Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 > In the reverse way, that is what I was hoping to do. Get tested just > after a blood donation, then again 2 months later just before the next > one. I got ferritin rechecked after a donation and it went up. I think maybe you have to give it awhile to balance itself. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 How much blood do they take for a donation? Wouldn't that be enough to affect levels in someone that is low? Elyse > >> In the reverse way, that is what I was hoping to do. Get tested just >> after a blood donation, then again 2 months later just before the next >> one. > > I got ferritin rechecked after a donation and it went up. I think maybe you > have to give it awhile to balance itself. > > Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 --- At 09:08 PM 3/26/2009, sol wrote: > >... I also know of a person who does fine with desiccated thyroid at ferritin of 16-20. The question should be why doesn't everyone? > >I can't help but believe there is more going on with iron and thyroid than just ferritin being too low. Just because no one seems to know how to get low ferritin people to " tolerate " their thyroid meds with low ferritin does not at all mean there isn't some other reason which is being overlooked. Otherwise no one at all could take thyroid meds with very low ferritin, but people DO, and successfully too. ... High copper, or low copper -- both block iron absorption. Bill COPPER TOXICITY SYNDROME http://drlwilson.com/Articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm --- excerpts: Anemia. Copper is needed for iron metabolism. Therefore, an important cause of anemia, especially in women, is a copper imbalance. On a blood test, it looks exactly like an iron-deficient anemia but it will not respond very well to the administration of supplemental iron. The copper imbalance must be corrected and then the anemia vanishes quickly. ... What is biounavailable copper? In this very common situation, copper is present in excess in the body, but it cannot be utilized well. The reason it occurs is that minerals such as copper must be bound and transported within the body. Biounavailability often occurs due to a deficiency of the copper-binding proteins, ceruloplasmin or metallothionein. Without sufficient binding proteins, unbound copper may circulate freely in the body, where it may accumulate primarily in the liver, brain and female organs. When copper is biounavailable, one may have symptoms of both copper toxicity and copper deficiency. ... Liver and transporter problems. A sluggish liver or weak adrenal glands may cause copper to build up in the tissues. Other problems with metallothionein or ceruloplasmin often contribute to copper toxicity or biounavailability. _______________________________________________________________ COPPER TOXICITY http://www.custommedicine.com.au/blog/2007/03/30/copper-toxicity/ --- excerpts: Copper ingestion and absorption is very easy and is inhibited by zinc and molybdenum. The presence of estrogens and xenoestrogens seems to block the body's ability to excrete copper. Therefore if you are low in zinc and molybdenum and are exposed to estrogens/xenoestrogens or estrogen dominant it could potentially lead to copper overload because of copper retention. ... Copper toxicity appears to be far more common than copper deficiencies and can be just as devastating to your health as heavy metals such as mercury and lead can be. Unfortunately for many copper toxicity is largely being ignored by the mainstream medical profession. The main problems related to copper toxicity include: (1) Hormone Imbalances -- blocks T4 production and conversion into T3, by blocking iron it also inhibits steroid hormone pathway resulting with low hormone levels. (2) Fatigue -- by blocking iron absorption, storage and its effects in the mitochondria, also blocks magnesium, and disrupts hormone production. (3) Anxiety/Depression -- it reduces serotonin production (4) Joint Pains (5) Poor Immunity -- viral, fungal and yeast infections (6) Poor sleep -- it blocks melatonin production (7) Hypoglycemia -- by impairing digestion effects sugar absorption, also increases insulin. (8) Cancer -- it is involved in angiogenesis which promotes cancer growth. (9) Allergies/Intolerance -- it increases histamine production [...] --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Sol, being a C282Y heterozygyte I share your view, and Usually simplify it to people who load iron or have an active loading mechanism need ferritin lower, people who don't load iron / don't have active iron loading mechanisms from food etc need higher ferritin readings to work properly with thyroid. Now how those mechanisms actually work aside from that we know there are mutations on the Hfe gene, I don't know. but I do know I have to remind people, one ferritin range for loaders, and anotehr for non loaders, not " one range to make thyroid work properly " beyond that, the digestive process and adding in HCl may help for some, but at what point can a person not absorb ingested iron at all? hmmm it's tricky. Are there other digestive malabsorption issues? or is it just ferritin? is there something else binding with the iron perhaps? therefore would an IV work? I know one member it didn't work for and she left RTH and I've not heard from her in over a year :-( i wish I had a magic wand!!!!!! Cat > > I can't find anywhere to get iron IV's but even if I did I don't think > > they'd give them to me. 29 is not considered anemic, they think it's > > in the acceptable range. W > 29 IS acceptable. I know at least one person who keeps her ferritin at > 30. Even for people with HH that is at the low end, and some might not > feel well there, but I also know of a person who does fine with > dessicated thyroid at ferritin of 16-20. The question should be why > doesn't everyone? > I can't help but believe there is more going on with iron and thyroid > than just ferritin being too low. Just because no one seems to know how > to get low ferritin people to " tolerate " their thyroid meds with low > ferritin does not at all mean there isn't some other reason which is > being overlooked. Otherwise no one at all could take thyroid meds with > very low ferritin, but people DO, and successfully too. > And the body can have good reasons for keeping ferritin low. Infection, > cancer, occult internal bleeding. That very low ferritin might interfere > with thyroid function or thyroid hormone tolerance could be simply a > side effect of those other reasons. Forcing iron absorption might enable > better thyroid med tolerance in the short run, but could possibly have > very dire consequences in the long term. > I will stress that low ferritin can go right along with heavy iron > loading elsewhere in the body. That is why I feel ingesting lots of iron > or using iron IVs can be very risky, unless it is known (known, no > guessing) that there is no iron overloading taking place out of sight. > That is why ferritin alone is an inadequate test in the lower end of the > ranges. > I realize my opinion is not widely shared on this list, but it IS my > opinion, and in my iron readings I have as yet not found reason to > change those opinions, in fact the more I read the more scared I am of > too much iron. > sol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Sol, being a C282Y heterozygyte I share your view, and Usually simplify it to people who load iron or have an active loading mechanism need ferritin lower, people who don't load iron / don't have active iron loading mechanisms from food etc need higher ferritin readings to work properly with thyroid. Now how those mechanisms actually work aside from that we know there are mutations on the Hfe gene, I don't know. but I do know I have to remind people, one ferritin range for loaders, and anotehr for non loaders, not " one range to make thyroid work properly " beyond that, the digestive process and adding in HCl may help for some, but at what point can a person not absorb ingested iron at all? hmmm it's tricky. Are there other digestive malabsorption issues? or is it just ferritin? is there something else binding with the iron perhaps? therefore would an IV work? I know one member it didn't work for and she left RTH and I've not heard from her in over a year :-( i wish I had a magic wand!!!!!! Cat > > I can't find anywhere to get iron IV's but even if I did I don't think > > they'd give them to me. 29 is not considered anemic, they think it's > > in the acceptable range. W > 29 IS acceptable. I know at least one person who keeps her ferritin at > 30. Even for people with HH that is at the low end, and some might not > feel well there, but I also know of a person who does fine with > dessicated thyroid at ferritin of 16-20. The question should be why > doesn't everyone? > I can't help but believe there is more going on with iron and thyroid > than just ferritin being too low. Just because no one seems to know how > to get low ferritin people to " tolerate " their thyroid meds with low > ferritin does not at all mean there isn't some other reason which is > being overlooked. Otherwise no one at all could take thyroid meds with > very low ferritin, but people DO, and successfully too. > And the body can have good reasons for keeping ferritin low. Infection, > cancer, occult internal bleeding. That very low ferritin might interfere > with thyroid function or thyroid hormone tolerance could be simply a > side effect of those other reasons. Forcing iron absorption might enable > better thyroid med tolerance in the short run, but could possibly have > very dire consequences in the long term. > I will stress that low ferritin can go right along with heavy iron > loading elsewhere in the body. That is why I feel ingesting lots of iron > or using iron IVs can be very risky, unless it is known (known, no > guessing) that there is no iron overloading taking place out of sight. > That is why ferritin alone is an inadequate test in the lower end of the > ranges. > I realize my opinion is not widely shared on this list, but it IS my > opinion, and in my iron readings I have as yet not found reason to > change those opinions, in fact the more I read the more scared I am of > too much iron. > sol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 ferritin is a storage protein, the test doesn't work that way. by donating, your whole panel would have changed hopefully as you draw off some blood and your body begins the process to make new blood to replace it, at some point, drawing onthe stored ferritin in order to do so. Just when it will is anybodies guess as is whether or not the ferritin level will raise briefly as part of a self protection mechanism if the body detects teh blood letting as an attack, ferritin is considered a volatile and unreliable test to be used in this manner, you change teh blood volume, you get inflamed, infected stressed, anything it can change. The only use really is if it is consistently below range OR it can be read in conjunction with the rest of the full fasting ferritin panel in order to see what's in serum, what's in stores, how much transferrin there it, how saturated it is, and the cbc, how many rbc's how many wbc', whats the PCV and so on and so on. ferritin on it's own doesn't say much unless consistently high or low, sorry I'm not explaining it very well. :-( but I hope that helps... a bit?... :-) Cat > > > > In the reverse way, that is what I was hoping to do. Get tested just > > after a blood donation, then again 2 months later just before the next > > one. > > I got ferritin rechecked after a donation and it went up. I think maybe you have to give it awhile to balance itself. > > Dorothy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 apologies for posting twice, and that doesn't read right, sorry again, I'll try again once I've slept sorry gang!! Cat > > > I can't find anywhere to get iron IV's but even if I did I don't think > > > they'd give them to me. 29 is not considered anemic, they think it's > > > in the acceptable range. W > > 29 IS acceptable. I know at least one person who keeps her ferritin at > > 30. Even for people with HH that is at the low end, and some might not > > feel well there, but I also know of a person who does fine with > > dessicated thyroid at ferritin of 16-20. The question should be why > > doesn't everyone? > > I can't help but believe there is more going on with iron and thyroid > > than just ferritin being too low. Just because no one seems to know how > > to get low ferritin people to " tolerate " their thyroid meds with low > > ferritin does not at all mean there isn't some other reason which is > > being overlooked. Otherwise no one at all could take thyroid meds with > > very low ferritin, but people DO, and successfully too. > > And the body can have good reasons for keeping ferritin low. Infection, > > cancer, occult internal bleeding. That very low ferritin might interfere > > with thyroid function or thyroid hormone tolerance could be simply a > > side effect of those other reasons. Forcing iron absorption might enable > > better thyroid med tolerance in the short run, but could possibly have > > very dire consequences in the long term. > > I will stress that low ferritin can go right along with heavy iron > > loading elsewhere in the body. That is why I feel ingesting lots of iron > > or using iron IVs can be very risky, unless it is known (known, no > > guessing) that there is no iron overloading taking place out of sight. > > That is why ferritin alone is an inadequate test in the lower end of the > > ranges. > > I realize my opinion is not widely shared on this list, but it IS my > > opinion, and in my iron readings I have as yet not found reason to > > change those opinions, in fact the more I read the more scared I am of > > too much iron. > > sol > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 apologies for posting twice, and that doesn't read right, sorry again, I'll try again once I've slept sorry gang!! Cat > > > I can't find anywhere to get iron IV's but even if I did I don't think > > > they'd give them to me. 29 is not considered anemic, they think it's > > > in the acceptable range. W > > 29 IS acceptable. I know at least one person who keeps her ferritin at > > 30. Even for people with HH that is at the low end, and some might not > > feel well there, but I also know of a person who does fine with > > dessicated thyroid at ferritin of 16-20. The question should be why > > doesn't everyone? > > I can't help but believe there is more going on with iron and thyroid > > than just ferritin being too low. Just because no one seems to know how > > to get low ferritin people to " tolerate " their thyroid meds with low > > ferritin does not at all mean there isn't some other reason which is > > being overlooked. Otherwise no one at all could take thyroid meds with > > very low ferritin, but people DO, and successfully too. > > And the body can have good reasons for keeping ferritin low. Infection, > > cancer, occult internal bleeding. That very low ferritin might interfere > > with thyroid function or thyroid hormone tolerance could be simply a > > side effect of those other reasons. Forcing iron absorption might enable > > better thyroid med tolerance in the short run, but could possibly have > > very dire consequences in the long term. > > I will stress that low ferritin can go right along with heavy iron > > loading elsewhere in the body. That is why I feel ingesting lots of iron > > or using iron IVs can be very risky, unless it is known (known, no > > guessing) that there is no iron overloading taking place out of sight. > > That is why ferritin alone is an inadequate test in the lower end of the > > ranges. > > I realize my opinion is not widely shared on this list, but it IS my > > opinion, and in my iron readings I have as yet not found reason to > > change those opinions, in fact the more I read the more scared I am of > > too much iron. > > sol > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 apologies for posting twice, and that doesn't read right, sorry again, I'll try again once I've slept sorry gang!! Cat > > > I can't find anywhere to get iron IV's but even if I did I don't think > > > they'd give them to me. 29 is not considered anemic, they think it's > > > in the acceptable range. W > > 29 IS acceptable. I know at least one person who keeps her ferritin at > > 30. Even for people with HH that is at the low end, and some might not > > feel well there, but I also know of a person who does fine with > > dessicated thyroid at ferritin of 16-20. The question should be why > > doesn't everyone? > > I can't help but believe there is more going on with iron and thyroid > > than just ferritin being too low. Just because no one seems to know how > > to get low ferritin people to " tolerate " their thyroid meds with low > > ferritin does not at all mean there isn't some other reason which is > > being overlooked. Otherwise no one at all could take thyroid meds with > > very low ferritin, but people DO, and successfully too. > > And the body can have good reasons for keeping ferritin low. Infection, > > cancer, occult internal bleeding. That very low ferritin might interfere > > with thyroid function or thyroid hormone tolerance could be simply a > > side effect of those other reasons. Forcing iron absorption might enable > > better thyroid med tolerance in the short run, but could possibly have > > very dire consequences in the long term. > > I will stress that low ferritin can go right along with heavy iron > > loading elsewhere in the body. That is why I feel ingesting lots of iron > > or using iron IVs can be very risky, unless it is known (known, no > > guessing) that there is no iron overloading taking place out of sight. > > That is why ferritin alone is an inadequate test in the lower end of the > > ranges. > > I realize my opinion is not widely shared on this list, but it IS my > > opinion, and in my iron readings I have as yet not found reason to > > change those opinions, in fact the more I read the more scared I am of > > too much iron. > > sol > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 This is interesting Bill, it explains why the iron supplement I have has copper in it. Though it would help if there was a way to tell if someone was too high or too low in copper Elyse > High copper, or low copper -- both block iron absorption. > > Bill > > COPPER TOXICITY SYNDROME > http://drlwilson.com/Articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 This is interesting Bill, it explains why the iron supplement I have has copper in it. Though it would help if there was a way to tell if someone was too high or too low in copper Elyse > High copper, or low copper -- both block iron absorption. > > Bill > > COPPER TOXICITY SYNDROME > http://drlwilson.com/Articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 A good doctor would test copper, zinc, and iron to see what's going on since the three of these affect each other. HypoT's have gut issues, malabsorption, and possible IBS(especially with hashis) which will affect absorption of everything. Of course, there are also bleeding, cancer, parasites etc. etc. A friend of mine has a doctor who gives his wife an iron IV every 6-9 months based on symptoms. He can't figure out why she won't absorb iron. Sometimes there isn't an answer. > > > High copper, or low copper -- both block iron absorption. > > > > Bill > > > > COPPER TOXICITY SYNDROME > > http://drlwilson.com/Articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 > How much blood do they take for a donation? Wouldn't that be enough > to affect levels in someone that is low? > Elyse If I were low, I would not be donating blood once a month. My ferritin was 196(11-307). After donating blood twice only 2 wks apart it was 222. This was about 1 1/2 weeds after donating. Did not have CBC with first, but with 2nd Hemoglobin was 13.5 (11/5-16.0). Since then, donating once a month, Hgb is 14.5. According to the iron overload site, one donation is good for a ferritin drop of 25. So I am figuring about 2 more donations which will make 6, I will wait a bit and recheck ferritin. Not claiming to know all that much about what I am doing. I can get away with monthly donations because United Blood services and Red Cross records are not connected. I think if my Hgb is OK when I donate there should not be a problem, since it seems to recover in 1 month. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Bill, That is very interesting about the copper. DH and I are both having problems with thyroid meds, he had high estrogen on saliva labs, and I am having periods of estrogen dominance (it comes and goes). How do you test copper? Thanks, > > > >... I also know of a person who does fine with desiccated thyroid at ferritin of 16-20. The question should be why doesn't everyone? > > > >I can't help but believe there is more going on with iron and thyroid than just ferritin being too low. Just because no one seems to know how to get low ferritin people to " tolerate " their thyroid meds with low ferritin does not at all mean there isn't some other reason which is being overlooked. Otherwise no one at all could take thyroid meds with very low ferritin, but people DO, and successfully too. ... > > > High copper, or low copper -- both block iron absorption. > > Bill > > > > COPPER TOXICITY SYNDROME > http://drlwilson.com/Articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm > > --- excerpts: > > Anemia. Copper is needed for iron metabolism. Therefore, an > important cause of anemia, especially in women, is a copper > imbalance. On a blood test, it looks exactly like an > iron-deficient anemia but it will not respond very well to the > administration of supplemental iron. The copper imbalance > must be corrected and then the anemia vanishes quickly. ... > > What is biounavailable copper? In this very common situation, > copper is present in excess in the body, but it cannot be > utilized well. The reason it occurs is that minerals such as > copper must be bound and transported within the body. > > Biounavailability often occurs due to a deficiency of the > copper-binding proteins, ceruloplasmin or metallothionein. > Without sufficient binding proteins, unbound copper may > circulate freely in the body, where it may accumulate > primarily in the liver, brain and female organs. > > When copper is biounavailable, one may have symptoms of both > copper toxicity and copper deficiency. ... > > Liver and transporter problems. A sluggish liver or weak > adrenal glands may cause copper to build up in the tissues. > Other problems with metallothionein or ceruloplasmin often > contribute to copper toxicity or biounavailability. > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > COPPER TOXICITY > http://www.custommedicine.com.au/blog/2007/03/30/copper-toxicity/ > > --- excerpts: > > Copper ingestion and absorption is very easy and is inhibited > by zinc and molybdenum. The presence of estrogens and > xenoestrogens seems to block the body's ability to excrete > copper. Therefore if you are low in zinc and molybdenum and > are exposed to estrogens/xenoestrogens or estrogen dominant it > could potentially lead to copper overload because of copper > retention. > > ... Copper toxicity appears to be far more common than copper > deficiencies and can be just as devastating to your health as > heavy metals such as mercury and lead can be. Unfortunately > for many copper toxicity is largely being ignored by the > mainstream medical profession. > > The main problems related to copper toxicity include: > > (1) Hormone Imbalances -- blocks T4 production and conversion > into T3, by blocking iron it also inhibits steroid hormone > pathway resulting with low hormone levels. > > (2) Fatigue -- by blocking iron absorption, storage and its > effects in the mitochondria, also blocks magnesium, and > disrupts hormone production. > > (3) Anxiety/Depression -- it reduces serotonin production > > (4) Joint Pains > > (5) Poor Immunity -- viral, fungal and yeast infections > > (6) Poor sleep -- it blocks melatonin production > > (7) Hypoglycemia -- by impairing digestion effects sugar > absorption, also increases insulin. > > (8) Cancer -- it is involved in angiogenesis which promotes > cancer growth. > > (9) Allergies/Intolerance -- it increases histamine > production > > > [...] > > > > > > --- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 dorothyroeder wrote: >> In the reverse way, that is what I was hoping to do. Get tested just >> after a blood donation, then again 2 months later just before the next >> one. >> > > I got ferritin rechecked after a donation and it went up. I think maybe you have to give it awhile to balance itself. > I remember that! I wonder if that can happen with later donations? I'm doing my 4th in a couple weeks. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 dorothyroeder wrote: >> In the reverse way, that is what I was hoping to do. Get tested just >> after a blood donation, then again 2 months later just before the next >> one. >> > > I got ferritin rechecked after a donation and it went up. I think maybe you have to give it awhile to balance itself. > I remember that! I wonder if that can happen with later donations? I'm doing my 4th in a couple weeks. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 dorothyroeder wrote: >> In the reverse way, that is what I was hoping to do. Get tested just >> after a blood donation, then again 2 months later just before the next >> one. >> > > I got ferritin rechecked after a donation and it went up. I think maybe you have to give it awhile to balance itself. > I remember that! I wonder if that can happen with later donations? I'm doing my 4th in a couple weeks. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 macedgeca wrote: > How much blood do they take for a donation? Wouldn't that be enough > to affect levels in someone that is low? > Elyse > > Usually for a normal whole blood donation they take 1 unit which is approx a pint. There are other forms of donation, though. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 macedgeca wrote: > How much blood do they take for a donation? Wouldn't that be enough > to affect levels in someone that is low? > Elyse > > Usually for a normal whole blood donation they take 1 unit which is approx a pint. There are other forms of donation, though. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 macedgeca wrote: > How much blood do they take for a donation? Wouldn't that be enough > to affect levels in someone that is low? > Elyse > > Usually for a normal whole blood donation they take 1 unit which is approx a pint. There are other forms of donation, though. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Bill Kingsbury wrote: > High copper, or low copper -- both block iron absorption. > > Bill > > Thanks! That is great info. I'm personally not looking to increase iron absorption, but do have many symtpoms in that list. sol > COPPER TOXICITY SYNDROME > http://drlwilson.com/Articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Bill Kingsbury wrote: > High copper, or low copper -- both block iron absorption. > > Bill > > Thanks! That is great info. I'm personally not looking to increase iron absorption, but do have many symtpoms in that list. sol > COPPER TOXICITY SYNDROME > http://drlwilson.com/Articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Bill Kingsbury wrote: > High copper, or low copper -- both block iron absorption. > > Bill > > Thanks! That is great info. I'm personally not looking to increase iron absorption, but do have many symtpoms in that list. sol > COPPER TOXICITY SYNDROME > http://drlwilson.com/Articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 catliciousoz wrote: > Sol, > > being a C282Y heterozygyte I share your view, and Usually simplify it to people who load iron or have an active loading mechanism need ferritin lower, people who don't load iron / don't have active iron loading mechanisms from food etc need higher ferritin readings to work properly with thyroid. > But the trick is to know if you are an iron loader or not, and ferritin alone doesn't tell that even when ferritin is low. That is all I'm saying, ferritin alone isn't safe to rely on. And I get the distinct impression people ARE relying on ferritin alone to tell them if they are iron loading or not. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 catliciousoz wrote: > Sol, > > being a C282Y heterozygyte I share your view, and Usually simplify it to people who load iron or have an active loading mechanism need ferritin lower, people who don't load iron / don't have active iron loading mechanisms from food etc need higher ferritin readings to work properly with thyroid. > But the trick is to know if you are an iron loader or not, and ferritin alone doesn't tell that even when ferritin is low. That is all I'm saying, ferritin alone isn't safe to rely on. And I get the distinct impression people ARE relying on ferritin alone to tell them if they are iron loading or not. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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