Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Kathleen, more and more people are turning to this surgery - - which is the reason TOPS created a separate division for them and they can no longer be royalty! They can be KOPS when they reach their goal, but they can not be royalty on any level - chapter or state or national. I'm sure you noticed in last month's TOPS News that every single one of the people recognized had had the surgery! That's not too encouraging to people who have a lot of weight to lose, but don't want to risk their lives by having surgery! There was a girl at the field staff meeting in Dallas - who is now an area captain - who has had the surgery, and she talked to our group about the surgery and how she will have to eat the rest of her life! If they maintain their loss, they have to eat a VERY VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF FOOD (like 3 ounces) several times a day - - and if they overeat, they get very sick and throw it all up! Sounds like a terrible way to have to live the rest of your life! She was very hurt and upset about the new rule of surgical patients never being able to be royalty, but I don't think that is what TOPS is all about - - it was organized for people to learn a sensible way of eating and learning to maintain a goal weight by healthy lifestyle habits - - not enforced control! But that's just MY opinion! Others may disagree with me - and if so, I'd like to hear their arguments!! Maybe that could be a "Question of the Day" To those of you doing it the right way - - HANG IN THERE and know that IT CAN BE DONE!! ((((HUGS))) Clara No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.5 - Release Date: 12/3/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Kathleen, more and more people are turning to this surgery - - which is the reason TOPS created a separate division for them and they can no longer be royalty! They can be KOPS when they reach their goal, but they can not be royalty on any level - chapter or state or national. I'm sure you noticed in last month's TOPS News that every single one of the people recognized had had the surgery! That's not too encouraging to people who have a lot of weight to lose, but don't want to risk their lives by having surgery! There was a girl at the field staff meeting in Dallas - who is now an area captain - who has had the surgery, and she talked to our group about the surgery and how she will have to eat the rest of her life! If they maintain their loss, they have to eat a VERY VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF FOOD (like 3 ounces) several times a day - - and if they overeat, they get very sick and throw it all up! Sounds like a terrible way to have to live the rest of your life! She was very hurt and upset about the new rule of surgical patients never being able to be royalty, but I don't think that is what TOPS is all about - - it was organized for people to learn a sensible way of eating and learning to maintain a goal weight by healthy lifestyle habits - - not enforced control! But that's just MY opinion! Others may disagree with me - and if so, I'd like to hear their arguments!! Maybe that could be a "Question of the Day" To those of you doing it the right way - - HANG IN THERE and know that IT CAN BE DONE!! ((((HUGS))) Clara No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.5 - Release Date: 12/3/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Kathleen, more and more people are turning to this surgery - - which is the reason TOPS created a separate division for them and they can no longer be royalty! They can be KOPS when they reach their goal, but they can not be royalty on any level - chapter or state or national. I'm sure you noticed in last month's TOPS News that every single one of the people recognized had had the surgery! That's not too encouraging to people who have a lot of weight to lose, but don't want to risk their lives by having surgery! There was a girl at the field staff meeting in Dallas - who is now an area captain - who has had the surgery, and she talked to our group about the surgery and how she will have to eat the rest of her life! If they maintain their loss, they have to eat a VERY VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF FOOD (like 3 ounces) several times a day - - and if they overeat, they get very sick and throw it all up! Sounds like a terrible way to have to live the rest of your life! She was very hurt and upset about the new rule of surgical patients never being able to be royalty, but I don't think that is what TOPS is all about - - it was organized for people to learn a sensible way of eating and learning to maintain a goal weight by healthy lifestyle habits - - not enforced control! But that's just MY opinion! Others may disagree with me - and if so, I'd like to hear their arguments!! Maybe that could be a "Question of the Day" To those of you doing it the right way - - HANG IN THERE and know that IT CAN BE DONE!! ((((HUGS))) Clara No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.5 - Release Date: 12/3/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Contrary to what some of these Doctors that are pushing the surgeries for weight loss will tell you...the surgeries don't always last either....The patients do, many times, gain their weight back and do more harm to their bodies than if they had not had the surgery. I don't suppose that the Dr. mentioned that Carnie has but back on some of her weight? At least that is what I have heard. Now don't get me wrong...please...I am not saying I am against anyone having surgery if their Doctor has deemed this is the method that will have to be taken for that individual. We are all are not alike and that is between the Doctor and the patient...what worries me is...are these patients given the total picture, that if they resume their old habits, they can gain back the weight??? I have seen so many TV commericals lately about surgerical means of weight loss that really scare me! Whatever method of weight loss we choose, if we go back to our old habits...we will gain the weight back! It is still all about choices! It is a choice to be determined to maintain our goal & keep working hard at it daily...it is a choice to keep a positive attitude which I believe is 99% of the battle for the rest of our life! Bariatric Surgery Everywhere I turn I'm hearing or reading something about surgical treatment of obesity...bariatric surgery or gastric bypass or stomach banding. We've heard a lot of controversy over the TOPS royalty due to this surgery. In our local paper this week there was an article "The Last Resort" about this surgery. One statement blew me sideways. I quote "It's the only mode of therapy that's been shown to be effective in the long-term," said Dr. Alan Wittgrove, the bariatric surgeon who operated on 300-pound (Carnie) in 1999. "In general, it's the last treatment patients have used." This next part is what flabbergasted me..."There's no indication that diet behavior modification and drugs will be successful for long-term weight loss for someone who is morbidly obese."Huh? I know it's hard to accomplish, maybe even next to impossible to acheive, but I think there are a few KOPS our there that would take exception to his statement "There's no indication that diet behavior modification and drugs will be successful for long-term weight loss for someone who is morbidly obese."What reaction do you all have at his statement? What does it say to you?It sure makes me appreciate my supportive doctor more!KathleenEMAIL SUPPORT TEXAS-STYLE!!Visit us on the web: http://www.texastops.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Contrary to what some of these Doctors that are pushing the surgeries for weight loss will tell you...the surgeries don't always last either....The patients do, many times, gain their weight back and do more harm to their bodies than if they had not had the surgery. I don't suppose that the Dr. mentioned that Carnie has but back on some of her weight? At least that is what I have heard. Now don't get me wrong...please...I am not saying I am against anyone having surgery if their Doctor has deemed this is the method that will have to be taken for that individual. We are all are not alike and that is between the Doctor and the patient...what worries me is...are these patients given the total picture, that if they resume their old habits, they can gain back the weight??? I have seen so many TV commericals lately about surgerical means of weight loss that really scare me! Whatever method of weight loss we choose, if we go back to our old habits...we will gain the weight back! It is still all about choices! It is a choice to be determined to maintain our goal & keep working hard at it daily...it is a choice to keep a positive attitude which I believe is 99% of the battle for the rest of our life! Bariatric Surgery Everywhere I turn I'm hearing or reading something about surgical treatment of obesity...bariatric surgery or gastric bypass or stomach banding. We've heard a lot of controversy over the TOPS royalty due to this surgery. In our local paper this week there was an article "The Last Resort" about this surgery. One statement blew me sideways. I quote "It's the only mode of therapy that's been shown to be effective in the long-term," said Dr. Alan Wittgrove, the bariatric surgeon who operated on 300-pound (Carnie) in 1999. "In general, it's the last treatment patients have used." This next part is what flabbergasted me..."There's no indication that diet behavior modification and drugs will be successful for long-term weight loss for someone who is morbidly obese."Huh? I know it's hard to accomplish, maybe even next to impossible to acheive, but I think there are a few KOPS our there that would take exception to his statement "There's no indication that diet behavior modification and drugs will be successful for long-term weight loss for someone who is morbidly obese."What reaction do you all have at his statement? What does it say to you?It sure makes me appreciate my supportive doctor more!KathleenEMAIL SUPPORT TEXAS-STYLE!!Visit us on the web: http://www.texastops.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Contrary to what some of these Doctors that are pushing the surgeries for weight loss will tell you...the surgeries don't always last either....The patients do, many times, gain their weight back and do more harm to their bodies than if they had not had the surgery. I don't suppose that the Dr. mentioned that Carnie has but back on some of her weight? At least that is what I have heard. Now don't get me wrong...please...I am not saying I am against anyone having surgery if their Doctor has deemed this is the method that will have to be taken for that individual. We are all are not alike and that is between the Doctor and the patient...what worries me is...are these patients given the total picture, that if they resume their old habits, they can gain back the weight??? I have seen so many TV commericals lately about surgerical means of weight loss that really scare me! Whatever method of weight loss we choose, if we go back to our old habits...we will gain the weight back! It is still all about choices! It is a choice to be determined to maintain our goal & keep working hard at it daily...it is a choice to keep a positive attitude which I believe is 99% of the battle for the rest of our life! Bariatric Surgery Everywhere I turn I'm hearing or reading something about surgical treatment of obesity...bariatric surgery or gastric bypass or stomach banding. We've heard a lot of controversy over the TOPS royalty due to this surgery. In our local paper this week there was an article "The Last Resort" about this surgery. One statement blew me sideways. I quote "It's the only mode of therapy that's been shown to be effective in the long-term," said Dr. Alan Wittgrove, the bariatric surgeon who operated on 300-pound (Carnie) in 1999. "In general, it's the last treatment patients have used." This next part is what flabbergasted me..."There's no indication that diet behavior modification and drugs will be successful for long-term weight loss for someone who is morbidly obese."Huh? I know it's hard to accomplish, maybe even next to impossible to acheive, but I think there are a few KOPS our there that would take exception to his statement "There's no indication that diet behavior modification and drugs will be successful for long-term weight loss for someone who is morbidly obese."What reaction do you all have at his statement? What does it say to you?It sure makes me appreciate my supportive doctor more!KathleenEMAIL SUPPORT TEXAS-STYLE!!Visit us on the web: http://www.texastops.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 > Kathleen, more and more people are turning to this surgery - - which > is the= > reason TOPS created a separate division for them and they can no > longer be= royalty! I know and think that is only right. That's not too encouraging to people who have a > lot of > weight to lose, but don't want to risk their lives by having surgery! I know! This article I quoted said that 1 in every 200 people who have gastric banding and gastric bypass surgery die! That is way too high for me! It listed the following complications. " Gastric banding complications include: gastric perforation, nausea, vomiting and band displacement. Gastric bypass can result in poor absorption of calcium and iron, chronic anemia due to vitamin B12 deficiency cause by the lack of absorption in the small intestine, blood clots, abscesses, ulcers, sleep disruption and " dumping " , where sugary or low-nutrient food can provoke dizziness, sweatiness and nausea. " Wow! What an attractive picture! Just makes you really want to run out and sign up for that, right? Elaine said: " Whatever method of weight loss we choose, if we go back to our old habits...we will gain the weight back! It is still all about choices! It is a choice to be determined to maintain our goal & keep working hard at it daily...it is a choice to keep a positive attitude which I believe is 99% of the battle for the rest of our life! " I totally agree Elaine! Meaning for those of us without the immediate danger of loss of life due to our obesity. But even still, those people have to make up their minds to follow sensible pathways in life...or not. Choices, choices. Kathleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 > Kathleen, more and more people are turning to this surgery - - which > is the= > reason TOPS created a separate division for them and they can no > longer be= royalty! I know and think that is only right. That's not too encouraging to people who have a > lot of > weight to lose, but don't want to risk their lives by having surgery! I know! This article I quoted said that 1 in every 200 people who have gastric banding and gastric bypass surgery die! That is way too high for me! It listed the following complications. " Gastric banding complications include: gastric perforation, nausea, vomiting and band displacement. Gastric bypass can result in poor absorption of calcium and iron, chronic anemia due to vitamin B12 deficiency cause by the lack of absorption in the small intestine, blood clots, abscesses, ulcers, sleep disruption and " dumping " , where sugary or low-nutrient food can provoke dizziness, sweatiness and nausea. " Wow! What an attractive picture! Just makes you really want to run out and sign up for that, right? Elaine said: " Whatever method of weight loss we choose, if we go back to our old habits...we will gain the weight back! It is still all about choices! It is a choice to be determined to maintain our goal & keep working hard at it daily...it is a choice to keep a positive attitude which I believe is 99% of the battle for the rest of our life! " I totally agree Elaine! Meaning for those of us without the immediate danger of loss of life due to our obesity. But even still, those people have to make up their minds to follow sensible pathways in life...or not. Choices, choices. Kathleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 > Kathleen, more and more people are turning to this surgery - - which > is the= > reason TOPS created a separate division for them and they can no > longer be= royalty! I know and think that is only right. That's not too encouraging to people who have a > lot of > weight to lose, but don't want to risk their lives by having surgery! I know! This article I quoted said that 1 in every 200 people who have gastric banding and gastric bypass surgery die! That is way too high for me! It listed the following complications. " Gastric banding complications include: gastric perforation, nausea, vomiting and band displacement. Gastric bypass can result in poor absorption of calcium and iron, chronic anemia due to vitamin B12 deficiency cause by the lack of absorption in the small intestine, blood clots, abscesses, ulcers, sleep disruption and " dumping " , where sugary or low-nutrient food can provoke dizziness, sweatiness and nausea. " Wow! What an attractive picture! Just makes you really want to run out and sign up for that, right? Elaine said: " Whatever method of weight loss we choose, if we go back to our old habits...we will gain the weight back! It is still all about choices! It is a choice to be determined to maintain our goal & keep working hard at it daily...it is a choice to keep a positive attitude which I believe is 99% of the battle for the rest of our life! " I totally agree Elaine! Meaning for those of us without the immediate danger of loss of life due to our obesity. But even still, those people have to make up their minds to follow sensible pathways in life...or not. Choices, choices. Kathleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 I agree with you, Elaine - - it is a personal choice, and I just hope that all of the people who opt for the surgery have been told just how dangerous it can be - - that if you eat large amounts of food, that you can stretch out the "baby stomach" and be right back where you started from - - that the surgery to reverse the bypass is even more dangerous than the original surgery (as Vickie told us in Dallas) - - - - it is definitely something that should be studied and considered very carefully before you decide to go for it. I'm afriad too many doctors are jumping on the band wagon just because they see a chance for some easy money! I would select a surgeron VERY CAREFULLY!!! And I would want to talk to several people who had already been through it - with the surgeon I was considering! Guess I'm just chicken! So many people are doing it - - I'm sure that it will become more routine, just as open heart surgeries have become more routine, with less and less danger, but I still think it should be a very last resort! If you can discipline yourself to eat like you are supposed to eat after the surgery, you should be able to discipline yourself without surgery! Just my opinion!! I know how hard it is to lose weight - - because I am a person of very little will power - - but that, too, is a personal choice! We all have to make up our minds that "I CAN DO THIS, AND I WILL DO THIS"!! Ask God to help you! With His help, anything is possible; even losing weight!! (You can bet that if I were having surgery, I'd be asking for His help)!!!!! ((((HUGS))) Clara No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.5 - Release Date: 12/3/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 I don't want to have the bariatric surgery, I would like to have my body fat sucked, the skin removed, and my boobs put back where the started, that's all! Aggie > EMAIL SUPPORT TEXAS-STYLE!! > > Visit us on the web: http://www.texastops.org > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 I don't want to have the bariatric surgery, I would like to have my body fat sucked, the skin removed, and my boobs put back where the started, that's all! Aggie > EMAIL SUPPORT TEXAS-STYLE!! > > Visit us on the web: http://www.texastops.org > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 I don't want to have the bariatric surgery, I would like to have my body fat sucked, the skin removed, and my boobs put back where the started, that's all! Aggie > EMAIL SUPPORT TEXAS-STYLE!! > > Visit us on the web: http://www.texastops.org > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Clara, If my hands were as big as my butt, I might have a chance!! lol Aggie (Do NOT try to visualize this, it could cause permamnant damage) Quoting Clara Gleghorn : > Hey, Aggie - - I decided a long time ago that if I could learn to walk on my > hands that my body might be better proportioned! Do you think that might > work for us??? > > Clara ---------------------------------------------------------------- S & L Internet http://www.devtex.net Linux powered....so it always works! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Clara, If my hands were as big as my butt, I might have a chance!! lol Aggie (Do NOT try to visualize this, it could cause permamnant damage) Quoting Clara Gleghorn : > Hey, Aggie - - I decided a long time ago that if I could learn to walk on my > hands that my body might be better proportioned! Do you think that might > work for us??? > > Clara ---------------------------------------------------------------- S & L Internet http://www.devtex.net Linux powered....so it always works! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Hey, Aggie - - I decided a long time ago that if I could learn to walk on my hands that my body might be better proportioned! Do you think that might work for us??? Clara No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.5 - Release Date: 12/3/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Hey, Aggie - - I decided a long time ago that if I could learn to walk on my hands that my body might be better proportioned! Do you think that might work for us??? Clara No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.5 - Release Date: 12/3/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Hey, Aggie - - I decided a long time ago that if I could learn to walk on my hands that my body might be better proportioned! Do you think that might work for us??? Clara No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.5 - Release Date: 12/3/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Aggie, Thanks for the best laugh I've had today!!!!! Clara No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.5 - Release Date: 12/3/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Aggie, Thanks for the best laugh I've had today!!!!! Clara No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.5 - Release Date: 12/3/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Aggie, Thanks for the best laugh I've had today!!!!! Clara No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.5 - Release Date: 12/3/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Unfortunately even after having the surgery, I still need all of these things. I don't want to have the bariatric surgery, I would like to have my bodyfat sucked, the skin removed, and my boobs put back where the started, that's all!Aggie Re: Bariatric Surgery I don't want to have the bariatric surgery, I would like to have my bodyfat sucked, the skin removed, and my boobs put back where the started, that's all!Aggie> EMAIL SUPPORT TEXAS-STYLE!!> > Visit us on the web: http://www.texastops.org> > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Unfortunately even after having the surgery, I still need all of these things. I don't want to have the bariatric surgery, I would like to have my bodyfat sucked, the skin removed, and my boobs put back where the started, that's all!Aggie Re: Bariatric Surgery I don't want to have the bariatric surgery, I would like to have my bodyfat sucked, the skin removed, and my boobs put back where the started, that's all!Aggie> EMAIL SUPPORT TEXAS-STYLE!!> > Visit us on the web: http://www.texastops.org> > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Unfortunately even after having the surgery, I still need all of these things. I don't want to have the bariatric surgery, I would like to have my bodyfat sucked, the skin removed, and my boobs put back where the started, that's all!Aggie Re: Bariatric Surgery I don't want to have the bariatric surgery, I would like to have my bodyfat sucked, the skin removed, and my boobs put back where the started, that's all!Aggie> EMAIL SUPPORT TEXAS-STYLE!!> > Visit us on the web: http://www.texastops.org> > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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