Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 In a message dated 12/17/01 9:36:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, maryl38230@... writes: > Now that I'm finished with the study : Thanks so much for sharing your story. At the end of the study, did the researchers tell you what would happen next with respect to making this drug available to the public? Did they know how close to the " end " of their research they were? Happy, healthy holidays to all. Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 In a message dated 12/17/01 9:36:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, maryl38230@... writes: > Now that I'm finished with the study : Thanks so much for sharing your story. At the end of the study, did the researchers tell you what would happen next with respect to making this drug available to the public? Did they know how close to the " end " of their research they were? Happy, healthy holidays to all. Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 In a message dated 12/17/2001 1:27:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, SiCanto@... writes: > : > > Thanks so much for sharing your story. At the end of the study, did the > researchers tell you what would happen next with respect to making this > drug > available to the public? Did they know how close to the " end " of their > research they were? > Happy, healthy holidays to all. > Cheryl > Hi Cheryl, You're welcome. I'm sorry, I don't know the exact future steps that mifepristone has to take before it's released for public use. I know that there will be more studies before that happens. Maybe someone else on this list knows in general what the steps are and how long the approval process is for medication? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 In a message dated 12/17/2001 1:27:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, SiCanto@... writes: > : > > Thanks so much for sharing your story. At the end of the study, did the > researchers tell you what would happen next with respect to making this > drug > available to the public? Did they know how close to the " end " of their > research they were? > Happy, healthy holidays to all. > Cheryl > Hi Cheryl, You're welcome. I'm sorry, I don't know the exact future steps that mifepristone has to take before it's released for public use. I know that there will be more studies before that happens. Maybe someone else on this list knows in general what the steps are and how long the approval process is for medication? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 In a message dated 12/17/2001 1:27:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, SiCanto@... writes: > : > > Thanks so much for sharing your story. At the end of the study, did the > researchers tell you what would happen next with respect to making this > drug > available to the public? Did they know how close to the " end " of their > research they were? > Happy, healthy holidays to all. > Cheryl > Hi Cheryl, You're welcome. I'm sorry, I don't know the exact future steps that mifepristone has to take before it's released for public use. I know that there will be more studies before that happens. Maybe someone else on this list knows in general what the steps are and how long the approval process is for medication? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 Cheryl- Yes I have read Dr.Northrup and was receiving her Newsletter.I found it hard to keep up with everything she was selling. I don't think anything in her regime will hurt but I don't think it helps most women.I do believe in body/mind connection and perhaps that hormonal balances are disrupted by stress and poor habits Best, Bonnie SiCanto@... wrote: > Bonnie: > > Northrup's approach is to use a combination of diet, vitamins/minerals, > exercise, castor oil packs and heat, sitz baths, body work(acupuncture, > shiatsu, etc.), directed journaling(being open to the " message " your fibroid > has for you and being willing to make the necessary changes in your life). > She claims that some women have had success with this, although she ended up > getting a myomectomy. I don't think she had to for health reasons, though. > I think she was just tired of looking like she was pregnant. > Cheryl > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 Well invasive is an interesting word.It usually means surgery I agree,but I don't see it that way necessarily.Anyway,I think you know what I mean and right now I don't even know what the point of this is-see menopause is " invading me " Bonnie Best maryl38230@... wrote: > In a message dated 12/17/2001 8:21:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, > malgretout@... writes: > > > Yes,well that's inverventional and it is not availbale and what are the long > > term effects etc,etc. > > Bonnie > > > > What would be noninterventional then? I assumed you meant something invasive, > such as surgery or UAE. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 Well invasive is an interesting word.It usually means surgery I agree,but I don't see it that way necessarily.Anyway,I think you know what I mean and right now I don't even know what the point of this is-see menopause is " invading me " Bonnie Best maryl38230@... wrote: > In a message dated 12/17/2001 8:21:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, > malgretout@... writes: > > > Yes,well that's inverventional and it is not availbale and what are the long > > term effects etc,etc. > > Bonnie > > > > What would be noninterventional then? I assumed you meant something invasive, > such as surgery or UAE. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 Well invasive is an interesting word.It usually means surgery I agree,but I don't see it that way necessarily.Anyway,I think you know what I mean and right now I don't even know what the point of this is-see menopause is " invading me " Bonnie Best maryl38230@... wrote: > In a message dated 12/17/2001 8:21:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, > malgretout@... writes: > > > Yes,well that's inverventional and it is not availbale and what are the long > > term effects etc,etc. > > Bonnie > > > > What would be noninterventional then? I assumed you meant something invasive, > such as surgery or UAE. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 I assume you are referring to Dr. Christiane Northrup. Her reason for having a myomectomy is irrelevant. Her method didn't work. That is what we should keep in mind. I am also angry that she persists in making statements such as " fibroids have messages " for us. She is a physician. She needs to spend time researching fibroids or advocating that others do so. Psycho babble clap trap is not doing us any good. My intention is not to attack you personally. I am just disappointed that this doctor with such a large following dispenses lousy advice. By the way, I hope that there are women getting results from alternative medicine. It is another avenue that needs to be rigorously researched. > Bonnie: > > Northrup's approach is to use a combination of diet, vitamins/minerals, > exercise, castor oil packs and heat, sitz baths, body work (acupuncture, > shiatsu, etc.), directed journaling(being open to the " message " your fibroid > has for you and being willing to make the necessary changes in your life). > She claims that some women have had success with this, although she ended up > getting a myomectomy. I don't think she had to for health reasons, though. > I think she was just tired of looking like she was pregnant. > Cheryl > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 I assume you are referring to Dr. Christiane Northrup. Her reason for having a myomectomy is irrelevant. Her method didn't work. That is what we should keep in mind. I am also angry that she persists in making statements such as " fibroids have messages " for us. She is a physician. She needs to spend time researching fibroids or advocating that others do so. Psycho babble clap trap is not doing us any good. My intention is not to attack you personally. I am just disappointed that this doctor with such a large following dispenses lousy advice. By the way, I hope that there are women getting results from alternative medicine. It is another avenue that needs to be rigorously researched. > Bonnie: > > Northrup's approach is to use a combination of diet, vitamins/minerals, > exercise, castor oil packs and heat, sitz baths, body work (acupuncture, > shiatsu, etc.), directed journaling(being open to the " message " your fibroid > has for you and being willing to make the necessary changes in your life). > She claims that some women have had success with this, although she ended up > getting a myomectomy. I don't think she had to for health reasons, though. > I think she was just tired of looking like she was pregnant. > Cheryl > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 I am going to jump in here. I bought into this New Age mind/body healing metaphysical stuff big time for over five years and I meditated my BUTT off, cried my eyes out, rehashed every old relationship, said prayers for the whole WORLD and journaled and spent tons of money having massages and taking herbs and boy I did it all, clay packs, sitz baths... I mean it turned into almost a full time JOB and I saw nothing but GROWTH in my fibroids. Notice this woman had a myo? Hello? Oprah, who believes in all that, had a myo. Uh-huh. I need to ask all of you to consider the fish that are washing up on shores with tumors and even cancer. What MESSAGE do you think their tumors are bringing them? I mean DOGS and CATS get cancer and arhtritis, I mean when you think about it this is ridiculous. Yes, there has been proven to be a mind/body connection, but let's not take that too far. There are MANY factors such as environmental for example that can cause all this. And a tumor is TISSUE and even the top " healers " will tell you that once you've had your little " breakthrough " revelation, etc. the body still has to do something with that. That is why we have surgeons at this point on the planet. God just dosen't " cure " everyone without medical intervention. I mean, please are we telling people with gallstones to " look for the message " or kidney stones? Or acne? Yeah sure Louise Hay can attach a meaning to anything, but even she knows we need doctors. They haven't cracked the fibroid nut yet. When they do, it will be a mixure of diet, lifestyle, hormones, etc. and I am sorry but right now no combination of the above, as far as I know, is going to significantly impacy a serious case of fibroids. UAE, hyst, myo, etc. That's what we're talking. So why not advance the best of these for women, such as the advanced myo, and keep looking to crack that nut. But " messages " ? At this point, thinking about those fish, well I feel like an idiot looking back at the stupid stuff I did. No wonder my boyfriend thought I was wacky. Just my two cents worth. - Mauer Re: Can fibroids shrink? > I assume you are referring to Dr. Christiane Northrup. Her reason for > having a myomectomy is irrelevant. Her method didn't work. That is > what we should keep in mind. I am also angry that she persists in > making statements such as " fibroids have messages " for us. She is a > physician. She needs to spend time researching fibroids or advocating > that others do so. Psycho babble clap trap is not doing us any good. > > My intention is not to attack you personally. I am just disappointed > that this doctor with such a large following dispenses lousy advice. > By the way, I hope that there are women getting results from > alternative medicine. It is another avenue that needs to be > rigorously researched. > > > > Bonnie: > > > > Northrup's approach is to use a combination of diet, > vitamins/minerals, > > exercise, castor oil packs and heat, sitz baths, body work > (acupuncture, > > shiatsu, etc.), directed journaling(being open to the " message " > your fibroid > > has for you and being willing to make the necessary changes in your > life). > > She claims that some women have had success with this, although she > ended up > > getting a myomectomy. I don't think she had to for health reasons, > though. > > I think she was just tired of looking like she was pregnant. > > Cheryl > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 I am going to jump in here. I bought into this New Age mind/body healing metaphysical stuff big time for over five years and I meditated my BUTT off, cried my eyes out, rehashed every old relationship, said prayers for the whole WORLD and journaled and spent tons of money having massages and taking herbs and boy I did it all, clay packs, sitz baths... I mean it turned into almost a full time JOB and I saw nothing but GROWTH in my fibroids. Notice this woman had a myo? Hello? Oprah, who believes in all that, had a myo. Uh-huh. I need to ask all of you to consider the fish that are washing up on shores with tumors and even cancer. What MESSAGE do you think their tumors are bringing them? I mean DOGS and CATS get cancer and arhtritis, I mean when you think about it this is ridiculous. Yes, there has been proven to be a mind/body connection, but let's not take that too far. There are MANY factors such as environmental for example that can cause all this. And a tumor is TISSUE and even the top " healers " will tell you that once you've had your little " breakthrough " revelation, etc. the body still has to do something with that. That is why we have surgeons at this point on the planet. God just dosen't " cure " everyone without medical intervention. I mean, please are we telling people with gallstones to " look for the message " or kidney stones? Or acne? Yeah sure Louise Hay can attach a meaning to anything, but even she knows we need doctors. They haven't cracked the fibroid nut yet. When they do, it will be a mixure of diet, lifestyle, hormones, etc. and I am sorry but right now no combination of the above, as far as I know, is going to significantly impacy a serious case of fibroids. UAE, hyst, myo, etc. That's what we're talking. So why not advance the best of these for women, such as the advanced myo, and keep looking to crack that nut. But " messages " ? At this point, thinking about those fish, well I feel like an idiot looking back at the stupid stuff I did. No wonder my boyfriend thought I was wacky. Just my two cents worth. - Mauer Re: Can fibroids shrink? > I assume you are referring to Dr. Christiane Northrup. Her reason for > having a myomectomy is irrelevant. Her method didn't work. That is > what we should keep in mind. I am also angry that she persists in > making statements such as " fibroids have messages " for us. She is a > physician. She needs to spend time researching fibroids or advocating > that others do so. Psycho babble clap trap is not doing us any good. > > My intention is not to attack you personally. I am just disappointed > that this doctor with such a large following dispenses lousy advice. > By the way, I hope that there are women getting results from > alternative medicine. It is another avenue that needs to be > rigorously researched. > > > > Bonnie: > > > > Northrup's approach is to use a combination of diet, > vitamins/minerals, > > exercise, castor oil packs and heat, sitz baths, body work > (acupuncture, > > shiatsu, etc.), directed journaling(being open to the " message " > your fibroid > > has for you and being willing to make the necessary changes in your > life). > > She claims that some women have had success with this, although she > ended up > > getting a myomectomy. I don't think she had to for health reasons, > though. > > I think she was just tired of looking like she was pregnant. > > Cheryl > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 In a message dated 12/18/01 8:06:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, cybrcat2000@... writes: > > I am also angry that she persists in > > making statements such as " fibroids have messages " > I'm not sure what Northrup meant by this. However, haven't we all heard people say that there was a " message " in something that happened to them be it a car accident, getting cancer, or having some kind of " close call " ? Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 In a message dated 12/18/01 8:06:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, cybrcat2000@... writes: > > I am also angry that she persists in > > making statements such as " fibroids have messages " > I'm not sure what Northrup meant by this. However, haven't we all heard people say that there was a " message " in something that happened to them be it a car accident, getting cancer, or having some kind of " close call " ? Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 You aren't crazy nor were you. You were a self directed woman seeking to alleviate her ailments to the best of her ability. When not able to, you resisted the blame the victim strategy that some of these self help philosphies wind up with. I applaud your efforts to find answers/cures. And, applaud your message that we need more actual research on fibroids. It is not our fault women! Its not just from my drinking caffeine or eating meat or lacking a 100% stress free! bravo. > >Reply-To: uterinefibroids >To: <uterinefibroids > >Subject: Re: Re: Can fibroids shrink? >Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:28:05 -0700 > >I am going to jump in here. I bought into this New Age mind/body healing >metaphysical stuff big time for over five years and I meditated my BUTT >off, >cried my eyes out, rehashed every old relationship, said prayers for the >whole WORLD and journaled and spent tons of money having massages and >taking >herbs and boy I did it all, clay packs, sitz baths... I mean it turned into >almost a full time JOB and I saw nothing but GROWTH in my fibroids. Notice >this woman had a myo? Hello? Oprah, who believes in all that, had a myo. >Uh-huh. > >I need to ask all of you to consider the fish that are washing up on shores >with tumors and even cancer. What MESSAGE do you think their tumors are >bringing them? I mean DOGS and CATS get cancer and arhtritis, I mean when >you think about it this is ridiculous. Yes, there has been proven to be a >mind/body connection, but let's not take that too far. There are MANY >factors such as environmental for example that can cause all this. And a >tumor is TISSUE and even the top " healers " will tell you that once you've >had your little " breakthrough " revelation, etc. the body still has to do >something with that. That is why we have surgeons at this point on the >planet. God just dosen't " cure " everyone without medical intervention. I >mean, please are we telling people with gallstones to " look for the >message " >or kidney stones? Or acne? Yeah sure Louise Hay can attach a meaning to >anything, but even she knows we need doctors. > >They haven't cracked the fibroid nut yet. When they do, it will be a >mixure >of diet, lifestyle, hormones, etc. and I am sorry but right now no >combination of the above, as far as I know, is going to significantly >impacy >a serious case of fibroids. UAE, hyst, myo, etc. That's what we're >talking. So why not advance the best of these for women, such as the >advanced myo, and keep looking to crack that nut. >But " messages " ? At this point, thinking about those fish, well I feel like >an idiot looking back at the stupid stuff I did. No wonder my boyfriend >thought I was wacky. >Just my two cents worth. - Mauer > > > Re: Can fibroids shrink? > > > > I assume you are referring to Dr. Christiane Northrup. Her reason for > > having a myomectomy is irrelevant. Her method didn't work. That is > > what we should keep in mind. I am also angry that she persists in > > making statements such as " fibroids have messages " for us. She is a > > physician. She needs to spend time researching fibroids or advocating > > that others do so. Psycho babble clap trap is not doing us any good. > > > > My intention is not to attack you personally. I am just disappointed > > that this doctor with such a large following dispenses lousy advice. > > By the way, I hope that there are women getting results from > > alternative medicine. It is another avenue that needs to be > > rigorously researched. > > > > > > > Bonnie: > > > > > > Northrup's approach is to use a combination of diet, > > vitamins/minerals, > > > exercise, castor oil packs and heat, sitz baths, body work > > (acupuncture, > > > shiatsu, etc.), directed journaling(being open to the " message " > > your fibroid > > > has for you and being willing to make the necessary changes in your > > life). > > > She claims that some women have had success with this, although she > > ended up > > > getting a myomectomy. I don't think she had to for health reasons, > > though. > > > I think she was just tired of looking like she was pregnant. > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 You aren't crazy nor were you. You were a self directed woman seeking to alleviate her ailments to the best of her ability. When not able to, you resisted the blame the victim strategy that some of these self help philosphies wind up with. I applaud your efforts to find answers/cures. And, applaud your message that we need more actual research on fibroids. It is not our fault women! Its not just from my drinking caffeine or eating meat or lacking a 100% stress free! bravo. > >Reply-To: uterinefibroids >To: <uterinefibroids > >Subject: Re: Re: Can fibroids shrink? >Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:28:05 -0700 > >I am going to jump in here. I bought into this New Age mind/body healing >metaphysical stuff big time for over five years and I meditated my BUTT >off, >cried my eyes out, rehashed every old relationship, said prayers for the >whole WORLD and journaled and spent tons of money having massages and >taking >herbs and boy I did it all, clay packs, sitz baths... I mean it turned into >almost a full time JOB and I saw nothing but GROWTH in my fibroids. Notice >this woman had a myo? Hello? Oprah, who believes in all that, had a myo. >Uh-huh. > >I need to ask all of you to consider the fish that are washing up on shores >with tumors and even cancer. What MESSAGE do you think their tumors are >bringing them? I mean DOGS and CATS get cancer and arhtritis, I mean when >you think about it this is ridiculous. Yes, there has been proven to be a >mind/body connection, but let's not take that too far. There are MANY >factors such as environmental for example that can cause all this. And a >tumor is TISSUE and even the top " healers " will tell you that once you've >had your little " breakthrough " revelation, etc. the body still has to do >something with that. That is why we have surgeons at this point on the >planet. God just dosen't " cure " everyone without medical intervention. I >mean, please are we telling people with gallstones to " look for the >message " >or kidney stones? Or acne? Yeah sure Louise Hay can attach a meaning to >anything, but even she knows we need doctors. > >They haven't cracked the fibroid nut yet. When they do, it will be a >mixure >of diet, lifestyle, hormones, etc. and I am sorry but right now no >combination of the above, as far as I know, is going to significantly >impacy >a serious case of fibroids. UAE, hyst, myo, etc. That's what we're >talking. So why not advance the best of these for women, such as the >advanced myo, and keep looking to crack that nut. >But " messages " ? At this point, thinking about those fish, well I feel like >an idiot looking back at the stupid stuff I did. No wonder my boyfriend >thought I was wacky. >Just my two cents worth. - Mauer > > > Re: Can fibroids shrink? > > > > I assume you are referring to Dr. Christiane Northrup. Her reason for > > having a myomectomy is irrelevant. Her method didn't work. That is > > what we should keep in mind. I am also angry that she persists in > > making statements such as " fibroids have messages " for us. She is a > > physician. She needs to spend time researching fibroids or advocating > > that others do so. Psycho babble clap trap is not doing us any good. > > > > My intention is not to attack you personally. I am just disappointed > > that this doctor with such a large following dispenses lousy advice. > > By the way, I hope that there are women getting results from > > alternative medicine. It is another avenue that needs to be > > rigorously researched. > > > > > > > Bonnie: > > > > > > Northrup's approach is to use a combination of diet, > > vitamins/minerals, > > > exercise, castor oil packs and heat, sitz baths, body work > > (acupuncture, > > > shiatsu, etc.), directed journaling(being open to the " message " > > your fibroid > > > has for you and being willing to make the necessary changes in your > > life). > > > She claims that some women have had success with this, although she > > ended up > > > getting a myomectomy. I don't think she had to for health reasons, > > though. > > > I think she was just tired of looking like she was pregnant. > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 More jumping in here... --- margaretleo2001 wrote: > Her method didn't work. Her method didn't work, *for her.* That is not the same as saying it doesn't work for anyone, and in fact, it has worked for some people. > I am also angry that she persists in > making statements such as " fibroids have messages " I haven't decided for myself yet whether or not this is true, but I won't rule it out. I don't think anyone knows precisely what causes fibroids. Until we figure it out, though, I can't fathom dismissing all theories because they don't fit neatly into commonly accepted medical/surgical/pharmaceutical practice. Doctors who perform expensive, invasive procedures to meet their own needs or pat themselves on the back (1 kilo club, <shudder>) are far too common, and at least Dr. Northrup's methodology doesn't fit into that category. > She is a physician. She needs to spend time > researching fibroids or advocating > that others do so. Yes, she is a physician. So is my dentist, and my massage therapist. But nobody's insisting that they stop what they're doing and start researching fibroids. Physicians are permitted to choose their own specialties and methods of practice. If there's one you don't like, simply do some research and find another. > I hope that there are women getting results from > alternative medicine. It is another avenue that > needs to be rigorously researched. How is Dr. Northrup's method *not* alternative medicine? This is not a personal attack...I simply don't understand how you can slam one doctor's unconventional methods, while at the same time calling for more research and more alternatives. Have you had a bad experience with Dr. Northrup personally, or is there something else I've missed? Fot the record, I am highly skeptical of many alternative-healing methods, and I think a certain amount of caution is essential. I don't believe in a blame-the-victim approach, nor do I have a problem with traditional surgery if it's needed. I'm trying to look at my own fibroids in a balanced way, and although your opinion is valuable, I'd prefer not to have something that could potentially help me or other women dismissed as lousy psychobabble claptrap. ==Cat __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 More jumping in here... --- margaretleo2001 wrote: > Her method didn't work. Her method didn't work, *for her.* That is not the same as saying it doesn't work for anyone, and in fact, it has worked for some people. > I am also angry that she persists in > making statements such as " fibroids have messages " I haven't decided for myself yet whether or not this is true, but I won't rule it out. I don't think anyone knows precisely what causes fibroids. Until we figure it out, though, I can't fathom dismissing all theories because they don't fit neatly into commonly accepted medical/surgical/pharmaceutical practice. Doctors who perform expensive, invasive procedures to meet their own needs or pat themselves on the back (1 kilo club, <shudder>) are far too common, and at least Dr. Northrup's methodology doesn't fit into that category. > She is a physician. She needs to spend time > researching fibroids or advocating > that others do so. Yes, she is a physician. So is my dentist, and my massage therapist. But nobody's insisting that they stop what they're doing and start researching fibroids. Physicians are permitted to choose their own specialties and methods of practice. If there's one you don't like, simply do some research and find another. > I hope that there are women getting results from > alternative medicine. It is another avenue that > needs to be rigorously researched. How is Dr. Northrup's method *not* alternative medicine? This is not a personal attack...I simply don't understand how you can slam one doctor's unconventional methods, while at the same time calling for more research and more alternatives. Have you had a bad experience with Dr. Northrup personally, or is there something else I've missed? Fot the record, I am highly skeptical of many alternative-healing methods, and I think a certain amount of caution is essential. I don't believe in a blame-the-victim approach, nor do I have a problem with traditional surgery if it's needed. I'm trying to look at my own fibroids in a balanced way, and although your opinion is valuable, I'd prefer not to have something that could potentially help me or other women dismissed as lousy psychobabble claptrap. ==Cat __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 I wasn't originally in on this discussion, but I think so many (probably a majority) of us have already traveled that path, spent TONS of money trying herbs, tinctures, vitamins, buying books, trying castor oil packs, etc. and became somewhat disillusioned when it didn't seem to make a difference. We read books, gained hope, and tried various methods of treating fibroids. You do start getting the message that it's your fault, because most of the suggested changes are things over which you have control. You need to avoid meat, dairy, stress, caffeine, who knows about soy? Maybe your progesterone is low, maybe it isn't? What about the pill? Does it influence fibroids or not? Even after changing your ways, the fibroid situation typically doesn't change. Even if it does, do you really have any idea which one of the tons of things you tried affected it? The whole thing can drive you crazy! After seeing all the money I spent, I recognized more and more the money-making side of alternative medicine. I don't mean that are not any good, sincere doctors out there, either alternative or traditional, but you finally start feeling like the researchers need to find the answers. You can't just keep trying and trying and trying stuff. Maybe others can, but it started robbing me of my life. It takes research time, you put a plan together, you may have a vitamin regimen, you change your meals, eating patterns, you stick with this awhile, and yet nothing happens. Although my fibroid size has been fairly stable for two years (at 11cm), I'm going to have a myo in a couple of weeks. I've been watching and waiting (while trying all this stuff) for two years and finally think the urinary pressure is too bothersome (among other things). I've gained weight since cutting out the meat and other protein sources, so I'm also going to go back to eating eggs and dairy products (as long as it's hormone-free). I now no longer want to contribute to the meat industry. It breaks my heart to see a truck full of pigs or cows. But, I want to enjoy a more expansive diet once again. It's a relief to even start to think about not obsessing over every little thing I eat, drink, or think. I think anyone who's interested should try alternative methods of healing, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't help. I know I'm skeptical, but I don't know anyone with a large fibroid who has experienced shrinkage. Even most alternative doctors don't offer much hope for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 I wasn't originally in on this discussion, but I think so many (probably a majority) of us have already traveled that path, spent TONS of money trying herbs, tinctures, vitamins, buying books, trying castor oil packs, etc. and became somewhat disillusioned when it didn't seem to make a difference. We read books, gained hope, and tried various methods of treating fibroids. You do start getting the message that it's your fault, because most of the suggested changes are things over which you have control. You need to avoid meat, dairy, stress, caffeine, who knows about soy? Maybe your progesterone is low, maybe it isn't? What about the pill? Does it influence fibroids or not? Even after changing your ways, the fibroid situation typically doesn't change. Even if it does, do you really have any idea which one of the tons of things you tried affected it? The whole thing can drive you crazy! After seeing all the money I spent, I recognized more and more the money-making side of alternative medicine. I don't mean that are not any good, sincere doctors out there, either alternative or traditional, but you finally start feeling like the researchers need to find the answers. You can't just keep trying and trying and trying stuff. Maybe others can, but it started robbing me of my life. It takes research time, you put a plan together, you may have a vitamin regimen, you change your meals, eating patterns, you stick with this awhile, and yet nothing happens. Although my fibroid size has been fairly stable for two years (at 11cm), I'm going to have a myo in a couple of weeks. I've been watching and waiting (while trying all this stuff) for two years and finally think the urinary pressure is too bothersome (among other things). I've gained weight since cutting out the meat and other protein sources, so I'm also going to go back to eating eggs and dairy products (as long as it's hormone-free). I now no longer want to contribute to the meat industry. It breaks my heart to see a truck full of pigs or cows. But, I want to enjoy a more expansive diet once again. It's a relief to even start to think about not obsessing over every little thing I eat, drink, or think. I think anyone who's interested should try alternative methods of healing, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't help. I know I'm skeptical, but I don't know anyone with a large fibroid who has experienced shrinkage. Even most alternative doctors don't offer much hope for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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