Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 i think i fyou test now you will see how fast you have been able to raise it in this time period so you will have a very good idea when to retest again and also have a date to start thyroid! -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 i think i fyou test now you will see how fast you have been able to raise it in this time period so you will have a very good idea when to retest again and also have a date to start thyroid! -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Yes, I would really like to know how quickly I was able to raise it. My next period is due in about a week though and I have no idea how much iron I lose when that comes around, the last 2 months I've had very heavy periods. I'm anxious to go test ferritin tomorrow but trying to decide wether to wait until after my period, when do you think is the best time of the month to check? On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:22 PM, wrote: > i think i fyou test now you will see how fast you have been able to > raise it in this time period so you will have a very good idea when to > retest again and also have a date to start thyroid! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Well your talking abotu two things I have not had to deal with in over 25 years! No low ferritin and no periods.. Sorry I am no help! -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I've been working on raising ferritin for 2 years. A good heme iron such as proferrin ES is better absorbed. Some people do fine on ferrous fumarate. HypoT. people seem to have a hard time with absorbing iron. Three weeks isn't long enough for most. I'd recheck in 2 months so you can see if there's improvement. Since any thyroid med. will not work w/o adequate ferritin levels, I am doing an iron IV. Good luck. > > Well your talking abotu two things I have not had to deal with in over > 25 years! No low ferritin and no periods.. Sorry I am no help! > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 That's ok, there were some women that knew a lot about testing iron, they might know and hopefully pipe in. Thanks. On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:34 PM, wrote: > Well your talking abotu two things I have not had to deal with in over > 25 years! No low ferritin and no periods.. Sorry I am no help! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 That's ok, there were some women that knew a lot about testing iron, they might know and hopefully pipe in. Thanks. On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:34 PM, wrote: > Well your talking abotu two things I have not had to deal with in over > 25 years! No low ferritin and no periods.. Sorry I am no help! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I can't find anywhere to get iron IV's but even if I did I don't think they'd give them to me. 29 is not considered anemic, they think it's in the acceptable range. Where can you get the iron IV, are you in US or UK and do you think only one will make a difference? Elyse On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:40 PM, low_carb_crystal wrote: > > I've been working on raising ferritin for 2 years. A good heme iron such as > proferrin ES is better absorbed. Some people do fine on ferrous fumarate. > HypoT. people seem to have a hard time with absorbing iron. Three weeks > isn't long enough for most. I'd recheck in 2 months so you can see if > there's improvement. Since any thyroid med. will not work w/o adequate > ferritin levels, I am doing an iron IV. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I can't find anywhere to get iron IV's but even if I did I don't think they'd give them to me. 29 is not considered anemic, they think it's in the acceptable range. Where can you get the iron IV, are you in US or UK and do you think only one will make a difference? Elyse On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:40 PM, low_carb_crystal wrote: > > I've been working on raising ferritin for 2 years. A good heme iron such as > proferrin ES is better absorbed. Some people do fine on ferrous fumarate. > HypoT. people seem to have a hard time with absorbing iron. Three weeks > isn't long enough for most. I'd recheck in 2 months so you can see if > there's improvement. Since any thyroid med. will not work w/o adequate > ferritin levels, I am doing an iron IV. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I can't find anywhere to get iron IV's but even if I did I don't think they'd give them to me. 29 is not considered anemic, they think it's in the acceptable range. Where can you get the iron IV, are you in US or UK and do you think only one will make a difference? Elyse On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:40 PM, low_carb_crystal wrote: > > I've been working on raising ferritin for 2 years. A good heme iron such as > proferrin ES is better absorbed. Some people do fine on ferrous fumarate. > HypoT. people seem to have a hard time with absorbing iron. Three weeks > isn't long enough for most. I'd recheck in 2 months so you can see if > there's improvement. Since any thyroid med. will not work w/o adequate > ferritin levels, I am doing an iron IV. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I'm in the US. I have had 3 doctors tell me that thyroid hormones will not work w/o enough ferritin. I tried to get it up with supplements but it doesn't work for me. By definition, I am not anemic either but ferritin is at the bottom of range. Most doctors will not justify an IV unless ferritin is below range with low hemoglobin. I happen to have a good doctor who listens to me and tries to help, at least. I hope the supplements work for you, they should if you're absorbing it well. I'm i > > > > I've been working on raising ferritin for 2 years. A good heme iron such as > > proferrin ES is better absorbed. Some people do fine on ferrous fumarate. > > HypoT. people seem to have a hard time with absorbing iron. Three weeks > > isn't long enough for most. I'd recheck in 2 months so you can see if > > there's improvement. Since any thyroid med. will not work w/o adequate > > ferritin levels, I am doing an iron IV. Good luck. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I'm in the US. I have had 3 doctors tell me that thyroid hormones will not work w/o enough ferritin. I tried to get it up with supplements but it doesn't work for me. By definition, I am not anemic either but ferritin is at the bottom of range. Most doctors will not justify an IV unless ferritin is below range with low hemoglobin. I happen to have a good doctor who listens to me and tries to help, at least. I hope the supplements work for you, they should if you're absorbing it well. I'm i > > > > I've been working on raising ferritin for 2 years. A good heme iron such as > > proferrin ES is better absorbed. Some people do fine on ferrous fumarate. > > HypoT. people seem to have a hard time with absorbing iron. Three weeks > > isn't long enough for most. I'd recheck in 2 months so you can see if > > there's improvement. Since any thyroid med. will not work w/o adequate > > ferritin levels, I am doing an iron IV. Good luck. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 3 doctors is pretty impressive. I can't tell yet if the supplements are helping, but I have learned that it helps to not only take Vitamin C with iron but also HCl. I think my biggest problem is high iron loss every month from menorrhagia. On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:49 PM, low_carb_crystal wrote: > I'm in the US. I have had 3 doctors tell me that thyroid hormones will not > work w/o enough ferritin. I tried to get it up with supplements but it > doesn't work for me. By definition, I am not anemic either but ferritin is > at the bottom of range. Most doctors will not justify an IV unless ferritin > is below range with low hemoglobin. I happen to have a good doctor who > listens to me and tries to help, at least. I hope the supplements work for > you, they should if you're absorbing it well. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 3 doctors is pretty impressive. I can't tell yet if the supplements are helping, but I have learned that it helps to not only take Vitamin C with iron but also HCl. I think my biggest problem is high iron loss every month from menorrhagia. On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:49 PM, low_carb_crystal wrote: > I'm in the US. I have had 3 doctors tell me that thyroid hormones will not > work w/o enough ferritin. I tried to get it up with supplements but it > doesn't work for me. By definition, I am not anemic either but ferritin is > at the bottom of range. Most doctors will not justify an IV unless ferritin > is below range with low hemoglobin. I happen to have a good doctor who > listens to me and tries to help, at least. I hope the supplements work for > you, they should if you're absorbing it well. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 macedgeca wrote: > My next period is due in about a week though and I have no idea how > much iron I lose when that comes around, the last 2 months I've had If you can afford it, I think it might just be very interesting to test ferritin now, and again after your next period. Knowing how much it lowers with a period could be helpful to you. In the reverse way, that is what I was hoping to do. Get tested just after a blood donation, then again 2 months later just before the next one. Unfortunately I've not been able to do that, but I wish I could. You need to know how fast your ferritin lowers, I need to know how fast mine is raising. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 macedgeca wrote: > My next period is due in about a week though and I have no idea how > much iron I lose when that comes around, the last 2 months I've had If you can afford it, I think it might just be very interesting to test ferritin now, and again after your next period. Knowing how much it lowers with a period could be helpful to you. In the reverse way, that is what I was hoping to do. Get tested just after a blood donation, then again 2 months later just before the next one. Unfortunately I've not been able to do that, but I wish I could. You need to know how fast your ferritin lowers, I need to know how fast mine is raising. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 macedgeca wrote: > I can't find anywhere to get iron IV's but even if I did I don't think > they'd give them to me. 29 is not considered anemic, they think it's > in the acceptable range. W 29 IS acceptable. I know at least one person who keeps her ferritin at 30. Even for people with HH that is at the low end, and some might not feel well there, but I also know of a person who does fine with dessicated thyroid at ferritin of 16-20. The question should be why doesn't everyone? I can't help but believe there is more going on with iron and thyroid than just ferritin being too low. Just because no one seems to know how to get low ferritin people to " tolerate " their thyroid meds with low ferritin does not at all mean there isn't some other reason which is being overlooked. Otherwise no one at all could take thyroid meds with very low ferritin, but people DO, and successfully too. And the body can have good reasons for keeping ferritin low. Infection, cancer, occult internal bleeding. That very low ferritin might interfere with thyroid function or thyroid hormone tolerance could be simply a side effect of those other reasons. Forcing iron absorption might enable better thyroid med tolerance in the short run, but could possibly have very dire consequences in the long term. I will stress that low ferritin can go right along with heavy iron loading elsewhere in the body. That is why I feel ingesting lots of iron or using iron IVs can be very risky, unless it is known (known, no guessing) that there is no iron overloading taking place out of sight. That is why ferritin alone is an inadequate test in the lower end of the ranges. I realize my opinion is not widely shared on this list, but it IS my opinion, and in my iron readings I have as yet not found reason to change those opinions, in fact the more I read the more scared I am of too much iron. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 macedgeca wrote: > I can't find anywhere to get iron IV's but even if I did I don't think > they'd give them to me. 29 is not considered anemic, they think it's > in the acceptable range. W 29 IS acceptable. I know at least one person who keeps her ferritin at 30. Even for people with HH that is at the low end, and some might not feel well there, but I also know of a person who does fine with dessicated thyroid at ferritin of 16-20. The question should be why doesn't everyone? I can't help but believe there is more going on with iron and thyroid than just ferritin being too low. Just because no one seems to know how to get low ferritin people to " tolerate " their thyroid meds with low ferritin does not at all mean there isn't some other reason which is being overlooked. Otherwise no one at all could take thyroid meds with very low ferritin, but people DO, and successfully too. And the body can have good reasons for keeping ferritin low. Infection, cancer, occult internal bleeding. That very low ferritin might interfere with thyroid function or thyroid hormone tolerance could be simply a side effect of those other reasons. Forcing iron absorption might enable better thyroid med tolerance in the short run, but could possibly have very dire consequences in the long term. I will stress that low ferritin can go right along with heavy iron loading elsewhere in the body. That is why I feel ingesting lots of iron or using iron IVs can be very risky, unless it is known (known, no guessing) that there is no iron overloading taking place out of sight. That is why ferritin alone is an inadequate test in the lower end of the ranges. I realize my opinion is not widely shared on this list, but it IS my opinion, and in my iron readings I have as yet not found reason to change those opinions, in fact the more I read the more scared I am of too much iron. sol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I was thinking about that too. I'd like to know how quickly I can raise it as well. Elyse > macedgeca wrote: >> My next period is due in about a week though and I have no idea how >> much iron I lose when that comes around, the last 2 months I've had > If you can afford it, I think it might just be very interesting to test > ferritin now, and again after your next period. Knowing how much it > lowers with a period could be helpful to you. > In the reverse way, that is what I was hoping to do. Get tested just > after a blood donation, then again 2 months later just before the next > one. Unfortunately I've not been able to do that, but I wish I could. > You need to know how fast your ferritin lowers, I need to know how fast > mine is raising. > sol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I was thinking about that too. I'd like to know how quickly I can raise it as well. Elyse > macedgeca wrote: >> My next period is due in about a week though and I have no idea how >> much iron I lose when that comes around, the last 2 months I've had > If you can afford it, I think it might just be very interesting to test > ferritin now, and again after your next period. Knowing how much it > lowers with a period could be helpful to you. > In the reverse way, that is what I was hoping to do. Get tested just > after a blood donation, then again 2 months later just before the next > one. Unfortunately I've not been able to do that, but I wish I could. > You need to know how fast your ferritin lowers, I need to know how fast > mine is raising. > sol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Your concerns are valid but sometimes making an educated guess is necessary. Being hypoT. for 25 years can be terminal . I'm doing an IV next week, we'll see how things go. > > I can't find anywhere to get iron IV's but even if I did I don't think > > they'd give them to me. 29 is not considered anemic, they think it's > > in the acceptable range. W > 29 IS acceptable. I know at least one person who keeps her ferritin at > 30. Even for people with HH that is at the low end, and some might not > feel well there, but I also know of a person who does fine with > dessicated thyroid at ferritin of 16-20. The question should be why > doesn't everyone? > I can't help but believe there is more going on with iron and thyroid > than just ferritin being too low. Just because no one seems to know how > to get low ferritin people to " tolerate " their thyroid meds with low > ferritin does not at all mean there isn't some other reason which is > being overlooked. Otherwise no one at all could take thyroid meds with > very low ferritin, but people DO, and successfully too. > And the body can have good reasons for keeping ferritin low. Infection, > cancer, occult internal bleeding. That very low ferritin might interfere > with thyroid function or thyroid hormone tolerance could be simply a > side effect of those other reasons. Forcing iron absorption might enable > better thyroid med tolerance in the short run, but could possibly have > very dire consequences in the long term. > I will stress that low ferritin can go right along with heavy iron > loading elsewhere in the body. That is why I feel ingesting lots of iron > or using iron IVs can be very risky, unless it is known (known, no > guessing) that there is no iron overloading taking place out of sight. > That is why ferritin alone is an inadequate test in the lower end of the > ranges. > I realize my opinion is not widely shared on this list, but it IS my > opinion, and in my iron readings I have as yet not found reason to > change those opinions, in fact the more I read the more scared I am of > too much iron. > sol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Yes some people do function well on lower amounts, just like some people have been tested to have infections but live a-symptomatically where others would get very sick. I think some peoples bodies have a synergy that just works, and it's not always the level one thing. In my case like I mentioned I have a lot of loss each month, so I think my levels are low and are an issue, I think they would normally be higher otherwise. I just really want to try T3 and want my levels to be ok for that. I might try a small amount when I'm at least getting close to a better level. Elyse > macedgeca wrote: >> I can't find anywhere to get iron IV's but even if I did I don't think >> they'd give them to me. 29 is not considered anemic, they think it's >> inYes the acceptable range. W > 29 IS acceptable. I know at least one person who keeps her ferritin at > 30. Even for people with HH that is at the low end, and some might not > feel well there, but I also know of a person who does fine with > dessicated thyroid at ferritin of 16-20. The question should be why > doesn't everyone? > I can't help but believe there is more going on with iron and thyroid > than just ferritin being too low. Just because no one seems to know how > to get low ferritin people to " tolerate " their thyroid meds with low > ferritin does not at all mean there isn't some other reason which is > being overlooked. Otherwise no one at all could take thyroid meds with > very low ferritin, but people DO, and successfully too. > And the body can have good reasons for keeping ferritin low. Infection, > cancer, occult internal bleeding. That very low ferritin might interfere > with thyroid function or thyroid hormone tolerance could be simply a > side effect of those other reasons. Forcing iron absorption might enable > better thyroid med tolerance in the short run, but could possibly have > very dire consequences in the long term. > I will stress that low ferritin can go right along with heavy iron > loading elsewhere in the body. That is why I feel ingesting lots of iron > or using iron IVs can be very risky, unless it is known (known, no > guessing) that there is no iron overloading taking place out of sight. > That is why ferritin alone is an inadequate test in the lower end of the > ranges. > I realize my opinion is not widely shared on this list, but it IS my > opinion, and in my iron readings I have as yet not found reason to > change those opinions, in fact the more I read the more scared I am of > too much iron. > sol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I feel the same way Crystal, I've been sick for far too long, I really have to experiment. I can't just trust my body to do what it needs to do because it hasn't done it yet. I'd really like to hear how it goes with the IV. Do you know what your ferritin is now? Elyse On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:23 AM, low_carb_crystal wrote: > > Your concerns are valid but sometimes making an educated guess is necessary. > Being hypoT. for 25 years can be terminal . I'm doing an IV next week, we'll > see how things go. > > >> 29 IS acceptable. I know at least one person who keeps her ferritin at >> 30. Even for people with HH that is at the low end, and some might not >> feel well there, but I also know of a person who does fine with >> dessicated thyroid at ferritin of 16-20. The question should be why >> doesn't everyone?.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I feel the same way Crystal, I've been sick for far too long, I really have to experiment. I can't just trust my body to do what it needs to do because it hasn't done it yet. I'd really like to hear how it goes with the IV. Do you know what your ferritin is now? Elyse On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:23 AM, low_carb_crystal wrote: > > Your concerns are valid but sometimes making an educated guess is necessary. > Being hypoT. for 25 years can be terminal . I'm doing an IV next week, we'll > see how things go. > > >> 29 IS acceptable. I know at least one person who keeps her ferritin at >> 30. Even for people with HH that is at the low end, and some might not >> feel well there, but I also know of a person who does fine with >> dessicated thyroid at ferritin of 16-20. The question should be why >> doesn't everyone?.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 > In the reverse way, that is what I was hoping to do. Get tested just > after a blood donation, then again 2 months later just before the next > one. I got ferritin rechecked after a donation and it went up. I think maybe you have to give it awhile to balance itself. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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