Re: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

[Guest guest]

I've been waiting for this study!

Thanks for shraing.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN, CSG

A dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin

" People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary

Road)

To: rd-usa

From: drowell@...

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:19:40 +0000

Subject: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

November 9, 2011 2:51 PM

Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

By

Jaslow<http://www.cbsnews.com/2102-504763_162-57321659.html?contributor=10470092\

>

[Description: salt, sodium, salt shaker, stock, 4x3](Credit: istockphoto)

(CBS) Cutting back on salt might not be all it's cracked up to be for heart

health. A new study suggests reducing dietary salt intake may actually raise

several risk factors for heart disease.

" I can't really see, if you look at the total evidence, that there is any reason

to believe there is a net benefit of decreasing sodium intake in the general

population, " study author Dr. Niels Graudal, a senior consultant at Copenhagen

University Hospital in Denmark, told

Reuters<http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/09/us-salt-health-idUSTRE7A84HS20\

111109>.

Previous research has shown that cutting back on salt lowers blood pressure, so

it has long been assumed that reducing sodium would also prevent cardiovascular

disease and stroke. To find out for sure, researchers reviewed 167 salt studies,

but looked at other factors related to heart health besides blood pressure.

What did the researchers uncover? Reducing salt intake did lower blood pressure

as expected, but it caused a 2.5 percent increase in cholesterol and a 7 percent

increase triglycerides. The researchers also found dietary salt reduction caused

kidneys to produce more enzymes and hormones that regulate the body's salt

levels, which in turn cause the body to retain more salt. All these increases

were considered significant, and could be harmful for cardiovascular health, the

researchers said.

The researchers' bottom line?

" In my opinion, people should generally not worry about their salt intake, "

Graudal told HealthDay<http://consumer.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=658737>.

The findings are published in the Nov. 9 issue of the American Journal of

Hypertension<http://www.nature.com/ajh/index.html>.

In July, another review found " no clear benefit " to cutting back salt, saying it

did not reduce the likelihood of dying from heart disease or having a heart

attack, CBS

News<http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20077149-10391704.html?tag=mncol;lst\

;2> reported.

Some experts disputed the new study.

" Over 50 public health organizations can't be wrong on this one, " Dr. Lawrence

Appel, professor of medicine, epidemiology, and international health at s

Hopkins Medical Institutions in Baltimore, told

WebMD<http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20111108/new-research-calls-salt-g\

uidelines-into-question>.

Should Americans stay put when it comes to their salt intake?

" Certainly I would not tell my patients not to lower their sodium because it

might then raise your cholesterol, " Dr. Tara Narula, a cardiologist at Lenox

Hill Hospital in New York City, told WebMD. " I'd be hard pressed to find other

cardiologists who would say that based on this study that they would not

recommend low-sodium diets to people, especially those that have hypertension

and heart failure. "

The CDC <http://www.cdc.gov/bloodpressure/sodium.htm> recommends a daily sodium

intake for Americans of 2,300 mg a day and also recommends that certain groups

consume 1,500 mg or less each day, including Americans over 51 years old,

African-Americans, and people with hypertension, diabetes, or chronic kidney

disease.

Read more:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57321659-10391704/cutting-back-salt-may-b\

e-worse-for-heart-health-study/#ixzz1dhHtrzEq

[Guest guest]

I've been waiting for this study!

Thanks for shraing.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN, CSG

A dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin

" People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary

Road)

To: rd-usa

From: drowell@...

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:19:40 +0000

Subject: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

November 9, 2011 2:51 PM

Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

By

Jaslow<http://www.cbsnews.com/2102-504763_162-57321659.html?contributor=10470092\

>

[Description: salt, sodium, salt shaker, stock, 4x3](Credit: istockphoto)

(CBS) Cutting back on salt might not be all it's cracked up to be for heart

health. A new study suggests reducing dietary salt intake may actually raise

several risk factors for heart disease.

" I can't really see, if you look at the total evidence, that there is any reason

to believe there is a net benefit of decreasing sodium intake in the general

population, " study author Dr. Niels Graudal, a senior consultant at Copenhagen

University Hospital in Denmark, told

Reuters<http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/09/us-salt-health-idUSTRE7A84HS20\

111109>.

Previous research has shown that cutting back on salt lowers blood pressure, so

it has long been assumed that reducing sodium would also prevent cardiovascular

disease and stroke. To find out for sure, researchers reviewed 167 salt studies,

but looked at other factors related to heart health besides blood pressure.

What did the researchers uncover? Reducing salt intake did lower blood pressure

as expected, but it caused a 2.5 percent increase in cholesterol and a 7 percent

increase triglycerides. The researchers also found dietary salt reduction caused

kidneys to produce more enzymes and hormones that regulate the body's salt

levels, which in turn cause the body to retain more salt. All these increases

were considered significant, and could be harmful for cardiovascular health, the

researchers said.

The researchers' bottom line?

" In my opinion, people should generally not worry about their salt intake, "

Graudal told HealthDay<http://consumer.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=658737>.

The findings are published in the Nov. 9 issue of the American Journal of

Hypertension<http://www.nature.com/ajh/index.html>.

In July, another review found " no clear benefit " to cutting back salt, saying it

did not reduce the likelihood of dying from heart disease or having a heart

attack, CBS

News<http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20077149-10391704.html?tag=mncol;lst\

;2> reported.

Some experts disputed the new study.

" Over 50 public health organizations can't be wrong on this one, " Dr. Lawrence

Appel, professor of medicine, epidemiology, and international health at s

Hopkins Medical Institutions in Baltimore, told

WebMD<http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20111108/new-research-calls-salt-g\

uidelines-into-question>.

Should Americans stay put when it comes to their salt intake?

" Certainly I would not tell my patients not to lower their sodium because it

might then raise your cholesterol, " Dr. Tara Narula, a cardiologist at Lenox

Hill Hospital in New York City, told WebMD. " I'd be hard pressed to find other

cardiologists who would say that based on this study that they would not

recommend low-sodium diets to people, especially those that have hypertension

and heart failure. "

The CDC <http://www.cdc.gov/bloodpressure/sodium.htm> recommends a daily sodium

intake for Americans of 2,300 mg a day and also recommends that certain groups

consume 1,500 mg or less each day, including Americans over 51 years old,

African-Americans, and people with hypertension, diabetes, or chronic kidney

disease.

Read more:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57321659-10391704/cutting-back-salt-may-b\

e-worse-for-heart-health-study/#ixzz1dhHtrzEq

[Guest guest]

I've been waiting for this study!

Thanks for shraing.

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN, CSG

A dietitian, not the food police.

http://www.linkedin.com/in/meravlevi

" Life is not measured by the number of breath you take, but by the moments that

take your breath away. " - Carlin

" People don't forget the truth, they just become better in lying " (Revolutionary

Road)

To: rd-usa

From: drowell@...

Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:19:40 +0000

Subject: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

November 9, 2011 2:51 PM

Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

By

Jaslow<http://www.cbsnews.com/2102-504763_162-57321659.html?contributor=10470092\

>

[Description: salt, sodium, salt shaker, stock, 4x3](Credit: istockphoto)

(CBS) Cutting back on salt might not be all it's cracked up to be for heart

health. A new study suggests reducing dietary salt intake may actually raise

several risk factors for heart disease.

" I can't really see, if you look at the total evidence, that there is any reason

to believe there is a net benefit of decreasing sodium intake in the general

population, " study author Dr. Niels Graudal, a senior consultant at Copenhagen

University Hospital in Denmark, told

Reuters<http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/09/us-salt-health-idUSTRE7A84HS20\

111109>.

Previous research has shown that cutting back on salt lowers blood pressure, so

it has long been assumed that reducing sodium would also prevent cardiovascular

disease and stroke. To find out for sure, researchers reviewed 167 salt studies,

but looked at other factors related to heart health besides blood pressure.

What did the researchers uncover? Reducing salt intake did lower blood pressure

as expected, but it caused a 2.5 percent increase in cholesterol and a 7 percent

increase triglycerides. The researchers also found dietary salt reduction caused

kidneys to produce more enzymes and hormones that regulate the body's salt

levels, which in turn cause the body to retain more salt. All these increases

were considered significant, and could be harmful for cardiovascular health, the

researchers said.

The researchers' bottom line?

" In my opinion, people should generally not worry about their salt intake, "

Graudal told HealthDay<http://consumer.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=658737>.

The findings are published in the Nov. 9 issue of the American Journal of

Hypertension<http://www.nature.com/ajh/index.html>.

In July, another review found " no clear benefit " to cutting back salt, saying it

did not reduce the likelihood of dying from heart disease or having a heart

attack, CBS

News<http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20077149-10391704.html?tag=mncol;lst\

;2> reported.

Some experts disputed the new study.

" Over 50 public health organizations can't be wrong on this one, " Dr. Lawrence

Appel, professor of medicine, epidemiology, and international health at s

Hopkins Medical Institutions in Baltimore, told

WebMD<http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20111108/new-research-calls-salt-g\

uidelines-into-question>.

Should Americans stay put when it comes to their salt intake?

" Certainly I would not tell my patients not to lower their sodium because it

might then raise your cholesterol, " Dr. Tara Narula, a cardiologist at Lenox

Hill Hospital in New York City, told WebMD. " I'd be hard pressed to find other

cardiologists who would say that based on this study that they would not

recommend low-sodium diets to people, especially those that have hypertension

and heart failure. "

The CDC <http://www.cdc.gov/bloodpressure/sodium.htm> recommends a daily sodium

intake for Americans of 2,300 mg a day and also recommends that certain groups

consume 1,500 mg or less each day, including Americans over 51 years old,

African-Americans, and people with hypertension, diabetes, or chronic kidney

disease.

Read more:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57321659-10391704/cutting-back-salt-may-b\

e-worse-for-heart-health-study/#ixzz1dhHtrzEq

[Guest guest]

yippee !!!

one of my first WIC clients made herself very ill following her doctor's advice

to reduce salt to prevent preeclampsia - she was the dutiful type that totally

excluded it and bought 40 mg heart smart products. I got busy reading because I

had to convince her (not her doctor since no Rx involved - I did send him copies

of the research articles) that it was an old health message to have a low salt

diet for a pregnant person in order to treat / prevent / improve preeclampsia.

She would have killed herself trying to be healthy - there was no smarts to

listen to her own internal pain or it was over-ridden by urge to do " right " .

Some people really do follow the advice and therin lies the danger. And of

course the formula fed individuals who are sweating it out on a controlled 1500

mg salt diet are at great risk - they have no option to eat to appetite or to

salt to taste and they may not be able to kick the bedcovers off there sweaty

paralytic feet either.

sometimes I get a little peeved - other times I get royally angry - other times

I hide in a cave

dairy cattle have it good in this country

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/02/preeclampsia-magnesium-deficiency-or.html

2-19-2011 - not new but still cutting edge health news to many

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/02/electrolytes-r-us.html - also older

2-10-11 but good hydration saves lives and very cheaply reduces irritating

symptoms

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/08/suicide-mud-plunge-was-blast.html  - hot

day in the sun event planning blog

" not to worry " about sodium at all seems a little dramatic reversal however. The

3000 RDA or whatever it had been seemed okay. And 10% of the population truely

did test out salt sensitive or so, per some statistics.

R Vajda, R.D.

________________________________

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:19 AM

Subject: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

 

November 9, 2011 2:51 PM

Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

By

Jaslow<http://www.cbsnews.com/2102-504763_162-57321659.html?contributor=10470092\

>

[Description: salt, sodium, salt shaker, stock, 4x3](Credit: istockphoto)

(CBS) Cutting back on salt might not be all it's cracked up to be for heart

health. A new study suggests reducing dietary salt intake may actually raise

several risk factors for heart disease.

" I can't really see, if you look at the total evidence, that there is any reason

to believe there is a net benefit of decreasing sodium intake in the general

population, " study author Dr. Niels Graudal, a senior consultant at Copenhagen

University Hospital in Denmark, told

Reuters<http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/09/us-salt-health-idUSTRE7A84HS20\

111109>.

Previous research has shown that cutting back on salt lowers blood pressure, so

it has long been assumed that reducing sodium would also prevent cardiovascular

disease and stroke. To find out for sure, researchers reviewed 167 salt studies,

but looked at other factors related to heart health besides blood pressure.

What did the researchers uncover? Reducing salt intake did lower blood pressure

as expected, but it caused a 2.5 percent increase in cholesterol and a 7 percent

increase triglycerides. The researchers also found dietary salt reduction caused

kidneys to produce more enzymes and hormones that regulate the body's salt

levels, which in turn cause the body to retain more salt. All these increases

were considered significant, and could be harmful for cardiovascular health, the

researchers said.

The researchers' bottom line?

" In my opinion, people should generally not worry about their salt intake, "

Graudal told HealthDay<http://consumer.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=658737>.

The findings are published in the Nov. 9 issue of the American Journal of

Hypertension<http://www.nature.com/ajh/index.html>.

In July, another review found " no clear benefit " to cutting back salt, saying it

did not reduce the likelihood of dying from heart disease or having a heart

attack, CBS

News<http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20077149-10391704.html?tag=mncol;lst\

;2> reported.

Some experts disputed the new study.

" Over 50 public health organizations can't be wrong on this one, " Dr. Lawrence

Appel, professor of medicine, epidemiology, and international health at s

Hopkins Medical Institutions in Baltimore, told

WebMD<http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20111108/new-research-calls-salt-g\

uidelines-into-question>.

Should Americans stay put when it comes to their salt intake?

" Certainly I would not tell my patients not to lower their sodium because it

might then raise your cholesterol, " Dr. Tara Narula, a cardiologist at Lenox

Hill Hospital in New York City, told WebMD. " I'd be hard pressed to find other

cardiologists who would say that based on this study that they would not

recommend low-sodium diets to people, especially those that have hypertension

and heart failure. "

The CDC <http://www.cdc.gov/bloodpressure/sodium.htm> recommends a daily sodium

intake for Americans of 2,300 mg a day and also recommends that certain groups

consume 1,500 mg or less each day, including Americans over 51 years old,

African-Americans, and people with hypertension, diabetes, or chronic kidney

disease.

Read more:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57321659-10391704/cutting-back-salt-may-b\

e-worse-for-heart-health-study/#ixzz1dhHtrzEq

[Guest guest]

yippee !!!

one of my first WIC clients made herself very ill following her doctor's advice

to reduce salt to prevent preeclampsia - she was the dutiful type that totally

excluded it and bought 40 mg heart smart products. I got busy reading because I

had to convince her (not her doctor since no Rx involved - I did send him copies

of the research articles) that it was an old health message to have a low salt

diet for a pregnant person in order to treat / prevent / improve preeclampsia.

She would have killed herself trying to be healthy - there was no smarts to

listen to her own internal pain or it was over-ridden by urge to do " right " .

Some people really do follow the advice and therin lies the danger. And of

course the formula fed individuals who are sweating it out on a controlled 1500

mg salt diet are at great risk - they have no option to eat to appetite or to

salt to taste and they may not be able to kick the bedcovers off there sweaty

paralytic feet either.

sometimes I get a little peeved - other times I get royally angry - other times

I hide in a cave

dairy cattle have it good in this country

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/02/preeclampsia-magnesium-deficiency-or.html

2-19-2011 - not new but still cutting edge health news to many

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/02/electrolytes-r-us.html - also older

2-10-11 but good hydration saves lives and very cheaply reduces irritating

symptoms

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/08/suicide-mud-plunge-was-blast.html  - hot

day in the sun event planning blog

" not to worry " about sodium at all seems a little dramatic reversal however. The

3000 RDA or whatever it had been seemed okay. And 10% of the population truely

did test out salt sensitive or so, per some statistics.

R Vajda, R.D.

________________________________

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:19 AM

Subject: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

 

November 9, 2011 2:51 PM

Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

By

Jaslow<http://www.cbsnews.com/2102-504763_162-57321659.html?contributor=10470092\

>

[Description: salt, sodium, salt shaker, stock, 4x3](Credit: istockphoto)

(CBS) Cutting back on salt might not be all it's cracked up to be for heart

health. A new study suggests reducing dietary salt intake may actually raise

several risk factors for heart disease.

" I can't really see, if you look at the total evidence, that there is any reason

to believe there is a net benefit of decreasing sodium intake in the general

population, " study author Dr. Niels Graudal, a senior consultant at Copenhagen

University Hospital in Denmark, told

Reuters<http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/09/us-salt-health-idUSTRE7A84HS20\

111109>.

Previous research has shown that cutting back on salt lowers blood pressure, so

it has long been assumed that reducing sodium would also prevent cardiovascular

disease and stroke. To find out for sure, researchers reviewed 167 salt studies,

but looked at other factors related to heart health besides blood pressure.

What did the researchers uncover? Reducing salt intake did lower blood pressure

as expected, but it caused a 2.5 percent increase in cholesterol and a 7 percent

increase triglycerides. The researchers also found dietary salt reduction caused

kidneys to produce more enzymes and hormones that regulate the body's salt

levels, which in turn cause the body to retain more salt. All these increases

were considered significant, and could be harmful for cardiovascular health, the

researchers said.

The researchers' bottom line?

" In my opinion, people should generally not worry about their salt intake, "

Graudal told HealthDay<http://consumer.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=658737>.

The findings are published in the Nov. 9 issue of the American Journal of

Hypertension<http://www.nature.com/ajh/index.html>.

In July, another review found " no clear benefit " to cutting back salt, saying it

did not reduce the likelihood of dying from heart disease or having a heart

attack, CBS

News<http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20077149-10391704.html?tag=mncol;lst\

;2> reported.

Some experts disputed the new study.

" Over 50 public health organizations can't be wrong on this one, " Dr. Lawrence

Appel, professor of medicine, epidemiology, and international health at s

Hopkins Medical Institutions in Baltimore, told

WebMD<http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20111108/new-research-calls-salt-g\

uidelines-into-question>.

Should Americans stay put when it comes to their salt intake?

" Certainly I would not tell my patients not to lower their sodium because it

might then raise your cholesterol, " Dr. Tara Narula, a cardiologist at Lenox

Hill Hospital in New York City, told WebMD. " I'd be hard pressed to find other

cardiologists who would say that based on this study that they would not

recommend low-sodium diets to people, especially those that have hypertension

and heart failure. "

The CDC <http://www.cdc.gov/bloodpressure/sodium.htm> recommends a daily sodium

intake for Americans of 2,300 mg a day and also recommends that certain groups

consume 1,500 mg or less each day, including Americans over 51 years old,

African-Americans, and people with hypertension, diabetes, or chronic kidney

disease.

Read more:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57321659-10391704/cutting-back-salt-may-b\

e-worse-for-heart-health-study/#ixzz1dhHtrzEq

[Guest guest]

yippee !!!

one of my first WIC clients made herself very ill following her doctor's advice

to reduce salt to prevent preeclampsia - she was the dutiful type that totally

excluded it and bought 40 mg heart smart products. I got busy reading because I

had to convince her (not her doctor since no Rx involved - I did send him copies

of the research articles) that it was an old health message to have a low salt

diet for a pregnant person in order to treat / prevent / improve preeclampsia.

She would have killed herself trying to be healthy - there was no smarts to

listen to her own internal pain or it was over-ridden by urge to do " right " .

Some people really do follow the advice and therin lies the danger. And of

course the formula fed individuals who are sweating it out on a controlled 1500

mg salt diet are at great risk - they have no option to eat to appetite or to

salt to taste and they may not be able to kick the bedcovers off there sweaty

paralytic feet either.

sometimes I get a little peeved - other times I get royally angry - other times

I hide in a cave

dairy cattle have it good in this country

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/02/preeclampsia-magnesium-deficiency-or.html

2-19-2011 - not new but still cutting edge health news to many

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/02/electrolytes-r-us.html - also older

2-10-11 but good hydration saves lives and very cheaply reduces irritating

symptoms

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/08/suicide-mud-plunge-was-blast.html  - hot

day in the sun event planning blog

" not to worry " about sodium at all seems a little dramatic reversal however. The

3000 RDA or whatever it had been seemed okay. And 10% of the population truely

did test out salt sensitive or so, per some statistics.

R Vajda, R.D.

________________________________

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:19 AM

Subject: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

 

November 9, 2011 2:51 PM

Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

By

Jaslow<http://www.cbsnews.com/2102-504763_162-57321659.html?contributor=10470092\

>

[Description: salt, sodium, salt shaker, stock, 4x3](Credit: istockphoto)

(CBS) Cutting back on salt might not be all it's cracked up to be for heart

health. A new study suggests reducing dietary salt intake may actually raise

several risk factors for heart disease.

" I can't really see, if you look at the total evidence, that there is any reason

to believe there is a net benefit of decreasing sodium intake in the general

population, " study author Dr. Niels Graudal, a senior consultant at Copenhagen

University Hospital in Denmark, told

Reuters<http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/09/us-salt-health-idUSTRE7A84HS20\

111109>.

Previous research has shown that cutting back on salt lowers blood pressure, so

it has long been assumed that reducing sodium would also prevent cardiovascular

disease and stroke. To find out for sure, researchers reviewed 167 salt studies,

but looked at other factors related to heart health besides blood pressure.

What did the researchers uncover? Reducing salt intake did lower blood pressure

as expected, but it caused a 2.5 percent increase in cholesterol and a 7 percent

increase triglycerides. The researchers also found dietary salt reduction caused

kidneys to produce more enzymes and hormones that regulate the body's salt

levels, which in turn cause the body to retain more salt. All these increases

were considered significant, and could be harmful for cardiovascular health, the

researchers said.

The researchers' bottom line?

" In my opinion, people should generally not worry about their salt intake, "

Graudal told HealthDay<http://consumer.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=658737>.

The findings are published in the Nov. 9 issue of the American Journal of

Hypertension<http://www.nature.com/ajh/index.html>.

In July, another review found " no clear benefit " to cutting back salt, saying it

did not reduce the likelihood of dying from heart disease or having a heart

attack, CBS

News<http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20077149-10391704.html?tag=mncol;lst\

;2> reported.

Some experts disputed the new study.

" Over 50 public health organizations can't be wrong on this one, " Dr. Lawrence

Appel, professor of medicine, epidemiology, and international health at s

Hopkins Medical Institutions in Baltimore, told

WebMD<http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20111108/new-research-calls-salt-g\

uidelines-into-question>.

Should Americans stay put when it comes to their salt intake?

" Certainly I would not tell my patients not to lower their sodium because it

might then raise your cholesterol, " Dr. Tara Narula, a cardiologist at Lenox

Hill Hospital in New York City, told WebMD. " I'd be hard pressed to find other

cardiologists who would say that based on this study that they would not

recommend low-sodium diets to people, especially those that have hypertension

and heart failure. "

The CDC <http://www.cdc.gov/bloodpressure/sodium.htm> recommends a daily sodium

intake for Americans of 2,300 mg a day and also recommends that certain groups

consume 1,500 mg or less each day, including Americans over 51 years old,

African-Americans, and people with hypertension, diabetes, or chronic kidney

disease.

Read more:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57321659-10391704/cutting-back-salt-may-b\

e-worse-for-heart-health-study/#ixzz1dhHtrzEq

[Guest guest]

Hey, I did that when I was pregant, 2 liters of Gator Aid and a large bag of

chips later I felt wonderful. Told my OBGYN the next day he was full of it when

he read me the riot act. Then again we fought the whole nine months and 6 weeks.

 

What I really loved was I read that it is impossable to do both the 1500 mg Na

and the 4000 mg K diet recommendations. Got to love it. Does anyone who makes

these recommendations ever look at the whole picture to see if it works.

 

It is now in the works to get salt removed the the GRAS list. Think of it you

may need a Rx for salt in the future.

 

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

 

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:17 AM

Subject: Re: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

 

yippee !!!

one of my first WIC clients made herself very ill following her doctor's advice

to reduce salt to prevent preeclampsia - she was the dutiful type that totally

excluded it and bought 40 mg heart smart products. I got busy reading because I

had to convince her (not her doctor since no Rx involved - I did send him copies

of the research articles) that it was an old health message to have a low salt

diet for a pregnant person in order to treat / prevent / improve preeclampsia.

She would have killed herself trying to be healthy - there was no smarts to

listen to her own internal pain or it was over-ridden by urge to do " right " .

Some people really do follow the advice and therin lies the danger. And of

course the formula fed individuals who are sweating it out on a controlled 1500

mg salt diet are at great risk - they have no option to eat to appetite or to

salt to taste and they may not be able to kick the bedcovers off there sweaty

paralytic feet either.

sometimes I get a little peeved - other times I get royally angry - other times

I hide in a cave

dairy cattle have it good in this country

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/02/preeclampsia-magnesium-deficiency-or.html

2-19-2011 - not new but still cutting edge health news to many

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/02/electrolytes-r-us.html - also older

2-10-11 but good hydration saves lives and very cheaply reduces irritating

symptoms

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/08/suicide-mud-plunge-was-blast.html  - hot

day in the sun event planning blog

" not to worry " about sodium at all seems a little dramatic reversal however. The

3000 RDA or whatever it had been seemed okay. And 10% of the population truely

did test out salt sensitive or so, per some statistics.

R Vajda, R.D.

________________________________

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:19 AM

Subject: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

[Guest guest]

Hey, I did that when I was pregant, 2 liters of Gator Aid and a large bag of

chips later I felt wonderful. Told my OBGYN the next day he was full of it when

he read me the riot act. Then again we fought the whole nine months and 6 weeks.

 

What I really loved was I read that it is impossable to do both the 1500 mg Na

and the 4000 mg K diet recommendations. Got to love it. Does anyone who makes

these recommendations ever look at the whole picture to see if it works.

 

It is now in the works to get salt removed the the GRAS list. Think of it you

may need a Rx for salt in the future.

 

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

 

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:17 AM

Subject: Re: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

 

yippee !!!

one of my first WIC clients made herself very ill following her doctor's advice

to reduce salt to prevent preeclampsia - she was the dutiful type that totally

excluded it and bought 40 mg heart smart products. I got busy reading because I

had to convince her (not her doctor since no Rx involved - I did send him copies

of the research articles) that it was an old health message to have a low salt

diet for a pregnant person in order to treat / prevent / improve preeclampsia.

She would have killed herself trying to be healthy - there was no smarts to

listen to her own internal pain or it was over-ridden by urge to do " right " .

Some people really do follow the advice and therin lies the danger. And of

course the formula fed individuals who are sweating it out on a controlled 1500

mg salt diet are at great risk - they have no option to eat to appetite or to

salt to taste and they may not be able to kick the bedcovers off there sweaty

paralytic feet either.

sometimes I get a little peeved - other times I get royally angry - other times

I hide in a cave

dairy cattle have it good in this country

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/02/preeclampsia-magnesium-deficiency-or.html

2-19-2011 - not new but still cutting edge health news to many

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/02/electrolytes-r-us.html - also older

2-10-11 but good hydration saves lives and very cheaply reduces irritating

symptoms

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/08/suicide-mud-plunge-was-blast.html  - hot

day in the sun event planning blog

" not to worry " about sodium at all seems a little dramatic reversal however. The

3000 RDA or whatever it had been seemed okay. And 10% of the population truely

did test out salt sensitive or so, per some statistics.

R Vajda, R.D.

________________________________

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:19 AM

Subject: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

[Guest guest]

Hey, I did that when I was pregant, 2 liters of Gator Aid and a large bag of

chips later I felt wonderful. Told my OBGYN the next day he was full of it when

he read me the riot act. Then again we fought the whole nine months and 6 weeks.

 

What I really loved was I read that it is impossable to do both the 1500 mg Na

and the 4000 mg K diet recommendations. Got to love it. Does anyone who makes

these recommendations ever look at the whole picture to see if it works.

 

It is now in the works to get salt removed the the GRAS list. Think of it you

may need a Rx for salt in the future.

 

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

 

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:17 AM

Subject: Re: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

 

yippee !!!

one of my first WIC clients made herself very ill following her doctor's advice

to reduce salt to prevent preeclampsia - she was the dutiful type that totally

excluded it and bought 40 mg heart smart products. I got busy reading because I

had to convince her (not her doctor since no Rx involved - I did send him copies

of the research articles) that it was an old health message to have a low salt

diet for a pregnant person in order to treat / prevent / improve preeclampsia.

She would have killed herself trying to be healthy - there was no smarts to

listen to her own internal pain or it was over-ridden by urge to do " right " .

Some people really do follow the advice and therin lies the danger. And of

course the formula fed individuals who are sweating it out on a controlled 1500

mg salt diet are at great risk - they have no option to eat to appetite or to

salt to taste and they may not be able to kick the bedcovers off there sweaty

paralytic feet either.

sometimes I get a little peeved - other times I get royally angry - other times

I hide in a cave

dairy cattle have it good in this country

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/02/preeclampsia-magnesium-deficiency-or.html

2-19-2011 - not new but still cutting edge health news to many

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/02/electrolytes-r-us.html - also older

2-10-11 but good hydration saves lives and very cheaply reduces irritating

symptoms

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/08/suicide-mud-plunge-was-blast.html  - hot

day in the sun event planning blog

" not to worry " about sodium at all seems a little dramatic reversal however. The

3000 RDA or whatever it had been seemed okay. And 10% of the population truely

did test out salt sensitive or so, per some statistics.

R Vajda, R.D.

________________________________

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:19 AM

Subject: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

[Guest guest]

salt not GRAS ??? considering how many things are GRAS I have to believe that is

a sick joke - please - just a joke. - who, what, when, where, and how insane are

the " people " in charge and what are they in charge of  - increasing dollars to

the medical industry?  I was yippee before but what  in the world -

flabbergasted - tired going to bed, can not take this right now.

What I am already tasting and what the dog won't eat either, is an increase in

all the other additives. Doritos and foods like that are barely edible. The salt

at least was something the body kind of knew to slow down on but the other stuff

is adding to solute load also and problems for the kidneys, especially when 

hydrated with carbonated beverage. Bulk spices even can be too much of a good

thing when basic chemistry is involved in solute load. Less " expected salt "

flavor is masked by delightful umami rich glutamates and aspartates that are

considered GRAS whether they ought to be or not. Applebee's sauces can be a

solute load straight to the restroom if the cook let the stuff steam a little

too long. How to tell a country that doesn't want to hear anything much more

than what is on the shopping list for Xmas.

Actually no matter what is legislated / policied the food supply will only be as

compliant as it can get away with I would bet.

 

R Vajda, R.D.

________________________________

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 3:44 PM

Subject: Re: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

 

Hey, I did that when I was pregant, 2 liters of Gator Aid and a large bag of

chips later I felt wonderful. Told my OBGYN the next day he was full of it when

he read me the riot act. Then again we fought the whole nine months and 6 weeks.

 

What I really loved was I read that it is impossable to do both the 1500 mg Na

and the 4000 mg K diet recommendations. Got to love it. Does anyone who makes

these recommendations ever look at the whole picture to see if it works.

 

It is now in the works to get salt removed the the GRAS list. Think of it you

may need a Rx for salt in the future.

 

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

 

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:17 AM

Subject: Re: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

 

yippee !!!

one of my first WIC clients made herself very ill following her doctor's advice

to reduce salt to prevent preeclampsia - she was the dutiful type that totally

excluded it and bought 40 mg heart smart products. I got busy reading because I

had to convince her (not her doctor since no Rx involved - I did send him copies

of the research articles) that it was an old health message to have a low salt

diet for a pregnant person in order to treat / prevent / improve preeclampsia.

She would have killed herself trying to be healthy - there was no smarts to

listen to her own internal pain or it was over-ridden by urge to do " right " .

Some people really do follow the advice and therin lies the danger. And of

course the formula fed individuals who are sweating it out on a controlled 1500

mg salt diet are at great risk - they have no option to eat to appetite or to

salt to taste and they may not be able to kick the bedcovers off there sweaty

paralytic feet either.

sometimes I get a little peeved - other times I get royally angry - other times

I hide in a cave

dairy cattle have it good in this country

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/02/preeclampsia-magnesium-deficiency-or.html

2-19-2011 - not new but still cutting edge health news to many

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/02/electrolytes-r-us.html - also older

2-10-11 but good hydration saves lives and very cheaply reduces irritating

symptoms

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/08/suicide-mud-plunge-was-blast.html  - hot

day in the sun event planning blog

" not to worry " about sodium at all seems a little dramatic reversal however. The

3000 RDA or whatever it had been seemed okay. And 10% of the population truely

did test out salt sensitive or so, per some statistics.

R Vajda, R.D.

________________________________

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:19 AM

Subject: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

[Guest guest]

salt not GRAS ??? considering how many things are GRAS I have to believe that is

a sick joke - please - just a joke. - who, what, when, where, and how insane are

the " people " in charge and what are they in charge of  - increasing dollars to

the medical industry?  I was yippee before but what  in the world -

flabbergasted - tired going to bed, can not take this right now.

What I am already tasting and what the dog won't eat either, is an increase in

all the other additives. Doritos and foods like that are barely edible. The salt

at least was something the body kind of knew to slow down on but the other stuff

is adding to solute load also and problems for the kidneys, especially when 

hydrated with carbonated beverage. Bulk spices even can be too much of a good

thing when basic chemistry is involved in solute load. Less " expected salt "

flavor is masked by delightful umami rich glutamates and aspartates that are

considered GRAS whether they ought to be or not. Applebee's sauces can be a

solute load straight to the restroom if the cook let the stuff steam a little

too long. How to tell a country that doesn't want to hear anything much more

than what is on the shopping list for Xmas.

Actually no matter what is legislated / policied the food supply will only be as

compliant as it can get away with I would bet.

 

R Vajda, R.D.

________________________________

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 3:44 PM

Subject: Re: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

 

Hey, I did that when I was pregant, 2 liters of Gator Aid and a large bag of

chips later I felt wonderful. Told my OBGYN the next day he was full of it when

he read me the riot act. Then again we fought the whole nine months and 6 weeks.

 

What I really loved was I read that it is impossable to do both the 1500 mg Na

and the 4000 mg K diet recommendations. Got to love it. Does anyone who makes

these recommendations ever look at the whole picture to see if it works.

 

It is now in the works to get salt removed the the GRAS list. Think of it you

may need a Rx for salt in the future.

 

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

 

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:17 AM

Subject: Re: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

 

yippee !!!

one of my first WIC clients made herself very ill following her doctor's advice

to reduce salt to prevent preeclampsia - she was the dutiful type that totally

excluded it and bought 40 mg heart smart products. I got busy reading because I

had to convince her (not her doctor since no Rx involved - I did send him copies

of the research articles) that it was an old health message to have a low salt

diet for a pregnant person in order to treat / prevent / improve preeclampsia.

She would have killed herself trying to be healthy - there was no smarts to

listen to her own internal pain or it was over-ridden by urge to do " right " .

Some people really do follow the advice and therin lies the danger. And of

course the formula fed individuals who are sweating it out on a controlled 1500

mg salt diet are at great risk - they have no option to eat to appetite or to

salt to taste and they may not be able to kick the bedcovers off there sweaty

paralytic feet either.

sometimes I get a little peeved - other times I get royally angry - other times

I hide in a cave

dairy cattle have it good in this country

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/02/preeclampsia-magnesium-deficiency-or.html

2-19-2011 - not new but still cutting edge health news to many

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/02/electrolytes-r-us.html - also older

2-10-11 but good hydration saves lives and very cheaply reduces irritating

symptoms

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/08/suicide-mud-plunge-was-blast.html  - hot

day in the sun event planning blog

" not to worry " about sodium at all seems a little dramatic reversal however. The

3000 RDA or whatever it had been seemed okay. And 10% of the population truely

did test out salt sensitive or so, per some statistics.

R Vajda, R.D.

________________________________

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:19 AM

Subject: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

[Guest guest]

salt not GRAS ??? considering how many things are GRAS I have to believe that is

a sick joke - please - just a joke. - who, what, when, where, and how insane are

the " people " in charge and what are they in charge of  - increasing dollars to

the medical industry?  I was yippee before but what  in the world -

flabbergasted - tired going to bed, can not take this right now.

What I am already tasting and what the dog won't eat either, is an increase in

all the other additives. Doritos and foods like that are barely edible. The salt

at least was something the body kind of knew to slow down on but the other stuff

is adding to solute load also and problems for the kidneys, especially when 

hydrated with carbonated beverage. Bulk spices even can be too much of a good

thing when basic chemistry is involved in solute load. Less " expected salt "

flavor is masked by delightful umami rich glutamates and aspartates that are

considered GRAS whether they ought to be or not. Applebee's sauces can be a

solute load straight to the restroom if the cook let the stuff steam a little

too long. How to tell a country that doesn't want to hear anything much more

than what is on the shopping list for Xmas.

Actually no matter what is legislated / policied the food supply will only be as

compliant as it can get away with I would bet.

 

R Vajda, R.D.

________________________________

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 3:44 PM

Subject: Re: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

 

Hey, I did that when I was pregant, 2 liters of Gator Aid and a large bag of

chips later I felt wonderful. Told my OBGYN the next day he was full of it when

he read me the riot act. Then again we fought the whole nine months and 6 weeks.

 

What I really loved was I read that it is impossable to do both the 1500 mg Na

and the 4000 mg K diet recommendations. Got to love it. Does anyone who makes

these recommendations ever look at the whole picture to see if it works.

 

It is now in the works to get salt removed the the GRAS list. Think of it you

may need a Rx for salt in the future.

 

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK

 

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:17 AM

Subject: Re: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

 

yippee !!!

one of my first WIC clients made herself very ill following her doctor's advice

to reduce salt to prevent preeclampsia - she was the dutiful type that totally

excluded it and bought 40 mg heart smart products. I got busy reading because I

had to convince her (not her doctor since no Rx involved - I did send him copies

of the research articles) that it was an old health message to have a low salt

diet for a pregnant person in order to treat / prevent / improve preeclampsia.

She would have killed herself trying to be healthy - there was no smarts to

listen to her own internal pain or it was over-ridden by urge to do " right " .

Some people really do follow the advice and therin lies the danger. And of

course the formula fed individuals who are sweating it out on a controlled 1500

mg salt diet are at great risk - they have no option to eat to appetite or to

salt to taste and they may not be able to kick the bedcovers off there sweaty

paralytic feet either.

sometimes I get a little peeved - other times I get royally angry - other times

I hide in a cave

dairy cattle have it good in this country

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/02/preeclampsia-magnesium-deficiency-or.html

2-19-2011 - not new but still cutting edge health news to many

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/02/electrolytes-r-us.html - also older

2-10-11 but good hydration saves lives and very cheaply reduces irritating

symptoms

http://gingerjens.blogspot.com/2011/08/suicide-mud-plunge-was-blast.html  - hot

day in the sun event planning blog

" not to worry " about sodium at all seems a little dramatic reversal however. The

3000 RDA or whatever it had been seemed okay. And 10% of the population truely

did test out salt sensitive or so, per some statistics.

R Vajda, R.D.

________________________________

To: " rd-usa " <rd-usa >

Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:19 AM

Subject: Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

[Guest guest]

What has more impact in health a reduction of 3.5% of mm of Hg in a man that has

systolic blood pressure of 150 that means a reduction to 145 (rounded up) or an

increase of 5 mg (the 2.5%) of cholesterol in a person that has 200mg/dL to

205mg/dL?

When they reduced the salt what food replacements did these patients chose?

I don't have access to the full paper,if anyone has please send me. I would like

to review the methodology used and which studies were included.

Cátia Borges

>

> November 9, 2011 2:51 PM

> Cutting back salt may be worse for heart health: Study

> By

>

Jaslow<http://www.cbsnews.com/2102-504763_162-57321659.html?contributor=10470092\

>

> [Description: salt, sodium, salt shaker, stock, 4x3](Credit: istockphoto)

>

> (CBS) Cutting back on salt might not be all it's cracked up to be for heart

health. A new study suggests reducing dietary salt intake may actually raise

several risk factors for heart disease.

>

> " I can't really see, if you look at the total evidence, that there is any

reason to believe there is a net benefit of decreasing sodium intake in the

general population, " study author Dr. Niels Graudal, a senior consultant at

Copenhagen University Hospital in Denmark, told

Reuters<http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/09/us-salt-health-idUSTRE7A84HS20\

111109>.

>

> Previous research has shown that cutting back on salt lowers blood pressure,

so it has long been assumed that reducing sodium would also prevent

cardiovascular disease and stroke. To find out for sure, researchers reviewed

167 salt studies, but looked at other factors related to heart health besides

blood pressure.

>

> What did the researchers uncover? Reducing salt intake did lower blood

pressure as expected, but it caused a 2.5 percent increase in cholesterol and a

7 percent increase triglycerides. The researchers also found dietary salt

reduction caused kidneys to produce more enzymes and hormones that regulate the

body's salt levels, which in turn cause the body to retain more salt. All these

increases were considered significant, and could be harmful for cardiovascular

health, the researchers said.

>

> The researchers' bottom line?

>

> " In my opinion, people should generally not worry about their salt intake, "

Graudal told HealthDay<http://consumer.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=658737>.

>

> The findings are published in the Nov. 9 issue of the American Journal of

Hypertension<http://www.nature.com/ajh/index.html>.

>

> In July, another review found " no clear benefit " to cutting back salt, saying

it did not reduce the likelihood of dying from heart disease or having a heart

attack, CBS

News<http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20077149-10391704.html?tag=mncol;lst\

;2> reported.

>

> Some experts disputed the new study.

>

> " Over 50 public health organizations can't be wrong on this one, " Dr. Lawrence

Appel, professor of medicine, epidemiology, and international health at s

Hopkins Medical Institutions in Baltimore, told

WebMD<http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20111108/new-research-calls-salt-g\

uidelines-into-question>.

>

> Should Americans stay put when it comes to their salt intake?

>

> " Certainly I would not tell my patients not to lower their sodium because it

might then raise your cholesterol, " Dr. Tara Narula, a cardiologist at Lenox

Hill Hospital in New York City, told WebMD. " I'd be hard pressed to find other

cardiologists who would say that based on this study that they would not

recommend low-sodium diets to people, especially those that have hypertension

and heart failure. "

>

> The CDC <http://www.cdc.gov/bloodpressure/sodium.htm> recommends a daily

sodium intake for Americans of 2,300 mg a day and also recommends that certain

groups consume 1,500 mg or less each day, including Americans over 51 years old,

African-Americans, and people with hypertension, diabetes, or chronic kidney

disease.

>

> Read more:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57321659-10391704/cutting-back-salt-may-b\

e-worse-for-heart-health-study/#ixzz1dhHtrzEq

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