Re: Who here has had high RT3 which went down without T3?

[Guest guest]

Iv just emailed her asking for more info and for what her RT3 and FT3 results

were before and after she managed to lower it

Im suprisingly excited lol

jonny

[Guest guest]

Iv just emailed her asking for more info and for what her RT3 and FT3 results

were before and after she managed to lower it

Im suprisingly excited lol

jonny

[Guest guest]

Iv just emailed her asking for more info and for what her RT3 and FT3 results

were before and after she managed to lower it

Im suprisingly excited lol

jonny

[Guest guest]

Oh good! My brain appears to have been working after all.

I figured my RT3 was caused by low cortisol and was going to bypass the T3 only

and go straight to Armour, too. But my one and only prior experience with

thyroid meds was a 60-day trial of 1 gr Naturethroid which gave me horrible

hyper-like symptoms combined with the hypo symptoms. At the time, I didn't know

that I had both RT3 AND low cortisol.

Once I was on HC to support adrenals, I decided to go with T3 only because I

didn't want to spend months/years experimenting when Val had already discovered

the best way to get rid of RT3. I'm feeling pretty good on T3 only right now.

I'm working my up and am currently at 45mcg but I feel better than I have in a

long time. I do hope to switch to Naturethroid after the 12 week period but I'll

see how it goes.

Radar

> iv just found the message you were talking about! Here it is:

>

> " Darla - are you saying that RT3 may fix itself without T3? I'm in the same

boat but not sure how to proceed, either. "

>

> " Yes, mine did. RT3 was high from all the T4 I had been on for many years.

With proper adrenal treatment, high enough ferritin and gradually raising Armour

mine turned around with out having to resort to T3 only. If you do not fix these

things you might just keep having RT3 problems. "

>

[Guest guest]

Oh good! My brain appears to have been working after all.

I figured my RT3 was caused by low cortisol and was going to bypass the T3 only

and go straight to Armour, too. But my one and only prior experience with

thyroid meds was a 60-day trial of 1 gr Naturethroid which gave me horrible

hyper-like symptoms combined with the hypo symptoms. At the time, I didn't know

that I had both RT3 AND low cortisol.

Once I was on HC to support adrenals, I decided to go with T3 only because I

didn't want to spend months/years experimenting when Val had already discovered

the best way to get rid of RT3. I'm feeling pretty good on T3 only right now.

I'm working my up and am currently at 45mcg but I feel better than I have in a

long time. I do hope to switch to Naturethroid after the 12 week period but I'll

see how it goes.

Radar

> iv just found the message you were talking about! Here it is:

>

> " Darla - are you saying that RT3 may fix itself without T3? I'm in the same

boat but not sure how to proceed, either. "

>

> " Yes, mine did. RT3 was high from all the T4 I had been on for many years.

With proper adrenal treatment, high enough ferritin and gradually raising Armour

mine turned around with out having to resort to T3 only. If you do not fix these

things you might just keep having RT3 problems. "

>

[Guest guest]

Oh good! My brain appears to have been working after all.

I figured my RT3 was caused by low cortisol and was going to bypass the T3 only

and go straight to Armour, too. But my one and only prior experience with

thyroid meds was a 60-day trial of 1 gr Naturethroid which gave me horrible

hyper-like symptoms combined with the hypo symptoms. At the time, I didn't know

that I had both RT3 AND low cortisol.

Once I was on HC to support adrenals, I decided to go with T3 only because I

didn't want to spend months/years experimenting when Val had already discovered

the best way to get rid of RT3. I'm feeling pretty good on T3 only right now.

I'm working my up and am currently at 45mcg but I feel better than I have in a

long time. I do hope to switch to Naturethroid after the 12 week period but I'll

see how it goes.

Radar

> iv just found the message you were talking about! Here it is:

>

> " Darla - are you saying that RT3 may fix itself without T3? I'm in the same

boat but not sure how to proceed, either. "

>

> " Yes, mine did. RT3 was high from all the T4 I had been on for many years.

With proper adrenal treatment, high enough ferritin and gradually raising Armour

mine turned around with out having to resort to T3 only. If you do not fix these

things you might just keep having RT3 problems. "

>

[Guest guest]

What did everyone do before t3?? I have to say folks,after hearing

things from a friend whoes husband is a dr. This is a way of pushing the

t3 drug,so big pharma makes even more money,I'm believing this is

probably the case. I think once low ferritin or whatever is corrected,so

be the reverse t3. What did everyone do before? If one goes a lifetime

of rt3 wouldn't they end up dead or real sick if it goes on for yrs and

yrs? I don't think this is the case,rt3 is a way you're body protects

u,and once the crisis is over,it can correct itself. I do think t3 is

usefull,and sometimes needed in addition to an existing thyroid med,or

in place of.,for some,but for rt3,I don't think its true,anymore. Just

my opinion,I think it makes sense.,after all,how much of an increase in

sales,I wonder,since the whole rt3,need cytomel? Deb

--aliano

[Guest guest]

What did everyone do before t3?? I have to say folks,after hearing

things from a friend whoes husband is a dr. This is a way of pushing the

t3 drug,so big pharma makes even more money,I'm believing this is

probably the case. I think once low ferritin or whatever is corrected,so

be the reverse t3. What did everyone do before? If one goes a lifetime

of rt3 wouldn't they end up dead or real sick if it goes on for yrs and

yrs? I don't think this is the case,rt3 is a way you're body protects

u,and once the crisis is over,it can correct itself. I do think t3 is

usefull,and sometimes needed in addition to an existing thyroid med,or

in place of.,for some,but for rt3,I don't think its true,anymore. Just

my opinion,I think it makes sense.,after all,how much of an increase in

sales,I wonder,since the whole rt3,need cytomel? Deb

--aliano

[Guest guest]

What did everyone do before t3?? I have to say folks,after hearing

things from a friend whoes husband is a dr. This is a way of pushing the

t3 drug,so big pharma makes even more money,I'm believing this is

probably the case. I think once low ferritin or whatever is corrected,so

be the reverse t3. What did everyone do before? If one goes a lifetime

of rt3 wouldn't they end up dead or real sick if it goes on for yrs and

yrs? I don't think this is the case,rt3 is a way you're body protects

u,and once the crisis is over,it can correct itself. I do think t3 is

usefull,and sometimes needed in addition to an existing thyroid med,or

in place of.,for some,but for rt3,I don't think its true,anymore. Just

my opinion,I think it makes sense.,after all,how much of an increase in

sales,I wonder,since the whole rt3,need cytomel? Deb

--aliano

[Guest guest]

This was her reply:

" Honestly I can not give you the labs that were run when I had high RT3 because

I do not have them. That doc is long gone and I didn't know to get copies back

then. But it was over range and the doc told me that the ratio between RT3 and

FT3 were not right. I had no idea what that meant back then. He put me on T3

only. I did very poorly on it. I took it for 1 week. He left town for another

position and the next doc put me back on Synthroid. I went downhill terribly

from there.

All I did was treat my failing adrenals and raise my Armour according to STTM on

this link #6.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/things-we-have-learned

Here are some more links on adrenals and ferritin.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ferritin

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/how-to-treat "

Jonny

[Guest guest]

This was her reply:

" Honestly I can not give you the labs that were run when I had high RT3 because

I do not have them. That doc is long gone and I didn't know to get copies back

then. But it was over range and the doc told me that the ratio between RT3 and

FT3 were not right. I had no idea what that meant back then. He put me on T3

only. I did very poorly on it. I took it for 1 week. He left town for another

position and the next doc put me back on Synthroid. I went downhill terribly

from there.

All I did was treat my failing adrenals and raise my Armour according to STTM on

this link #6.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/things-we-have-learned

Here are some more links on adrenals and ferritin.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ferritin

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/how-to-treat "

Jonny

[Guest guest]

This was her reply:

" Honestly I can not give you the labs that were run when I had high RT3 because

I do not have them. That doc is long gone and I didn't know to get copies back

then. But it was over range and the doc told me that the ratio between RT3 and

FT3 were not right. I had no idea what that meant back then. He put me on T3

only. I did very poorly on it. I took it for 1 week. He left town for another

position and the next doc put me back on Synthroid. I went downhill terribly

from there.

All I did was treat my failing adrenals and raise my Armour according to STTM on

this link #6.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/things-we-have-learned

Here are some more links on adrenals and ferritin.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ferritin

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/how-to-treat "

Jonny

[Guest guest]

Well I do nto work for the Cytomel manufactureers and I get my

information fromhonest and well done scientific studies. No I do nto

think this is a pharma move to gain sales. Yiuo dontl; see TV ads for

T3 onyl do you? You don't see doctors pushing T3 ionly from what their

reps tell them either. Nope soryr not buyinginto that. T3 has been

around for AGES, It has also been misunderstood for ages. It has been

called SPEED for God's sake! Adiictive, Dangerous, Will cause heart

attacks.. etc just to name a few of the rumours I have heard FROM

doctors . So no, this isn't a pharmaceutical push to sell T3. I also hd

high RT3 for over 15 yheasr and did nto die from it, but CLOSE.

OCngestive Heart Failure supposedly has NO CLURE, but guess what .. T3

cures it. If they really wanted to push it why not advertise it for what

it works for?

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

[Guest guest]

Deb,because I couldn't tolerate armour I stopped taking it and was getting more and more hypo everyday, my RT3 did not correct.  Now that I'm finally take T3 (albeit low amounts) I' starting to pick up.  I can't see how being on nothing for thyroid would help me at all.

What did everyone do before t3?? I have to say folks,after hearing

things from a friend whoes husband is a dr. This is a way of pushing the

t3 drug,so big pharma makes even more money,I'm believing this is

probably the case. I think once low ferritin or whatever is corrected,so

be the reverse t3. What did everyone do before? If one goes a lifetime

of rt3 wouldn't they end up dead or real sick if it goes on for yrs and

yrs? I don't think this is the case,rt3 is a way you're body protects

u,and once the crisis is over,it can correct itself. I do think t3 is

usefull,and sometimes needed in addition to an existing thyroid med,or

in place of.,for some,but for rt3,I don't think its true,anymore. Just

my opinion,I think it makes sense.,after all,how much of an increase in

sales,I wonder,since the whole rt3,need cytomel? Deb

--aliano

[Guest guest]

I agree Val.  Pushing T3 by who I wonder.  It's worse than pulling teeth to get this prescribed.  This is definitely not one that's being pushed by anyone.  We have such a hard time getting any doctor to understand.  Very few prescribe so this doesn't make any sense.

Well I do nto work for the Cytomel manufactureers and I get my

information fromhonest and well done scientific studies. No I do nto

think this is a pharma move to gain sales. Yiuo  dontl; see TV ads for

T3 onyl do you? You don't see doctors pushing T3 ionly from what their

reps tell them either. Nope soryr not buyinginto that. T3 has been

around for AGES, It has also been misunderstood for ages. It has been

called SPEED for God's sake! Adiictive,  Dangerous, Will cause heart

attacks.. etc just to name a few of the rumours I have heard FROM

doctors . So no, this isn't a pharmaceutical push to sell T3. I also hd

high RT3 for over 15 yheasr and did nto die from it, but CLOSE.

OCngestive Heart Failure supposedly has NO CLURE, but guess what .. T3

cures it. If they really wanted to push it why not advertise it for what

it works for?

--

                      Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

                         http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

              http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

                    http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

                       http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

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[Guest guest]

I had a hard time trying to get T3.  That's not a very good pusher,  better find a different line of business or something else to push :-) 

I agree Val.  Pushing T3 by who I wonder.  It's worse than pulling teeth to get this prescribed.  This is definitely not one that's being pushed by anyone.  We have such a hard time getting any doctor to understand.  Very few prescribe so this doesn't make any sense.

[Guest guest]

Please see my posts Elyse - I appear to be doing very well on Armour, despite high RT3 levels a few months ago. Maybe T3 treatment isn't applicable for all people with high RT3.

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 5:55:24 AMSubject: Re: Re: Who here has had high RT3 which went down without T3?

Jonny,

I can't see how increasing armour would help with reducing RT3.

People, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't high RT3 also mean we have excess T4?

Armour has 5 times as much T4 as it does T3, and armour is good for people with no RT3, but when we have RT3 the balance is all wrong.

Elyse

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 3:36 PM, jrshannie <jrshannieyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

No Im willing to take T3 only, but would like to know if it is possible to lower it without as I think Dr Peatfield's view, who I am seeing, is that it is not needed.If he says this to me when I next speak to him and there HAS been people who have lowered their RT3 without needing T3, then I think I will do what he says (which is probably to keep increasing Armour). If however there is no one, then I think I will probably end up trying the T3.ThanksJonny

[Guest guest]

I've been taking natural adrenal supplements for about six weeks now - I had already noticed a dramatic improvement in my health when taking Armour (since January) and no adrenal support.

My stress level have not decreased significantly in the past few months either - I have taken on an extra study load for uni, and have had my driver's license suspended for six months (minor speeding offences, parking in school zones), so that in itself has proven stressful and difficult! Plus I am a sole parent to two children and that in itself brings a certain level of "stress" to daily life!! Adrienne

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 6:11:15 AMSubject: Re: Who here has had high RT3 which went down without T3?

I think Darla on the main NTH goup cleared RT3 without going to T3 only. If I remember correctly, she said it cleared by correcting low adrenals with HC. At least that's what I remember from months ago....I was in quite a brain fog then..Radar> Just curious as to how many people there are who have had high RT3 but didn't need to take T3 only in order to lower it?> > And also, what did you do that lowered it?> > I think this would be very interesting to know as while some people seem to need T3 to lower it, it seems there are some that don't.

[Guest guest]

That's great you're doing well with the armour, I didn't do well with it at all.  The reason I wondered about armour for high RT3 is because I thought high RT3 also meant excess T4.  I could be wrong about that, I haven't heard anything back on that yet.

Do you remember the subject line of your posts so I can look for them?  Thanks,Elyse 

Please see my posts Elyse - I appear to be doing very well on Armour, despite high RT3 levels a few months ago.  Maybe T3 treatment isn't applicable for all people with high RT3.

[Guest guest]

I think what must also be kept in perspective is the cause of my high RT3 in the first place, which, according to my new doctor, was a prolonger period of annorexic behaviour. The weight loss and restrictive diet caused the high RT3. I am now eating more normally each day, and this in itself may reduce the excessive RT3 levels to normal. I'm only hypothesising at this point, but if a restrictive diet can cause s, then an optimum diet can alleviate it? Hmmm, more food for thought. haha pun intended.

Adrienne

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 6:39:25 AMSubject: Re: Who here has had high RT3 which went down without T3?

Thanks very much for that Radar,iv just found the message you were talking about! Here it is:"Darla - are you saying that RT3 may fix itself without T3? I'm in the same boat but not sure how to proceed, either.""Yes, mine did. RT3 was high from all the T4 I had been on for many years. With proper adrenal treatment, high enough ferritin and gradually raising Armour mine turned around with out having to resort to T3 only. If you do not fix these things you might just keep having RT3 problems."I think I will email here and ask what here RT3 results actually were. I think this is very interesting. I seem to remember Dr Lowe saying that when somebody has high cortisol, there RT3 does up but only temporarily. This also implies that RT3 can come down on its own accord.ThanksJonny

[Guest guest]

I think what must also be kept in perspective is the cause of my high RT3 in the first place, which, according to my new doctor, was a prolonger period of annorexic behaviour. The weight loss and restrictive diet caused the high RT3. I am now eating more normally each day, and this in itself may reduce the excessive RT3 levels to normal. I'm only hypothesising at this point, but if a restrictive diet can cause s, then an optimum diet can alleviate it? Hmmm, more food for thought. haha pun intended.

Adrienne

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 6:39:25 AMSubject: Re: Who here has had high RT3 which went down without T3?

Thanks very much for that Radar,iv just found the message you were talking about! Here it is:"Darla - are you saying that RT3 may fix itself without T3? I'm in the same boat but not sure how to proceed, either.""Yes, mine did. RT3 was high from all the T4 I had been on for many years. With proper adrenal treatment, high enough ferritin and gradually raising Armour mine turned around with out having to resort to T3 only. If you do not fix these things you might just keep having RT3 problems."I think I will email here and ask what here RT3 results actually were. I think this is very interesting. I seem to remember Dr Lowe saying that when somebody has high cortisol, there RT3 does up but only temporarily. This also implies that RT3 can come down on its own accord.ThanksJonny

[Guest guest]

Jonny,

I'm very excited to hear somebody did clear RT3 not only on T3.I'm sure

everybody is a different and what works for one it won't necessary work for

others.But somehow I'm puzzled that the T3 is the only chance.I even

misunderstood Adrienne message that she is on T3 only but she is on Armour,so I

will wait for her to get her test in July and let us know what are the results.

I hope we will have a second person here to succeed without the use of T3 only.

Jonny,I will appreciate to keep us updated and let us know how things developed.

Thank you

Milena

>

> Iv just emailed her asking for more info and for what her RT3 and FT3 results

were before and after she managed to lower it

>

> Im suprisingly excited lol

>

> jonny

>

[Guest guest]

Just curious, why are there some folks who just don't want to go on T3 only?  Is it because you can't get it from the doc or what's the fear all about.  Just curious.

Jonny,

I'm very excited to hear somebody did clear RT3 not only on T3.I'm sure everybody is a different and what works for one it won't necessary work for others.But somehow I'm puzzled that the T3 is the only chance.I even misunderstood  Adrienne message that she is on T3 only but she is on Armour,so I will wait for her to get her test in July and let us know what are the results. I hope we will have a second person here to succeed without the use of T3 only.

Jonny,I will appreciate to keep us updated and let us know how things developed.

Thank you

Milena

>

> Iv just emailed her asking for more info and for what her RT3 and FT3 results were before and after she managed to lower it

>

> Im suprisingly excited lol

>

> jonny

>

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[Guest guest]

No I don't remember the subject lines of posts, sorry Elyse. I did one earlier today that summarised my experience so far, and my story is on STTM.

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:42:11 AMSubject: Re: Re: Who here has had high RT3 which went down without T3?

That's great you're doing well with the armour, I didn't do well with it at all. The reason I wondered about armour for high RT3 is because I thought high RT3 also meant excess T4. I could be wrong about that, I haven't heard anything back on that yet.

Do you remember the subject line of your posts so I can look for them? Thanks,

Elyse

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 7:38 PM, A W <kimberlachyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Please see my posts Elyse - I appear to be doing very well on Armour, despite high RT3 levels a few months ago. Maybe T3 treatment isn't applicable for all people with high RT3.

[Guest guest]

I'm not worried about going on T3 - I'm doing very well with my current treatment (Armour) so why would I want to change to T3? Unless my doctor recommends it if my next blood test shows elevated RT3 levels, I see no reason to change from something that is already working. As said earlier today, I am open minded about treatment options, so will go with my doctor's recommendation. I actually trust this one!

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:26:31 AMSubject: Re: Re: Who here has had high RT3 which went down without T3?

Just curious, why are there some folks who just don't want to go on T3 only? Is it because you can't get it from the doc or what's the fear all about. Just curious.

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:22 PM, milenawilbur <milenawilbur@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Jonny,I'm very excited to hear somebody did clear RT3 not only on T3.I'm sure everybody is a different and what works for one it won't necessary work for others.But somehow I'm puzzled that the T3 is the only chance.I even misunderstood Adrienne message that she is on T3 only but she is on Armour,so I will wait for her to get her test in July and let us know what are the results. I hope we will have a second person here to succeed without the use of T3 only.Jonny,I will appreciate to keep us updated and let us know how things developed.Thank youMilena>> Iv just emailed her asking for more info and for what her RT3 and FT3 results were before and

after she managed to lower it>> Im suprisingly excited lol>> jonny>------------ --------- --------- ------