Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 I am having the exact same thing happen to me. I feel more tired and like im going to pass out. I also feel nauseous and have a high heart rate but I have low temps. Im really confused. > > I haven't posted for awhile. Been taking 50-75 mg T3 since about January, so it's been about 12 weeks. My RT3, T3 ratio was 16 so I thought the T3 would clear out the RT3. I've also been taking about 15-20mg HC along with it, spacing it out around 8 am, noon, and 6. During this time, I've really not felt much different. Pretty much the same energy-wise -- low. Able to get through a full day of work, but don't feel like doing anything in the evening except sit and go easy on the weekends. I thought maybe I'd see a little increase in energy, not have that awful morning fog, and maybe stop the hair loss and maybe even shed a pound or two, But haven't seen any of that. The morning fog is terrible unless I take a caffeine pill and I know that isn't good for the adrenals. My temp seems to have stayed around 97.7 or so -- the same as before I started the T3. Raising the HC seems to cause too much weight gain, so I've only gone to 20 mg max. > > The past few days, and today, I felt much more tired than usual -- almost felt like I might even pass out today (but I was in a meeting and the room was a little warm). Plus, I'm feeling sad and depressed and could easily cry. So, something seems to have changed. > > I'm waiting on the results of a saliva test to see where my cortisol, progesterone, estrogen and DHEA levels are. But I'm also due for a blood test, but I need to wait till I feel a little better or I will definitely pass out -- I'm not good at blood tests anyway. > > What I'm wondering is, can these type symptoms occur if I have so completely cleared out the T4 that now I am even more hypothyroid? But shouldn't the T3 be helping that? I've never had any racing heart or anything while taking the T3. No real increase in energy or anything. I'm wondering if I should start taking Armour again (I have some here)in order to get some T4, T2, T1, etc. back. > > Has anyone had a similar experience when on T3 only for about 3 months, or any thoughts on what might be going on? > > Thanks for any help. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 I am having the exact same thing happen to me. I feel more tired and like im going to pass out. I also feel nauseous and have a high heart rate but I have low temps. Im really confused. > > I haven't posted for awhile. Been taking 50-75 mg T3 since about January, so it's been about 12 weeks. My RT3, T3 ratio was 16 so I thought the T3 would clear out the RT3. I've also been taking about 15-20mg HC along with it, spacing it out around 8 am, noon, and 6. During this time, I've really not felt much different. Pretty much the same energy-wise -- low. Able to get through a full day of work, but don't feel like doing anything in the evening except sit and go easy on the weekends. I thought maybe I'd see a little increase in energy, not have that awful morning fog, and maybe stop the hair loss and maybe even shed a pound or two, But haven't seen any of that. The morning fog is terrible unless I take a caffeine pill and I know that isn't good for the adrenals. My temp seems to have stayed around 97.7 or so -- the same as before I started the T3. Raising the HC seems to cause too much weight gain, so I've only gone to 20 mg max. > > The past few days, and today, I felt much more tired than usual -- almost felt like I might even pass out today (but I was in a meeting and the room was a little warm). Plus, I'm feeling sad and depressed and could easily cry. So, something seems to have changed. > > I'm waiting on the results of a saliva test to see where my cortisol, progesterone, estrogen and DHEA levels are. But I'm also due for a blood test, but I need to wait till I feel a little better or I will definitely pass out -- I'm not good at blood tests anyway. > > What I'm wondering is, can these type symptoms occur if I have so completely cleared out the T4 that now I am even more hypothyroid? But shouldn't the T3 be helping that? I've never had any racing heart or anything while taking the T3. No real increase in energy or anything. I'm wondering if I should start taking Armour again (I have some here)in order to get some T4, T2, T1, etc. back. > > Has anyone had a similar experience when on T3 only for about 3 months, or any thoughts on what might be going on? > > Thanks for any help. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 I am having the exact same thing happen to me. I feel more tired and like im going to pass out. I also feel nauseous and have a high heart rate but I have low temps. Im really confused. > > I haven't posted for awhile. Been taking 50-75 mg T3 since about January, so it's been about 12 weeks. My RT3, T3 ratio was 16 so I thought the T3 would clear out the RT3. I've also been taking about 15-20mg HC along with it, spacing it out around 8 am, noon, and 6. During this time, I've really not felt much different. Pretty much the same energy-wise -- low. Able to get through a full day of work, but don't feel like doing anything in the evening except sit and go easy on the weekends. I thought maybe I'd see a little increase in energy, not have that awful morning fog, and maybe stop the hair loss and maybe even shed a pound or two, But haven't seen any of that. The morning fog is terrible unless I take a caffeine pill and I know that isn't good for the adrenals. My temp seems to have stayed around 97.7 or so -- the same as before I started the T3. Raising the HC seems to cause too much weight gain, so I've only gone to 20 mg max. > > The past few days, and today, I felt much more tired than usual -- almost felt like I might even pass out today (but I was in a meeting and the room was a little warm). Plus, I'm feeling sad and depressed and could easily cry. So, something seems to have changed. > > I'm waiting on the results of a saliva test to see where my cortisol, progesterone, estrogen and DHEA levels are. But I'm also due for a blood test, but I need to wait till I feel a little better or I will definitely pass out -- I'm not good at blood tests anyway. > > What I'm wondering is, can these type symptoms occur if I have so completely cleared out the T4 that now I am even more hypothyroid? But shouldn't the T3 be helping that? I've never had any racing heart or anything while taking the T3. No real increase in energy or anything. I'm wondering if I should start taking Armour again (I have some here)in order to get some T4, T2, T1, etc. back. > > Has anyone had a similar experience when on T3 only for about 3 months, or any thoughts on what might be going on? > > Thanks for any help. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 75mcg is a pretty minimal dose of T3 right now I am taking 150mcg .. so deoending on what brand you ar taking you may just need more. Or you may need more HC but it sounds liek you are just low in T3 still -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 high heart rate and low temps sounds adrenal not lwo thyroid. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 high heart rate and low temps sounds adrenal not lwo thyroid. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 high heart rate and low temps sounds adrenal not lwo thyroid. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 I'm kind of afraid to go higher and feel worse, or I won't be able to work. Is it possible it has cleared out all my T4, T2, T1 and my body is missing that? I wonder why I could take the T3 for three months and now all of a sudden feel so much more hypo. > > 75mcg is a pretty minimal dose of T3 right now I am taking 150mcg .. so > deoending on what brand you ar taking you may just need more. Or you may > need more HC but it sounds liek you are just low in T3 still > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 I'm kind of afraid to go higher and feel worse, or I won't be able to work. Is it possible it has cleared out all my T4, T2, T1 and my body is missing that? I wonder why I could take the T3 for three months and now all of a sudden feel so much more hypo. > > 75mcg is a pretty minimal dose of T3 right now I am taking 150mcg .. so > deoending on what brand you ar taking you may just need more. Or you may > need more HC but it sounds liek you are just low in T3 still > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 I'm kind of afraid to go higher and feel worse, or I won't be able to work. Is it possible it has cleared out all my T4, T2, T1 and my body is missing that? I wonder why I could take the T3 for three months and now all of a sudden feel so much more hypo. > > 75mcg is a pretty minimal dose of T3 right now I am taking 150mcg .. so > deoending on what brand you ar taking you may just need more. Or you may > need more HC but it sounds liek you are just low in T3 still > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 T2 and T1 are made from T3 so t4 is the only thing missing. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 T2 and T1 are made from T3 so t4 is the only thing missing. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Val, Have you ever come across any instances where when someone has cleared out the RT3 (and all the T4 I'm guessing) that they then do better on both the T3 and T4 in Armour? I know some people say they do well on straight T3, but I'm just wondering if some people need some T4 along with the T3. Thanks. > > T2 and T1 are made from T3 so t4 is the only thing missing. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Val, Have you ever come across any instances where when someone has cleared out the RT3 (and all the T4 I'm guessing) that they then do better on both the T3 and T4 in Armour? I know some people say they do well on straight T3, but I'm just wondering if some people need some T4 along with the T3. Thanks. > > T2 and T1 are made from T3 so t4 is the only thing missing. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Sorry to butt in here! I didn't know t1 and t2 are made from t3. Is it like t4 to t3 where you have to be able to convert it and if you are a poor converter the t3 won't help with the t1 and t2? In theory if people are able to convert t4 to t3 then would they also use that t3 to make t2 and t1. Would people on synthetic t4 do this? Sorry for all of the questions. It just seems like another argument to stay on t3 only if it is working for me. I wouldn't have the storage form, but I'd be getting the other thyoid things I thought I needed to go back to armour to get and I also wouldn't be risking making rt3 again. Thanks, > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Sorry to butt in here! I didn't know t1 and t2 are made from t3. Is it like t4 to t3 where you have to be able to convert it and if you are a poor converter the t3 won't help with the t1 and t2? In theory if people are able to convert t4 to t3 then would they also use that t3 to make t2 and t1. Would people on synthetic t4 do this? Sorry for all of the questions. It just seems like another argument to stay on t3 only if it is working for me. I wouldn't have the storage form, but I'd be getting the other thyoid things I thought I needed to go back to armour to get and I also wouldn't be risking making rt3 again. Thanks, > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Some people do seem to need the steadiness of T4 to have that back up converiosn. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 It is differnt diodinase process that converts T3 to T2 and T1. I have stil head of resistance that does nto respond to T3 but it si very rare. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 I tried Armour maybe 6 months or more ago and felt more tired and was taking 20 mgs HC with it with weight gain and water retention. Had a blood test that we figured my RT3 ratio was 16 so I've been doing the T3 for about 12 weeks. My pulse is usually around 70 and daytime temps about 97.7 (maybe 97.2 when I get up). I guess I was hoping after 12 weeks to clear the RT3 and maybe be able to try the Armour again since the darn T3 is $93 for a month supply and the Armour is less. How often do you have to keep raising the T3? How do you know if once you've cleared the RT3 Armour isn't better for you. I'm just real confused right now. > > Diane this sounds liek you have just gone more hypo than you were before > and would indicate a need for an increase. Please refresh me how long > you have been on T3 and off Amrour and your pulse and temps? > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Any idea what causes the body to need more T3 if you are already getting more than you had before and you've cleared out a lot of the T4? I'll give it a try. I need to leave for work now. Will check in later today. Thank you. > > Both pulse and temps show you are still hypo. You can increase T3 every > 3-5 days once you have clared the T4 and RT3 which should be pretty much > gone by now IF you are high enough on T3 to stop your OWN production of > T4. If you are stil making T4 it is possinble you arestill making RT3 > which si why you need to go high enough with T3 onyl to lower TSH to zilch. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 How much Armour are you taking? Venizia > > My RT3 was very high two months ago. I was on the so-called *wonder drug* synthetic T4 for 24 years. I was cold, depressed, gaining so much weight, and feeling tired all the time. I had an RT3/FT3 ration of 8. > > I started on Armour and over a few weeks my temps came up and my energy levels increased. I have only taken Armour, no T3. I feel fine. I actually feel ike a normal functioning human being. My temperatures are normal. I feel " normal " . I feel as though my mood has lifted, but it's hard to put into words. I definitely don't feel depressed. Two weeks ago my FT3 was in the upper range and my TSH was very low. And I feel very good. > > I've been on a herbal adrenal support for the past two weeks. I honestly don't feel any difference on this, but will keep taking it and have my DHEAS checked in two months time. The only other supplements I've been taking are ferritin tablets, again since two weeks ago. > > Please note that my temperatures started coming up before starting the adrenal support and ferritin tablets. > > I am getting RT3 and everything else tested in two months time. I'll put my results on here, see what my RT3 and FT3 ratio is. I feel a thousand times better than I did last year.. > > I hope this helps, > > Adrienne > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: RT3_T3 > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:54:58 AM > Subject: Re: Any thoughts? > > > > > > Val, > > Have you ever come across any instances where when someone has cleared out the RT3 (and all the T4 I'm guessing) that they then do better on both the T3 and T4 in Armour? I know some people say they do well on straight T3, but I'm just wondering if some people need some T4 along with the T3. > > Thanks.Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 I did nto say you should not raise it until the T4 is gone, but you should not raise it MUCH ABOVE 75mcg which si usually enough to lower T4 where ti is not causing RT3 thne you only have T3 that is affecting temps and pulse and NO converision from T4. With your very low TSH your T4 os proabbly as supressed as ti CAN be and you would be fine to raise by poulse and temps. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 So, I have wondered if my high Ft4 was causing MY Rt3. If I was able to lower the Ft4 by not taking so much Armour (2 grains) which I know is not a lot but I am very sensitive to meds, would I possibly be able to reduce the Rt3 or do I still need to take just T3? My Ft4 was 1.57 with a range of .089 - 1.76. I know Ferritin is not my problem. That is 125. I have been told by two doctors and a ACTH that it is not my adrenals and judging by how bad I felt on HC no matter what dose I took and I was up to 27mg and looked terrible with water retention and felt terrible that adrenals are not my problem. Venizia Venizia Venizia > > Adriene you will be the first I have seen that cleared RT3 wihtout going > on T3 only. How much Armoru are you on? I suspect for you, that high T4 > was your CAUSE fo your Rt3 to begin with, for most of us it si not, it > is often from lwo ferritin or low or high cortisol. Harder things to > correct while on Armour. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Ok Thanks. You DID say that you can increase T3 every 3-5 days once you have cleared the T4 though, when you were responding to some one. So I am thinking that we should not increase anymore than 3-5 days while still having T4 in our system? Gosh Val, I am sorry for all these questions. I just want to do the right thing to get well and am so glad you are here. Don't want to misinterpret anything. Venizia > > I did nto say you should not raise it until the T4 is gone, but you > should not raise it MUCH ABOVE 75mcg which si usually enough to lower T4 > where ti is not causing RT3 thne you only have T3 that is affecting > temps and pulse and NO converision from T4. With your very low TSH your > T4 os proabbly as supressed as ti CAN be and you would be fine to raise > by poulse and temps. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 You can certainyl try it. I tried all kinds of doses of amroru and thne Armoru with T3 and sill could not get rid of my RT3 but I did have many other issues that could have contributed to it. Seems liek when ever FT4 is over 1.4 Rt3 starts building too high. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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