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Bonnie, Cheryl

The growth of the fibroids is so heavily influenced by the presence

of estrogen. Before menopause it may be that shrinkage of fibroids

can only happen to a certain extent but after menopause with the

drastic reduction of estrogen in our bodies then shrinkage is more

achievable.

I have been reading a lot about diet and there are so many factors

that can influence how much " extra " estrogen is in our blood.

One thing that can influence that is how well our livers are eliminating

wastes from our bodies. If it is compromised or congested in any way

then that can cause problems in most areas of our bodies. This is where

drinking plenty of water comes in.

The reason why fiber is so important is that fiber will actually bind with

estrogen as it is being eliminated and help escort it out of the body.

If there is not enough fiber is our diets to carry it out then the estrogen

will recycle through our blood stream.

Also there are so many hormones in our meat that we eat that it only adds

to the problem of putting yet more estrogen in our bodies.

Dairy is the same way. Soy milk would be a good substitute.

I will let you know how I found this reading. Most of you might enjoy it.

I use google as my search engine. I was curious about certain foods

and how they may influence the growth of the fibroids so I put in the words

miso soup and uterine fibroids

herbs and uterine fibroids

natural remedies and uterine fibroids

liver cleanse and uterine fibroids

The articles they brought up were very informative.

I am new to all this and just now starting my research.

You all may know all of this already but for those that don't,

I hope it is helpful.

Welby

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Bonnie, Cheryl

The growth of the fibroids is so heavily influenced by the presence

of estrogen. Before menopause it may be that shrinkage of fibroids

can only happen to a certain extent but after menopause with the

drastic reduction of estrogen in our bodies then shrinkage is more

achievable.

I have been reading a lot about diet and there are so many factors

that can influence how much " extra " estrogen is in our blood.

One thing that can influence that is how well our livers are eliminating

wastes from our bodies. If it is compromised or congested in any way

then that can cause problems in most areas of our bodies. This is where

drinking plenty of water comes in.

The reason why fiber is so important is that fiber will actually bind with

estrogen as it is being eliminated and help escort it out of the body.

If there is not enough fiber is our diets to carry it out then the estrogen

will recycle through our blood stream.

Also there are so many hormones in our meat that we eat that it only adds

to the problem of putting yet more estrogen in our bodies.

Dairy is the same way. Soy milk would be a good substitute.

I will let you know how I found this reading. Most of you might enjoy it.

I use google as my search engine. I was curious about certain foods

and how they may influence the growth of the fibroids so I put in the words

miso soup and uterine fibroids

herbs and uterine fibroids

natural remedies and uterine fibroids

liver cleanse and uterine fibroids

The articles they brought up were very informative.

I am new to all this and just now starting my research.

You all may know all of this already but for those that don't,

I hope it is helpful.

Welby

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Bonnie, Cheryl

The growth of the fibroids is so heavily influenced by the presence

of estrogen. Before menopause it may be that shrinkage of fibroids

can only happen to a certain extent but after menopause with the

drastic reduction of estrogen in our bodies then shrinkage is more

achievable.

I have been reading a lot about diet and there are so many factors

that can influence how much " extra " estrogen is in our blood.

One thing that can influence that is how well our livers are eliminating

wastes from our bodies. If it is compromised or congested in any way

then that can cause problems in most areas of our bodies. This is where

drinking plenty of water comes in.

The reason why fiber is so important is that fiber will actually bind with

estrogen as it is being eliminated and help escort it out of the body.

If there is not enough fiber is our diets to carry it out then the estrogen

will recycle through our blood stream.

Also there are so many hormones in our meat that we eat that it only adds

to the problem of putting yet more estrogen in our bodies.

Dairy is the same way. Soy milk would be a good substitute.

I will let you know how I found this reading. Most of you might enjoy it.

I use google as my search engine. I was curious about certain foods

and how they may influence the growth of the fibroids so I put in the words

miso soup and uterine fibroids

herbs and uterine fibroids

natural remedies and uterine fibroids

liver cleanse and uterine fibroids

The articles they brought up were very informative.

I am new to all this and just now starting my research.

You all may know all of this already but for those that don't,

I hope it is helpful.

Welby

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I made a comment earlier about replacing cow's milk with soy milk.

It seems there is some conflicting information about the benefits of

soy milk. Some articles are saying to eliminate soy from the diet for

the same reasons for eliminating cow's milk. It pays to gather as much

information from as many different sources as possible.

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I made a comment earlier about replacing cow's milk with soy milk.

It seems there is some conflicting information about the benefits of

soy milk. Some articles are saying to eliminate soy from the diet for

the same reasons for eliminating cow's milk. It pays to gather as much

information from as many different sources as possible.

Welby

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I made a comment earlier about replacing cow's milk with soy milk.

It seems there is some conflicting information about the benefits of

soy milk. Some articles are saying to eliminate soy from the diet for

the same reasons for eliminating cow's milk. It pays to gather as much

information from as many different sources as possible.

Welby

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In a message dated 12/15/01 4:28:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,

sun4evr@... writes:

> No matter how small it shrinks, it will still be

> there and I do not like foreign bodies in MY body!

>

Foreign body? But it is made up of your tissue. . .

Cheryl

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In a message dated 12/15/01 4:28:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,

sun4evr@... writes:

> No matter how small it shrinks, it will still be

> there and I do not like foreign bodies in MY body!

>

Foreign body? But it is made up of your tissue. . .

Cheryl

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In a message dated 12/15/01 4:28:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,

sun4evr@... writes:

> No matter how small it shrinks, it will still be

> there and I do not like foreign bodies in MY body!

>

Foreign body? But it is made up of your tissue. . .

Cheryl

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>If there are multiple fibroids the smaller

> > ones may shrink down to almost nothing the larger ones won't they will

> > calcify.20 weeks is too large

> > for your type of expectation.

What happens when they calcify?

Personally, I do not like the idea of allowing menopause to work the

solution for my fibroid. No matter how small it shrinks, it will still be

there and I do not like foreign bodies in MY body!

I want it OUT.

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>If there are multiple fibroids the smaller

> > ones may shrink down to almost nothing the larger ones won't they will

> > calcify.20 weeks is too large

> > for your type of expectation.

What happens when they calcify?

Personally, I do not like the idea of allowing menopause to work the

solution for my fibroid. No matter how small it shrinks, it will still be

there and I do not like foreign bodies in MY body!

I want it OUT.

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>If there are multiple fibroids the smaller

> > ones may shrink down to almost nothing the larger ones won't they will

> > calcify.20 weeks is too large

> > for your type of expectation.

What happens when they calcify?

Personally, I do not like the idea of allowing menopause to work the

solution for my fibroid. No matter how small it shrinks, it will still be

there and I do not like foreign bodies in MY body!

I want it OUT.

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At 12/15/01 10:24 PM, SiCanto@... wrote:

>Foreign body? But it is made up of your tissue. . .

Well, my feeling is that if we were not born with it, it shouldn't be there.

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At 12/15/01 10:24 PM, SiCanto@... wrote:

>Foreign body? But it is made up of your tissue. . .

Well, my feeling is that if we were not born with it, it shouldn't be there.

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At 12/15/01 10:24 PM, SiCanto@... wrote:

>Foreign body? But it is made up of your tissue. . .

Well, my feeling is that if we were not born with it, it shouldn't be there.

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I understood you were talking about degrees of shrinkage.

My opinion was that it would be much harder (though not impossible)

to successfully shrink a fibroid before menopause.

Just as the combination of factors had to be just right to grow the fibroid,

they have to be just right to shrink it. I realize that is an obvious

statement.

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Well no there is no use arguing and if you are satisfied with waiting it out

then you know,I know a

really good surgeon whose motto is: " No surgery is the best surgery "

I have had fibroids as an issue in my life(on and off) for 20 years when I had

my 1st myo.I then had

a UAE and then a 2nd myo last July.I have done a lot of reading in 20 years,been

on this list group

for more than 1 year,and the doctors I've seen could form a small army by now.

You may be referring to Tish's mother who did have her fibroids shrink with

menopause and I am not

saying they do not shrink.I do believe,and Tish could confirm or deny this,that

there was not the

diagnostic tools like ultra sound or CAT a number of years ago and so size

reduction may not have

been able to be accurately diagnosed.

The important thing is that you are in good health and should your expectations

not be realized you

could always decide to do something (or not) at that time.

Very best,

Bonnie

SiCanto@... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/15/01 2:52:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> malgretout@... writes:

>

> > If there are multiple fibroids the smaller

> > ones may shrink down to almost nothing the larger ones won't they will

> > calcify.20 weeks is too large

> > for your type of expectation.

> >

>

> Bonnie:

>

> I don't want to get into an argument with you, Bonnie. I'm not a health care

> professional. I don't know if you are. . . All I can tell you is what I

> have read in books written by doctors, what doctors have told me, and what

> some others have posted to this list (about women who have entered menopause

> and had, as I recall, a fibroid the size of a sixteen week pregnancy shrink

> to an unnoticeable size.) But, every case is different.

>

> If you also obtained your information from doctors, I think that just

> corroborates something we've all learned. That is, that -- doctors disagree.

> Cheryl

>

>

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Well no there is no use arguing and if you are satisfied with waiting it out

then you know,I know a

really good surgeon whose motto is: " No surgery is the best surgery "

I have had fibroids as an issue in my life(on and off) for 20 years when I had

my 1st myo.I then had

a UAE and then a 2nd myo last July.I have done a lot of reading in 20 years,been

on this list group

for more than 1 year,and the doctors I've seen could form a small army by now.

You may be referring to Tish's mother who did have her fibroids shrink with

menopause and I am not

saying they do not shrink.I do believe,and Tish could confirm or deny this,that

there was not the

diagnostic tools like ultra sound or CAT a number of years ago and so size

reduction may not have

been able to be accurately diagnosed.

The important thing is that you are in good health and should your expectations

not be realized you

could always decide to do something (or not) at that time.

Very best,

Bonnie

SiCanto@... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/15/01 2:52:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> malgretout@... writes:

>

> > If there are multiple fibroids the smaller

> > ones may shrink down to almost nothing the larger ones won't they will

> > calcify.20 weeks is too large

> > for your type of expectation.

> >

>

> Bonnie:

>

> I don't want to get into an argument with you, Bonnie. I'm not a health care

> professional. I don't know if you are. . . All I can tell you is what I

> have read in books written by doctors, what doctors have told me, and what

> some others have posted to this list (about women who have entered menopause

> and had, as I recall, a fibroid the size of a sixteen week pregnancy shrink

> to an unnoticeable size.) But, every case is different.

>

> If you also obtained your information from doctors, I think that just

> corroborates something we've all learned. That is, that -- doctors disagree.

> Cheryl

>

>

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Well no there is no use arguing and if you are satisfied with waiting it out

then you know,I know a

really good surgeon whose motto is: " No surgery is the best surgery "

I have had fibroids as an issue in my life(on and off) for 20 years when I had

my 1st myo.I then had

a UAE and then a 2nd myo last July.I have done a lot of reading in 20 years,been

on this list group

for more than 1 year,and the doctors I've seen could form a small army by now.

You may be referring to Tish's mother who did have her fibroids shrink with

menopause and I am not

saying they do not shrink.I do believe,and Tish could confirm or deny this,that

there was not the

diagnostic tools like ultra sound or CAT a number of years ago and so size

reduction may not have

been able to be accurately diagnosed.

The important thing is that you are in good health and should your expectations

not be realized you

could always decide to do something (or not) at that time.

Very best,

Bonnie

SiCanto@... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/15/01 2:52:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> malgretout@... writes:

>

> > If there are multiple fibroids the smaller

> > ones may shrink down to almost nothing the larger ones won't they will

> > calcify.20 weeks is too large

> > for your type of expectation.

> >

>

> Bonnie:

>

> I don't want to get into an argument with you, Bonnie. I'm not a health care

> professional. I don't know if you are. . . All I can tell you is what I

> have read in books written by doctors, what doctors have told me, and what

> some others have posted to this list (about women who have entered menopause

> and had, as I recall, a fibroid the size of a sixteen week pregnancy shrink

> to an unnoticeable size.) But, every case is different.

>

> If you also obtained your information from doctors, I think that just

> corroborates something we've all learned. That is, that -- doctors disagree.

> Cheryl

>

>

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Of course fibroids are influenced by the presence of estrogen and with menopause

there should be no

more growth and a reductuion in some of the fibroids.What is being discussed is

whether a large

fibroid can reduce to nothing with menopause and I'm saying that I doubt

this,but rather it would go

into a state of calcification.

I am, having just undergone my 2nd myomectomy at age 50, relying quite a bit on

menopause to not have

any future growth,so I am most certainly aware of how both estrogen and

progesterone influences

fibroid growth-its a question of degrees that is being discussed.

In 20 years of this battle I have tried all the Miso soup,water,exercise etc

formulas and it didn't

do much

Best,

Bonnie

TheWelbyCo@... wrote:

> Bonnie, Cheryl

>

> The growth of the fibroids is so heavily influenced by the presence

> of estrogen. Before menopause it may be that shrinkage of fibroids

> can only happen to a certain extent but after menopause with the

> drastic reduction of estrogen in our bodies then shrinkage is more

> achievable.

> I have been reading a lot about diet and there are so many factors

> that can influence how much " extra " estrogen is in our blood.

>

> One thing that can influence that is how well our livers are eliminating

> wastes from our bodies. If it is compromised or congested in any way

> then that can cause problems in most areas of our bodies. This is where

> drinking plenty of water comes in.

>

> The reason why fiber is so important is that fiber will actually bind with

> estrogen as it is being eliminated and help escort it out of the body.

> If there is not enough fiber is our diets to carry it out then the estrogen

> will recycle through our blood stream.

>

> Also there are so many hormones in our meat that we eat that it only adds

> to the problem of putting yet more estrogen in our bodies.

> Dairy is the same way. Soy milk would be a good substitute.

>

> I will let you know how I found this reading. Most of you might enjoy it.

> I use google as my search engine. I was curious about certain foods

> and how they may influence the growth of the fibroids so I put in the words

> miso soup and uterine fibroids

> herbs and uterine fibroids

> natural remedies and uterine fibroids

> liver cleanse and uterine fibroids

>

> The articles they brought up were very informative.

> I am new to all this and just now starting my research.

> You all may know all of this already but for those that don't,

> I hope it is helpful.

>

> Welby

>

>

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Of course fibroids are influenced by the presence of estrogen and with menopause

there should be no

more growth and a reductuion in some of the fibroids.What is being discussed is

whether a large

fibroid can reduce to nothing with menopause and I'm saying that I doubt

this,but rather it would go

into a state of calcification.

I am, having just undergone my 2nd myomectomy at age 50, relying quite a bit on

menopause to not have

any future growth,so I am most certainly aware of how both estrogen and

progesterone influences

fibroid growth-its a question of degrees that is being discussed.

In 20 years of this battle I have tried all the Miso soup,water,exercise etc

formulas and it didn't

do much

Best,

Bonnie

TheWelbyCo@... wrote:

> Bonnie, Cheryl

>

> The growth of the fibroids is so heavily influenced by the presence

> of estrogen. Before menopause it may be that shrinkage of fibroids

> can only happen to a certain extent but after menopause with the

> drastic reduction of estrogen in our bodies then shrinkage is more

> achievable.

> I have been reading a lot about diet and there are so many factors

> that can influence how much " extra " estrogen is in our blood.

>

> One thing that can influence that is how well our livers are eliminating

> wastes from our bodies. If it is compromised or congested in any way

> then that can cause problems in most areas of our bodies. This is where

> drinking plenty of water comes in.

>

> The reason why fiber is so important is that fiber will actually bind with

> estrogen as it is being eliminated and help escort it out of the body.

> If there is not enough fiber is our diets to carry it out then the estrogen

> will recycle through our blood stream.

>

> Also there are so many hormones in our meat that we eat that it only adds

> to the problem of putting yet more estrogen in our bodies.

> Dairy is the same way. Soy milk would be a good substitute.

>

> I will let you know how I found this reading. Most of you might enjoy it.

> I use google as my search engine. I was curious about certain foods

> and how they may influence the growth of the fibroids so I put in the words

> miso soup and uterine fibroids

> herbs and uterine fibroids

> natural remedies and uterine fibroids

> liver cleanse and uterine fibroids

>

> The articles they brought up were very informative.

> I am new to all this and just now starting my research.

> You all may know all of this already but for those that don't,

> I hope it is helpful.

>

> Welby

>

>

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Of course fibroids are influenced by the presence of estrogen and with menopause

there should be no

more growth and a reductuion in some of the fibroids.What is being discussed is

whether a large

fibroid can reduce to nothing with menopause and I'm saying that I doubt

this,but rather it would go

into a state of calcification.

I am, having just undergone my 2nd myomectomy at age 50, relying quite a bit on

menopause to not have

any future growth,so I am most certainly aware of how both estrogen and

progesterone influences

fibroid growth-its a question of degrees that is being discussed.

In 20 years of this battle I have tried all the Miso soup,water,exercise etc

formulas and it didn't

do much

Best,

Bonnie

TheWelbyCo@... wrote:

> Bonnie, Cheryl

>

> The growth of the fibroids is so heavily influenced by the presence

> of estrogen. Before menopause it may be that shrinkage of fibroids

> can only happen to a certain extent but after menopause with the

> drastic reduction of estrogen in our bodies then shrinkage is more

> achievable.

> I have been reading a lot about diet and there are so many factors

> that can influence how much " extra " estrogen is in our blood.

>

> One thing that can influence that is how well our livers are eliminating

> wastes from our bodies. If it is compromised or congested in any way

> then that can cause problems in most areas of our bodies. This is where

> drinking plenty of water comes in.

>

> The reason why fiber is so important is that fiber will actually bind with

> estrogen as it is being eliminated and help escort it out of the body.

> If there is not enough fiber is our diets to carry it out then the estrogen

> will recycle through our blood stream.

>

> Also there are so many hormones in our meat that we eat that it only adds

> to the problem of putting yet more estrogen in our bodies.

> Dairy is the same way. Soy milk would be a good substitute.

>

> I will let you know how I found this reading. Most of you might enjoy it.

> I use google as my search engine. I was curious about certain foods

> and how they may influence the growth of the fibroids so I put in the words

> miso soup and uterine fibroids

> herbs and uterine fibroids

> natural remedies and uterine fibroids

> liver cleanse and uterine fibroids

>

> The articles they brought up were very informative.

> I am new to all this and just now starting my research.

> You all may know all of this already but for those that don't,

> I hope it is helpful.

>

> Welby

>

>

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They are no longer active when calcified.Fibroids cannot really be referred to

as " foreign bodies "

they are part of the myometrium or arise from the myometrium.Sometimes doing

nothing is a good

solution sometimes fibroids which were never a problem become one.Everyone has

to put their picture

together for themselves as to what to do and be sure they are talking to a

doctor who would consider

conservative measures before jumping to the hysterectomy solution should the

fibroids become a

problem.

Best,

Bonnie

sun4evr@... wrote:

> >If there are multiple fibroids the smaller

> > > ones may shrink down to almost nothing the larger ones won't they will

> > > calcify.20 weeks is too large

> > > for your type of expectation.

>

> What happens when they calcify?

>

> Personally, I do not like the idea of allowing menopause to work the

> solution for my fibroid. No matter how small it shrinks, it will still be

> there and I do not like foreign bodies in MY body!

>

> I want it OUT.

>

> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> FOR SALE: New Bernina sewing machine and Bernina 2-3-4 serger

> Email hobbylass@... for details.

> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>

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They are no longer active when calcified.Fibroids cannot really be referred to

as " foreign bodies "

they are part of the myometrium or arise from the myometrium.Sometimes doing

nothing is a good

solution sometimes fibroids which were never a problem become one.Everyone has

to put their picture

together for themselves as to what to do and be sure they are talking to a

doctor who would consider

conservative measures before jumping to the hysterectomy solution should the

fibroids become a

problem.

Best,

Bonnie

sun4evr@... wrote:

> >If there are multiple fibroids the smaller

> > > ones may shrink down to almost nothing the larger ones won't they will

> > > calcify.20 weeks is too large

> > > for your type of expectation.

>

> What happens when they calcify?

>

> Personally, I do not like the idea of allowing menopause to work the

> solution for my fibroid. No matter how small it shrinks, it will still be

> there and I do not like foreign bodies in MY body!

>

> I want it OUT.

>

> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> FOR SALE: New Bernina sewing machine and Bernina 2-3-4 serger

> Email hobbylass@... for details.

> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>

>

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They are no longer active when calcified.Fibroids cannot really be referred to

as " foreign bodies "

they are part of the myometrium or arise from the myometrium.Sometimes doing

nothing is a good

solution sometimes fibroids which were never a problem become one.Everyone has

to put their picture

together for themselves as to what to do and be sure they are talking to a

doctor who would consider

conservative measures before jumping to the hysterectomy solution should the

fibroids become a

problem.

Best,

Bonnie

sun4evr@... wrote:

> >If there are multiple fibroids the smaller

> > > ones may shrink down to almost nothing the larger ones won't they will

> > > calcify.20 weeks is too large

> > > for your type of expectation.

>

> What happens when they calcify?

>

> Personally, I do not like the idea of allowing menopause to work the

> solution for my fibroid. No matter how small it shrinks, it will still be

> there and I do not like foreign bodies in MY body!

>

> I want it OUT.

>

> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> FOR SALE: New Bernina sewing machine and Bernina 2-3-4 serger

> Email hobbylass@... for details.

> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>

>

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