Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Finally. Amounted to getting an agreeable rep at Quest Labs. Copper 817 (600-1100) have been supping 4 mg Magnesium 2.19 (1.65-2.65) 800mg Manganese 36 (12-26) 36 mg Potassium 76 (55-85) ~2000mg Selenium 285 (120-300) 200 mg Zinc 178 (138-245) 0 I sure don't need manganese. Don't need more selenium. Now I can try zinc at night. I was taking copper because a high ferritin can mean it is decr. Dorothy Rest of labs are in the group lab files. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 I have in my notes that the ideal ratio of zinc:copper is 8:1, so you would be " copper dominant " by that measure. But I have also in my notes that 10:1 is best. If the blood tests for these minerals is close to accurate (which is apparently debatable) more zinc and dropping the copper supp entirely might be the way to go? Not saying I know this for sure, just an idea. sol dorothyroeder wrote: > Finally. Amounted to getting an agreeable rep at Quest Labs. > > Copper 817 (600-1100) have been supping 4 mg > Magnesium 2.19 (1.65-2.65) 800mg > Manganese 36 (12-26) 36 mg > Potassium 76 (55-85) ~2000mg > Selenium 285 (120-300) 200 mg > Zinc 178 (138-245) 0 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 I have in my notes that the ideal ratio of zinc:copper is 8:1, so you would be " copper dominant " by that measure. But I have also in my notes that 10:1 is best. If the blood tests for these minerals is close to accurate (which is apparently debatable) more zinc and dropping the copper supp entirely might be the way to go? Not saying I know this for sure, just an idea. sol dorothyroeder wrote: > Finally. Amounted to getting an agreeable rep at Quest Labs. > > Copper 817 (600-1100) have been supping 4 mg > Magnesium 2.19 (1.65-2.65) 800mg > Manganese 36 (12-26) 36 mg > Potassium 76 (55-85) ~2000mg > Selenium 285 (120-300) 200 mg > Zinc 178 (138-245) 0 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Can you tell me where you are gettign the copper supps? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Can you tell me where you are gettign the copper supps? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Dorothy looking at your labs this AM are you supplementing potassium and sea salt? Your sodium is bottom of range all the time! And from looking at your new labs just piosted here, the RBC values I would say the piotassium may come uo even more,. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Dorothy looking at your labs this AM are you supplementing potassium and sea salt? Your sodium is bottom of range all the time! And from looking at your new labs just piosted here, the RBC values I would say the piotassium may come uo even more,. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 > Can you tell me where you are gettign the copper supps? Yes. My local HFS.It is Solaray, copper, 2 mg, amino acid chelate. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 > Can you tell me where you are gettign the copper supps? Yes. My local HFS.It is Solaray, copper, 2 mg, amino acid chelate. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 > Can you tell me where you are gettign the copper supps? Yes. My local HFS.It is Solaray, copper, 2 mg, amino acid chelate. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 > Dorothy looking at your labs this AM are you supplementing potassium and > sea salt? Your sodium is bottom of range all the time! And from looking > at your new labs just piosted here, the RBC values I would say the > piotassium may come uo even more,. I am supping K like mad. Now you have me completely confused about the sodium. I stopped the sodium bicarb because it was making the edema and breathlessness worse. I salt my food, but that is all. Trying again to get ide. Is that a good idea. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 > Dorothy looking at your labs this AM are you supplementing potassium and > sea salt? Your sodium is bottom of range all the time! And from looking > at your new labs just piosted here, the RBC values I would say the > piotassium may come uo even more,. I am supping K like mad. Now you have me completely confused about the sodium. I stopped the sodium bicarb because it was making the edema and breathlessness worse. I salt my food, but that is all. Trying again to get ide. Is that a good idea. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 > Dorothy looking at your labs this AM are you supplementing potassium and > sea salt? Your sodium is bottom of range all the time! And from looking > at your new labs just piosted here, the RBC values I would say the > piotassium may come uo even more,. I am supping K like mad. Now you have me completely confused about the sodium. I stopped the sodium bicarb because it was making the edema and breathlessness worse. I salt my food, but that is all. Trying again to get ide. Is that a good idea. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OK I just looked again at your labs and your last potassium was 4.6 which I think can still come up, and sodium 140 which DOES NEED TO COME UP. It is possible now that you are on T3 that you need less HC. Are you having any low cortisl symptoms? Missing doses wihtout feeling it? It was not long after I cleared out my RT3 that my adrneals VERY suddenly healed and started producing their on cortils in spite of th high HC dose I was on. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OK I just looked again at your labs and your last potassium was 4.6 which I think can still come up, and sodium 140 which DOES NEED TO COME UP. It is possible now that you are on T3 that you need less HC. Are you having any low cortisl symptoms? Missing doses wihtout feeling it? It was not long after I cleared out my RT3 that my adrneals VERY suddenly healed and started producing their on cortils in spite of th high HC dose I was on. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 OK I just looked again at your labs and your last potassium was 4.6 which I think can still come up, and sodium 140 which DOES NEED TO COME UP. It is possible now that you are on T3 that you need less HC. Are you having any low cortisl symptoms? Missing doses wihtout feeling it? It was not long after I cleared out my RT3 that my adrneals VERY suddenly healed and started producing their on cortils in spite of th high HC dose I was on. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 > It is possible now that you are on T3 that you need less HC. Are you > having any low cortisl symptoms? Yes, shaky in the morning. went back up to 42.5. Things were improving until I got that infection and had to go back up on HC. >Missing doses wihtout feeling it? Not for the last few days. Edema and out-of-breath worse. More hypo lately. dry skin, finger tips cracked, depressed, wiped, tired, muddle headed, achy joints. Went back up to 88mcg T3. rising temp 96.8, occ 97.2, daily average 97.9, base HR 68. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 What brand of T3 are you taking? I am thinking either weak T3 or too mugh HC from your symtpoms. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 > What brand of T3 are you taking? I am thinking either weak T3 or too > mugh HC from your symtpoms. Good old prescription Cytomel. On Feb 20 I was on 100 mcg Cytomel LA and started decr HC because I felt my adrenals were better. I decr T3 to 88 when I was down to 32 mg HC. I got down to 17.5 when I got the infection and went back up. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 > So when you switche dfom Cytomel LA to regular Cyutomel could thta have > been when your issues started gettign worse? The LA Pharma brand of T3 i > found pretty weak compared to regular Cytomel. I didn't really feel much difference at all. I have been having the shortness of breath for much longer than that. The aching hips got much worse when I tried progest cream for a week. Then I started some krill oil which made it really bad, till Patty mentioned that it has Vit E in it which always does that to me. The edema I have had since starting HC. But did not change much when I decr. The diuretic did help with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 > So when you switche dfom Cytomel LA to regular Cyutomel could thta have > been when your issues started gettign worse? The LA Pharma brand of T3 i > found pretty weak compared to regular Cytomel. I didn't really feel much difference at all. I have been having the shortness of breath for much longer than that. The aching hips got much worse when I tried progest cream for a week. Then I started some krill oil which made it really bad, till Patty mentioned that it has Vit E in it which always does that to me. The edema I have had since starting HC. But did not change much when I decr. The diuretic did help with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Well the differnce fo rmy cat was LA Pharma brand 300mcg daily and Cynomel 200mcg daily. So that is a big potency differnce. Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Well the differnce fo rmy cat was LA Pharma brand 300mcg daily and Cynomel 200mcg daily. So that is a big potency differnce. Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 > Well the differnce fo rmy cat was LA Pharma brand 300mcg daily and Cynomel > 200mcg daily. So that is a big potency differnce. Well, what can I say except I'm not your cat? My heart rate did not change, I didn't feel jittery, have more trouble sleeping, temp inrc, nothing. The edema slowly improved, but I started the diruetic at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 > Well the differnce fo rmy cat was LA Pharma brand 300mcg daily and Cynomel > 200mcg daily. So that is a big potency differnce. Well, what can I say except I'm not your cat? My heart rate did not change, I didn't feel jittery, have more trouble sleeping, temp inrc, nothing. The edema slowly improved, but I started the diruetic at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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