Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 You have not nbeen on T3 loing enough to clear out RT3 form the receptors. It took me 12 weeks on it before the T3 broke through and all my hyop symoms were gone. Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Thanks Dorothy. I understand that, too. You mentioned that some people can do some T4 but it depends on what the RT3 is. That is the part I was trying to clarify. Maybe you mean that is usually okay only if the ratio is over 20? Is that a correct understanding? From: RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of dorothyroeder Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:05 AM To: RT3_T3 Subject: Re: Armour+Cytomel >What guidelines are there for judging this approach? > Ratios or actual number of RT3? Val goes over this almost every day. You get FT3 and RT3, look at the ratio. It should be 20 or over. As long as you have the RT3 problem and keep on taking T4 the T4 will keep on converting to Rt3 instead of useful T3. You will keep building up more RT3 in your cells which blocks the good T3 and you will get more and more hyper. That is how it was for me. Some people occasionally apparently seem to do OK with some T4, but the process has to be slower. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Thanks Dorothy. I understand that, too. You mentioned that some people can do some T4 but it depends on what the RT3 is. That is the part I was trying to clarify. Maybe you mean that is usually okay only if the ratio is over 20? Is that a correct understanding? From: RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of dorothyroeder Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:05 AM To: RT3_T3 Subject: Re: Armour+Cytomel >What guidelines are there for judging this approach? > Ratios or actual number of RT3? Val goes over this almost every day. You get FT3 and RT3, look at the ratio. It should be 20 or over. As long as you have the RT3 problem and keep on taking T4 the T4 will keep on converting to Rt3 instead of useful T3. You will keep building up more RT3 in your cells which blocks the good T3 and you will get more and more hyper. That is how it was for me. Some people occasionally apparently seem to do OK with some T4, but the process has to be slower. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Thanks Dorothy. I understand that, too. You mentioned that some people can do some T4 but it depends on what the RT3 is. That is the part I was trying to clarify. Maybe you mean that is usually okay only if the ratio is over 20? Is that a correct understanding? From: RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of dorothyroeder Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:05 AM To: RT3_T3 Subject: Re: Armour+Cytomel >What guidelines are there for judging this approach? > Ratios or actual number of RT3? Val goes over this almost every day. You get FT3 and RT3, look at the ratio. It should be 20 or over. As long as you have the RT3 problem and keep on taking T4 the T4 will keep on converting to Rt3 instead of useful T3. You will keep building up more RT3 in your cells which blocks the good T3 and you will get more and more hyper. That is how it was for me. Some people occasionally apparently seem to do OK with some T4, but the process has to be slower. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Thanks. I did consider that. But, it is so hard with the hypo symptoms getting so much worse in the meantime. Guess I should wait it out? > > You have not nbeen on T3 loing enough to clear out RT3 form the receptors. > It took me 12 weeks on it before the T3 broke through and all my hyop symoms > were gone. > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Thanks. I did consider that. But, it is so hard with the hypo symptoms getting so much worse in the meantime. Guess I should wait it out? > > You have not nbeen on T3 loing enough to clear out RT3 form the receptors. > It took me 12 weeks on it before the T3 broke through and all my hyop symoms > were gone. > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Thanks. I did consider that. But, it is so hard with the hypo symptoms getting so much worse in the meantime. Guess I should wait it out? > > You have not nbeen on T3 loing enough to clear out RT3 form the receptors. > It took me 12 weeks on it before the T3 broke through and all my hyop symoms > were gone. > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Those numbers were at 3.5 grains of Armour. At 2.5 grains I was getting RT3, but ratio was 12 and RT3 was 26. I have had more problems since switching to Armour from T4 and trying to get my Frees up. I think it just pushed too much for my body. I don’t know if my problem is adrenals or the 10 amalgams I have in my mouth or something else, but my body has freaked out from the high doses of Armour. (Though I have improved moods and less hair loss at the high doses – so it’s not all bad.) J From: RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of gypsy_girl_1979 Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:00 AM To: RT3_T3 Subject: Re: Armour+Cytomel Yeah, I am pretty clueless. What were you doing when you got those numbers? I went up to 75 Cytomel and it seemed that I got worse without the T4. My T4 had been good on 100 Levoxyl before, but my T3 was way low and RT3 high. Ratio was okay, though. Thanks. > > > > Can you say more about it depends on RT3 levels? My doc has prescribed > > Armour plus Cytomel. What guidelines are there for judging this approach? > > Ratios or actual number of RT3? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Grace > > > > > > > > From: RT3_T3 <mailto:RT3_T3%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:RT3_T3 <mailto:RT3_T3%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf > Of > > dorothyroeder > > > > > Has anyone done well on Armour+Cytomel? What do you think about this? > > > > Depends on your RT3 levels. > > > > Dorothy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Those numbers were at 3.5 grains of Armour. At 2.5 grains I was getting RT3, but ratio was 12 and RT3 was 26. I have had more problems since switching to Armour from T4 and trying to get my Frees up. I think it just pushed too much for my body. I don’t know if my problem is adrenals or the 10 amalgams I have in my mouth or something else, but my body has freaked out from the high doses of Armour. (Though I have improved moods and less hair loss at the high doses – so it’s not all bad.) J From: RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of gypsy_girl_1979 Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:00 AM To: RT3_T3 Subject: Re: Armour+Cytomel Yeah, I am pretty clueless. What were you doing when you got those numbers? I went up to 75 Cytomel and it seemed that I got worse without the T4. My T4 had been good on 100 Levoxyl before, but my T3 was way low and RT3 high. Ratio was okay, though. Thanks. > > > > Can you say more about it depends on RT3 levels? My doc has prescribed > > Armour plus Cytomel. What guidelines are there for judging this approach? > > Ratios or actual number of RT3? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Grace > > > > > > > > From: RT3_T3 <mailto:RT3_T3%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:RT3_T3 <mailto:RT3_T3%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf > Of > > dorothyroeder > > > > > Has anyone done well on Armour+Cytomel? What do you think about this? > > > > Depends on your RT3 levels. > > > > Dorothy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Those numbers were at 3.5 grains of Armour. At 2.5 grains I was getting RT3, but ratio was 12 and RT3 was 26. I have had more problems since switching to Armour from T4 and trying to get my Frees up. I think it just pushed too much for my body. I don’t know if my problem is adrenals or the 10 amalgams I have in my mouth or something else, but my body has freaked out from the high doses of Armour. (Though I have improved moods and less hair loss at the high doses – so it’s not all bad.) J From: RT3_T3 [mailto:RT3_T3 ] On Behalf Of gypsy_girl_1979 Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:00 AM To: RT3_T3 Subject: Re: Armour+Cytomel Yeah, I am pretty clueless. What were you doing when you got those numbers? I went up to 75 Cytomel and it seemed that I got worse without the T4. My T4 had been good on 100 Levoxyl before, but my T3 was way low and RT3 high. Ratio was okay, though. Thanks. > > > > Can you say more about it depends on RT3 levels? My doc has prescribed > > Armour plus Cytomel. What guidelines are there for judging this approach? > > Ratios or actual number of RT3? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Grace > > > > > > > > From: RT3_T3 <mailto:RT3_T3%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:RT3_T3 <mailto:RT3_T3%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf > Of > > dorothyroeder > > > > > Has anyone done well on Armour+Cytomel? What do you think about this? > > > > Depends on your RT3 levels. > > > > Dorothy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 More T3 might help , how high are you now? Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 More T3 might help , how high are you now? Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 More T3 might help , how high are you now? Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Maybe you mean that is usually okay only if the ratio is over > 20? Is that a correct understanding? I think a ratio of 20 or more means you have enough T3 available to provide the body what it needs. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Maybe you mean that is usually okay only if the ratio is over > 20? Is that a correct understanding? I think a ratio of 20 or more means you have enough T3 available to provide the body what it needs. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Maybe you mean that is usually okay only if the ratio is over > 20? Is that a correct understanding? I think a ratio of 20 or more means you have enough T3 available to provide the body what it needs. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Maybe I am dosing wrong or something? This is kinda what I have been doing: 8 am - 25 11 am - 12.5 1 pm - 12.5 4 pm - 12.5 6 pm - 12.5 ?? > > Maybe you mean that is usually okay only if the ratio is over > > 20? Is that a correct understanding? > > I think a ratio of 20 or more means you have enough T3 available to provide the body what it needs. > > Dorothy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Maybe I am dosing wrong or something? This is kinda what I have been doing: 8 am - 25 11 am - 12.5 1 pm - 12.5 4 pm - 12.5 6 pm - 12.5 ?? > > Maybe you mean that is usually okay only if the ratio is over > > 20? Is that a correct understanding? > > I think a ratio of 20 or more means you have enough T3 available to provide the body what it needs. > > Dorothy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Maybe I am dosing wrong or something? This is kinda what I have been doing: 8 am - 25 11 am - 12.5 1 pm - 12.5 4 pm - 12.5 6 pm - 12.5 ?? > > Maybe you mean that is usually okay only if the ratio is over > > 20? Is that a correct understanding? > > I think a ratio of 20 or more means you have enough T3 available to provide the body what it needs. > > Dorothy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 > I have had more problems since > switching to Armour from T4 and trying to get my Frees up. I think it just > pushed too much for my body. I don't know if my problem is adrenals or the Have you done saliva cortisol levels? You body can't handle the thyroid incr without enough cortisol. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 > I have had more problems since > switching to Armour from T4 and trying to get my Frees up. I think it just > pushed too much for my body. I don't know if my problem is adrenals or the Have you done saliva cortisol levels? You body can't handle the thyroid incr without enough cortisol. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 > I have had more problems since > switching to Armour from T4 and trying to get my Frees up. I think it just > pushed too much for my body. I don't know if my problem is adrenals or the Have you done saliva cortisol levels? You body can't handle the thyroid incr without enough cortisol. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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