Re: sugar feeds cancer

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I"m just telling you what it says below in the aritcle. Personally, I haven't noticed any tumor growth because I eat sugar or metabolize a lot of it (and when I say sugar, I'm talking about breads, starches, long chain carbohydrates). Believe what you want. I do agree that too much sugar makes you feel like garbage, creates havoc for you insulin levels or whatever, but you'll have a hard time proving to me that sugar causes tumors! Especially with NF2! Give me a break, CinnyD!

I think you are wrong Greg! i'M KIDDING, YOU KNOW i'M KIDDING YOU GREGGY, yuare one of my best friends! I know nf2 is genetic, but I will go to my gravebelieving refined foods, especially sugar IS bad news for tumors and healthin general. There is also a large segment of society who believe cows milkis very bad for humans (I am highly lactose intolerant, have not touchedmilk in 2 yrs and feel a lot better), and the store bought bread is not thehealthiest way to get grains, just look at the ingriedients. Im out of thistopic now becuz i HAVE NO DESIRE TO CONVERT ANYONE (ack caps sorry) Its justkeeping my body in as good condition as possible is my latst assault on nf2.But as I was saying to a friend here, if you notice, a lot of people diefrom nf2 becuz of pnemonia. I am making every e effot to have a strongimmune system so when these tumors do need removed I will be healthy enoughto heal.- Re: sugar feeds cancerI don't think sugar is a determinant when it comes to NF2, bc I don't thinksugar plays a role in the mutation of the NF2 gene. It's within thegenetics of that person, which causes NF2, just like it's possible that somepeople are more prone to cancer than others. It's genetics. It affects 1in 40,000 births, something like that, and with Asians, perhaps theirculture is not as susceptible to the mutation of the NF2 gene and that wouldbe a reason why Asians, perhaps, would not have the same rate of NF2 intheir births as Europeans. Also, I'm not sure, but the theory below makesit sound like exercise is bad for you. It says that malignant tumorssomehow thrive off glycolosis, which increases as your metabolism speeds up.Glycolosis, produces higher acidic levels, which in turn produce largertumors. That what is says for cancer tumors.You can dump table sugar fromyou diet, but you can't drop other sugars like breads, rice, fruit, andgrains. Those are important to you health. Right? Well, this is my take onthe sugar debate. What do ya think?Greg !Interesting thought would be ' what's NF2 statistics per head of populationin countries like japan where sugar is not as prevalent as in USA or OZ ?Interested but not wanting to do without fruit Marcus> I know you won't like this, but I am a health nut ok. Cancer is not a> prevalent problem for us, but tumors are, and cancer is tumors.>> SUGAR AND CANCER>> It puzzles me why the simple concept "sugar feeds> cancer" can be so> dramatically> overlooked as part of a comprehensive cancer treatment> plan.>> Of the 4 million cancer patients being treated in> America today, hardly any> are> offered any scientifically guided nutrition therapy> beyond being told to> "just> eat good foods." Most patients I work with arrive with> a complete lack of> nutritional> advice. I believe many cancer patients would have a> major improvement in> their> outcome if they controlled the supply of cancer's> preferred fuel, glucose.> By> slowing the cancer's growth, patients allow their immune> systems and medical> debulking therapies--chemotherapy, radiation and surgery> to reduce the bulk> of> the tumor mass--to catch up to the disease. Controlling> one's blood-glucose> levels through diet, supplements, exercise, meditation> and prescription> drugs> when necessary can be one of the most crucial components> to a cancer> recovery> program. The sound bite--sugar feeds cancer--is simple.> The explanation is> a little more complex.>> The 1931 Nobel laureate in medicine, German Otto> Warburg, Ph.D., first> discovered> that cancer> cells have a fundamentally different energy metabolism> compared to healthy> cells.> The crux of his Nobel thesis was that malignant tumors> frequently exhibit> an> increase in anaerobic glycolysis - - a process whereby> glucose is used as a> fuel> by cancer cells with lactic acid as an anaerobic> byproduct - - compared to> normal> tissues.>> The large amount of lactic acid produced by this> fermentation of glucose> from> cancer cells is then transported to the liver. This> conversion of glucose to> lactate generates a lower, more acidic pH in cancerous> tissues as well as> overall> physical fatigue from lactic acid buildup. Thus, larger> tumors tend to> exhibit> a more acidic pH.4>> This inefficient pathway for energy metabolism yields> only 2 moles of> adenosine> triphosphate (ATP) energy per mole of glucose, compared> to 38 moles of ATP> in> the complete aerobic oxidation of glucose. By extracting> only about 5> percent> (2 vs. 38 moles of ATP) of the available energy in the> food supply and the> body's> calorie stores, the cancer is "wasting" energy, and the> patient becomes> tired> and undernourished. This vicious cycle increases body> wasting.>> It is one reason why 40 percent of cancer patients die> from malnutrition, or> cachexia. Hence, cancer therapies should encompass> regulating blood-glucose> levels via diet, supplements, non-oral solutions for> cachectic patients who> lose> their appetite, medication, exercise, gradual weight> loss and stress> reduction.> Professional guidance and patient self-discipline are> crucial at this point> in the cancer process. The quest is not to eliminate> sugars or> carbohydrates> from the diet but rather to control blood glucose within> a narrow range to> help> starve the cancer and bolster immune function.>> The glycemic index is a measure of how a given food> affects blood-glucose> levels,> with each food assigned a numbered rating. The lower> the rating, the slower> the digestion and absorption process, which provides a> healthier, more> gradual> infusion of sugars into the bloodstream. Conversely, a> high rating means> blood-glucose> levels are increased quickly, which stimulates the> pancreas to secrete> insulin> to drop blood-sugar levels. This rapid fluctuation of> blood-sugar levels is> unhealthy because of the stress it places on the body>> Sugar in the Body and Diet>> Sugar is a generic term used to identify simple> carbohydrates, which> includes> monosaccharides such as fructose, glucose and galactose;> and disaccharides> such> as maltose and sucrose (white table sugar). Think of> these sugars as> different-shaped> bricks in a wall. When fructose is the primary> monosaccharide brick in the> wall,> the glycemic index registers as healthier, since this> simple sugar is slowly> absorbed in the gut, then converted to glucose in the> liver. This makes for> "time-release foods," which offer a more gradual rise> and fall in> blood-glucose> levels. If glucose is the primary monosaccharide brick> in the wall, the> glycemic> index will be higher and less healthy for the> individual. As the brick wall> is torn apart in digestion, the glucose is pumped across> the intestinal wall> directly into the bloodstream, rapidly raising> blood-glucose levels. In> other> words, there is a "window of efficacy" for glucose in> the blood: levels too> low> make one feel lethargic and can create clinical> hypoglycemia; levels too> high> start creating the rippling effect of diabetic health> problems.>> The 1997 American Diabetes Association blood-glucose> standards consider 126> mg> glucose/dL blood or greater to be diabetic; 111­125> mg/dL is impaired> glucose> tolerance and less than 110 mg/dL is considered normal.> Meanwhile, the> Paleolithic> diet of our ancestors, which consisted of lean meats,> vegetables and small> amounts> of whole grains, nuts, seeds and fruits, is estimated to> have generated> blood> glucose levels between 60 and 90 mg/dL.>> Obviously, today's high-sugar diets are having unhealthy> effects as far as> blood-sugar> is concerned. Excess blood glucose may initiate yeast> overgrowth, blood> vessel> deterioration, heart disease and other health> conditions.>> Understanding and using the glycemic index is an> important aspect of diet> modification> for cancer patients. However, there is also evidence> that sugars may feed> cancer> more efficiently than starches (comprised of long chains> of simple sugars),> making> the index slightly misleading. A study of rats fed> diets with equal> calories> from sugars and starches, for example, found the animals> on the high-sugar> diet> developed more cases of breast cancer.>> The glycemic index is a useful tool in guiding the> cancer patient toward a> healthier> diet, but it is not infallible. By using the glycemic> index alone, one> could> be led to thinking a cup of white sugar is healthier> than a baked potato.> This> is because the glycemic index rating of a sugary food> may be lower than that> of a starchy food. To be safe, I recommend less fruit,> more vegetables, and> little to no refined sugars in the diet of cancer> patients.>> What the Literature Says>> A mouse model of human breast cancer demonstrated that> tumors are sensitive> to> blood-glucose levels. Sixty-eight mice were injected> with an aggressive> strain> of breast cancer, then fed diets to induce either high> blood-sugar> (hyperglycemia),> normoglycemia or low blood-sugar> (hypoglycemia). There was a dose-dependent response in> which the lower the> blood> glucose, the greater the survival rate. After 70 days, 8> of 24 hyperglycemic> mice survived compared to 16 of 24 normoglycemic and 19> of 20 hypoglycemic.>> This suggests that regulating sugar intake is key to> slowing breast tumor> growth.>> In a human study, 10 healthy people were assessed for> fasting blood-glucose> levels> and the phagocytic index of neutrophils, which measures> immune-cell ability> to> envelop and destroy invaders such as cancer. Eating 100> g carbohydrates from> glucose, sucrose, honey and orange> juice all significantly decreased the capacity of> neutrophils to engulf> bacteria.> Starch did not have this effect.>> A four-year study at the National Institute of Public> Health and> Environmental> Protection in the Netherlands compared 111 biliary tract> cancer patients> with> 480 controls. Cancer risk associated with the intake of> sugars, independent> of other energy sources, more than doubled for the> cancer patients.>> Furthermore, an epidemiological study in 21 modern> countries that keep track> of morbidity and mortality (Europe, North America, Japan> and others)> revealed> that sugar intake is a strong risk factor that> contributes to higher breast> cancer> rates, particularly in older women.>> Limiting sugar consumption may not be the only line of> defense. In fact, an> interesting> botanical extract from the avocado plant (Persea> americana) is showing> promise> as a new cancer adjunct. When a purified avocado> extract called> mannoheptulose> was added to a number of tumor cell lines tested in> vitro by researchers in> the> Department of Biochemistry at Oxford University in> Britain, they found it> inhibited> tumor cell glucose uptake by 25 to 75 percent, and it> inhibited the enzyme> glucokinase> responsible for glycolysis. It also inhibited the> growth rate of the> cultured> tumor cell lines. The same researchers gave lab animals> a 1.7 mg/g body> weight> dose of mannoheptulose for five days; it reduced tumors> by 65 to 79 percent.> Based on these studies, there is good reason to believe> that avocado> extract> could help cancer patients by limiting glucose to the> tumor cells.>> Since cancer cells derive most of their energy from> anaerobic glycolysis,> ph> Gold, M.D., director of the Syracuse (N.Y.) Cancer> Research Institute and> former> U.S. Air Force research physician, surmised that a> chemical called hydrazine> sulfate, used in rocket fuel, could inhibit the> excessive gluconeogenesis> (making> sugar from amino acids) that occurs in cachectic cancer> patients. Gold's> work> demonstrated hydrazine sulfate's ability to slow and> reverse cachexia in> advanced> cancer patients. A placebo-controlled trial followed> 101 cancer patients> taking> either 6 mg hydrazine sulfate three times/day or> placebo. After one month,> 83> percent of hydrazine sulfate patients increased their> weight, compared to 53> percent on placebo.15 A similar study by the same> principal researchers,> partly> funded by the National Cancer Institute in Bethesda,> Md., followed 65> patients.> Those who took hydrazine sulfate and were in good> physical condition before> the> study began lived an average of 17 weeks longer.>> The medical establishment may be missing the connection> between sugar and> its> role in tumorigenesis. Consider the million-dollar> positive emission> tomography> device, or PET scan, regarded as one of the ultimate> cancer-detection tools.> PET scans use radioactively labeled glucose to detect> sugar-hungry tumor> cells.> PET scans are used to plot the progress of cancer> patients and to assess> whether> present protocols are effective.18>> In Europe, the "sugar feeds cancer" concept is so well> accepted that> oncologists,> or cancer doctors, use the Systemic Cancer Multistep> Therapy (SCMT)> protocol.> Conceived by Manfred von Ardenne in Germany in 1965,> SCMT entails injecting> patients> with glucose to increase blood-glucose concentrations.> This lowers pH values> in cancer tissues via lactic acid formation. In turn,> this intensifies the> thermal> sensitivity of the malignant tumors and also induces> rapid growth of the> cancer.> Patients are then given whole-body hyperthermia (42 C> core temperature) to> further> stress the cancer cells, followed by chemotherapy or> radiation.19 SCMT was> tested> on 103 patients with metastasized cancer or recurrent> primary tumors in a> clinical> phase-I study at the Von Ardenne Institute of Applied> Medical Research in> Dresden,> Germany. Five-year survival rates in SCMT-treated> patients increased by 25> to> 50 percent, and the complete rate of tumor regression> increased by 30 to 50> percent.>> The protocol induces rapid growth of the cancer, then> treats the tumor with> toxic> therapies for a dramatic improvement in outcome.>> The irrefutable role of glucose in the growth and> metastasis of cancer cells> can enhance many therapies. Some of these include diets> designed with the> glycemic> index in mind to regulate increases in blood glucose,> hence selectively> starving> the cancer cells; low-glucose TPN solutions; avocado> extract to inhibit> glucose> uptake in cancer cells; hydrazine sulfate to inhibit> gluconeogenesis in> cancer> cells; and SCMT.>> A female patient in her 50s, with lung cancer, came to> our clinic, having> been> given a death sentence by her Florida oncologist. She> was cooperative and> understood> the connection between nutrition and cancer. She> changed her diet> considerably,> leaving out 90 percent of the sugar she used to eat.> She found that wheat> bread> and oat cereal now had their own wild sweetness, even> without added sugar.> With> appropriately restrained medical therapy--including> high-dose radiation> targeted> to tumor sites and fractionated chemotherapy, a> technique that distributes> the> normal one large weekly chemo dose into a 60-hour> infusion lasting days--a> good> attitude and an optimal nutrition program which included> Sam's formula nine> times/day,> she beat her terminal lung cancer. I saw her last> month, five years later> and> still disease-free, probably looking better than the> doctor who told her> there> was no hope.> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>>>

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I"m just telling you what it says below in the aritcle. Personally, I haven't noticed any tumor growth because I eat sugar or metabolize a lot of it (and when I say sugar, I'm talking about breads, starches, long chain carbohydrates). Believe what you want. I do agree that too much sugar makes you feel like garbage, creates havoc for you insulin levels or whatever, but you'll have a hard time proving to me that sugar causes tumors! Especially with NF2! Give me a break, CinnyD!

I think you are wrong Greg! i'M KIDDING, YOU KNOW i'M KIDDING YOU GREGGY, yuare one of my best friends! I know nf2 is genetic, but I will go to my gravebelieving refined foods, especially sugar IS bad news for tumors and healthin general. There is also a large segment of society who believe cows milkis very bad for humans (I am highly lactose intolerant, have not touchedmilk in 2 yrs and feel a lot better), and the store bought bread is not thehealthiest way to get grains, just look at the ingriedients. Im out of thistopic now becuz i HAVE NO DESIRE TO CONVERT ANYONE (ack caps sorry) Its justkeeping my body in as good condition as possible is my latst assault on nf2.But as I was saying to a friend here, if you notice, a lot of people diefrom nf2 becuz of pnemonia. I am making every e effot to have a strongimmune system so when these tumors do need removed I will be healthy enoughto heal.- Re: sugar feeds cancerI don't think sugar is a determinant when it comes to NF2, bc I don't thinksugar plays a role in the mutation of the NF2 gene. It's within thegenetics of that person, which causes NF2, just like it's possible that somepeople are more prone to cancer than others. It's genetics. It affects 1in 40,000 births, something like that, and with Asians, perhaps theirculture is not as susceptible to the mutation of the NF2 gene and that wouldbe a reason why Asians, perhaps, would not have the same rate of NF2 intheir births as Europeans. Also, I'm not sure, but the theory below makesit sound like exercise is bad for you. It says that malignant tumorssomehow thrive off glycolosis, which increases as your metabolism speeds up.Glycolosis, produces higher acidic levels, which in turn produce largertumors. That what is says for cancer tumors.You can dump table sugar fromyou diet, but you can't drop other sugars like breads, rice, fruit, andgrains. Those are important to you health. Right? Well, this is my take onthe sugar debate. What do ya think?Greg !Interesting thought would be ' what's NF2 statistics per head of populationin countries like japan where sugar is not as prevalent as in USA or OZ ?Interested but not wanting to do without fruit Marcus> I know you won't like this, but I am a health nut ok. Cancer is not a> prevalent problem for us, but tumors are, and cancer is tumors.>> SUGAR AND CANCER>> It puzzles me why the simple concept "sugar feeds> cancer" can be so> dramatically> overlooked as part of a comprehensive cancer treatment> plan.>> Of the 4 million cancer patients being treated in> America today, hardly any> are> offered any scientifically guided nutrition therapy> beyond being told to> "just> eat good foods." Most patients I work with arrive with> a complete lack of> nutritional> advice. I believe many cancer patients would have a> major improvement in> their> outcome if they controlled the supply of cancer's> preferred fuel, glucose.> By> slowing the cancer's growth, patients allow their immune> systems and medical> debulking therapies--chemotherapy, radiation and surgery> to reduce the bulk> of> the tumor mass--to catch up to the disease. Controlling> one's blood-glucose> levels through diet, supplements, exercise, meditation> and prescription> drugs> when necessary can be one of the most crucial components> to a cancer> recovery> program. The sound bite--sugar feeds cancer--is simple.> The explanation is> a little more complex.>> The 1931 Nobel laureate in medicine, German Otto> Warburg, Ph.D., first> discovered> that cancer> cells have a fundamentally different energy metabolism> compared to healthy> cells.> The crux of his Nobel thesis was that malignant tumors> frequently exhibit> an> increase in anaerobic glycolysis - - a process whereby> glucose is used as a> fuel> by cancer cells with lactic acid as an anaerobic> byproduct - - compared to> normal> tissues.>> The large amount of lactic acid produced by this> fermentation of glucose> from> cancer cells is then transported to the liver. This> conversion of glucose to> lactate generates a lower, more acidic pH in cancerous> tissues as well as> overall> physical fatigue from lactic acid buildup. Thus, larger> tumors tend to> exhibit> a more acidic pH.4>> This inefficient pathway for energy metabolism yields> only 2 moles of> adenosine> triphosphate (ATP) energy per mole of glucose, compared> to 38 moles of ATP> in> the complete aerobic oxidation of glucose. By extracting> only about 5> percent> (2 vs. 38 moles of ATP) of the available energy in the> food supply and the> body's> calorie stores, the cancer is "wasting" energy, and the> patient becomes> tired> and undernourished. This vicious cycle increases body> wasting.>> It is one reason why 40 percent of cancer patients die> from malnutrition, or> cachexia. Hence, cancer therapies should encompass> regulating blood-glucose> levels via diet, supplements, non-oral solutions for> cachectic patients who> lose> their appetite, medication, exercise, gradual weight> loss and stress> reduction.> Professional guidance and patient self-discipline are> crucial at this point> in the cancer process. The quest is not to eliminate> sugars or> carbohydrates> from the diet but rather to control blood glucose within> a narrow range to> help> starve the cancer and bolster immune function.>> The glycemic index is a measure of how a given food> affects blood-glucose> levels,> with each food assigned a numbered rating. The lower> the rating, the slower> the digestion and absorption process, which provides a> healthier, more> gradual> infusion of sugars into the bloodstream. Conversely, a> high rating means> blood-glucose> levels are increased quickly, which stimulates the> pancreas to secrete> insulin> to drop blood-sugar levels. This rapid fluctuation of> blood-sugar levels is> unhealthy because of the stress it places on the body>> Sugar in the Body and Diet>> Sugar is a generic term used to identify simple> carbohydrates, which> includes> monosaccharides such as fructose, glucose and galactose;> and disaccharides> such> as maltose and sucrose (white table sugar). Think of> these sugars as> different-shaped> bricks in a wall. When fructose is the primary> monosaccharide brick in the> wall,> the glycemic index registers as healthier, since this> simple sugar is slowly> absorbed in the gut, then converted to glucose in the> liver. This makes for> "time-release foods," which offer a more gradual rise> and fall in> blood-glucose> levels. If glucose is the primary monosaccharide brick> in the wall, the> glycemic> index will be higher and less healthy for the> individual. As the brick wall> is torn apart in digestion, the glucose is pumped across> the intestinal wall> directly into the bloodstream, rapidly raising> blood-glucose levels. In> other> words, there is a "window of efficacy" for glucose in> the blood: levels too> low> make one feel lethargic and can create clinical> hypoglycemia; levels too> high> start creating the rippling effect of diabetic health> problems.>> The 1997 American Diabetes Association blood-glucose> standards consider 126> mg> glucose/dL blood or greater to be diabetic; 111­125> mg/dL is impaired> glucose> tolerance and less than 110 mg/dL is considered normal.> Meanwhile, the> Paleolithic> diet of our ancestors, which consisted of lean meats,> vegetables and small> amounts> of whole grains, nuts, seeds and fruits, is estimated to> have generated> blood> glucose levels between 60 and 90 mg/dL.>> Obviously, today's high-sugar diets are having unhealthy> effects as far as> blood-sugar> is concerned. Excess blood glucose may initiate yeast> overgrowth, blood> vessel> deterioration, heart disease and other health> conditions.>> Understanding and using the glycemic index is an> important aspect of diet> modification> for cancer patients. However, there is also evidence> that sugars may feed> cancer> more efficiently than starches (comprised of long chains> of simple sugars),> making> the index slightly misleading. A study of rats fed> diets with equal> calories> from sugars and starches, for example, found the animals> on the high-sugar> diet> developed more cases of breast cancer.>> The glycemic index is a useful tool in guiding the> cancer patient toward a> healthier> diet, but it is not infallible. By using the glycemic> index alone, one> could> be led to thinking a cup of white sugar is healthier> than a baked potato.> This> is because the glycemic index rating of a sugary food> may be lower than that> of a starchy food. To be safe, I recommend less fruit,> more vegetables, and> little to no refined sugars in the diet of cancer> patients.>> What the Literature Says>> A mouse model of human breast cancer demonstrated that> tumors are sensitive> to> blood-glucose levels. Sixty-eight mice were injected> with an aggressive> strain> of breast cancer, then fed diets to induce either high> blood-sugar> (hyperglycemia),> normoglycemia or low blood-sugar> (hypoglycemia). There was a dose-dependent response in> which the lower the> blood> glucose, the greater the survival rate. After 70 days, 8> of 24 hyperglycemic> mice survived compared to 16 of 24 normoglycemic and 19> of 20 hypoglycemic.>> This suggests that regulating sugar intake is key to> slowing breast tumor> growth.>> In a human study, 10 healthy people were assessed for> fasting blood-glucose> levels> and the phagocytic index of neutrophils, which measures> immune-cell ability> to> envelop and destroy invaders such as cancer. Eating 100> g carbohydrates from> glucose, sucrose, honey and orange> juice all significantly decreased the capacity of> neutrophils to engulf> bacteria.> Starch did not have this effect.>> A four-year study at the National Institute of Public> Health and> Environmental> Protection in the Netherlands compared 111 biliary tract> cancer patients> with> 480 controls. Cancer risk associated with the intake of> sugars, independent> of other energy sources, more than doubled for the> cancer patients.>> Furthermore, an epidemiological study in 21 modern> countries that keep track> of morbidity and mortality (Europe, North America, Japan> and others)> revealed> that sugar intake is a strong risk factor that> contributes to higher breast> cancer> rates, particularly in older women.>> Limiting sugar consumption may not be the only line of> defense. In fact, an> interesting> botanical extract from the avocado plant (Persea> americana) is showing> promise> as a new cancer adjunct. When a purified avocado> extract called> mannoheptulose> was added to a number of tumor cell lines tested in> vitro by researchers in> the> Department of Biochemistry at Oxford University in> Britain, they found it> inhibited> tumor cell glucose uptake by 25 to 75 percent, and it> inhibited the enzyme> glucokinase> responsible for glycolysis. It also inhibited the> growth rate of the> cultured> tumor cell lines. The same researchers gave lab animals> a 1.7 mg/g body> weight> dose of mannoheptulose for five days; it reduced tumors> by 65 to 79 percent.> Based on these studies, there is good reason to believe> that avocado> extract> could help cancer patients by limiting glucose to the> tumor cells.>> Since cancer cells derive most of their energy from> anaerobic glycolysis,> ph> Gold, M.D., director of the Syracuse (N.Y.) Cancer> Research Institute and> former> U.S. Air Force research physician, surmised that a> chemical called hydrazine> sulfate, used in rocket fuel, could inhibit the> excessive gluconeogenesis> (making> sugar from amino acids) that occurs in cachectic cancer> patients. Gold's> work> demonstrated hydrazine sulfate's ability to slow and> reverse cachexia in> advanced> cancer patients. A placebo-controlled trial followed> 101 cancer patients> taking> either 6 mg hydrazine sulfate three times/day or> placebo. After one month,> 83> percent of hydrazine sulfate patients increased their> weight, compared to 53> percent on placebo.15 A similar study by the same> principal researchers,> partly> funded by the National Cancer Institute in Bethesda,> Md., followed 65> patients.> Those who took hydrazine sulfate and were in good> physical condition before> the> study began lived an average of 17 weeks longer.>> The medical establishment may be missing the connection> between sugar and> its> role in tumorigenesis. Consider the million-dollar> positive emission> tomography> device, or PET scan, regarded as one of the ultimate> cancer-detection tools.> PET scans use radioactively labeled glucose to detect> sugar-hungry tumor> cells.> PET scans are used to plot the progress of cancer> patients and to assess> whether> present protocols are effective.18>> In Europe, the "sugar feeds cancer" concept is so well> accepted that> oncologists,> or cancer doctors, use the Systemic Cancer Multistep> Therapy (SCMT)> protocol.> Conceived by Manfred von Ardenne in Germany in 1965,> SCMT entails injecting> patients> with glucose to increase blood-glucose concentrations.> This lowers pH values> in cancer tissues via lactic acid formation. In turn,> this intensifies the> thermal> sensitivity of the malignant tumors and also induces> rapid growth of the> cancer.> Patients are then given whole-body hyperthermia (42 C> core temperature) to> further> stress the cancer cells, followed by chemotherapy or> radiation.19 SCMT was> tested> on 103 patients with metastasized cancer or recurrent> primary tumors in a> clinical> phase-I study at the Von Ardenne Institute of Applied> Medical Research in> Dresden,> Germany. Five-year survival rates in SCMT-treated> patients increased by 25> to> 50 percent, and the complete rate of tumor regression> increased by 30 to 50> percent.>> The protocol induces rapid growth of the cancer, then> treats the tumor with> toxic> therapies for a dramatic improvement in outcome.>> The irrefutable role of glucose in the growth and> metastasis of cancer cells> can enhance many therapies. Some of these include diets> designed with the> glycemic> index in mind to regulate increases in blood glucose,> hence selectively> starving> the cancer cells; low-glucose TPN solutions; avocado> extract to inhibit> glucose> uptake in cancer cells; hydrazine sulfate to inhibit> gluconeogenesis in> cancer> cells; and SCMT.>> A female patient in her 50s, with lung cancer, came to> our clinic, having> been> given a death sentence by her Florida oncologist. She> was cooperative and> understood> the connection between nutrition and cancer. She> changed her diet> considerably,> leaving out 90 percent of the sugar she used to eat.> She found that wheat> bread> and oat cereal now had their own wild sweetness, even> without added sugar.> With> appropriately restrained medical therapy--including> high-dose radiation> targeted> to tumor sites and fractionated chemotherapy, a> technique that distributes> the> normal one large weekly chemo dose into a 60-hour> infusion lasting days--a> good> attitude and an optimal nutrition program which included> Sam's formula nine> times/day,> she beat her terminal lung cancer. I saw her last> month, five years later> and> still disease-free, probably looking better than the> doctor who told her> there> was no hope.> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>>>

[Guest guest]

I"m just telling you what it says below in the aritcle. Personally, I haven't noticed any tumor growth because I eat sugar or metabolize a lot of it (and when I say sugar, I'm talking about breads, starches, long chain carbohydrates). Believe what you want. I do agree that too much sugar makes you feel like garbage, creates havoc for you insulin levels or whatever, but you'll have a hard time proving to me that sugar causes tumors! Especially with NF2! Give me a break, CinnyD!

I think you are wrong Greg! i'M KIDDING, YOU KNOW i'M KIDDING YOU GREGGY, yuare one of my best friends! I know nf2 is genetic, but I will go to my gravebelieving refined foods, especially sugar IS bad news for tumors and healthin general. There is also a large segment of society who believe cows milkis very bad for humans (I am highly lactose intolerant, have not touchedmilk in 2 yrs and feel a lot better), and the store bought bread is not thehealthiest way to get grains, just look at the ingriedients. Im out of thistopic now becuz i HAVE NO DESIRE TO CONVERT ANYONE (ack caps sorry) Its justkeeping my body in as good condition as possible is my latst assault on nf2.But as I was saying to a friend here, if you notice, a lot of people diefrom nf2 becuz of pnemonia. I am making every e effot to have a strongimmune system so when these tumors do need removed I will be healthy enoughto heal.- Re: sugar feeds cancerI don't think sugar is a determinant when it comes to NF2, bc I don't thinksugar plays a role in the mutation of the NF2 gene. It's within thegenetics of that person, which causes NF2, just like it's possible that somepeople are more prone to cancer than others. It's genetics. It affects 1in 40,000 births, something like that, and with Asians, perhaps theirculture is not as susceptible to the mutation of the NF2 gene and that wouldbe a reason why Asians, perhaps, would not have the same rate of NF2 intheir births as Europeans. Also, I'm not sure, but the theory below makesit sound like exercise is bad for you. It says that malignant tumorssomehow thrive off glycolosis, which increases as your metabolism speeds up.Glycolosis, produces higher acidic levels, which in turn produce largertumors. That what is says for cancer tumors.You can dump table sugar fromyou diet, but you can't drop other sugars like breads, rice, fruit, andgrains. Those are important to you health. Right? Well, this is my take onthe sugar debate. What do ya think?Greg !Interesting thought would be ' what's NF2 statistics per head of populationin countries like japan where sugar is not as prevalent as in USA or OZ ?Interested but not wanting to do without fruit Marcus> I know you won't like this, but I am a health nut ok. Cancer is not a> prevalent problem for us, but tumors are, and cancer is tumors.>> SUGAR AND CANCER>> It puzzles me why the simple concept "sugar feeds> cancer" can be so> dramatically> overlooked as part of a comprehensive cancer treatment> plan.>> Of the 4 million cancer patients being treated in> America today, hardly any> are> offered any scientifically guided nutrition therapy> beyond being told to> "just> eat good foods." Most patients I work with arrive with> a complete lack of> nutritional> advice. I believe many cancer patients would have a> major improvement in> their> outcome if they controlled the supply of cancer's> preferred fuel, glucose.> By> slowing the cancer's growth, patients allow their immune> systems and medical> debulking therapies--chemotherapy, radiation and surgery> to reduce the bulk> of> the tumor mass--to catch up to the disease. Controlling> one's blood-glucose> levels through diet, supplements, exercise, meditation> and prescription> drugs> when necessary can be one of the most crucial components> to a cancer> recovery> program. The sound bite--sugar feeds cancer--is simple.> The explanation is> a little more complex.>> The 1931 Nobel laureate in medicine, German Otto> Warburg, Ph.D., first> discovered> that cancer> cells have a fundamentally different energy metabolism> compared to healthy> cells.> The crux of his Nobel thesis was that malignant tumors> frequently exhibit> an> increase in anaerobic glycolysis - - a process whereby> glucose is used as a> fuel> by cancer cells with lactic acid as an anaerobic> byproduct - - compared to> normal> tissues.>> The large amount of lactic acid produced by this> fermentation of glucose> from> cancer cells is then transported to the liver. This> conversion of glucose to> lactate generates a lower, more acidic pH in cancerous> tissues as well as> overall> physical fatigue from lactic acid buildup. Thus, larger> tumors tend to> exhibit> a more acidic pH.4>> This inefficient pathway for energy metabolism yields> only 2 moles of> adenosine> triphosphate (ATP) energy per mole of glucose, compared> to 38 moles of ATP> in> the complete aerobic oxidation of glucose. By extracting> only about 5> percent> (2 vs. 38 moles of ATP) of the available energy in the> food supply and the> body's> calorie stores, the cancer is "wasting" energy, and the> patient becomes> tired> and undernourished. This vicious cycle increases body> wasting.>> It is one reason why 40 percent of cancer patients die> from malnutrition, or> cachexia. Hence, cancer therapies should encompass> regulating blood-glucose> levels via diet, supplements, non-oral solutions for> cachectic patients who> lose> their appetite, medication, exercise, gradual weight> loss and stress> reduction.> Professional guidance and patient self-discipline are> crucial at this point> in the cancer process. The quest is not to eliminate> sugars or> carbohydrates> from the diet but rather to control blood glucose within> a narrow range to> help> starve the cancer and bolster immune function.>> The glycemic index is a measure of how a given food> affects blood-glucose> levels,> with each food assigned a numbered rating. The lower> the rating, the slower> the digestion and absorption process, which provides a> healthier, more> gradual> infusion of sugars into the bloodstream. Conversely, a> high rating means> blood-glucose> levels are increased quickly, which stimulates the> pancreas to secrete> insulin> to drop blood-sugar levels. This rapid fluctuation of> blood-sugar levels is> unhealthy because of the stress it places on the body>> Sugar in the Body and Diet>> Sugar is a generic term used to identify simple> carbohydrates, which> includes> monosaccharides such as fructose, glucose and galactose;> and disaccharides> such> as maltose and sucrose (white table sugar). Think of> these sugars as> different-shaped> bricks in a wall. When fructose is the primary> monosaccharide brick in the> wall,> the glycemic index registers as healthier, since this> simple sugar is slowly> absorbed in the gut, then converted to glucose in the> liver. This makes for> "time-release foods," which offer a more gradual rise> and fall in> blood-glucose> levels. If glucose is the primary monosaccharide brick> in the wall, the> glycemic> index will be higher and less healthy for the> individual. As the brick wall> is torn apart in digestion, the glucose is pumped across> the intestinal wall> directly into the bloodstream, rapidly raising> blood-glucose levels. In> other> words, there is a "window of efficacy" for glucose in> the blood: levels too> low> make one feel lethargic and can create clinical> hypoglycemia; levels too> high> start creating the rippling effect of diabetic health> problems.>> The 1997 American Diabetes Association blood-glucose> standards consider 126> mg> glucose/dL blood or greater to be diabetic; 111­125> mg/dL is impaired> glucose> tolerance and less than 110 mg/dL is considered normal.> Meanwhile, the> Paleolithic> diet of our ancestors, which consisted of lean meats,> vegetables and small> amounts> of whole grains, nuts, seeds and fruits, is estimated to> have generated> blood> glucose levels between 60 and 90 mg/dL.>> Obviously, today's high-sugar diets are having unhealthy> effects as far as> blood-sugar> is concerned. Excess blood glucose may initiate yeast> overgrowth, blood> vessel> deterioration, heart disease and other health> conditions.>> Understanding and using the glycemic index is an> important aspect of diet> modification> for cancer patients. However, there is also evidence> that sugars may feed> cancer> more efficiently than starches (comprised of long chains> of simple sugars),> making> the index slightly misleading. A study of rats fed> diets with equal> calories> from sugars and starches, for example, found the animals> on the high-sugar> diet> developed more cases of breast cancer.>> The glycemic index is a useful tool in guiding the> cancer patient toward a> healthier> diet, but it is not infallible. By using the glycemic> index alone, one> could> be led to thinking a cup of white sugar is healthier> than a baked potato.> This> is because the glycemic index rating of a sugary food> may be lower than that> of a starchy food. To be safe, I recommend less fruit,> more vegetables, and> little to no refined sugars in the diet of cancer> patients.>> What the Literature Says>> A mouse model of human breast cancer demonstrated that> tumors are sensitive> to> blood-glucose levels. Sixty-eight mice were injected> with an aggressive> strain> of breast cancer, then fed diets to induce either high> blood-sugar> (hyperglycemia),> normoglycemia or low blood-sugar> (hypoglycemia). There was a dose-dependent response in> which the lower the> blood> glucose, the greater the survival rate. After 70 days, 8> of 24 hyperglycemic> mice survived compared to 16 of 24 normoglycemic and 19> of 20 hypoglycemic.>> This suggests that regulating sugar intake is key to> slowing breast tumor> growth.>> In a human study, 10 healthy people were assessed for> fasting blood-glucose> levels> and the phagocytic index of neutrophils, which measures> immune-cell ability> to> envelop and destroy invaders such as cancer. Eating 100> g carbohydrates from> glucose, sucrose, honey and orange> juice all significantly decreased the capacity of> neutrophils to engulf> bacteria.> Starch did not have this effect.>> A four-year study at the National Institute of Public> Health and> Environmental> Protection in the Netherlands compared 111 biliary tract> cancer patients> with> 480 controls. Cancer risk associated with the intake of> sugars, independent> of other energy sources, more than doubled for the> cancer patients.>> Furthermore, an epidemiological study in 21 modern> countries that keep track> of morbidity and mortality (Europe, North America, Japan> and others)> revealed> that sugar intake is a strong risk factor that> contributes to higher breast> cancer> rates, particularly in older women.>> Limiting sugar consumption may not be the only line of> defense. In fact, an> interesting> botanical extract from the avocado plant (Persea> americana) is showing> promise> as a new cancer adjunct. When a purified avocado> extract called> mannoheptulose> was added to a number of tumor cell lines tested in> vitro by researchers in> the> Department of Biochemistry at Oxford University in> Britain, they found it> inhibited> tumor cell glucose uptake by 25 to 75 percent, and it> inhibited the enzyme> glucokinase> responsible for glycolysis. It also inhibited the> growth rate of the> cultured> tumor cell lines. The same researchers gave lab animals> a 1.7 mg/g body> weight> dose of mannoheptulose for five days; it reduced tumors> by 65 to 79 percent.> Based on these studies, there is good reason to believe> that avocado> extract> could help cancer patients by limiting glucose to the> tumor cells.>> Since cancer cells derive most of their energy from> anaerobic glycolysis,> ph> Gold, M.D., director of the Syracuse (N.Y.) Cancer> Research Institute and> former> U.S. Air Force research physician, surmised that a> chemical called hydrazine> sulfate, used in rocket fuel, could inhibit the> excessive gluconeogenesis> (making> sugar from amino acids) that occurs in cachectic cancer> patients. Gold's> work> demonstrated hydrazine sulfate's ability to slow and> reverse cachexia in> advanced> cancer patients. A placebo-controlled trial followed> 101 cancer patients> taking> either 6 mg hydrazine sulfate three times/day or> placebo. After one month,> 83> percent of hydrazine sulfate patients increased their> weight, compared to 53> percent on placebo.15 A similar study by the same> principal researchers,> partly> funded by the National Cancer Institute in Bethesda,> Md., followed 65> patients.> Those who took hydrazine sulfate and were in good> physical condition before> the> study began lived an average of 17 weeks longer.>> The medical establishment may be missing the connection> between sugar and> its> role in tumorigenesis. Consider the million-dollar> positive emission> tomography> device, or PET scan, regarded as one of the ultimate> cancer-detection tools.> PET scans use radioactively labeled glucose to detect> sugar-hungry tumor> cells.> PET scans are used to plot the progress of cancer> patients and to assess> whether> present protocols are effective.18>> In Europe, the "sugar feeds cancer" concept is so well> accepted that> oncologists,> or cancer doctors, use the Systemic Cancer Multistep> Therapy (SCMT)> protocol.> Conceived by Manfred von Ardenne in Germany in 1965,> SCMT entails injecting> patients> with glucose to increase blood-glucose concentrations.> This lowers pH values> in cancer tissues via lactic acid formation. In turn,> this intensifies the> thermal> sensitivity of the malignant tumors and also induces> rapid growth of the> cancer.> Patients are then given whole-body hyperthermia (42 C> core temperature) to> further> stress the cancer cells, followed by chemotherapy or> radiation.19 SCMT was> tested> on 103 patients with metastasized cancer or recurrent> primary tumors in a> clinical> phase-I study at the Von Ardenne Institute of Applied> Medical Research in> Dresden,> Germany. Five-year survival rates in SCMT-treated> patients increased by 25> to> 50 percent, and the complete rate of tumor regression> increased by 30 to 50> percent.>> The protocol induces rapid growth of the cancer, then> treats the tumor with> toxic> therapies for a dramatic improvement in outcome.>> The irrefutable role of glucose in the growth and> metastasis of cancer cells> can enhance many therapies. Some of these include diets> designed with the> glycemic> index in mind to regulate increases in blood glucose,> hence selectively> starving> the cancer cells; low-glucose TPN solutions; avocado> extract to inhibit> glucose> uptake in cancer cells; hydrazine sulfate to inhibit> gluconeogenesis in> cancer> cells; and SCMT.>> A female patient in her 50s, with lung cancer, came to> our clinic, having> been> given a death sentence by her Florida oncologist. She> was cooperative and> understood> the connection between nutrition and cancer. She> changed her diet> considerably,> leaving out 90 percent of the sugar she used to eat.> She found that wheat> bread> and oat cereal now had their own wild sweetness, even> without added sugar.> With> appropriately restrained medical therapy--including> high-dose radiation> targeted> to tumor sites and fractionated chemotherapy, a> technique that distributes> the> normal one large weekly chemo dose into a 60-hour> infusion lasting days--a> good> attitude and an optimal nutrition program which included> Sam's formula nine> times/day,> she beat her terminal lung cancer. I saw her last> month, five years later> and> still disease-free, probably looking better than the> doctor who told her> there> was no hope.> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>>>

[Guest guest]

Caren

GOOD STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of raw vegetables cauliflower, radishes,

lettuce celery. green peppers, eggs, meat all kinds, cheese,

mushrooms......................... most vegetables unless it is a root

vegetable like carrots. parsnips, potatoes as these are LOADED with

sugar. I eat very well and I eat LOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BREAD AND CEREALS ARE TABOO!!!!!!! I do eat a bagel a day. I use to be a

bread junkie!!!!!!!!!!

Don't get me wrong I do have the odd thing once in a while but I sure pay

for it later!!!!! I have found out I can eat Pumpkin pie till the cows

come home!!!!! (anytime and late at night) MMmmmmmmmmmmm!!

Sorry Jeff........ all mine!!!!!!!!

Marnie

At 06:04 PM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote:

>marnie, what does your daily diet consist of??

>

>curious caren

>

[Guest guest]

Caren

GOOD STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of raw vegetables cauliflower, radishes,

lettuce celery. green peppers, eggs, meat all kinds, cheese,

mushrooms......................... most vegetables unless it is a root

vegetable like carrots. parsnips, potatoes as these are LOADED with

sugar. I eat very well and I eat LOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BREAD AND CEREALS ARE TABOO!!!!!!! I do eat a bagel a day. I use to be a

bread junkie!!!!!!!!!!

Don't get me wrong I do have the odd thing once in a while but I sure pay

for it later!!!!! I have found out I can eat Pumpkin pie till the cows

come home!!!!! (anytime and late at night) MMmmmmmmmmmmm!!

Sorry Jeff........ all mine!!!!!!!!

Marnie

At 06:04 PM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote:

>marnie, what does your daily diet consist of??

>

>curious caren

>

[Guest guest]

Caren

GOOD STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of raw vegetables cauliflower, radishes,

lettuce celery. green peppers, eggs, meat all kinds, cheese,

mushrooms......................... most vegetables unless it is a root

vegetable like carrots. parsnips, potatoes as these are LOADED with

sugar. I eat very well and I eat LOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BREAD AND CEREALS ARE TABOO!!!!!!! I do eat a bagel a day. I use to be a

bread junkie!!!!!!!!!!

Don't get me wrong I do have the odd thing once in a while but I sure pay

for it later!!!!! I have found out I can eat Pumpkin pie till the cows

come home!!!!! (anytime and late at night) MMmmmmmmmmmmm!!

Sorry Jeff........ all mine!!!!!!!!

Marnie

At 06:04 PM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote:

>marnie, what does your daily diet consist of??

>

>curious caren

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry Jimmy but rice is also LOADED WITH SUGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

O K Folk that's it from me on this subject!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Over and out from..........................

The Nagging Chip

Marnie

At 06:19 AM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote:

>rice cakes and water.Sorry marnie I couldn't resist

>Jimmy(sugaraholic)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry Jimmy but rice is also LOADED WITH SUGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

O K Folk that's it from me on this subject!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Over and out from..........................

The Nagging Chip

Marnie

At 06:19 AM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote:

>rice cakes and water.Sorry marnie I couldn't resist

>Jimmy(sugaraholic)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry Jimmy but rice is also LOADED WITH SUGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

O K Folk that's it from me on this subject!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Over and out from..........................

The Nagging Chip

Marnie

At 06:19 AM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote:

>rice cakes and water.Sorry marnie I couldn't resist

>Jimmy(sugaraholic)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes Jeff the substitutes do as well so I think (and this is just me) its

the insulin kick in that does me in!!!!

They do not fool your body so the insulin still kicks in. May help to

reduce your calorie intake but if you are going to eat sugar have the real

thing !!!!!!! One last thing there is more sugar in a hand full of grapes

than there is in a Chocolate bar!!!!!!!!!!! SURPRISE

At 09:18 PM 9/25/00 -0500, you wrote:

>Marnie

>What about sugar substitutes, stuff like Equal or nutri sweet, do they

>bother you too?

>

>Jeff

>

>

> Re: sugar feeds cancer

>

>

>Caren

>GOOD STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of raw vegetables cauliflower, radishes,

>lettuce celery. green peppers, eggs, meat all kinds, cheese,

>mushrooms......................... most vegetables unless it is a root

>vegetable like carrots. parsnips, potatoes as these are LOADED with

>sugar. I eat very well and I eat LOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>BREAD AND CEREALS ARE TABOO!!!!!!! I do eat a bagel a day. I use to be a

>bread junkie!!!!!!!!!!

>Don't get me wrong I do have the odd thing once in a while but I sure pay

>for it later!!!!! I have found out I can eat Pumpkin pie till the cows

>come home!!!!! (anytime and late at night) MMmmmmmmmmmmm!!

>Sorry Jeff........ all mine!!!!!!!!

>Marnie

>

>At 06:04 PM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote:

> >marnie, what does your daily diet consist of??

> >

> >curious caren

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes Jeff the substitutes do as well so I think (and this is just me) its

the insulin kick in that does me in!!!!

They do not fool your body so the insulin still kicks in. May help to

reduce your calorie intake but if you are going to eat sugar have the real

thing !!!!!!! One last thing there is more sugar in a hand full of grapes

than there is in a Chocolate bar!!!!!!!!!!! SURPRISE

At 09:18 PM 9/25/00 -0500, you wrote:

>Marnie

>What about sugar substitutes, stuff like Equal or nutri sweet, do they

>bother you too?

>

>Jeff

>

>

> Re: sugar feeds cancer

>

>

>Caren

>GOOD STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of raw vegetables cauliflower, radishes,

>lettuce celery. green peppers, eggs, meat all kinds, cheese,

>mushrooms......................... most vegetables unless it is a root

>vegetable like carrots. parsnips, potatoes as these are LOADED with

>sugar. I eat very well and I eat LOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>BREAD AND CEREALS ARE TABOO!!!!!!! I do eat a bagel a day. I use to be a

>bread junkie!!!!!!!!!!

>Don't get me wrong I do have the odd thing once in a while but I sure pay

>for it later!!!!! I have found out I can eat Pumpkin pie till the cows

>come home!!!!! (anytime and late at night) MMmmmmmmmmmmm!!

>Sorry Jeff........ all mine!!!!!!!!

>Marnie

>

>At 06:04 PM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote:

> >marnie, what does your daily diet consist of??

> >

> >curious caren

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes Jeff the substitutes do as well so I think (and this is just me) its

the insulin kick in that does me in!!!!

They do not fool your body so the insulin still kicks in. May help to

reduce your calorie intake but if you are going to eat sugar have the real

thing !!!!!!! One last thing there is more sugar in a hand full of grapes

than there is in a Chocolate bar!!!!!!!!!!! SURPRISE

At 09:18 PM 9/25/00 -0500, you wrote:

>Marnie

>What about sugar substitutes, stuff like Equal or nutri sweet, do they

>bother you too?

>

>Jeff

>

>

> Re: sugar feeds cancer

>

>

>Caren

>GOOD STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of raw vegetables cauliflower, radishes,

>lettuce celery. green peppers, eggs, meat all kinds, cheese,

>mushrooms......................... most vegetables unless it is a root

>vegetable like carrots. parsnips, potatoes as these are LOADED with

>sugar. I eat very well and I eat LOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>BREAD AND CEREALS ARE TABOO!!!!!!! I do eat a bagel a day. I use to be a

>bread junkie!!!!!!!!!!

>Don't get me wrong I do have the odd thing once in a while but I sure pay

>for it later!!!!! I have found out I can eat Pumpkin pie till the cows

>come home!!!!! (anytime and late at night) MMmmmmmmmmmmm!!

>Sorry Jeff........ all mine!!!!!!!!

>Marnie

>

>At 06:04 PM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote:

> >marnie, what does your daily diet consist of??

> >

> >curious caren

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Caren, nothing beats pumpkin pie!!! Well...almost nothing, but it is superb and gee, guess what, it's almost time for the official pumpkin pie season to begin!!! But who needs it to be official pumpkin pie season to enjoy it! (smiles) Actually, I like to whipped up a batch of Libby's and just pour it into custard cups and bake without using a pie crust. Give me some fresh apple cider to wash it down with and I'm in heaven!! (smile)

Greg

CarenGOOD STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of raw vegetables cauliflower, radishes, lettuce celery. green peppers, eggs, meat all kinds, cheese, mushrooms......................... most vegetables unless it is a root vegetable like carrots. parsnips, potatoes as these are LOADED with sugar. I eat very well and I eat LOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BREAD AND CEREALS ARE TABOO!!!!!!! I do eat a bagel a day. I use to be a bread junkie!!!!!!!!!!Don't get me wrong I do have the odd thing once in a while but I sure pay for it later!!!!! I have found out I can eat Pumpkin pie till the cows come home!!!!! (anytime and late at night) MMmmmmmmmmmmm!!Sorry Jeff........ all mine!!!!!!!!MarnieAt 06:04 PM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote:>marnie, what does your daily diet consist of??>>curious caren>

[Guest guest]

Caren, nothing beats pumpkin pie!!! Well...almost nothing, but it is superb and gee, guess what, it's almost time for the official pumpkin pie season to begin!!! But who needs it to be official pumpkin pie season to enjoy it! (smiles) Actually, I like to whipped up a batch of Libby's and just pour it into custard cups and bake without using a pie crust. Give me some fresh apple cider to wash it down with and I'm in heaven!! (smile)

Greg

CarenGOOD STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of raw vegetables cauliflower, radishes, lettuce celery. green peppers, eggs, meat all kinds, cheese, mushrooms......................... most vegetables unless it is a root vegetable like carrots. parsnips, potatoes as these are LOADED with sugar. I eat very well and I eat LOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BREAD AND CEREALS ARE TABOO!!!!!!! I do eat a bagel a day. I use to be a bread junkie!!!!!!!!!!Don't get me wrong I do have the odd thing once in a while but I sure pay for it later!!!!! I have found out I can eat Pumpkin pie till the cows come home!!!!! (anytime and late at night) MMmmmmmmmmmmm!!Sorry Jeff........ all mine!!!!!!!!MarnieAt 06:04 PM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote:>marnie, what does your daily diet consist of??>>curious caren>

[Guest guest]

Caren, nothing beats pumpkin pie!!! Well...almost nothing, but it is superb and gee, guess what, it's almost time for the official pumpkin pie season to begin!!! But who needs it to be official pumpkin pie season to enjoy it! (smiles) Actually, I like to whipped up a batch of Libby's and just pour it into custard cups and bake without using a pie crust. Give me some fresh apple cider to wash it down with and I'm in heaven!! (smile)

Greg

CarenGOOD STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of raw vegetables cauliflower, radishes, lettuce celery. green peppers, eggs, meat all kinds, cheese, mushrooms......................... most vegetables unless it is a root vegetable like carrots. parsnips, potatoes as these are LOADED with sugar. I eat very well and I eat LOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BREAD AND CEREALS ARE TABOO!!!!!!! I do eat a bagel a day. I use to be a bread junkie!!!!!!!!!!Don't get me wrong I do have the odd thing once in a while but I sure pay for it later!!!!! I have found out I can eat Pumpkin pie till the cows come home!!!!! (anytime and late at night) MMmmmmmmmmmmm!!Sorry Jeff........ all mine!!!!!!!!MarnieAt 06:04 PM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote:>marnie, what does your daily diet consist of??>>curious caren>

[Guest guest]

Marnie

What about sugar substitutes, stuff like Equal or nutri sweet, do they

bother you too?

Jeff

Re: sugar feeds cancer

Caren

GOOD STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of raw vegetables cauliflower, radishes,

lettuce celery. green peppers, eggs, meat all kinds, cheese,

mushrooms......................... most vegetables unless it is a root

vegetable like carrots. parsnips, potatoes as these are LOADED with

sugar. I eat very well and I eat LOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BREAD AND CEREALS ARE TABOO!!!!!!! I do eat a bagel a day. I use to be a

bread junkie!!!!!!!!!!

Don't get me wrong I do have the odd thing once in a while but I sure pay

for it later!!!!! I have found out I can eat Pumpkin pie till the cows

come home!!!!! (anytime and late at night) MMmmmmmmmmmmm!!

Sorry Jeff........ all mine!!!!!!!!

Marnie

At 06:04 PM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote:

>marnie, what does your daily diet consist of??

>

>curious caren

>

[Guest guest]

Marnie

What about sugar substitutes, stuff like Equal or nutri sweet, do they

bother you too?

Jeff

Re: sugar feeds cancer

Caren

GOOD STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of raw vegetables cauliflower, radishes,

lettuce celery. green peppers, eggs, meat all kinds, cheese,

mushrooms......................... most vegetables unless it is a root

vegetable like carrots. parsnips, potatoes as these are LOADED with

sugar. I eat very well and I eat LOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BREAD AND CEREALS ARE TABOO!!!!!!! I do eat a bagel a day. I use to be a

bread junkie!!!!!!!!!!

Don't get me wrong I do have the odd thing once in a while but I sure pay

for it later!!!!! I have found out I can eat Pumpkin pie till the cows

come home!!!!! (anytime and late at night) MMmmmmmmmmmmm!!

Sorry Jeff........ all mine!!!!!!!!

Marnie

At 06:04 PM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote:

>marnie, what does your daily diet consist of??

>

>curious caren

>

[Guest guest]

Marnie

What about sugar substitutes, stuff like Equal or nutri sweet, do they

bother you too?

Jeff

Re: sugar feeds cancer

Caren

GOOD STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of raw vegetables cauliflower, radishes,

lettuce celery. green peppers, eggs, meat all kinds, cheese,

mushrooms......................... most vegetables unless it is a root

vegetable like carrots. parsnips, potatoes as these are LOADED with

sugar. I eat very well and I eat LOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BREAD AND CEREALS ARE TABOO!!!!!!! I do eat a bagel a day. I use to be a

bread junkie!!!!!!!!!!

Don't get me wrong I do have the odd thing once in a while but I sure pay

for it later!!!!! I have found out I can eat Pumpkin pie till the cows

come home!!!!! (anytime and late at night) MMmmmmmmmmmmm!!

Sorry Jeff........ all mine!!!!!!!!

Marnie

At 06:04 PM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote:

>marnie, what does your daily diet consist of??

>

>curious caren

>

[Guest guest]

Where can I find this??????? greg

since your on the subject,i recommend pumpkin spice coffee,good stuff.

Jimmy

Re: sugar feeds cancer

Caren, nothing beats pumpkin pie!!! Well...almost nothing, but it is superb and gee, guess what, it's almost time for the official pumpkin pie season to begin!!! But who needs it to be official pumpkin pie season to enjoy it! (smiles) Actually, I like to whipped up a batch of Libby's and just pour it into custard cups and bake without using a pie crust. Give me some fresh apple cider to wash it down with and I'm in heaven!! (smile)

Greg

CarenGOOD STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of raw vegetables cauliflower, radishes, lettuce celery. green peppers, eggs, meat all kinds, cheese, mushrooms......................... most vegetables unless it is a root vegetable like carrots. parsnips, potatoes as these are LOADED with sugar. I eat very well and I eat LOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BREAD AND CEREALS ARE TABOO!!!!!!! I do eat a bagel a day. I use to be a bread junkie!!!!!!!!!!Don't get me wrong I do have the odd thing once in a while but I sure pay for it later!!!!! I have found out I can eat Pumpkin pie till the cows come home!!!!! (anytime and late at night) MMmmmmmmmmmmm!!Sorry Jeff........ all mine!!!!!!!!MarnieAt 06:04 PM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote:>marnie, what does your daily diet consist of??>>curious caren>

[Guest guest]

Where can I find this??????? greg

since your on the subject,i recommend pumpkin spice coffee,good stuff.

Jimmy

Re: sugar feeds cancer

Caren, nothing beats pumpkin pie!!! Well...almost nothing, but it is superb and gee, guess what, it's almost time for the official pumpkin pie season to begin!!! But who needs it to be official pumpkin pie season to enjoy it! (smiles) Actually, I like to whipped up a batch of Libby's and just pour it into custard cups and bake without using a pie crust. Give me some fresh apple cider to wash it down with and I'm in heaven!! (smile)

Greg

CarenGOOD STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of raw vegetables cauliflower, radishes, lettuce celery. green peppers, eggs, meat all kinds, cheese, mushrooms......................... most vegetables unless it is a root vegetable like carrots. parsnips, potatoes as these are LOADED with sugar. I eat very well and I eat LOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BREAD AND CEREALS ARE TABOO!!!!!!! I do eat a bagel a day. I use to be a bread junkie!!!!!!!!!!Don't get me wrong I do have the odd thing once in a while but I sure pay for it later!!!!! I have found out I can eat Pumpkin pie till the cows come home!!!!! (anytime and late at night) MMmmmmmmmmmmm!!Sorry Jeff........ all mine!!!!!!!!MarnieAt 06:04 PM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote:>marnie, what does your daily diet consist of??>>curious caren>

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Where can I find this??????? greg

since your on the subject,i recommend pumpkin spice coffee,good stuff.

Jimmy

Re: sugar feeds cancer

Caren, nothing beats pumpkin pie!!! Well...almost nothing, but it is superb and gee, guess what, it's almost time for the official pumpkin pie season to begin!!! But who needs it to be official pumpkin pie season to enjoy it! (smiles) Actually, I like to whipped up a batch of Libby's and just pour it into custard cups and bake without using a pie crust. Give me some fresh apple cider to wash it down with and I'm in heaven!! (smile)

Greg

CarenGOOD STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of raw vegetables cauliflower, radishes, lettuce celery. green peppers, eggs, meat all kinds, cheese, mushrooms......................... most vegetables unless it is a root vegetable like carrots. parsnips, potatoes as these are LOADED with sugar. I eat very well and I eat LOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BREAD AND CEREALS ARE TABOO!!!!!!! I do eat a bagel a day. I use to be a bread junkie!!!!!!!!!!Don't get me wrong I do have the odd thing once in a while but I sure pay for it later!!!!! I have found out I can eat Pumpkin pie till the cows come home!!!!! (anytime and late at night) MMmmmmmmmmmmm!!Sorry Jeff........ all mine!!!!!!!!MarnieAt 06:04 PM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote:>marnie, what does your daily diet consist of??>>curious caren>

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Well here in Pa I have seen it at the gas station type cappucino machines. Personally, I like Almond Amaretta better, but different strokes for different folks!

Marie

Re: sugar feeds cancer

Where can I find this??????? greg

since your on the subject,i recommend pumpkin spice coffee,good stuff.

Jimmy

Re: sugar feeds cancer

Caren, nothing beats pumpkin pie!!! Well...almost nothing, but it is superb and gee, guess what, it's almost time for the official pumpkin pie season to begin!!! But who needs it to be official pumpkin pie season to enjoy it! (smiles) Actually, I like to whipped up a batch of Libby's and just pour it into custard cups and bake without using a pie crust. Give me some fresh apple cider to wash it down with and I'm in heaven!! (smile)

Greg

CarenGOOD STUFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lots of raw vegetables cauliflower, radishes, lettuce celery. green peppers, eggs, meat all kinds, cheese, mushrooms......................... most vegetables unless it is a root vegetable like carrots. parsnips, potatoes as these are LOADED with sugar. I eat very well and I eat LOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BREAD AND CEREALS ARE TABOO!!!!!!! I do eat a bagel a day. I use to be a bread junkie!!!!!!!!!!Don't get me wrong I do have the odd thing once in a while but I sure pay for it later!!!!! I have found out I can eat Pumpkin pie till the cows come home!!!!! (anytime and late at night) MMmmmmmmmmmmm!!Sorry Jeff........ all mine!!!!!!!!MarnieAt 06:04 PM 9/25/00 -0400, you wrote:>marnie, what does your daily diet consist of??>>curious caren>