Guest guest Posted September 13, 2000 Report Share Posted September 13, 2000 In a message dated 9/13/00 5:23:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, marcusmc@... writes: << A lot of people think life stops with out hearing . >> I agree Marcus...People really amaize me at times and think your nothing but a vegetable...At least thats the way I have learned. Lana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2000 Report Share Posted September 13, 2000 I saw my first set of Implants today and I was real impressed, Cochlear Implants that is. Little kid aged 2 standing with his mum, real cute ( the kid that is ). Poor little guy has tough road ahead !!! Had a good chat to the mum, and she was real amazed I was deaf. I think she thought it was real cool that a deaf person has a future. A lot of people think life stops with out hearing . Marcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2000 Report Share Posted September 13, 2000 That's pretty sad isn't it Marcus? So they're gonna force this kid to become " hearing " despite him being born deaf, i.e., he hasn't experience ANY HEARING to begin with. Mark ----Original Message Follows---- Had a good chat to the mum, and she was real amazed I was deaf. I think she thought it was real cool that a deaf person has a future. A lot of people think life stops with out hearing . Marcus _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2000 Report Share Posted September 13, 2000 That's pretty sad isn't it Marcus? So they're gonna force this kid to become " hearing " despite him being born deaf, i.e., he hasn't experience ANY HEARING to begin with. Mark ----Original Message Follows---- Had a good chat to the mum, and she was real amazed I was deaf. I think she thought it was real cool that a deaf person has a future. A lot of people think life stops with out hearing . Marcus _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 Well Mark I think that parents want to give their children every chance in life . One thing we NF ers forget is that we have had the opportunity to learn to speak and in most cases get an education to some degree. YEp the boy has a tough time ahead but it will be easier with implant ( not much !! ) Marcus Future MAN ! Re: IMPLANTS ! > That's pretty sad isn't it Marcus? So they're gonna force this kid to become > " hearing " despite him being born deaf, i.e., he hasn't experience ANY > HEARING to begin with. > > Mark > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > Had a good chat to the mum, and she was real amazed I was deaf. I think she > thought it was real cool that a deaf person has a future. A lot of people > think life stops with out hearing . > > Marcus > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 In a message dated 09/14/2000 4:49:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, marcusmc@... writes: << So they're gonna force this kid to become > " hearing " despite him being born deaf, i.e., he hasn't experience ANY > HEARING to begin with. >> Oh boy...opening a can of worms here! My view is that if a child is born Deaf, he should be taught sign language and live his life as a Deaf person. I say this because Deaf people have a culture all their own. It starts straight from birth. I'm assuming that the parents and child would learn sign language so that they can communicate. Teaching a Deaf person to speak is not easy. And the chances of learning lip reading without some kind of language base are virtually nil. Most culturally Deaf people are not dummies (though there are a few ). They just need to be with people that know what they're talking about. Then, as they get older, they'll learn how to handle themselves in situations with hearing people. As they mature into their teens and then their 20's and start working, they'll learn how to deal better with situations with hearing people. My 2 cents... June Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 In a message dated 09/14/2000 4:49:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, marcusmc@... writes: << So they're gonna force this kid to become > " hearing " despite him being born deaf, i.e., he hasn't experience ANY > HEARING to begin with. >> Oh boy...opening a can of worms here! My view is that if a child is born Deaf, he should be taught sign language and live his life as a Deaf person. I say this because Deaf people have a culture all their own. It starts straight from birth. I'm assuming that the parents and child would learn sign language so that they can communicate. Teaching a Deaf person to speak is not easy. And the chances of learning lip reading without some kind of language base are virtually nil. Most culturally Deaf people are not dummies (though there are a few ). They just need to be with people that know what they're talking about. Then, as they get older, they'll learn how to handle themselves in situations with hearing people. As they mature into their teens and then their 20's and start working, they'll learn how to deal better with situations with hearing people. My 2 cents... June Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 In a message dated 09/14/2000 4:49:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, marcusmc@... writes: << So they're gonna force this kid to become > " hearing " despite him being born deaf, i.e., he hasn't experience ANY > HEARING to begin with. >> Oh boy...opening a can of worms here! My view is that if a child is born Deaf, he should be taught sign language and live his life as a Deaf person. I say this because Deaf people have a culture all their own. It starts straight from birth. I'm assuming that the parents and child would learn sign language so that they can communicate. Teaching a Deaf person to speak is not easy. And the chances of learning lip reading without some kind of language base are virtually nil. Most culturally Deaf people are not dummies (though there are a few ). They just need to be with people that know what they're talking about. Then, as they get older, they'll learn how to handle themselves in situations with hearing people. As they mature into their teens and then their 20's and start working, they'll learn how to deal better with situations with hearing people. My 2 cents... June Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 , Marcus, June, and everyone, Coclear Implants or Auditory Brainstem Implants do not restore any hearing that one had before. To my knowledge, they (the implants), only aide in lip reading. Since NF2ers and other late deafened adults have had the experience of sound before, it would benefit them more than the born Deaf person. How would implants aide a Deaf person who never had the experience of sound? Another point was made, that speakng will aide in the education of the Deaf person. As June, pointed out though, learning a langauge such as Sign Language will give the opportunity to the Deaf person that a heaing person has in education. Many of my Deaf professors at CSUN have advanced degrees and seem to be doing fine. I've heard this arguement before, " speaking makes us human and we could teach a monkey to Sign. " Well, we could also teach a parrot to speak. Mark ----Original Message Follows---- From: Boob1188@... Reply-To: NF2_Crewegroups To: NF2_Crewegroups Subject: Re: IMPLANTS ! Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:19:47 EDT In a message dated 09/14/2000 11:34:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ncwaldrip@... writes: << Even if hearing can be restored? >> Hi , I say yes. If you're born a Deaf person, you'll always be a Deaf person. That's who you are. What makes you a person. If you throw the possibility of hearing in there, ten to one, I bet a " born " Deaf person will say " No thanks " . Even now, I would say " no thanks " I became Deaf at the age of 19. I've lived almost half my life as a Deaf person. If, tomorrow, they offered me a cure (which is highly unlikely, even in my lifetime), I would probably say " No thanks " . I am comfortable with who I am and to throw the possibility of hearing in there would just cause utter chaos. So, my vote is " NOPE " . This is probably not a common opinion among us. But, it's the way I feel ) June _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 ----Original Message Follows---- From: Boob1188@... HEAR, HEAR, MARK!<====no pun intended I hope June? =P woka woka woka jk Mark _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 --- Boob1188@... wrote: > > > Oh boy...opening a can of worms here! My view is > that if a child is born > Deaf, he should be taught sign language and live his > life as a Deaf person. > I say this because Deaf people have a culture all > their own. Even if hearing can be restored? __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 --- Boob1188@... wrote: > > > Oh boy...opening a can of worms here! My view is > that if a child is born > Deaf, he should be taught sign language and live his > life as a Deaf person. > I say this because Deaf people have a culture all > their own. Even if hearing can be restored? __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 In a message dated 09/14/2000 11:34:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ncwaldrip@... writes: << Even if hearing can be restored? >> Hi , I say yes. If you're born a Deaf person, you'll always be a Deaf person. That's who you are. What makes you a person. If you throw the possibility of hearing in there, ten to one, I bet a " born " Deaf person will say " No thanks " . Even now, I would say " no thanks " I became Deaf at the age of 19. I've lived almost half my life as a Deaf person. If, tomorrow, they offered me a cure (which is highly unlikely, even in my lifetime), I would probably say " No thanks " . I am comfortable with who I am and to throw the possibility of hearing in there would just cause utter chaos. So, my vote is " NOPE " . This is probably not a common opinion among us. But, it's the way I feel ) June Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 In a message dated 09/14/2000 11:34:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ncwaldrip@... writes: << Even if hearing can be restored? >> Hi , I say yes. If you're born a Deaf person, you'll always be a Deaf person. That's who you are. What makes you a person. If you throw the possibility of hearing in there, ten to one, I bet a " born " Deaf person will say " No thanks " . Even now, I would say " no thanks " I became Deaf at the age of 19. I've lived almost half my life as a Deaf person. If, tomorrow, they offered me a cure (which is highly unlikely, even in my lifetime), I would probably say " No thanks " . I am comfortable with who I am and to throw the possibility of hearing in there would just cause utter chaos. So, my vote is " NOPE " . This is probably not a common opinion among us. But, it's the way I feel ) June Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 HEAR, HEAR, MARK! I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING! June Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 HEAR, HEAR, MARK! I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING! June Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 Mark, creful what you say. I know this is what you, mark, think, but maybe you need to talk to some people who have the CI since a very young age. a few of my sorority sisters have had the CI (coclear implant) since a very younng age and it does alot more than " aide in speechreading " to them, yes a dog barking will sound different than what it would sound like to someone with perfect hearing, however, this is what the CI person knows as " the sound of a dog barking " the ABI also does alot more than aide in speechreading, take my man, Pat. he is a worse lipreader than me and he has had the ABI for some 6 years now. however, he is in the top 10% of success with the ABI. I may be a better lipreader, but I can't hear the phone ring and i can;'t hear if he drops a pan or clanks dishes together, this is what he can hear. Caren ~ who thinks its not up to " deaf culture " to decide how parents raise their children, its up to the parents. In a message dated 9/14/00 7:42:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark_sarmac@... writes: << Coclear Implants or Auditory Brainstem Implants do not restore any hearing that one had before. To my knowledge, they (the implants), only aide in lip reading. Since NF2ers and other late deafened adults have had the experience of sound before, it would benefit them more than the born Deaf person. How would implants aide a Deaf person who never had the experience of sound? >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 Its still a parental thing June. To have your child born deaf would seem like a great tragedy TRUST ME I'm a parent. Have to be careful saying 'BORN DEAF STAY DEAF' cause this can apply to so many other problems. Teachers and doctors are dedicated to try to help people , so do we say thanks, but no thanks ? I know what your saying though there sure is a deaf culture, but Im not part of it. Maybe in a few years the implants will get so good that its just like hearing . I dont envy the parents of these children, its a big deal. I'm just raving here June and Mark, I know what your saying . Better go spend some time with my kids Marcus Re: IMPLANTS ! > HEAR, HEAR, MARK! I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING! > > June > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 Whether it be a Cochlear implant, an Auditory Brainstem implant, or nothing at all. I say to each there own. And sorry Marcus, I do hear some speech with my ABI, but more noises of the environment, of course lip reading helps. The sounds may be different but I can still hear them. This was my choice and I'm glad I went for it. Mikeabi42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 , I just watched a TV program showing the Cochlear Implant where this young man in his early twenties, had been deaf from a very young age. It is obvious that there would have been tests to make sure that the audio nerve was OK before they did the implantation. It showed the operation and the switching on - he never said a thing as he had a stunned look and tears rolling down his face. When he did speak he asked if it could be turned down as it was too loud - then he turned to his mother and said I am just like everyone else now -- normal. So in his mind he must of thought that being deaf was not normal --- and in some ways I agree, as to be normal in the " perfect world " , one must be able to hear - smell - touch, and so on. I also think that all children if born deaf should be assess to see if the audio nerve is working with the view to have a Cochlear Implant so that they might hear early in life and have hearing training before they go to school. I think it is pretty obvious why. Or dare I say, an ABI later when the child's growth has almost or has finished growing. Finally stop worrying about Reagan and just be aware and watchful - YOU - will know if something develops. And " BRO " how long have I got with that prediction I made re; the " NF2 PILL " . . Re: IMPLANTS ! > > --- Boob1188@... wrote: > > > > > > Oh boy...opening a can of worms here! My view is > > that if a child is born > > Deaf, he should be taught sign language and live his > > life as a Deaf person. > > I say this because Deaf people have a culture all > > their own. > > Even if hearing can be restored? > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 Yes Jeff !! Just goes to show what a good SUBJECT line can do HUH !!!! hehe !!!! Marcus Re: IMPLANTS ! > > > > --- Boob1188@... wrote: > > > > > > Oh boy...opening a can of worms here! My view is > > that if a child is born > > Deaf, he should be taught sign language and live his > > life as a Deaf person. > > I say this because Deaf people have a culture all > > their own. > > Even if hearing can be restored? > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 Mark Wrote : Coclear Implants or Auditory Brainstem Implants do not restore any hearing that one had before !!! Marcus wrote ( under the influence) : I KNOW Re: IMPLANTS ! > Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:19:47 EDT > > In a message dated 09/14/2000 11:34:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > ncwaldrip@... writes: > > << Even if hearing can be restored? > > > >> > Hi , > > I say yes. If you're born a Deaf person, you'll always be a Deaf person. > That's who you are. What makes you a person. If you throw the possibility > of hearing in there, ten to one, I bet a " born " Deaf person will say " No > thanks " . Even now, I would say " no thanks " I became Deaf at the age of 19. > I've lived almost half my life as a Deaf person. If, tomorrow, they offered > me a cure (which is highly unlikely, even in my lifetime), I would probably > say " No thanks " . I am comfortable with who I am and to throw the > possibility > of hearing in there would just cause utter chaos. > > So, my vote is " NOPE " . > > This is probably not a common opinion among us. But, it's the way I feel > ) > > June > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 Wrote : then he turned to his mother and said I am just like > everyone else now -- normal. Then Marcus wrote : sob sob sob snifff Re: IMPLANTS ! > > > > > > --- Boob1188@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > Oh boy...opening a can of worms here! My view is > > > that if a child is born > > > Deaf, he should be taught sign language and live his > > > life as a Deaf person. > > > I say this because Deaf people have a culture all > > > their own. > > > > Even if hearing can be restored? > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 Well June !! Hmmm Wasn't meaning to get under your skin here. By saying we LATE DEAFENED have a chance to get an education I was trying to be MIDDLE OF THE ROAD . Not every one achieves academically, so I was just trying to be nice... Am I on the right track here ??? Hope so. Whatever doesn't offend then Id say it if I could think of it.... Totally confused Marcus Re: IMPLANTS ! > In a message dated 09/14/2000 4:49:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > marcusmc@... writes: > > << in most cases get an education to some degree. >> > > HEY MARCUS!!!!! > > I have a BS in Business and a BA in Communications from Gallaudet University > (a University for deaf people in DC). I used the degrees when I worked for > about 6 years before my NF2 problems became detrimental to the job and > possibly my health. Heck, I've met Deaf Drs (not medical, though I suspect > that there will be some some day ) So, Deaf people CAN get " higher " > educations. > > And. NO, they need not be culturally Deaf to do so. > > June > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2000 Report Share Posted September 15, 2000 , Thanks. We actually don't worry about Reagan too much. Well, not as much as it seems, anyway. Deep down, I believe that whatever happens, she will be fine. She's a tough kid. I do want one of those pills, though! --- Cross wrote: > , > > I just watched a TV program showing the Cochlear > Implant where this young > man in his early twenties, had been deaf from a very > young age. It is > obvious that there would have been tests to make > sure that the audio nerve > was OK before they did the implantation. It showed > the operation and the > switching on - he never said a thing as he had a > stunned look and tears > rolling down his face. When he did speak he asked if > it could be turned down > as it was too loud - then he turned to his mother > and said I am just like > everyone else now -- normal. > So in his mind he must of thought that being deaf > was not normal --- and in > some ways I agree, as to be normal in the " perfect > world " , one must be able > to hear - smell - touch, and so on. > I also think that all children if born deaf should > be assess to see if the > audio nerve is working with the view to have a > Cochlear Implant so that they > might hear early in life and have hearing training > before they go to school. > I think it is pretty obvious why. Or dare I say, an > ABI later when the > child's growth has almost or has finished growing. > Finally stop worrying about Reagan and just be aware > and watchful - YOU - > will know if something develops. And " BRO " how long > have I got with that > prediction I made re; the " NF2 PILL " . > . > Re: IMPLANTS ! > > > > > > --- Boob1188@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > Oh boy...opening a can of worms here! My view > is > > > that if a child is born > > > Deaf, he should be taught sign language and live > his > > > life as a Deaf person. > > > I say this because Deaf people have a culture > all > > > their own. > > > > Even if hearing can be restored? > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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