Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Val, I am currently taking SRT3(my doc treats for s).... I am due to reorder my meds and have a question....I had been on 2 previous protocol cycles(and felt better)....but each time I went back on Armour I started having RT3 issues again...We think I have periphial conversion issues and probably need to stay on T3 only... Anyway, my doc is suggesting that after I finish my plateau phase( 4 weeks of 150 mcgs,taking 75 mcg every 12 hrs) that I ramp down 7.5-15 mcgs and hold that dose for 2 weeks, and then ramp down again and then stay indefinately at 90 mcgs, 45 mcgs every 12 hrs).... I know that 4 weeks is not enough time to have cleared my receptors, but if I am going to be staying on SRT3 for the next yr, will ramping down to 45mcgs every 12 hrs(90 total) be enough to finish the job and then to keep me feeling well?? My doc seems to think so and I am not so sure I agree... Do you think I need to at least do another 4 weeks on the 150 mcgs? And how fast do I ramp down once my RT3 is cleared and what dose of SRT3 is needed by most to continue to feel well? Thanks in advance for you help!! Beth J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 I would say you need to go to the 90mcg and see what your temps are. And pulse. While that would be a high dose of regualr T3 it may not be high enough with SR. Hard to say and would depend on the product and how it is made and your digestion. You also shoudl do an AM cortisoltest as well as ferritin testing to see if either of those are causing you to return to high RT3 mode. My own issues with high AM cortil I believe are what prevent me from going bakc to Armour successfully. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 I would say you need to go to the 90mcg and see what your temps are. And pulse. While that would be a high dose of regualr T3 it may not be high enough with SR. Hard to say and would depend on the product and how it is made and your digestion. You also shoudl do an AM cortisoltest as well as ferritin testing to see if either of those are causing you to return to high RT3 mode. My own issues with high AM cortil I believe are what prevent me from going bakc to Armour successfully. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Hi , Thanks for responding! Just a few clarifications.... what is SR? And by AM cortisol test, do you mean a morning test? My ferritin a month ago was 44 ug/L. I have been taking iron tablets since (not with the Armour though). I am currently on an Armour dose of 315mg per day (split between morning and early afternoon). I have to go out now, but will look up when I get back home from the shops how much T3 is in that dose of Armour. Arghh it's confusing. Adrienne To: RT3_T3 Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 11:09:47 AMSubject: Re: Question/SRT3 I would say you need to go to the 90mcg and see what your temps are. And pulse. While that would be a high dose of regualr T3 it may not be high enough with SR. Hard to say and would depend on the product and how it is made and your digestion. You also shoudl do an AM cortisoltest as well as ferritin testing to see if either of those are causing you to return to high RT3 mode. My own issues with high AM cortil I believe are what prevent me from going bakc to Armour successfully.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WVhttp://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Hi , Thanks for responding! Just a few clarifications.... what is SR? And by AM cortisol test, do you mean a morning test? My ferritin a month ago was 44 ug/L. I have been taking iron tablets since (not with the Armour though). I am currently on an Armour dose of 315mg per day (split between morning and early afternoon). I have to go out now, but will look up when I get back home from the shops how much T3 is in that dose of Armour. Arghh it's confusing. Adrienne To: RT3_T3 Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 11:09:47 AMSubject: Re: Question/SRT3 I would say you need to go to the 90mcg and see what your temps are. And pulse. While that would be a high dose of regualr T3 it may not be high enough with SR. Hard to say and would depend on the product and how it is made and your digestion. You also shoudl do an AM cortisoltest as well as ferritin testing to see if either of those are causing you to return to high RT3 mode. My own issues with high AM cortil I believe are what prevent me from going bakc to Armour successfully.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WVhttp://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Val, I would welcome your thoughts on this. I'm confused at present, and information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Adrienne _____________________________________________ Thanks ka. How do you calculate the ratio?I will copy this to Val also.I should probably clarify - my FT3 before I started on Armour 7 weeks ago was 4.1 That is when my RT3 was 504 (range 140 - 540), and ferritin was 44ug/L (range 15-200), and DHEAS 3.2 (range 2.0 - 11.0).Now my FT3 is 7.5, and I won't get the RT3 tested for another three months. When I saw the doctor last week he put me on iron tablets and the adrenal herbal tablets called AdrenoTone (contains winter cherry, liquorice, siberian ginseng, korean ginseng, tyrosine). I will be interested to see what my ferritin and DHEAS is in three months when I have the next lot of blood tests.I spoke to the compound chemist this morning and he told me that about a quarter of the dessicated thyroid product he gives me is T3.. As I'm on 315mg a day, that would make about 80mg of T3. (?) I know there's a conversion factor also, but am not that well educated on this subject yet to be able to quote that!This is so confusing... .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2009 Report Share Posted April 17, 2009 Val, I would welcome your thoughts on this. I'm confused at present, and information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Adrienne _____________________________________________ Thanks ka. How do you calculate the ratio?I will copy this to Val also.I should probably clarify - my FT3 before I started on Armour 7 weeks ago was 4.1 That is when my RT3 was 504 (range 140 - 540), and ferritin was 44ug/L (range 15-200), and DHEAS 3.2 (range 2.0 - 11.0).Now my FT3 is 7.5, and I won't get the RT3 tested for another three months. When I saw the doctor last week he put me on iron tablets and the adrenal herbal tablets called AdrenoTone (contains winter cherry, liquorice, siberian ginseng, korean ginseng, tyrosine). I will be interested to see what my ferritin and DHEAS is in three months when I have the next lot of blood tests.I spoke to the compound chemist this morning and he told me that about a quarter of the dessicated thyroid product he gives me is T3.. As I'm on 315mg a day, that would make about 80mg of T3. (?) I know there's a conversion factor also, but am not that well educated on this subject yet to be able to quote that!This is so confusing... .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 SR stands for Slow release or Time Release, same thing. Your Ferritin may still be too low for your body tio utilize thyriod properly causing some hyper symptoms and efinitely enough to cause a return of RT3 issues. In 315mg Armoru there is 50.5mcg T3. That should be your starting dose, but with SR T3 you may feel hypo very quickly on this as many people lose much of those products to digestion. But I would not rush it by starting on a higher dose as you need to raise Ferritin with that dose so your body can use it correctly. Yes AM cortisol is a morning cortils and should be done as close to 8AM as you can manage. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 SR stands for Slow release or Time Release, same thing. Your Ferritin may still be too low for your body tio utilize thyriod properly causing some hyper symptoms and efinitely enough to cause a return of RT3 issues. In 315mg Armoru there is 50.5mcg T3. That should be your starting dose, but with SR T3 you may feel hypo very quickly on this as many people lose much of those products to digestion. But I would not rush it by starting on a higher dose as you need to raise Ferritin with that dose so your body can use it correctly. Yes AM cortisol is a morning cortils and should be done as close to 8AM as you can manage. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Thanks Val. I'm not on a slow release T3, just the Armour. And I started taking one iron tablet a day when I first started on Armour seven weeks ago. I haven't had ferritin levels checked since, I'd imagine it's come up since then. Is having enough T3 the way to get rid of RT3? My T3 is high now (7.5). Should I stay on the Armour dose of 315mg, or take T3 instead? My doctor hasn't even mentioned that, but having read so much about bad doctors lately I tend to take whatever I'm told by the medical profession with a grain of salt. SR stands for Slow release or Time Release, same thing. Your Ferritin may still be too low for your body tio utilize thyriod properly causing some hyper symptoms and efinitely enough to cause a return of RT3 issues. In 315mg Armoru there is 50.5mcg T3. That should be your starting dose, but with SR T3 you may feel hypo very quickly on this as many people lose much of those products to digestion. But I would not rush it by starting on a higher dose as you need to raise Ferritin with that dose so your body can use it correctly.Yes AM cortisol is a morning cortils and should be done as close to 8AM as you can manage.-- .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Thanks Val. I'm not on a slow release T3, just the Armour. And I started taking one iron tablet a day when I first started on Armour seven weeks ago. I haven't had ferritin levels checked since, I'd imagine it's come up since then. Is having enough T3 the way to get rid of RT3? My T3 is high now (7.5). Should I stay on the Armour dose of 315mg, or take T3 instead? My doctor hasn't even mentioned that, but having read so much about bad doctors lately I tend to take whatever I'm told by the medical profession with a grain of salt. SR stands for Slow release or Time Release, same thing. Your Ferritin may still be too low for your body tio utilize thyriod properly causing some hyper symptoms and efinitely enough to cause a return of RT3 issues. In 315mg Armoru there is 50.5mcg T3. That should be your starting dose, but with SR T3 you may feel hypo very quickly on this as many people lose much of those products to digestion. But I would not rush it by starting on a higher dose as you need to raise Ferritin with that dose so your body can use it correctly.Yes AM cortisol is a morning cortils and should be done as close to 8AM as you can manage.-- .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 7 weeks on one iron tablet a day is probably not nearly enough ot bring it up. Usually it takes several months even at 150-200mg elemental iron a day. Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 7 weeks on one iron tablet a day is probably not nearly enough ot bring it up. Usually it takes several months even at 150-200mg elemental iron a day. Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 High T3 is not how you clear out RT3, it is by taking JUST T3 which lowers the T4 in your body and THAT lowers RT3 as it is the prohormone it is made from. I owuld ask to og to JUST T3 and if it were me I woudl try to gowiht regular, not SR T3. Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 High T3 is not how you clear out RT3, it is by taking JUST T3 which lowers the T4 in your body and THAT lowers RT3 as it is the prohormone it is made from. I owuld ask to og to JUST T3 and if it were me I woudl try to gowiht regular, not SR T3. Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 I understand, thank you for explaining. So T4 converts into both T3 and RT3. I will make another appointment with my doctor and speak to him about this. He seemed to know about s, but I'm now wondering why he has kept me on Armour when my FT3 level was so high. If he knows that T4 can still change to FT3, then why hasn't he put me on T3? Even the chemist I saw this morning told me that his patients with s go onto slow release T3 - and he gave me a photocopy about s, which is hard to understand, but stipulates treatment with T3 only. If only you were a doctor Val and you lived in Sydney......!! To: RT3_T3 Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:29:26 PMSubject: Re: Question/SRT3 High T3 is not how you clear out RT3, it is by taking JUST T3 which lowers the T4 in your body and THAT lowers RT3 as it is the prohormone it is made from. I owuld ask to og to JUST T3 and if it were me I woudl try to gowiht regular, not SR T3. Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/ http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 I understand, thank you for explaining. So T4 converts into both T3 and RT3. I will make another appointment with my doctor and speak to him about this. He seemed to know about s, but I'm now wondering why he has kept me on Armour when my FT3 level was so high. If he knows that T4 can still change to FT3, then why hasn't he put me on T3? Even the chemist I saw this morning told me that his patients with s go onto slow release T3 - and he gave me a photocopy about s, which is hard to understand, but stipulates treatment with T3 only. If only you were a doctor Val and you lived in Sydney......!! To: RT3_T3 Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:29:26 PMSubject: Re: Question/SRT3 High T3 is not how you clear out RT3, it is by taking JUST T3 which lowers the T4 in your body and THAT lowers RT3 as it is the prohormone it is made from. I owuld ask to og to JUST T3 and if it were me I woudl try to gowiht regular, not SR T3. Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/ http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/ http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 MANY doctors so no tunderstand how ot clear out RT3. This si not 's per se. ;s is ramopig uop T3 ot capture temps which is not the real reason it works..LOL With Wilsopn;s treatment the T3 is then ramped back down adn they hoipe the temps hold. Which they seldom do as ther is no cure for hypothyroidism except in cases where it really is JUST from highRt3 which I imagine is seldom as I have not ever seen it. Most of us have Hashi;s and that will nto be cured by T3 but the symptoms can be totally gone wiht the right treatment that continues for life. Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 MANY doctors so no tunderstand how ot clear out RT3. This si not 's per se. ;s is ramopig uop T3 ot capture temps which is not the real reason it works..LOL With Wilsopn;s treatment the T3 is then ramped back down adn they hoipe the temps hold. Which they seldom do as ther is no cure for hypothyroidism except in cases where it really is JUST from highRt3 which I imagine is seldom as I have not ever seen it. Most of us have Hashi;s and that will nto be cured by T3 but the symptoms can be totally gone wiht the right treatment that continues for life. Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 My thyroid stopped working 24 years ago due to autoimmune illness.. I was never told I had Hashimoto's disease. I was just always told I have a non-functioning thyroid. But my blood tests from two months ago show a high Thyroid Peroxidase Ab of 88 (range 0-35) and the lab results said "high level of thyroid peroxidase antibodies are characteristic of hashimoto's disease".... so I'm wondering if this is what I've always had. If so, why didn't my endocrinologist of 24 years ever tell me??? So when you say "the right treatment that continues for life" does that mean a period on T3 alone, and then Armour thyroid? Sorry to keep bugging you, I've learnt so much from you, a big thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 My thyroid stopped working 24 years ago due to autoimmune illness.. I was never told I had Hashimoto's disease. I was just always told I have a non-functioning thyroid. But my blood tests from two months ago show a high Thyroid Peroxidase Ab of 88 (range 0-35) and the lab results said "high level of thyroid peroxidase antibodies are characteristic of hashimoto's disease".... so I'm wondering if this is what I've always had. If so, why didn't my endocrinologist of 24 years ever tell me??? So when you say "the right treatment that continues for life" does that mean a period on T3 alone, and then Armour thyroid? Sorry to keep bugging you, I've learnt so much from you, a big thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Is there a for sure way to know if you have hashis or not? Any blood tests besides antibodies? > > Maybe you should have antibodies tested so you know,. No sense gettign > hopes up and thne going VERY hypothyroid if you have Hashi's,,, But > negative antibodies doe snot PORVE you do nto have Hashi's just thta it > isnlt active at the moment. Mne have come & gone over the years several > times. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Is there a for sure way to know if you have hashis or not? Any blood tests besides antibodies? > > Maybe you should have antibodies tested so you know,. No sense gettign > hopes up and thne going VERY hypothyroid if you have Hashi's,,, But > negative antibodies doe snot PORVE you do nto have Hashi's just thta it > isnlt active at the moment. Mne have come & gone over the years several > times. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Is there a for sure way to know if you have hashis or not? Any blood tests besides antibodies? > > Maybe you should have antibodies tested so you know,. No sense gettign > hopes up and thne going VERY hypothyroid if you have Hashi's,,, But > negative antibodies doe snot PORVE you do nto have Hashi's just thta it > isnlt active at the moment. Mne have come & gone over the years several > times. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Your story is very similar to mine. I was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes when I was 15 (I went down to 35 kilos) and a few years later was told my thyroid didn't work. Strange how these two illnesses come hand in hand. To: RT3_T3 Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:48:33 AMSubject: Re: Question/SRT3 I am curious about this because I was never told what type of thyroid disease I had. I was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes when I was 12 and that's when the doctors checked my TSH and saw it was high but they didn't put me on medicine until a year later, and of course it was synthroid. I had my thyroid antibodies tested recently and they were negative. The new doctor I am going to now has a theory about my thyroid problem, he thinks when I was diagnosed with diabetes my body went through stress and I had high sugars which made my body think I was starving so it slowed down my body functions by converting T4 into reverse T3. He thinks there's a possibility that I might be able to fix my thyroid and get off thyroid meds after I clear my reverse T3 and slowly lower my T3 like you described. I hope it works but if it doesn't I'll probably end up staying on T3. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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