the grain producers.

Go figure.

Robin G.

>From: sdfoster1@...

>>I know the low carb diet has not been popular, but I couldn't

>believe the differences in what we learned in school and what I

>am now reading. It is a food lobby or something else?

>

>What gives?

>

>Sheila

>

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November 6, 2001

I have heard that it's a food lobby. Someone on this list said once that

the " food pyramid " research was paid for by the grain producers.

Go figure.

Robin G.

>From: sdfoster1@...

>>I know the low carb diet has not been popular, but I couldn't

>believe the differences in what we learned in school and what I

>am now reading. It is a food lobby or something else?

>

>What gives?

>

>Sheila