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Val, when do I know when my adrenals are doing well enough to up my Armour? My

standing BP has been staying up pretty good the past month. The only time it

doesn't when I had a bad stress taking care of my litle grandaughter and then

not sleeping hardly at all. But I came right out of both of them. My biggest

problem is not sleeping good. I can tell the difference also of when the

standing BP is going down instead of up.

I have been on 25mg HC for a couple weeks (was on 40mg in Jan), just went on

down today to 22.5 mg HC like doc said; hope it doesn't cause problems with the

standing BP. I am done taking HC by noon. And I have noticed I do not have any

problems the rest of the day up until bedtime even tho I take no HC after

noontime. That really surprised me too. But that is how the doc wanted me to

take it so I tried it; it works, so far anyway. What do I look for if I should

not go down with HC anymore??? I come down if you remember because of adrenaline

and my BLP was sky high. We figured it was because my adrenals were getting

better and I did not need that much HC anymore.

I had a blood test this morning for FT3, FT4, TSH & Vit D. I see the doc on the

18th. Last month when she only did Total T3 instead of free my number was 116

with a ref. range of 80-190. I would say I was down at the bottom don't you??

I was on 90mg Armour with 25mcg T3. You had me do this to help give my adrenals

a rest along with the supplements that have really helped them, the sea salt,

B12, Vit D. My hypo symptoms are really bad now; arthritis really bad, body

aches & pains especially hands, legs, feet, back; am fatigued constantly now, a

little better in later afternoon but still not good. My hands are so sore now

and my legs and back are so bad I can hardly get up from my knees when I pray.

Sure hope this will change soon. I should not have a problem with RT3 with the

T3 I am still taking will I???

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T3 is not what causes RT3 it is Armour because of the T4 in it. I would

be careful lowering the HC this quickly. Just lowering too fast can

cause issues even if you do not need it. You need ot hold this HC dose

at least a week before raising thyroid any longer. Graph your temps!

That is how we know if adrneals can tolerate more thyroid.

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Hi Val, got results of the blood tests today at the docs office. The lab had

not sent her all the results so she had to call to get the rest that is why I

did not get to give them to you before seeing doc. The resuls are which were

taken 3/11/09:

FT3....3.6.....2.4-3.9

FT4....0.6.....0.6-1.2

TSH.....02.....0.40-5.80

Vit D...34.....25-80

At the time of the bloodl draw I was on 25mg HC and 90 mg Armour with 25mcg of

T3. Went on 90 mg Armour on Jan. 27 and 25mcg T3 on Feb 3.

On 2/6/09 I had blood drawn but the new Doc only did the totals T3 & 4. I will

give you those in case you may understand them. I had been on Armour 60mg for

13 days prior to test with 50mcg T3;

Total T3.......116.....80-190

T4.........4.6......5.0-12.5

On 12/15/08 I had bloodl draw, was taking 40mg HC and 75mcg T3.

FT3....5.19....2.5-3.9 (you said low cortisol which it was)

FT4...... 0.3... 0.6-1.7

TSH..... .01.......4-3.0

Cortisal AM.... 1.8...6.7-22.l6 (no meds before test)

Well what do you think? I am still working with temps to get a few days

together for you. Today I averaged 98.8 but was on the go some today, to the

doc and then visiting. It always seems to be higher if I am out and about.

Yesterday I avaraged 98.7. The day before I only got 2 temps done and it

averaged 98.8. The two days before that I only did 2 a day and averaqed 98.5

both times. So I need to keep doing the three times a day. I have been taking

a nap sometimes, what do I do then? I am still having hypo symptoms but my doc

says my FT3 are good and that I should not need to change my thyroid

dosage....the last few days because of stress my standing BP goes down in the

mornings. If I don't sleep good which is most of it, should I stress dose that

day and if so how much????

> I had a blood test this morning for FT3, FT4, TSH & Vit D. I see the doc on

the 18th. Last month when she only did Total T3 instead of free my number was

116 with a ref. range of 80-190. I would say I was down at the bottom don't

you?? I was on 90mg Armour with 25mcg T3. You had me do this to help give my

adrenals a rest along with the supplements that have really helped them, the sea

salt, B12, Vit D. My hypo symptoms are really bad now; arthritis really bad,

body aches & pains especially hands, legs, feet, back; am fatigued constantly

now, a little better in later afternoon but still not good. My hands are so

sore now and my legs and back are so bad I can hardly get up from my knees when

I pray. Sure hope this will change soon. I should not have a problem with RT3

with the T3 I am still taking will I???

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Hi Val, got results of the blood tests today at the docs office. The lab had

not sent her all the results so she had to call to get the rest that is why I

did not get to give them to you before seeing doc. The resuls are which were

taken 3/11/09:

FT3....3.6.....2.4-3.9

FT4....0.6.....0.6-1.2

TSH.....02.....0.40-5.80

Vit D...34.....25-80

At the time of the bloodl draw I was on 25mg HC and 90 mg Armour with 25mcg of

T3. Went on 90 mg Armour on Jan. 27 and 25mcg T3 on Feb 3.

On 2/6/09 I had blood drawn but the new Doc only did the totals T3 & 4. I will

give you those in case you may understand them. I had been on Armour 60mg for

13 days prior to test with 50mcg T3;

Total T3.......116.....80-190

T4.........4.6......5.0-12.5

On 12/15/08 I had bloodl draw, was taking 40mg HC and 75mcg T3.

FT3....5.19....2.5-3.9 (you said low cortisol which it was)

FT4...... 0.3... 0.6-1.7

TSH..... .01.......4-3.0

Cortisal AM.... 1.8...6.7-22.l6 (no meds before test)

Well what do you think? I am still working with temps to get a few days

together for you. Today I averaged 98.8 but was on the go some today, to the

doc and then visiting. It always seems to be higher if I am out and about.

Yesterday I avaraged 98.7. The day before I only got 2 temps done and it

averaged 98.8. The two days before that I only did 2 a day and averaqed 98.5

both times. So I need to keep doing the three times a day. I have been taking

a nap sometimes, what do I do then? I am still having hypo symptoms but my doc

says my FT3 are good and that I should not need to change my thyroid

dosage....the last few days because of stress my standing BP goes down in the

mornings. If I don't sleep good which is most of it, should I stress dose that

day and if so how much????

> I had a blood test this morning for FT3, FT4, TSH & Vit D. I see the doc on

the 18th. Last month when she only did Total T3 instead of free my number was

116 with a ref. range of 80-190. I would say I was down at the bottom don't

you?? I was on 90mg Armour with 25mcg T3. You had me do this to help give my

adrenals a rest along with the supplements that have really helped them, the sea

salt, B12, Vit D. My hypo symptoms are really bad now; arthritis really bad,

body aches & pains especially hands, legs, feet, back; am fatigued constantly

now, a little better in later afternoon but still not good. My hands are so

sore now and my legs and back are so bad I can hardly get up from my knees when

I pray. Sure hope this will change soon. I should not have a problem with RT3

with the T3 I am still taking will I???

>

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n something is wrong here. I feel we are missing something. Your

thyroid labs in their ranges look fairly good maybe could be a tad

higher, bu wiht your temps that high, I ma leaning towards aldosterone

issues. Also have yo had sex hormones tested recently?

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n something is wrong here. I feel we are missing something. Your

thyroid labs in their ranges look fairly good maybe could be a tad

higher, bu wiht your temps that high, I ma leaning towards aldosterone

issues. Also have yo had sex hormones tested recently?

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

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I had aldosterone tested recently and you said it was okay. No I have not had

any sex hormones tested recently. However this morning I did a urine and saliva

test to check for why I don't sleep good and she said for mood. They are

checking the following at NeuroScience: cortisol, epinephrine, norepinephrine,

serotonin, glcine, GABA, Glutamate, PEA, histamine, creatinine. Has anyone

ever had this done?

Could my coming down off of so much HC be the cdause of high temps and joint &

muscle pain? I was on 40mg, and now down to 25mg in a months time. Of course I

had terribly high BP, that is why she dropped me from 35mg to 30mg so quickly,

then 2.5mg a week after that. But I stopped at 25mg cause BP was much better

and then I noticed that my standing BP was going down in the mornings quite

often, but back up in the afternoon.

> n something is wrong here. I feel we are missing something. Your

> thyroid labs in their ranges look fairly good maybe could be a tad

> higher, bu wiht your temps that high, I ma leaning towards aldosterone

> issues. Also have yo had sex hormones tested recently?

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

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I had aldosterone tested recently and you said it was okay. No I have not had

any sex hormones tested recently. However this morning I did a urine and saliva

test to check for why I don't sleep good and she said for mood. They are

checking the following at NeuroScience: cortisol, epinephrine, norepinephrine,

serotonin, glcine, GABA, Glutamate, PEA, histamine, creatinine. Has anyone

ever had this done?

Could my coming down off of so much HC be the cdause of high temps and joint &

muscle pain? I was on 40mg, and now down to 25mg in a months time. Of course I

had terribly high BP, that is why she dropped me from 35mg to 30mg so quickly,

then 2.5mg a week after that. But I stopped at 25mg cause BP was much better

and then I noticed that my standing BP was going down in the mornings quite

often, but back up in the afternoon.

> n something is wrong here. I feel we are missing something. Your

> thyroid labs in their ranges look fairly good maybe could be a tad

> higher, bu wiht your temps that high, I ma leaning towards aldosterone

> issues. Also have yo had sex hormones tested recently?

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

>

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Well I will try again, I wrote answer to this but it did not get posted to the

forum.

I had aldosterone done in Decembaer, you said it was fine. I have not had sex

hormones checked for quite some time. Could the high temps & joint & muscle

aches come from stress and not resting good?? Could it also be the result of

coming down from 40mg HC to 25mg in a months time. I had dropped to 35mg myself

before saw new doc and she immediately told me to stay at 30mg because of high

BP and drop 2.5mg a week till BP was better. I stopped at 25mg; when tried

22.5mg I did not feel good so stayed at 25mg.

I told her I do not rest good at night, have trouble sleeping. She gave me a

urine & saliva test from NeuroScience to take this morning. It says it is

testing cortisol, epinephrine, norepinephrine, serotonin, glycine, GABA,

glutamate, PEA,histamine, creatinine. Has anyone ever had this test before??

Has anyone used this company??

> n something is wrong here. I feel we are missing something. Your

> thyroid labs in their ranges look fairly good maybe could be a tad

> higher, bu wiht your temps that high, I ma leaning towards aldosterone

> issues. Also have yo had sex hormones tested recently?

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

>

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Well I will try again, I wrote answer to this but it did not get posted to the

forum.

I had aldosterone done in Decembaer, you said it was fine. I have not had sex

hormones checked for quite some time. Could the high temps & joint & muscle

aches come from stress and not resting good?? Could it also be the result of

coming down from 40mg HC to 25mg in a months time. I had dropped to 35mg myself

before saw new doc and she immediately told me to stay at 30mg because of high

BP and drop 2.5mg a week till BP was better. I stopped at 25mg; when tried

22.5mg I did not feel good so stayed at 25mg.

I told her I do not rest good at night, have trouble sleeping. She gave me a

urine & saliva test from NeuroScience to take this morning. It says it is

testing cortisol, epinephrine, norepinephrine, serotonin, glycine, GABA,

glutamate, PEA,histamine, creatinine. Has anyone ever had this test before??

Has anyone used this company??

> n something is wrong here. I feel we are missing something. Your

> thyroid labs in their ranges look fairly good maybe could be a tad

> higher, bu wiht your temps that high, I ma leaning towards aldosterone

> issues. Also have yo had sex hormones tested recently?

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

>

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>.. Could the high temps & joint & muscle aches come from stress and not

resting good??

because of high BP

> I told her I do not rest good at night, have trouble sleeping.

That sounds like me except I have headache and not really high temp.

I think mine is low potassium. But haven't solved it yet. Still feel awful.

Dorothy

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>.. Could the high temps & joint & muscle aches come from stress and not

resting good??

because of high BP

> I told her I do not rest good at night, have trouble sleeping.

That sounds like me except I have headache and not really high temp.

I think mine is low potassium. But haven't solved it yet. Still feel awful.

Dorothy

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I had the test, and so did my son. You will be so so happy with the results.

Subject: Re: Adrenals & ArmourTo: RT3_T3 Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 11:24 AM

I had aldosterone tested recently and you said it was okay. No I have not had any sex hormones tested recently. However this morning I did a urine and saliva test to check for why I don't sleep good and she said for mood. They are checking the following at NeuroScience: cortisol, epinephrine, norepinephrine, serotonin, glcine, GABA, Glutamate, PEA, histamine, creatinine. Has anyone ever had this done? Could my coming down off of so much HC be the cdause of high temps and joint & muscle pain? I was on 40mg, and now down to 25mg in a months time. Of course I had terribly high BP, that is why she dropped me from 35mg to 30mg so quickly, then 2.5mg a week after that.

But I stopped at 25mg cause BP was much better and then I noticed that my standing BP was going down in the mornings quite often, but back up in the afternoon.> n something is wrong here. I feel we are missing something. Your > thyroid labs in their ranges look fairly good maybe could be a tad > higher, bu wiht your temps that high, I ma leaning towards aldosterone > issues. Also have yo had sex hormones tested recently?> > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/>------------------------------------

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I had the test, and so did my son. You will be so so happy with the results.

Subject: Re: Adrenals & ArmourTo: RT3_T3 Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 11:24 AM

I had aldosterone tested recently and you said it was okay. No I have not had any sex hormones tested recently. However this morning I did a urine and saliva test to check for why I don't sleep good and she said for mood. They are checking the following at NeuroScience: cortisol, epinephrine, norepinephrine, serotonin, glcine, GABA, Glutamate, PEA, histamine, creatinine. Has anyone ever had this done? Could my coming down off of so much HC be the cdause of high temps and joint & muscle pain? I was on 40mg, and now down to 25mg in a months time. Of course I had terribly high BP, that is why she dropped me from 35mg to 30mg so quickly, then 2.5mg a week after that.

But I stopped at 25mg cause BP was much better and then I noticed that my standing BP was going down in the mornings quite often, but back up in the afternoon.> n something is wrong here. I feel we are missing something. Your > thyroid labs in their ranges look fairly good maybe could be a tad > higher, bu wiht your temps that high, I ma leaning towards aldosterone > issues. Also have yo had sex hormones tested recently?> > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/>------------------------------------

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> I had aldosterone tested recently and you said it was okay.  No I have not had

any sex hormones tested recently.  However this morning I did a urine and saliva

test to check for why I don't sleep good and she said for mood.  They are

checking the following at NeuroScience: cortisol, epinephrine, norepinephrine,

serotonin, glcine, GABA, Glutamate, PEA, histamine, creatinine.   Has anyone

ever had this done? 

> Could my coming down off of so much HC be the cdause of high temps and joint &

muscle pain?  I was on 40mg, and now down to 25mg in a months time.  Of course I

had terribly high BP, that is why she dropped me from 35mg to 30mg so quickly,

then 2.5mg a week after that.  But I stopped at 25mg cause BP was much better

and then I noticed that my standing BP was going down in the mornings quite

often, but back up in the afternoon.

> > n something is wrong here. I feel we are missing something. Your

> > thyroid labs in their ranges look fairly good maybe could be a tad

> > higher, bu wiht your temps that high, I ma leaning towards aldosterone

> > issues. Also have yo had sex hormones tested recently?

> >

> > --

> >                        Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> >                       

> >                           http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> >               

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> >                     http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> >

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> I had aldosterone tested recently and you said it was okay.  No I have not had

any sex hormones tested recently.  However this morning I did a urine and saliva

test to check for why I don't sleep good and she said for mood.  They are

checking the following at NeuroScience: cortisol, epinephrine, norepinephrine,

serotonin, glcine, GABA, Glutamate, PEA, histamine, creatinine.   Has anyone

ever had this done? 

> Could my coming down off of so much HC be the cdause of high temps and joint &

muscle pain?  I was on 40mg, and now down to 25mg in a months time.  Of course I

had terribly high BP, that is why she dropped me from 35mg to 30mg so quickly,

then 2.5mg a week after that.  But I stopped at 25mg cause BP was much better

and then I noticed that my standing BP was going down in the mornings quite

often, but back up in the afternoon.

> > n something is wrong here. I feel we are missing something. Your

> > thyroid labs in their ranges look fairly good maybe could be a tad

> > higher, bu wiht your temps that high, I ma leaning towards aldosterone

> > issues. Also have yo had sex hormones tested recently?

> >

> > --

> >                        Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> >                       

> >                           http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> >               

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> >                     http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> >

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> I had aldosterone tested recently and you said it was okay.  No I have not had

any sex hormones tested recently.  However this morning I did a urine and saliva

test to check for why I don't sleep good and she said for mood.  They are

checking the following at NeuroScience: cortisol, epinephrine, norepinephrine,

serotonin, glcine, GABA, Glutamate, PEA, histamine, creatinine.   Has anyone

ever had this done? 

> Could my coming down off of so much HC be the cdause of high temps and joint &

muscle pain?  I was on 40mg, and now down to 25mg in a months time.  Of course I

had terribly high BP, that is why she dropped me from 35mg to 30mg so quickly,

then 2.5mg a week after that.  But I stopped at 25mg cause BP was much better

and then I noticed that my standing BP was going down in the mornings quite

often, but back up in the afternoon.

> > n something is wrong here. I feel we are missing something. Your

> > thyroid labs in their ranges look fairly good maybe could be a tad

> > higher, bu wiht your temps that high, I ma leaning towards aldosterone

> > issues. Also have yo had sex hormones tested recently?

> >

> > --

> >                        Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> >                       

> >                           http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> >               

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> >                     http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> >

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I did have headaches but they are much better now. Sure wish I knew for sure

what is causing my temps to be up, just started it recently also. Thanks for

the input....

> >.. Could the high temps & joint & muscle aches come from stress and not

resting good??

> because of high BP

> > I told her I do not rest good at night, have trouble sleeping.

>

> That sounds like me except I have headache and not really high temp.

> I think mine is low potassium. But haven't solved it yet. Still feel awful.

>

> Dorothy

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I did have headaches but they are much better now. Sure wish I knew for sure

what is causing my temps to be up, just started it recently also. Thanks for

the input....

> >.. Could the high temps & joint & muscle aches come from stress and not

resting good??

> because of high BP

> > I told her I do not rest good at night, have trouble sleeping.

>

> That sounds like me except I have headache and not really high temp.

> I think mine is low potassium. But haven't solved it yet. Still feel awful.

>

> Dorothy

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I did have headaches but they are much better now. Sure wish I knew for sure

what is causing my temps to be up, just started it recently also. Thanks for

the input....

> >.. Could the high temps & joint & muscle aches come from stress and not

resting good??

> because of high BP

> > I told her I do not rest good at night, have trouble sleeping.

>

> That sounds like me except I have headache and not really high temp.

> I think mine is low potassium. But haven't solved it yet. Still feel awful.

>

> Dorothy

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I got the results back on my sleep difficulty check. I was low in the

following:

epinephrine...5.6...8-11

norepinephrine...16.9...35-45

serotonin...62.4....125-175.

She gave me TravaCor for neurotransmitter support. I take it one hour before

bed. She also gave me AdreCor for adrenal and neurotransmitter support. Sure

hope it helps. Do you have any idea why I am so low on these?

I am now down to 22.5 HC since the 10th. Have a little headache, more than

before. I am still on 90mg Armour and 25mcg of T3. I ask doc if I could go up

on my Armour and she said only if I went down on the T3. What do you think?

However the sweats that I had so much when I bowled, I noticed last week hardly

sweat at all so that is a plus. Do you think it was the HC, or thyroid? My

aldosterone was fine and I am still on sea salt. I sweat like that for a year

or more.

> I had aldosterone tested recently and you said it was okay. No I have not had

any sex hormones tested recently. However this morning I did a urine and saliva

test to check for why I don't sleep good and she said for mood. They are

checking the following at NeuroScience: cortisol, epinephrine, norepinephrine,

serotonin, glcine, GABA, Glutamate, PEA, histamine, creatinine. Has anyone

ever had this done?

> Could my coming down off of so much HC be the cdause of high temps and joint &

muscle pain? I was on 40mg, and now down to 25mg in a months time. Of course I

had terribly high BP, that is why she dropped me from 35mg to 30mg so quickly,

then 2.5mg a week after that. But I stopped at 25mg cause BP was much better

and then I noticed that my standing BP was going down in the mornings quite

often, but back up in the afternoon.

> > n something is wrong here. I feel we are missing something. Your

> > thyroid labs in their ranges look fairly good maybe could be a tad

> > higher, bu wiht your temps that high, I ma leaning towards aldosterone

> > issues. Also have yo had sex hormones tested recently?

> >

> > --

> > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> >

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> >

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

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